Only when they decide to play it out. These 2 have been trying to kill each other with some early game all-in and cheese before, and they were not very good to watch.
@@tigera6 On the contrary - their early finishing games were *great* to watch. Both of them played information games, and feints within feints. Both fear the other's late game.
Did you fail to notice that without that spell Zerg cannot actually break through Terran? Funny you think Infestors are OP when Terran has ghosts which counter everything Zerg. Instead of complaining, why don't you praise both players who are masters of their race.
@@Jecht1221 its not the spell, its the burrow movement thats the OP one. To be fair, Ghost also has cloaking although their EMP doesnt do direct splash damage. Imagine if you give High Templar the ability of DT, like blink or cloaking, and you will see how fucking insane it will be. Even if you halve the storm damage to make up for that, it would still be a huge buff for Protoss. They will sneak in and storm on army/worker all day long while sitting at home on battery.
@@tigera6 burrow needs to use energy (or some sort of timer) since it's basically a quasi cloak available to multiple zerg units. Also need to reduce vision while underground. Neither of these will make much of a difference to someone like Serral though. He will just need to time his infestors a little more (can't just leave them sitting behind enemy lines all the time). End result is it might reduce likihood of suprise fungals by a small %. Not dramatically, but a small enough % so fungal is slightly less powerful. Either that or just remove how fungal slows the army down. Fungel is basically like the OP version of storm when you think about it. Makes storm look like bronze league.
@@Jez4prez1 Fungal damage isnt that high, so its usage is mainly the slow-down effect and not letting the enemy units to be loaded into Medivac. Storm does more damage, has the same range and is an instant spell, their weakness is the templar, which are very hard to hide in lategame, unless you load them into the Prism.
The first map has an absolutely safe four bases for Terran. If you are dealing with any other Zerg than Serral, then Maru just turtles and then wins. Serral is the Fourth Race.
@@ianwhitchurch864 And you acting like ANY Terran can just turtle and win on 4 base or something. Go watch how other Terran has done on that map against top Zerg in general.
If you let Serral run his Lings into your main base like that in game 2, then it would have been a "GG" for you already. Needless to mention Serral was on 8K mineral and 5K gas at that point. Things are different when Maru is in control.
the added safety is not worth their cost over the game. they get picked off easily cause they are slow and air units, they require more starports with reactors, they have to be babysitted which makes the army harder to control, and they cost supply. using scans and missile turrets only costs minerals, requires no babysitting, creates choke points and buffers for the army, gives you more mules, and allows for a higher army supply cause less scvs are needed. it clearly is the superior choice over all. if he was constantly replacing ravens, he would have lost earlier cause his army was smaller and he could not keep up with the trading. serral already traded evenly with less cost effective units, so loosing ravens would have made it much worse, and the scans and turrets worked out during the entire game except for the last fungal, which he could have prevented if he scanned one more time, or if there were just a few more or differently placed widow mines to intercept enough banelings. it worked well for him, he just slipped up eventually after getting them right for all game.
Its only worth it to make Raven when you go for BC-Mech composition, because you will use the starport to make more BC. Otherwise its a waste of production to just make 2 Raven, and then has to swap out for reactor.
@@ragnarragnarok-k4e thats what harstem just said other day too has no idea why they dont make a couple ravens. Saving two scans, not getting hit by baneline mines. And the jnfestors which are such a big threat later in the game can all be nullified. Zergs use multiple overseers why not terrains with a few ravens ?
@@tigera6 Are you mentally a little lacking? Where did I say anything that is even close to what you claim? It is a fact that Zerg has received the most nerfs in the last few years. I am not arguing if this is good or bad, I am just stating a fact. If you try to deny this simple fact you are just braindead.
It's hard to comment on who got buffed more. In the TvZ or PvZ matches, if you dominated the Zerg in the early game, then eventually you win the match. If you let the Zerg comfortably enter the mid-late game, then high probability that you will lose. When Zerg gets to their infamous "iron bank" at this stage, it is almost impossible to defend against one thousand Banelings rolling (Shift + A) into your bases. However, if you manage to drag them to the late game and successfully wave off the Swarm, then eventually, Zerg runs out of gas, and you may get your chance. But that "If" is when you are Maru or someone of that caliber though. Protoss, on the other hand, does not have the mechanism to survive against Zerg in late game because the Nexuses are easily broken with almost no "rescue" method facing Banes or cracked Lings (while Terran CC can lift up or be mass repaired or shoot them with splash damage as Planetary fortress and Terran tends to build many CCs as replacements for scans and mules)
Its also interesting how Queen that can Inject, heal, spread creep and defend with decent HP only has the same supply as a Helion and cost 1.5 times as much.
@@ianwhitchurch864 And you see Lib/Ghost boosting the economy of Terran? or can heal mech units? Obviously they do NOT have the same role, but the impact of Queen is far higher than Lib/Ghost. Ask every single player if they can choose to take a unit out of the other race, which one they would choose. I am damn sure Queen will be higher priority than Lib/Ghost.
