So this was sorta just a random video I did not expect to blow up, but I am going to do a video for each nation covering their Air, Tanks, and Boats so everyone can get a complete picture of how the Economy is
if you already do that add to the next video also multipliers how many kills are necessary to achieve to break even... it will make the situation more clear
Hell yeah! I even intentonally going back to Rank 1 China ground lineup just to play M8. Best vehicle in Rank 1! Used to skip it ASAP just to grind top-rank but since this debacle, not anymore. Low rank game is pretty fun once delved longer.
And remember while playing these vehicles you would need to pay for modifications while spading it. Add to that crew costs (and training costs which are necessary for high tier planes) and the game starts to disincentivize playing 90% of the vehicles in the game.
I 100% agree, you can see in the vid I have all the Props and a good portion of the Jets spaded, its honestly pretty brutal to grind through those later jets especially with stock loadouts. I am also 1 vehicle off spading all of Sweden
@@m0scl963 i reached tier 6 tanks on ussr and literally i changed to italy. I am a good player, a make many kills, but even winning SL on matches to cover up the expenses of repair you can feel that it is just not fair what you receive for the time you dedicate, between good and bad matches is very difficult to make profit, but the SL and RP needed to buy a new vehicle is A LOT. The contrary happens to me on air, i am mediocre. So the maximum i have reached on any tree is tier 4, as for me playing planes usually makes me stay with the same SL, is impossible for me to make profit of tier 4 air battles. And playimg only to pay my repair costs, knowing that later i will have to pay for the vehicle i have unlocked when i am not even winning SL per battle is very frustrating
I really hope changes come soon, I only covered Air RB as I am an Air RB main, but every tree in every game mode suffers from this issue. All players are in this boat together.
@@4C0-q7h that's why I rolled back over to arcade mode. I slogged thru ground rb til about 8.0-8.7 BR, then had to switch because the SL cost was so off balance, I would have to not die, or have a cheap vehicle, and wipe out platoons worth of vehicles. When it takes me destroying 5+ enemy vehicles just to break even on repairing one of my vehicles, it's bad. And it punishes you for having a full vehicle lineup, as opposed to one or two really good vehicles. The pay is "worse" in Arcade, but the cost to repair is a fair sight cheaper, and I lose nothing when the aircraft I use get shot down.
I have Tiger H1 and E in my setup. But the thing is - fully upgraded H1 costs 1-1.5k SL (don`t really remember), but the E version costs almost 5k SL. Wtf?!
My goal is to replace the 3 color style with the exact KDs required, but if that took 3 minutes per plane that would take me 53 hours to just to complete, plus filming and editing so it will take me a few days to a week but I will do my best to get it done in a reasonable amount of time
@@holom1838 I will do my best, I have a few theories on what the best plane to grind with in prem, but I am very intrested in good tech tree SL grinder planes. at the very least I will do a vid with full stats for USA, but will do my best to get them all calculated for everyone.
I am glad to see at least one content creator (even if you are a smaller one) who is actually going over the numbers, and not just screaming "gaijin bad, economy bad, review bomb them" like a child. The community as a whole needs more people like you.
I commend your spreadsheet and Classifications, and they are quite accurate, considering this is the first video I have seen that devotes to make a point. War Thunder's Economy is terrible is because there isn't enough people encouraged to buy Premium as it is not worth buying it as it's temporary & Ultimatum it wastes your money overall based on Skill or the size of your wallet. They have made a free to play game. Therefor, Their favoritism to remain a popular game. Must make changes to Matchmaking & Progression. A valid question. "Why play a video game, If the Players are not making any progression, it makes it not enjoyable or fun!."
If Gaijin wants people to be encouraged to buy premium, Find a more permanent solution than something Temporary. (Like permenant RP / SL / GE Boosts that you earn.)
I’ve been stuck on rank II for the past 2 months. I cannot get enough SL to buy the P51C. This video really opened my eyes on how the economy was actually effecting me, because I thought it was effecting the top tier planes. Absolutely insane.
Rank 6 Land vechicles are a struggle and ive been stuck on rank 5 / 6 for a while, not a serious grinder but its still alot of work to get any credits and sometimes keep my vehicles repaired
Things like this should be spread around. No wonder I'm continuously getting stuck on rank 4. It's a never ending cycle especially when getting constant full uptiers. Thanks man.
@@TobaColwyn Nice man so many people skip a lot of vehicles in tech trees because they want the big stuff, but I have found so many gems while playing every vehicle I unlock. My absolute favorite prop is the MB. 157 and I found it while grinding France for the Mirage. I ended up enjoying it way more than the thing I wanted to grind lol.
-Gaijin figures out good players are playing the J7e, ---> Now you need 3 kills in the J7e to make a profit. -Gaijin figures out players are using ground targets to GRIND in air rb, ---> Gaijin BUFFS a.i. air defenses in the "middle-of-the-map" to kill players simply grinding. (Absolutely no other reason for this!) -Soon Gaijin will see that GOOD players are moving towards the F5e and F-8e (non-premium planes) and Gaijin will make those planes unusable for SL. -Why does Gaijin attack the good things in their game that players find, NERF it, raise COST, PANIC and treat it like a bad thing??
I used to enjoy playing around with the G8N1 (the original WT Death Star), but stopped right around when bombers became unplayable. My favorite fighter was and still is the Ki-84 ko, but I stopped playing the game altogether a while back because of this exact reasoning... Without premium, you just can't turn a profit. I actually went into NEGATIVE SL at one point because I had a crap streak of my own errors in-game and teams that ended up losing a fair bit. A buddy of mine tried to help me out by telling me which vehicles could actually turn a profit, but it still didn't matter in the end because the higher the tier, the more likely you'd need to buy premium time to even turn a profit...
The biggest issue is that those green planes give so little sl at their br that it will take so many games to grind out sl that the only way is to buy sl or premium vehicles
More videos like this with every tree, maybe it reaches gaigin. If not at least we know what to play until the game is fixed without getting frustrated
I remember when they decided to bump the f3h demon into 9.7 from 9.3 in sim. It was fighting the MLD while still having a 25k repair cost. They killed that fun plane
I used to be a G.56 player because I loved the way it flew. Until my 11th death, when I was then charged a 36,000SL repair cost. They've since changed it to a "reasonable" repaircost which is still 3x more than you will make with a single kill.
With your explanation, I totally understand now about the fallout. I casually played WT for about 4-5 hrs a week, so I didn't really pay much attention to the economy, but dang, this mess is definitely a dumpster fire.
1. This video has to get more attention. 2. could you please add a list for germany and/or USSR too, thus we have a list for the three main nations. 3. Great work keep going this. Note. We have also to consider the average time spend in a match and the other additions like hits and crits which accumulate to the end result. It should be noted that again, the higher you get the less points you get (shorter matches, instant death due to missile kill). It is also interessting to look at the time spend in battle without getting any SL.
I am currently redoing this video for all USA so USA Air Tanks and Boats and with exact numbers, after that video is compiled, I will be making one for each of the 10 nations in order they are in game. it will take me some time as there are literally thousands of vehicles but please stay tuned :D
also since hits and crits are also very variable from plane to plane and battle to battle, I chose not to have them in the video and only cover the raw KD because that is the best consistent data I could use. missile kills usually only credit one crit, pilot snipes often don't give any hits or crits, so I decided to solely focus on kills
I'm a F2P player who got super lucky and got gifted a premium zero for Japan, which I used to grind all the way through the Japanese tree. I have reverted to using ONLY the F-16, EJ kai, and the premium zero due to repair costs. Those are some of the only aircraft I can make money in while enjoying it.
I started playing WT before tanks came out and never had a problem. I quit shortly after the Leopard got released. It's crazy how much things have changed.
I'd love to see you do a comparison on all of the faction's with this. I'm curious to see which faction gets shafted the hardest and in what category (Air/Heli/Tank/Navy). I have a sneaking suspicion some factions are catered to more than others. *Cough* *Cough* Germany *Cough Cough* Russia *Cough*
I remember these issues back in 2016. Certain vehicles that were overpowered were super expensive to repair; but most back then were profitable. I had no idea it has gotten this bad. I used to love this game...
There's a lot of traffic out there on this topic, but this is the first video I've seen that didn't turn into an extended rant intending to hit every (entirely valid) bullet point. congrats on hitting the foundation of the problem on which all the others are built, I'll be directing people to this. I'm plenty capable of ranting about Gaijin myself but cutting the fat will make for a stronger argument, and if we're lucky, actual results.
At worst, most of the tech tree should be yellow. I don't mind paying for premium time, the devs need food too, but at the very least, premium time should remove the need to play for WEEKS to collect the SL necessary for starting a new mid-tier line-up. And aside from the time investment, SL farming play is boring, repetitive and not helping the team. SL should accumulate just playing the game in an enjoyable way.
This needs WAY MORE VIEWS. Simple and to the point of why players are not happy with the economy. Edit. I did my own experiment witht eh F-86F2 A non premium player would need 5 kills and a premium player 4 kills to break even on repair costs. Now that isnt with any assists or anything else.
This video was amazing just for the vehicles you showed statistics on. I love it. Keep it on, make Gaijin fix it, and show me which vehicles I should play meanwhile with the statistics. Thank you
Thanks! I have all the information for USA compiled, just need to make the video, and I have all the Aircraft info for Germany and Russia. Just need to get the tank and ship info there. After the roadmap I might redo nations I have already done to get a comparison on how well Gaijin fixed the economy as well!
I remember being hardstuck for over 100 games with the F9F-2 panther when I first started playing jets. It took me that long just to get enough SL to buy the F9F-5, which I needed to buy to be able to get into rank 6, and since I was still fairly new, I didn't realize that if I had just played the sabres, even tho they had 50s instead of cannons, I would have had a much better experience in early jets. This is all with premium, mind you. It just became too much and I spent GE on converting research to get into rank 6 and get the F9F-8. After that I was home free to top tier, and not too far later, the A-10 came out, so I used that a ton, not even for grinding per say, but just for fun. The only 3 planes I have ever been able to make consistent SL gains with at "top" tier have been the F-8U2, the F-5C, and the F-5E. Also the A-10, but I don't count that. Grinding is super annoying and exactly that, a grind, and even though I'm an incredibly skilled pilot, averaging 4 kills a game in either F-5 model, it still takes me way too long to be able to research vehicles, and that's with a premium account and premium vehicles. The economy is busted, and the play time inflates artificially due to the feeling that you have to keep grinding or you'll never reach your goal.
There used to be a bomber meta in low tiers in RB if you spent a good weekend you could walk away with a solid 1m easy SL but when they nerfed it to the ground the SL isn't worth it nor the time drain either.
Yeah... check out the J7E and J8B. the J7E is my favorite jet, and the repair cost is 20k. WITH PREMIUM, I need 3-4 kills to repair it. without... there is no way to play it. just no way. Great showcase of the economy, really. You should do something like that for Swedish aircraft if you can, it's even worse there.
many years ago I got to rank 5 in soviet and american tech tree back when rank 5 was the max tech tree rank, then last year decided to come back to grind out tiers 6-8 and buying premium is the only possible way to grind this game without spending damn near your entire life playing if you're an average skill player. Sure the premium account RP bonuses are nice, but unless im flying a premium plane in top tier I will never break even on the average game when it comes to SL. This economy is so terrible its mind numbing
I was excited when i reached rank 4, only to be greeted by swarms of ju 288s and a 12k repair cost. If i got 2 kills, but died and lost the game, id lose money.....
it was some time ago but at one point my fav vehicle was ostwind... until i realised that it took 14kSL to repair it... at that point repair of top tier heavy was 7k and matched heavys was 2k... german SPAAGs above tier 1 had repair cost in arcade ridiculously high. Especially that they were open top and people would jump into planes just to crash and burn hopefully with you with only 1 air support points ... with no afterbattle costs for any plane that crashed... and whats funny is that above kugelblitz repair costs were cheaper than freaking wirbel. it was ridiculoius.
As F2P player I do notice you can grind better on certain vehicle, and I did this. Often when playing Germans I ended up in red or get a small gain, so I always grind SL on Japanese line (especially Chi-Ri 2) and on win I very often get above 20k
This is actually quite eye opening. I'd been playing some Tomcat and F-8E Crusader and getting 2 kills per game usually, but losing SL because I kept getting shot down and only about half the matches were wins. I'm losing SL with a positive KD in an over BR'd plane (the Crusader). Some vehicles are worth playing because they're seal clubbers and it is easy to do well in. Case and point being the F4U-1D, as long as you climb and energy fight, the only thing you realistically need to worry about is if a 190A1 got above you somehow or if you're facing 109F4s. The 190A1 is also one of those planes, energy fight and there is nothing they can do. Corsairs are scary, but MG/FFs can make quick work of them. Spitfires are not a real threat because you're so fast, even Spitfire Vbs aren't that scary. My current SL grinders are the Hurricane I/L FAA, the F4U-1D, the FAA Hellcat and the Spitfire F.XIV. The Hellcat isn't too bad, but it's heavy. The Hurricane is always fun. The Corsair is a seal clubber. The Spitfire I do well in because even in a full up, I'm not hopelessly outmatched like I would be in a Spitfire F.IX at 5.3 or a Spitfire Mk.IIa at 4.0. I used to really like the Sea Hawk FGA.6. I knew how to fly that plane well, I knew how to get the most out of it and I knew what aircraft I could take. 1 kill was not enough to pay for it if I died, 2 was just barely enough IIRC. But when you're against fighters that have only mildly better performance and you have the high ground, it's easy to get safe kills. Now it's at 8.0 and still costs 14.5k SL to repair, I haven't touched her because I cannot fight Sabres or MiG-15s in that thing. Even fighting La-15s is tough. La-200s are tough because of their ridiculous TWR. Against a Sabre, I can't take him in the 2 circle, 1 circle only works for a couple of turns, he can out run me easily, he can out accelerate me, I have to kill him on the first go and it is not fun. The economy is broken, but so is the BRs. Some planes are cheap to maintain but also seal clubbers, others are outmatched and expensive as hell.