Is this caster not aware of the video where the guy breaks down the win rates of all pros. Serral is the undisputed goat and its not even remotely close
The guy who did that video failed to mention the "Strength of competition" factor. If you swap Maru and Serral region, where Maru only had to play with Clem, who he still own the head to head, and Reynor who he still has a winning record against. And Serral gotta play with Rogue-Dark-Solar in ZvZ at every single GSL, and see how their win rate will be impacted. Serral probably has better winrate in international competition over Maru as well, but its not as lopsided if you take away the regional competition factor.
these 2 giants going at it are my favorite matches in all of sc2. Love watching both of them.
Great casting, Steadfast!
amazing games. It seems that in the first game Corruptor cleared out the liberators well
You are such a serral fan boy :D
Your casting is amazing, thanks for the wonderful work supporting SC2!
Lol..serral always hide at base.he never start time attack at all...he have no skill...only wait players attack so he get benefit.
I miss these kinds of games where both players invest in sky units. The determinant of the victories were based on sky superiority
Well.. AND superior positioning
maru’s planetary micro at 43:20 is pretty sick
22:16 nice supply for Maru btw
Burrowed units have way to much vision
yeah, Infestor burrow has slightly less vision than Observer and both requires scan to get clean up.
yeah, how can a unit underground see above ground with high vision. Boy, I really hope someone got fired for that blunder.
GG WP between the two biggest titans of SC2!
amazing video
Good video!
Well I missed it this morning, might as well pick it up here!
The final emp on the 3 vipers was sick
Maru vs Serral, on any maps, in any circumstances, are the best SC2 you are going to see.
Only when they decide to play it out. These 2 have been trying to kill each other with some early game all-in and cheese before, and they were not very good to watch.
@@tigera6 On the contrary - their early finishing games were *great* to watch. Both of them played information games, and feints within feints. Both fear the other's late game.
@@ianwhitchurch864 Those were not very good imo but I can see why you like them.
Infesters are still too powerful land one spell and you run over the terran
Did you fail to notice that without that spell Zerg cannot actually break through Terran? Funny you think Infestors are OP when Terran has ghosts which counter everything Zerg. Instead of complaining, why don't you praise both players who are masters of their race.
@Jecht1221 They do not counter everything Zerg, especially not now.
@@Jecht1221 its not the spell, its the burrow movement thats the OP one. To be fair, Ghost also has cloaking although their EMP doesnt do direct splash damage. Imagine if you give High Templar the ability of DT, like blink or cloaking, and you will see how fucking insane it will be. Even if you halve the storm damage to make up for that, it would still be a huge buff for Protoss. They will sneak in and storm on army/worker all day long while sitting at home on battery.
@@tigera6 burrow needs to use energy (or some sort of timer) since it's basically a quasi cloak available to multiple zerg units. Also need to reduce vision while underground. Neither of these will make much of a difference to someone like Serral though. He will just need to time his infestors a little more (can't just leave them sitting behind enemy lines all the time). End result is it might reduce likihood of suprise fungals by a small %. Not dramatically, but a small enough % so fungal is slightly less powerful. Either that or just remove how fungal slows the army down. Fungel is basically like the OP version of storm when you think about it. Makes storm look like bronze league.
@@Jez4prez1 Fungal damage isnt that high, so its usage is mainly the slow-down effect and not letting the enemy units to be loaded into Medivac. Storm does more damage, has the same range and is an instant spell, their weakness is the templar, which are very hard to hide in lategame, unless you load them into the Prism.
1st map is very zerg like, the second was more balanced, both was really sick games
The first map has an absolutely safe four bases for Terran. If you are dealing with any other Zerg than Serral, then Maru just turtles and then wins.
Serral is the Fourth Race.
@@ianwhitchurch864 And you acting like ANY Terran can just turtle and win on 4 base or something. Go watch how other Terran has done on that map against top Zerg in general.
@ianwhitchurch864 meh the fourth race is a term of art given only to maru. Don't gaslight
@@ianwhitchurch864 Serral is no "fourth race". Serral plays Zerg.
The chinese ghost death sounds are pretty amazing
Fungal is fucking broken with mobile burrowed infestors.
yeah, its like Templar with Storm but can also be invisible like DT.
does the widowmine fire automaticly on changelings?
If they haven't changed yet, yeah
Serral is serious when the other is Terran.
If you let Serral run his Lings into your main base like that in game 2, then it would have been a "GG" for you already. Needless to mention Serral was on 8K mineral and 5K gas at that point. Things are different when Maru is in control.
How hard to make 1-2 raven to stop his infestor play and save scans. They never do it.