As an American main that has gone from tier 1 to top tier... I had to play German ground to make up my deficit in SL and I even succeed into buying a USA skyraider to make it easier to grind through
the french ground tech tree is painful, probably the worst vehicle being the amx 13 which costs you OVER 8K OF REPAIR COST, meaning you need to get over 3-4 kills to make it work
An Ode to Warthunder In realms of gaming, Gaijin's name holds sway, Yet War Thunder's path, lost in disarray. Grinds and expenses, a tyrant's decree, Massacring joy, veiling the game's glee. Once promising skies, now obscured by greed, The balance disrupted, desires impede. Through endless toils, players tread the grind, Their spirits weary, hopes left behind. Oh, Gaijin, heed the pleas of those who care, Restore the thrill, let fairness be your snare. For in this battle, a game's true worth lies, A joyful journey beneath sunlit skies.
I’ve thought for a long time that i was an average or bellow average player for months now, but when i studied my games i saw i performed very well , usually 2 kills and one aircraft kill (i play tank rb and ab) . When i got down tier like t34 and Is2 (soviets) i stomp players with usually 5-7 kills and close to nukes almost every second game . It isnt a skill issue, it impossible to earn sl in a good profitable way with no premium or boosters. The T 44 100 is an amazing vehicle and i believe the price to repair should be that high, but for high risk there should be high reward, not high risk and reward. Getting 2 kills i cant break profit and at br 7.0 getting 2 kills is average. The tank went from 7.6k silver lions for repair to 6.8 k per repair, which is a good step in the right direction, but for me to break profit i need a minimum of 2 kills and a zone capture. The worse part of all this is i dont get many games where their are 3 cap zones, and if i do its the open terrain maps where i can get sniped for trying to get the objective.
It’s finally happening!! I have over 1000hrs in game and about 3 years ago I just quit grinding and since then only play the vehicles I had unlocked for fun. All I have is up to 9.0 Britain after like 3 years of solid grind and that was before it got bad like now, I’ve been waiting for this revolt for so long so I can actually play again
what I think you should've included in your calculation is how many kills per vehicule is needed to have a positive income (or at least a neutral) Because not all red are equal, some needs 2 kills, other are not affordable even with 6
This whole war thunder economy is like a industry making car engines wants to change the pieces in the engine to preform better but instead the engines break down as often as a ww1 tank
I have 7k hours, roughly 4/5 tech trees in air and ground. France, Sweden, US, Russia, Germany, and kinda Italy? This game is hell, and tbh, we all play it cause of how much we've invested in it
I did indeed leave this game once I started realizing that the Snail balances their game by just straight up telling you what planes you can play once and which you can play as many times as you like.
After nearly 800 hours the fun of getting new vehicles stops at rank V, for german mains the only way to somehow stop the unbearable pain of grinding is buying a ju 288 and the do 335 when it’s on sale. Gaijin should keep the premium vehicles as optional shortcuts and not as the only thing keeping us from insanity
I can see just sort off where you are coming from. However. I have just under 2600hrs, I've found the economy fine. I will continue to play the game and so will my mates. Making money is relatively easy, in top tier it's easy to average 30-40k a game in profit and its the same with any BR really (obviously making 30k-ish in low ranks aircraft is a lot harder due to the multipliers). In ground RB its harder for me but that would be just due to less hours on ground then air. Please reply to this with your thoughts and why, I would love to her other peoples opinions.
i have 60 premium days left, if i won't see any positive economy changes in that time i don't see myself playing this game anymore, i'm just tired losing credits playing tanks that is my favorite
Damn, I can tell Toba is mad. I am too. Is it possible to see if my babies the Maus, Every Single Tiger I & 2, Sturer Emil, Jumbo, T1E1, M6A1, 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl, Chi-Ha LG, KV-2, SU-152, ISU-152, Spj fm/43-44, Leopard 1, Marder A-1, and Lvtdgb m/40, are still playable
The whole reason why I play war chungus is for the combat. The combat in warthunder has no match on console; on pc you have to pay over $20 for a game with equivalent combat or better. As much as I love the game anything past 6.7 ground is a net loss ( for initially purchasing the vehicles and repair ) unless you are using premium vehicles. One of my favorite vehicles in the game to the centauro l 120 but I had to spend roughly $35 so that I could afford to buy the thing and not have a massive loss that I would have had to recuperate. It’s very upsetting that the cooler vehicles in the game are behind a massive sl barrier. The rp I understand but the massive amount of sl it costs to purchase new vehicles is insane.
Same here. I play it because I "enjoy" it, but It's normal for me to buy premium account/vehicle, otherwise it would be impossible to enjoy a single match due to the low progression and high maintenance cost. Due to these reasons, I've never recommended this game... It's impossible not to say to them "hey, you will have to pay if you really want to have fun with it, although grinding through ground units will still have some suffering".
*Describing my War Thunder situation while pointing out how the Hangar game affects my experience:* I am lucky I am good enough to usually get my SL up (with Prem.) to a point at which it about pays any new researched vehicle. ( *Even reasonably skilled players have to rely on Premium time* ) No expert crew beyond like rank 3 tho, that would be insanity. ( *Ruinous SL sinks with ingame consequences* ) It also helped that I couldn't resist purchasing the Leo 2 A4 Prem. during sale, which is such a fundamentally solid MBT, you will have about as good a time as Russia lets you have. ( *BR compression and balance* ) That it just about costs 4,6K SL vs the Wiesel MK20 I like to use as a scout, which clocks in at about 7,9K SL. ( *Non-Premiums are uneconomical, and repair costs often don't reflect returns, especially if used in higher tiers (yet more period accurate)* ) I am also at Level 73 and have my first Ground Top Tier half researched, ignored most foldered vehicles and if not for squadron jets, have just cracked rank 4 in Aviation. ( *research progress takes insane amounts of time* ) Other nations? Well, I got a a T34 85 for Russia, which is about as far as I got. ( *pardon: Progression in A SUB TREE of A NATION TREE is insane. Progression across the whole game is lsh.fhslk.ajlhv.ah.avh.lhvn.hfbnvl.ajvl.alfvnlkfbnldnfblidnb.ldibvl.irj.ldirj.lir.lirsghls.glhilel* )
P-51D-30 is my favorite aircraft. The Mustangs are severely underrated and not a lot of people know how to use them. I use the aircraft in both Realistic and Arcade. as long as your above the enemy, it is stunningly powerful. IMO Mustangs (at least the D, K, and J22 variants) in realistic should be given the option to use air spawns with bombers but at the cost of fuel which makes a lot more sense since it implies the mustangs took off with the bombers already. While it might seem pretty powerful that the Mustang is literally given their altitude, that is essentially what made the Mustang so good in the war and its main sole purpose, which was it's ability to escort bombers and have amazing range which gives them plenty of more time to set up. The Mustang was made to always have the tactical advantage in sacrifice of some performance. The Mustang is amazing but was simply not built for the game modes gaijin made. This is why the P-51D requires way too much discipline than other aircraft, and already struggles a lot in dealing with aircraft that catch the mustang before it can even get a chance to play the game.
The P-51D-30 is one of my favorite P-51s in the game, but without prem time it requires a KD of 3.14 just to break even. that is not playable for the vast majority of players
Good video buddy. I think you're on to something. I'm definitely an average player (most folks who work full time jobs are) and the economy is definitely broken. The B-29 and the HE-177 are two of my favorite planes to play, yet i know I'm going to lose money just taking off on them. For the folks saying skill issue, I've seen ya'll wig out when you die in Air RB because even you can feel the sting of this broken economy from time to time.
Favourite vehicle of all time is the J-7E, currently sat with just over a 20,000 SL repair cost and 345% SL bonus at 11.0 with rear aspect only IR missiles. Perfect example of everything wrong with the game, downtier and nothing can touch you, uptier and you cant touch anything (with a brain...). Insane repair cost-reward ratio etc. There is no way the vehicle is good enough that the average player is getting a 2.0+ K/D in it, particularly with the matchmaker before the last bout of BR changes.
if you are talking about the Chinese Squad vehicle (the green one) those are not premium vehicles in Gaijin's eyes and without premium time you would need a KD of 2.8 to break even with a 100% win rate
all of the recent updates of this game have been purely focused on premium vehicles, the other features added are mostly just gimmicks that we will play with for a small amount of time then not play. i hope in the future gaijin will stick with their words and actually provide us with a fix for this mess they made
The german F-4F was real cheap, could bomb two bases and make a nice amount of money. Then gaijin topk notice and increased the repair cost so much that it will no longer work.
its funny how they raise repair prices of vechicles to planes that are doing very good like it will stop player with milions of sl to spend 16k of repair. From my perspective (7.3 ground RB) for leopard 1 i have to pay 8k for repair and i have to grind on 5.3 to play on 7.3 it sucks
I never really liked the gameplay at top tiers and so tended to stick around 7.0 as that is what I found the most fun (British and Swedish 7.3 in particular). But I had no idea how bad the economy was up at the top, and while I mostly play ground battles (so I'm not sure how similar the situation is) it's really scuffed that you can't just play for fun and still at the very least break even. If Gaijin wants players to grind at lower tiers fine, but to turn top tier into a money sink is just awful.
I love playing the F-4J and F-14A so much I bought talisman for them when they were 50% off last Christmas (So essentially buy one get one free). I can't imagine how bad their economy is without the talisman.
We could also remove the majority of in-hangar gameplay by reducing or removing the crew lock. I will go into a battle and my team will get UTTERLY DECIMATED within the first 5min of the game and I go out because I don't want to waste any more of my precious limited and difficult to acquire SL, and I have to wait 5min for my crew lock to end. But warthunder decides that the best option for the immediate right now is to just release 2 fairly difficult to acquire body pillows (unless you know how to get them).
@@jububoobaroo67 I'm also playing on germany and USSR, but it seems like no matter which one I go to, I'm 95% of the time on the losing team, so it doesn't really matter in the end.
And thats on kills, imagine just bombing bases if you get intercepted in a bomber or striker, or ground units, its absolutely ridiculous that an average player cant make profit and is still expected to pay for modifications, repairs, buying aircraft and training crew.
So this was sorta just a random video I did not expect to blow up, but I am going to do a video for each nation covering their Air, Tanks, and Boats so everyone can get a complete picture of how the Economy is
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How about americas ww2 mbt killer, the T34
@loltrexgaming771 that's not a plane I can't help ya Toba u know of this tank?
if you already do that add to the next video also multipliers how many kills are necessary to achieve to break even... it will make the situation more clear
@@BroDog555 oh aight then be cool if sombody made one for every vehicle in every techtree
Reject modernity, return to tier 1!
I plays often at tier iii the best to me
@@armiger18 won't disagree there, had some of my best experiences in the '34! And some of my worst.
If you have the French Premium promotion, sure - 3 guns including a 20mm and good energy retention.
tier 1 and 2 are simply the best. silly crappy tanks that go way too fast for no reason and there arent many bullet sponges
Hell yeah! I even intentonally going back to Rank 1 China ground lineup just to play M8. Best vehicle in Rank 1! Used to skip it ASAP just to grind top-rank but since this debacle, not anymore. Low rank game is pretty fun once delved longer.
And remember while playing these vehicles you would need to pay for modifications while spading it. Add to that crew costs (and training costs which are necessary for high tier planes) and the game starts to disincentivize playing 90% of the vehicles in the game.
I 100% agree, you can see in the vid I have all the Props and a good portion of the Jets spaded, its honestly pretty brutal to grind through those later jets especially with stock loadouts. I am also 1 vehicle off spading all of Sweden
@@TobaColwyn I'm at the f4c, the only plane I've wanted the whole time but I can't grind at 10.3 with no countermeasures and aim 9Bs
@@TobaColwyn thats why u get gud and make more than one kill lmao
@@plastiquemen5011 if all people get good you will still on average go 1 for 1
@@plastiquemen5011 even if you play your best, your peak, there are games where you won’t get a kill.
It's like a trap, once you get to tier 4 chances are you are kinda invested in the game and then the snail can start milking you.
I am on rank 6 ground vehicles without paying anything to the Snail... and its the worst experience Ive ever had in my life.
Sounds like a real marketing department strategy to me. Ahhh marketers, the worst people in the world, no matter when and where you read this...
@@m0scl963 i reached tier 6 tanks on ussr and literally i changed to italy. I am a good player, a make many kills, but even winning SL on matches to cover up the expenses of repair you can feel that it is just not fair what you receive for the time you dedicate, between good and bad matches is very difficult to make profit, but the SL and RP needed to buy a new vehicle is A LOT.
The contrary happens to me on air, i am mediocre. So the maximum i have reached on any tree is tier 4, as for me playing planes usually makes me stay with the same SL, is impossible for me to make profit of tier 4 air battles. And playimg only to pay my repair costs, knowing that later i will have to pay for the vehicle i have unlocked when i am not even winning SL per battle is very frustrating
same issue in ground RB as well. the costs get so high that top tier is not even worth trying for in F2P
I really hope changes come soon, I only covered Air RB as I am an Air RB main, but every tree in every game mode suffers from this issue. All players are in this boat together.
Its the reason for me sticking to Rank 1-3 in Ground RB, I lose more than what i can make at times.
@@4C0-q7h that's why I rolled back over to arcade mode. I slogged thru ground rb til about 8.0-8.7 BR, then had to switch because the SL cost was so off balance, I would have to not die, or have a cheap vehicle, and wipe out platoons worth of vehicles. When it takes me destroying 5+ enemy vehicles just to break even on repairing one of my vehicles, it's bad. And it punishes you for having a full vehicle lineup, as opposed to one or two really good vehicles. The pay is "worse" in Arcade, but the cost to repair is a fair sight cheaper, and I lose nothing when the aircraft I use get shot down.