It is also a problem to have the Ravens in the right places.
the added safety is not worth their cost over the game. they get picked off easily cause they are slow and air units, they require more starports with reactors, they have to be babysitted which makes the army harder to control, and they cost supply. using scans and missile turrets only costs minerals, requires no babysitting, creates choke points and buffers for the army, gives you more mules, and allows for a higher army supply cause less scvs are needed. it clearly is the superior choice over all. if he was constantly replacing ravens, he would have lost earlier cause his army was smaller and he could not keep up with the trading. serral already traded evenly with less cost effective units, so loosing ravens would have made it much worse, and the scans and turrets worked out during the entire game except for the last fungal, which he could have prevented if he scanned one more time, or if there were just a few more or differently placed widow mines to intercept enough banelings. it worked well for him, he just slipped up eventually after getting them right for all game.
Its only worth it to make Raven when you go for BC-Mech composition, because you will use the starport to make more BC. Otherwise its a waste of production to just make 2 Raven, and then has to swap out for reactor.
i guess ur a miCrO gOd
@@ragnarragnarok-k4e thats what harstem just said other day too has no idea why they dont make a couple ravens. Saving two scans, not getting hit by baneline mines. And the jnfestors which are such a big threat later in the game can all be nullified. Zergs use multiple overseers why not terrains with a few ravens ?
Need to nerf infestor or fungal soon. Terran late game is hopeless vs Zerg with these fungal plays.
Terran keeps getting buffed but serral gets better than his competition
LoL 😂 Terran has been Nerfed three times now, are you living in 2019?
@@real_MacrocosM Terran has been buffed compared to Zerg.
Because Zerg nerfs have been way stronger than Terran nerfs.
@@wedgeantilles8575 When Zerg win its because their players are better, but when Terran win its because they are buffed, nice logic.
@@tigera6 Are you mentally a little lacking?
Where did I say anything that is even close to what you claim?
It is a fact that Zerg has received the most nerfs in the last few years. I am not arguing if this is good or bad, I am just stating a fact.
If you try to deny this simple fact you are just braindead.
It's hard to comment on who got buffed more. In the TvZ or PvZ matches, if you dominated the Zerg in the early game, then eventually you win the match. If you let the Zerg comfortably enter the mid-late game, then high probability that you will lose. When Zerg gets to their infamous "iron bank" at this stage, it is almost impossible to defend against one thousand Banelings rolling (Shift + A) into your bases. However, if you manage to drag them to the late game and successfully wave off the Swarm, then eventually, Zerg runs out of gas, and you may get your chance. But that "If" is when you are Maru or someone of that caliber though. Protoss, on the other hand, does not have the mechanism to survive against Zerg in late game because the Nexuses are easily broken with almost no "rescue" method facing Banes or cracked Lings (while Terran CC can lift up or be mass repaired or shoot them with splash damage as Planetary fortress and Terran tends to build many CCs as replacements for scans and mules)
Wonder what Jona thinks about falling asleep every night. Counting roaches perhaps.
It's interesting how Liberators are less supply than Disruptors, and Ghosts are less supply than Ravagers.
Its also interesting how Queen that can Inject, heal, spread creep and defend with decent HP only has the same supply as a Helion and cost 1.5 times as much.
@@tigera6 How often do you see a Queen wander across the map and roast a mineral line ? And when it does, do you see this patched ?
@@ianwhitchurch864 And you see Lib/Ghost boosting the economy of Terran? or can heal mech units? Obviously they do NOT have the same role, but the impact of Queen is far higher than Lib/Ghost. Ask every single player if they can choose to take a unit out of the other race, which one they would choose. I am damn sure Queen will be higher priority than Lib/Ghost.
i think TY would do better than maru vs serral ,
Music way too loud
看了很多比赛，每次打虫族中后期被感染虫各种秀，就没一个人族出个渡鸦跟在后面，哪怕出了很多解放者和幽灵，是太信赖自己的雷达吗？多次见到防空没做完就被人家感染抓住一波了。
I'm so conflicted watching this. I like Serral and i like terran.....
decided, i was more sad for Serral
Is this caster not aware of the video where the guy breaks down the win rates of all pros. Serral is the undisputed goat and its not even remotely close
The guy who did that video failed to mention the "Strength of competition" factor. If you swap Maru and Serral region, where Maru only had to play with Clem, who he still own the head to head, and Reynor who he still has a winning record against. And Serral gotta play with Rogue-Dark-Solar in ZvZ at every single GSL, and see how their win rate will be impacted. Serral probably has better winrate in international competition over Maru as well, but its not as lopsided if you take away the regional competition factor.
Some say maru is the goat. Those people are clearly wrong.
this is why starcraft is not popular anymore,. the game is soo much unbalanced,.
They each won a game. How can you get more balanced than that?
More like because the game is so damn hard to be played at the high level.
Mary cant win a macro game period haha
game 2 wasnt a macro game? WTH are you talking about
@@tigera6 yeah
@@kinh0t yeah what? its a macro game and Maru won. How can you be so wrong?
@@tigera6 yeah im agreeing with you. Wtf