I have Tiger H1 and E in my setup. But the thing is - fully upgraded H1 costs 1-1.5k SL (don`t really remember), but the E version costs almost 5k SL. Wtf?!
@@nozemi9074 IKR? Hell I don't even use the Tiger E now, I just use the (🐾) Tiger and the Tiger H1 if I want to use two tiger tanks.
we need this for all the other nations
My goal is to replace the 3 color style with the exact KDs required, but if that took 3 minutes per plane that would take me 53 hours to just to complete, plus filming and editing so it will take me a few days to a week but I will do my best to get it done in a reasonable amount of time
@@TobaColwyn you are a real champ if you are truly gonna do it! finding the best plane to grind is just W move from u legend
@@holom1838 I will do my best, I have a few theories on what the best plane to grind with in prem, but I am very intrested in good tech tree SL grinder planes. at the very least I will do a vid with full stats for USA, but will do my best to get them all calculated for everyone.
@@TobaColwyn my man
@@TobaColwyn You found the strategy. Now you can just keep going and we can hope you will become popular.
I am glad to see at least one content creator (even if you are a smaller one) who is actually going over the numbers, and not just screaming "gaijin bad, economy bad, review bomb them" like a child. The community as a whole needs more people like you.
Thank you, I really appreciate that
I commend your spreadsheet and Classifications, and they are quite accurate, considering this is the first video I have seen that devotes to make a point.
War Thunder's Economy is terrible is because there isn't enough people encouraged to buy Premium as it is not worth buying it as it's temporary & Ultimatum it wastes your money overall based on Skill or the size of your wallet. They have made a free to play game. Therefor, Their favoritism to remain a popular game. Must make changes to Matchmaking & Progression.
A valid question. "Why play a video game, If the Players are not making any progression, it makes it not enjoyable or fun!."
If Gaijin wants people to be encouraged to buy premium, Find a more permanent solution than something Temporary. (Like permenant RP / SL / GE Boosts that you earn.)
I’ve been stuck on rank II for the past 2 months. I cannot get enough SL to buy the P51C. This video really opened my eyes on how the economy was actually effecting me, because I thought it was effecting the top tier planes. Absolutely insane.
Tbh I hate it but naval battles you make money ONLY if you get kills which is hard
In air RB dont shy away from killing AI planes and some ground targets.
At lest in US tree F6F is my favorite workhorse.
Great video highlighting one if the biggest issues very succinctly.
Thank you very much!!
Rank 6 Land vechicles are a struggle and ive been stuck on rank 5 / 6 for a while, not a serious grinder but its still alot of work to get any credits and sometimes keep my vehicles repaired
I feel that, tanks are really rough to progress in
dropped brit's on 7.7 Why? cuz they're weak and repair cost is too high
This is honestly the best visualization of the problem I've seen, awesome video man!
Thanks!!
Things like this should be spread around. No wonder I'm continuously getting stuck on rank 4. It's a never ending cycle especially when getting constant full uptiers. Thanks man.
Absolutely wonderful way to graphically present the flaw of the SL and Premium system. Love it!
Great video, you should release a longer showcase for all nations. Subscribed
Its in the works and will include all vehicles not just air
mad respect for spading almost everything you play
I have also spaded all German props, and all except 1 for Sweden Air. It is a lot of grinding. I also Expert all my air crews so RIP SL
@@TobaColwyn Nice man so many people skip a lot of vehicles in tech trees because they want the big stuff, but I have found so many gems while playing every vehicle I unlock. My absolute favorite prop is the MB. 157 and I found it while grinding France for the Mirage. I ended up enjoying it way more than the thing I wanted to grind lol.
-Gaijin figures out good players are playing the J7e, ---> Now you need 3 kills in the J7e to make a profit.
-Gaijin figures out players are using ground targets to GRIND in air rb, ---> Gaijin BUFFS a.i. air defenses in the "middle-of-the-map" to kill players simply grinding. (Absolutely no other reason for this!)
-Soon Gaijin will see that GOOD players are moving towards the F5e and F-8e (non-premium planes) and Gaijin will make those planes unusable for SL.
-Why does Gaijin attack the good things in their game that players find, NERF it, raise COST, PANIC and treat it like a bad thing??
Some of the most fun I've had in Air RB was with the F-8E, such a fun plane they shouldn't touch.
because they're greedy corporate asshats that don't understand the concept of "game".
This is a really good overview. I've had an intuitive guess it was something like this but never had it so well analyzed.
Soon I will have a video for tanks boats and air for USA with exact KD numbers so stay tuned for that!!
@@TobaColwyn Well I may as well subscribe so I don't miss it
I used to enjoy playing around with the G8N1 (the original WT Death Star), but stopped right around when bombers became unplayable. My favorite fighter was and still is the Ki-84 ko, but I stopped playing the game altogether a while back because of this exact reasoning... Without premium, you just can't turn a profit. I actually went into NEGATIVE SL at one point because I had a crap streak of my own errors in-game and teams that ended up losing a fair bit. A buddy of mine tried to help me out by telling me which vehicles could actually turn a profit, but it still didn't matter in the end because the higher the tier, the more likely you'd need to buy premium time to even turn a profit...
The biggest issue is that those green planes give so little sl at their br that it will take so many games to grind out sl that the only way is to buy sl or premium vehicles
the community sucks too they call it a skill issue that im being outurned by a biplane because it was uptiered to 2.7
More videos like this with every tree, maybe it reaches gaigin. If not at least we know what to play until the game is fixed without getting frustrated
This is a clear way of showing how f**ked it is. Thank you
I remember when they decided to bump the f3h demon into 9.7 from 9.3 in sim. It was fighting the MLD while still having a 25k repair cost. They killed that fun plane
I used to be a G.56 player because I loved the way it flew. Until my 11th death, when I was then charged a 36,000SL repair cost. They've since changed it to a "reasonable" repaircost which is still 3x more than you will make with a single kill.
yeah imaging a new player grinding the techtree just to realise, you loos SL with half of the planes. Even with premium time...
And in tanks the pattern is the same, the game becomes unmanageable after rank IV
yeah I'm going through the data now and it sure looks that way. A video with that info will be out soon
With your explanation, I totally understand now about the fallout. I casually played WT for about 4-5 hrs a week, so I didn't really pay much attention to the economy, but dang, this mess is definitely a dumpster fire.
1. This video has to get more attention.
2. could you please add a list for germany and/or USSR too, thus we have a list for the three main nations.
3. Great work keep going this.
Note. We have also to consider the average time spend in a match and the other additions like hits and crits which accumulate to the end result. It should be noted that again, the higher you get the less points you get (shorter matches, instant death due to missile kill). It is also interessting to look at the time spend in battle without getting any SL.
I am currently redoing this video for all USA so USA Air Tanks and Boats and with exact numbers, after that video is compiled, I will be making one for each of the 10 nations in order they are in game. it will take me some time as there are literally thousands of vehicles but please stay tuned :D
also since hits and crits are also very variable from plane to plane and battle to battle, I chose not to have them in the video and only cover the raw KD because that is the best consistent data I could use. missile kills usually only credit one crit, pilot snipes often don't give any hits or crits, so I decided to solely focus on kills
When it comes to WT, my favs are the P-47 (any variants) and the Fw-190 (mainly A-5 and A-8), im slowly migrating into DCS tho...
I am an air rb player, and economy is terrible even with premium. Tried out ground and well... RIP those guys.
I’m 5500 Hours Air RB player. It is indeed rough. I do feel even more for sim players because it’s way worse for them
I'm a F2P player who got super lucky and got gifted a premium zero for Japan, which I used to grind all the way through the Japanese tree. I have reverted to using ONLY the F-16, EJ kai, and the premium zero due to repair costs. Those are some of the only aircraft I can make money in while enjoying it.
I started playing WT before tanks came out and never had a problem. I quit shortly after the Leopard got released. It's crazy how much things have changed.
I'd love to see you do a comparison on all of the faction's with this. I'm curious to see which faction gets shafted the hardest and in what category (Air/Heli/Tank/Navy).
I have a sneaking suspicion some factions are catered to more than others. *Cough* *Cough* Germany *Cough Cough* Russia *Cough*
All Parts of USA video is in the works with a Germany one after!!
I remember these issues back in 2016. Certain vehicles that were overpowered were super expensive to repair; but most back then were profitable. I had no idea it has gotten this bad. I used to love this game...
The Corsair at 5.7 is one of my favorite planes but 12000 repair cost is always a risk I take when I play it
There's a lot of traffic out there on this topic, but this is the first video I've seen that didn't turn into an extended rant intending to hit every (entirely valid) bullet point.
congrats on hitting the foundation of the problem on which all the others are built, I'll be directing people to this.
I'm plenty capable of ranting about Gaijin myself but cutting the fat will make for a stronger argument, and if we're lucky, actual results.
At worst, most of the tech tree should be yellow. I don't mind paying for premium time, the devs need food too, but at the very least, premium time should remove the need to play for WEEKS to collect the SL necessary for starting a new mid-tier line-up.
And aside from the time investment, SL farming play is boring, repetitive and not helping the team. SL should accumulate just playing the game in an enjoyable way.
The f4u-4b's repair cost is the only thing limiting me from getting past tier 4 american air.
This needs WAY MORE VIEWS. Simple and to the point of why players are not happy with the economy.
Edit. I did my own experiment witht eh F-86F2 A non premium player would need 5 kills and a premium player 4 kills to break even on repair costs. Now that isnt with any assists or anything else.
This video was amazing just for the vehicles you showed statistics on. I love it. Keep it on, make Gaijin fix it, and show me which vehicles I should play meanwhile with the statistics. Thank you
A video is in the works showing exact numbers as well as info for tanks and boats!!
@@TobaColwyn Seems like you will get another guy with notifications turned on. Seems great
You gained your 400th sub from me, you interested me with the ,,I will doall nations all vehicles". Looking forward to that.
Thanks! I have all the information for USA compiled, just need to make the video, and I have all the Aircraft info for Germany and Russia. Just need to get the tank and ship info there. After the roadmap I might redo nations I have already done to get a comparison on how well Gaijin fixed the economy as well!
I remember being hardstuck for over 100 games with the F9F-2 panther when I first started playing jets. It took me that long just to get enough SL to buy the F9F-5, which I needed to buy to be able to get into rank 6, and since I was still fairly new, I didn't realize that if I had just played the sabres, even tho they had 50s instead of cannons, I would have had a much better experience in early jets. This is all with premium, mind you. It just became too much and I spent GE on converting research to get into rank 6 and get the F9F-8. After that I was home free to top tier, and not too far later, the A-10 came out, so I used that a ton, not even for grinding per say, but just for fun. The only 3 planes I have ever been able to make consistent SL gains with at "top" tier have been the F-8U2, the F-5C, and the F-5E. Also the A-10, but I don't count that. Grinding is super annoying and exactly that, a grind, and even though I'm an incredibly skilled pilot, averaging 4 kills a game in either F-5 model, it still takes me way too long to be able to research vehicles, and that's with a premium account and premium vehicles. The economy is busted, and the play time inflates artificially due to the feeling that you have to keep grinding or you'll never reach your goal.
Now this is incredible data analysis skills put to work
Thanks!!
There used to be a bomber meta in low tiers in RB if you spent a good weekend you could walk away with a solid 1m easy SL but when they nerfed it to the ground the SL isn't worth it nor the time drain either.
Yeah... check out the J7E and J8B. the J7E is my favorite jet, and the repair cost is 20k. WITH PREMIUM, I need 3-4 kills to repair it. without... there is no way to play it. just no way.
Great showcase of the economy, really.
You should do something like that for Swedish aircraft if you can, it's even worse there.
many years ago I got to rank 5 in soviet and american tech tree back when rank 5 was the max tech tree rank, then last year decided to come back to grind out tiers 6-8 and buying premium is the only possible way to grind this game without spending damn near your entire life playing if you're an average skill player. Sure the premium account RP bonuses are nice, but unless im flying a premium plane in top tier I will never break even on the average game when it comes to SL. This economy is so terrible its mind numbing
I was excited when i reached rank 4, only to be greeted by swarms of ju 288s and a 12k repair cost.
If i got 2 kills, but died and lost the game, id lose money.....
it was some time ago but at one point my fav vehicle was ostwind... until i realised that it took 14kSL to repair it... at that point repair of top tier heavy was 7k and matched heavys was 2k...
german SPAAGs above tier 1 had repair cost in arcade ridiculously high. Especially that they were open top and people would jump into planes just to crash and burn hopefully with you with only 1 air support points ... with no afterbattle costs for any plane that crashed...
and whats funny is that above kugelblitz repair costs were cheaper than freaking wirbel. it was ridiculoius.
As F2P player I do notice you can grind better on certain vehicle, and I did this. Often when playing Germans I ended up in red or get a small gain, so I always grind SL on Japanese line (especially Chi-Ri 2) and on win I very often get above 20k
This is actually quite eye opening. I'd been playing some Tomcat and F-8E Crusader and getting 2 kills per game usually, but losing SL because I kept getting shot down and only about half the matches were wins. I'm losing SL with a positive KD in an over BR'd plane (the Crusader).
Some vehicles are worth playing because they're seal clubbers and it is easy to do well in. Case and point being the F4U-1D, as long as you climb and energy fight, the only thing you realistically need to worry about is if a 190A1 got above you somehow or if you're facing 109F4s.
The 190A1 is also one of those planes, energy fight and there is nothing they can do. Corsairs are scary, but MG/FFs can make quick work of them. Spitfires are not a real threat because you're so fast, even Spitfire Vbs aren't that scary.
My current SL grinders are the Hurricane I/L FAA, the F4U-1D, the FAA Hellcat and the Spitfire F.XIV. The Hellcat isn't too bad, but it's heavy. The Hurricane is always fun. The Corsair is a seal clubber. The Spitfire I do well in because even in a full up, I'm not hopelessly outmatched like I would be in a Spitfire F.IX at 5.3 or a Spitfire Mk.IIa at 4.0.
I used to really like the Sea Hawk FGA.6. I knew how to fly that plane well, I knew how to get the most out of it and I knew what aircraft I could take. 1 kill was not enough to pay for it if I died, 2 was just barely enough IIRC. But when you're against fighters that have only mildly better performance and you have the high ground, it's easy to get safe kills. Now it's at 8.0 and still costs 14.5k SL to repair, I haven't touched her because I cannot fight Sabres or MiG-15s in that thing. Even fighting La-15s is tough. La-200s are tough because of their ridiculous TWR. Against a Sabre, I can't take him in the 2 circle, 1 circle only works for a couple of turns, he can out run me easily, he can out accelerate me, I have to kill him on the first go and it is not fun.
The economy is broken, but so is the BRs. Some planes are cheap to maintain but also seal clubbers, others are outmatched and expensive as hell.
As an American main that has gone from tier 1 to top tier... I had to play German ground to make up my deficit in SL and I even succeed into buying a USA skyraider to make it easier to grind through
This is just insane. On average players get punished for playing. Imagine that. It is not progress you will be making on average.
Could we get a ground rb version?
it is in the works!!
the french ground tech tree is painful, probably the worst vehicle being the amx 13 which costs you OVER 8K OF REPAIR COST, meaning you need to get over 3-4 kills to make it work
An Ode to Warthunder
In realms of gaming, Gaijin's name holds sway,
Yet War Thunder's path, lost in disarray.
Grinds and expenses, a tyrant's decree,
Massacring joy, veiling the game's glee.
Once promising skies, now obscured by greed,
The balance disrupted, desires impede.
Through endless toils, players tread the grind,
Their spirits weary, hopes left behind.
Oh, Gaijin, heed the pleas of those who care,
Restore the thrill, let fairness be your snare.
For in this battle, a game's true worth lies,
A joyful journey beneath sunlit skies.
I’ve thought for a long time that i was an average or bellow average player for months now, but when i studied my games i saw i performed very well , usually 2 kills and one aircraft kill (i play tank rb and ab) .
When i got down tier like t34 and Is2 (soviets) i stomp players with usually 5-7 kills and close to nukes almost every second game .
It isnt a skill issue, it impossible to earn sl in a good profitable way with no premium or boosters.
The T 44 100 is an amazing vehicle and i believe the price to repair should be that high, but for high risk there should be high reward, not high risk and reward.
Getting 2 kills i cant break profit and at br 7.0 getting 2 kills is average.
The tank went from 7.6k silver lions for repair to 6.8 k per repair, which is a good step in the right direction, but for me to break profit i need a minimum of 2 kills and a zone capture.
The worse part of all this is i dont get many games where their are 3 cap zones, and if i do its the open terrain maps where i can get sniped for trying to get the objective.
It’s finally happening!! I have over 1000hrs in game and about 3 years ago I just quit grinding and since then only play the vehicles I had unlocked for fun. All I have is up to 9.0 Britain after like 3 years of solid grind and that was before it got bad like now, I’ve been waiting for this revolt for so long so I can actually play again
what I think you should've included in your calculation is how many kills per vehicule is needed to have a positive income (or at least a neutral)
Because not all red are equal, some needs 2 kills, other are not affordable even with 6
Hey, that's a wonderful idea and actually what Toba and I are currently working on. Can't wait to share the data once we get through all the vehicles!
Another thing to look at: the sl/rp requirements for vehicles at different tiers...
hint: low tier (
This whole war thunder economy is like a industry making car engines wants to change the pieces in the engine to preform better but instead the engines break down as often as a ww1 tank
my favorite vehicle is the "uninstalled in 2018" vehicle =)
I have 7k hours, roughly 4/5 tech trees in air and ground. France, Sweden, US, Russia, Germany, and kinda Italy?
This game is hell, and tbh, we all play it cause of how much we've invested in it
I did indeed leave this game once I started realizing that the Snail balances their game by just straight up telling you what planes you can play once and which you can play as many times as you like.
After nearly 800 hours the fun of getting new vehicles stops at rank V, for german mains the only way to somehow stop the unbearable pain of grinding is buying a ju 288 and the do 335 when it’s on sale. Gaijin should keep the premium vehicles as optional shortcuts and not as the only thing keeping us from insanity
I can see just sort off where you are coming from. However. I have just under 2600hrs, I've found the economy fine. I will continue to play the game and so will my mates. Making money is relatively easy, in top tier it's easy to average 30-40k a game in profit and its the same with any BR really (obviously making 30k-ish in low ranks aircraft is a lot harder due to the multipliers). In ground RB its harder for me but that would be just due to less hours on ground then air. Please reply to this with your thoughts and why, I would love to her other peoples opinions.
i have 60 premium days left, if i won't see any positive economy changes in that time i don't see myself playing this game anymore, i'm just tired losing credits playing tanks that is my favorite
This needs about 1 quadrillion views. I have preached this to the heavens for fucking years now.
Your voice feels unique, you could totally do vehicle reviews or something like that. I would watch it.
Thank you!! I have done a few vehicle reviews in the past but would love to continue doing more
Damn, I can tell Toba is mad. I am too. Is it possible to see if my babies the Maus, Every Single Tiger I & 2, Sturer Emil, Jumbo, T1E1, M6A1, 15cm sIG 33 B Sfl, Chi-Ha LG, KV-2, SU-152, ISU-152, Spj fm/43-44, Leopard 1, Marder A-1, and Lvtdgb m/40, are still playable
in order we are looking at a KD of 5.81, 1.1, 1.53, 2.1, 2.85, 1.02, 1.39, 1.41, 1.48, 0.78, 1.53, 1.09, 0.88, 1.4, 1.09, 2.85, 2.92, 1.01
The whole reason why I play war chungus is for the combat. The combat in warthunder has no match on console; on pc you have to pay over $20 for a game with equivalent combat or better. As much as I love the game anything past 6.7 ground is a net loss ( for initially purchasing the vehicles and repair ) unless you are using premium vehicles. One of my favorite vehicles in the game to the centauro l 120 but I had to spend roughly $35 so that I could afford to buy the thing and not have a massive loss that I would have had to recuperate. It’s very upsetting that the cooler vehicles in the game are behind a massive sl barrier. The rp I understand but the massive amount of sl it costs to purchase new vehicles is insane.
I think repair cost should be based on how much time you spent in the vehicle, and shouldn't be much even at max
I will forever miss the days of playing my favorite F-86, and not having to play it like a neckbeard in a trailer park scrounging for money if I die
the lions bonuses for tree vehicles need to be boosted at least 75% if not 100%.
F104Asa 21k repair cost before may 16th and then reduced to 19k
Same here. I play it because I "enjoy" it, but It's normal for me to buy premium account/vehicle, otherwise it would be impossible to enjoy a single match due to the low progression and high maintenance cost. Due to these reasons, I've never recommended this game... It's impossible not to say to them "hey, you will have to pay if you really want to have fun with it, although grinding through ground units will still have some suffering".
*Describing my War Thunder situation while pointing out how the Hangar game affects my experience:*
I am lucky I am good enough to usually get my SL up (with Prem.) to a point at which it about pays any new researched vehicle. ( *Even reasonably skilled players have to rely on Premium time* )
No expert crew beyond like rank 3 tho, that would be insanity. ( *Ruinous SL sinks with ingame consequences* ) It also helped that I couldn't resist purchasing the Leo 2 A4 Prem. during sale, which is such a fundamentally solid MBT, you will have about as good a time as Russia lets you have. ( *BR compression and balance* )
That it just about costs 4,6K SL vs the Wiesel MK20 I like to use as a scout, which clocks in at about 7,9K SL. ( *Non-Premiums are uneconomical, and repair costs often don't reflect returns, especially if used in higher tiers (yet more period accurate)* )
I am also at Level 73 and have my first Ground Top Tier half researched, ignored most foldered vehicles and if not for squadron jets, have just cracked rank 4 in Aviation. ( *research progress takes insane amounts of time* )
Other nations? Well, I got a a T34 85 for Russia, which is about as far as I got. ( *pardon: Progression in A SUB TREE of A NATION TREE is insane. Progression across the whole game is lsh.fhslk.ajlhv.ah.avh.lhvn.hfbnvl.ajvl.alfvnlkfbnldnfblidnb.ldibvl.irj.ldirj.lir.lirsghls.glhilel* )
P-51D-30 is my favorite aircraft. The Mustangs are severely underrated and not a lot of people know how to use them. I use the aircraft in both Realistic and Arcade. as long as your above the enemy, it is stunningly powerful.
IMO Mustangs (at least the D, K, and J22 variants) in realistic should be given the option to use air spawns with bombers but at the cost of fuel which makes a lot more sense since it implies the mustangs took off with the bombers already. While it might seem pretty powerful that the Mustang is literally given their altitude, that is essentially what made the Mustang so good in the war and its main sole purpose, which was it's ability to escort bombers and have amazing range which gives them plenty of more time to set up. The Mustang was made to always have the tactical advantage in sacrifice of some performance. The Mustang is amazing but was simply not built for the game modes gaijin made.
This is why the P-51D requires way too much discipline than other aircraft, and already struggles a lot in dealing with aircraft that catch the mustang before it can even get a chance to play the game.
The P-51D-30 is one of my favorite P-51s in the game, but without prem time it requires a KD of 3.14 just to break even. that is not playable for the vast majority of players
Good video buddy. I think you're on to something. I'm definitely an average player (most folks who work full time jobs are) and the economy is definitely broken. The B-29 and the HE-177 are two of my favorite planes to play, yet i know I'm going to lose money just taking off on them.
For the folks saying skill issue, I've seen ya'll wig out when you die in Air RB because even you can feel the sting of this broken economy from time to time.
This is a really good video
Favourite vehicle of all time is the J-7E, currently sat with just over a 20,000 SL repair cost and 345% SL bonus at 11.0 with rear aspect only IR missiles. Perfect example of everything wrong with the game, downtier and nothing can touch you, uptier and you cant touch anything (with a brain...). Insane repair cost-reward ratio etc. There is no way the vehicle is good enough that the average player is getting a 2.0+ K/D in it, particularly with the matchmaker before the last bout of BR changes.
My favourite is the good ol WZ-122-1 Chinese 8.3 tank (Obj. 122 TM) and yes … its a premium
if you are talking about the Chinese Squad vehicle (the green one) those are not premium vehicles in Gaijin's eyes and without premium time you would need a KD of 2.8 to break even with a 100% win rate
Not a premium lol
@@null643 oh sorry. honestly, thought it was
Wow great visualization and i would love to see a more in depth version with different nations and different vehicles
all of the recent updates of this game have been purely focused on premium vehicles, the other features added are mostly just gimmicks that we will play with for a small amount of time then not play. i hope in the future gaijin will stick with their words and actually provide us with a fix for this mess they made
The german F-4F was real cheap, could bomb two bases and make a nice amount of money.
Then gaijin topk notice and increased the repair cost so much that it will no longer work.
its funny how they raise repair prices of vechicles to planes that are doing very good like it will stop player with milions of sl to spend 16k of repair. From my perspective (7.3 ground RB) for leopard 1 i have to pay 8k for repair and i have to grind on 5.3 to play on 7.3 it sucks
i go back to tier 1 and 2 just to fund losing games for my tier 4 planes because alot of times I climb and just die in game
I never really liked the gameplay at top tiers and so tended to stick around 7.0 as that is what I found the most fun (British and Swedish 7.3 in particular). But I had no idea how bad the economy was up at the top, and while I mostly play ground battles (so I'm not sure how similar the situation is) it's really scuffed that you can't just play for fun and still at the very least break even. If Gaijin wants players to grind at lower tiers fine, but to turn top tier into a money sink is just awful.
Love to get -200 sl when I get 2 kills and have premium account (German bmp1)
yep, math checks out because with a 100% winrate and premium time, you need a KD of 2.03
I love playing the F-4J and F-14A so much I bought talisman for them when they were 50% off last Christmas (So essentially buy one get one free). I can't imagine how bad their economy is without the talisman.
We could also remove the majority of in-hangar gameplay by reducing or removing the crew lock. I will go into a battle and my team will get UTTERLY DECIMATED within the first 5min of the game and I go out because I don't want to waste any more of my precious limited and difficult to acquire SL, and I have to wait 5min for my crew lock to end.
But warthunder decides that the best option for the immediate right now is to just release 2 fairly difficult to acquire body pillows (unless you know how to get them).
Play 3 trees it means you can bail on terribad loser teams early
@@jububoobaroo67 I'm also playing on germany and USSR, but it seems like no matter which one I go to, I'm 95% of the time on the losing team, so it doesn't really matter in the end.
Loved the video! I’d love to see more wt content from this channel 🤘
It sucks that if you want to grind a techtree in a resealable amount of time your forced to buy a $60 premium.
3,390 hours here. Probably a couple grand put into the game. I’m done playing until they fix the SL issue. I just can’t take it anymore.
I wanted to play cool cold war tanks like the m103 and t54, but I couldn't get past the rank 2 grind.
I love the idea that “In the Hanger” is the same kind of boring slog that makes Civilization such bad game to me.
And thats on kills, imagine just bombing bases if you get intercepted in a bomber or striker, or ground units, its absolutely ridiculous that an average player cant make profit and is still expected to pay for modifications, repairs, buying aircraft and training crew.
So I'm a little late to the party, but my three favorite aircraft to fly are the P-40F, B-34, and the A-20 Havoc
Excellent vidéo. Would be excellent to see you do tanks!
That is in the works!!
Kill rewards should be the repair cost of the destroyed vehicle.
I have gone back to start ground nations I never started due to all of this. Somehow almost having a modicum of fun now
Question is how many red lines do you have to have to research naval?