Remember, the fight Ming's inner child is talking about was her mother saying she couldn't see Jin. All this fear of not being enough means Jin was likely the first person in Ming's whole life who wanted the real her.
All in all it just proves hpw much they loved each other. Ming fought her mother for jin. Jin saw mings panda and still stayed with her. That's true love
At 1:00 I've noticed that mei's lips trembling while talking to her young mom, holding back her own tears to just comfort her mother. I never noticed that till now.
I love it when they are walking through the forest and Ming slowly grows up. It symbolizes her growing up from her childhood trauma and moving forward. 😢 ❤
In my opinion this was one of the most powerful parts of the movie. Ming Lee was always taking Meilin by the hand and showing her the way, but in this scene we see Meilin take Ming’s hand and we even watch Ming grow up and her daughter shows her the way.
At least Ming met her husband the only good thing in her life during the time where she felt like she’s never good enough for anyone. But Jin (I think that’s his name) accept her flaws and all. I kinda want to see how they met. I want to see Ming fight for her husband since falling in love with him was probably the best decision because it was her choice and she ended up having a great daughter who flawed but perfect in her own skin
@@jaylenhioe2868 I don't even think Ming wanted to be such a helicopter parent, but that's how her mother treated her so she felt pressure to act the same with her child. Yeah it was wrong of her, but you can't fully blame her either. She had a bad relationship with her mother after she hurted her, but still wanted her to be proud. Then when Ming met her husband, even then her mother did not approve of him. The husband Jin was the only stable caring person in her life. It's sad really.
@@Lapel158 Well...it's implied that because her Red Panda is bigger than any of the Red Pandas, she caused the scar on Wu's eye. Just like how Mei hit Ming in the face, Ming hit Wu in the face. However, instead of opening Wu's eyes to how she treated Ming, she just became scared of Ming's form and stopped interfering with Ming and Jin's relationship, which explains her "bad experience" with the Red Panda form. That's why Ming fully gave into being what her mother demanded her to be. It took a repeat of the same circumstances mirrored in Ming and Mei for Wu to realize she was the cause of *everything* not Ming or Mei or even the Red Panda. Remember Aubela's part in "All of You"? It was the exact same thing for Wu, holding on too tight because she was afraid of losing someone important to her. In Wu and Ming's case it was simply: my child is growing up.
When she says "I'm sick of being perfect" Its like what Isabela said in Encanto "I've been stuck being perfect my whole life" And when Mei's mom says "lm never gonna be good enough for her" its also like what Mirabel said to Abuela, "I'll never be good enough for you, will I?"
I really like the detail that when Ming grows up her clothing colour palette slowly changes to incorporate more green. Like the jade accessories that lock the panda away. So this could symbolize how she grew to resent her panda, and as such her younger and more rebellious side, over the years.
This scene really spoke to me. I am a victim of psychological abuse by my religious fanatical uncle. He preyed upon my fears and seemed to delight in punishing me. He made me like I would never be good enough, and I still feel that way a lot of the time. Scenes like this, along with the love I get from my family, friends, and God, make me realize that I am good enough, and as painful as my pain can be, I know I will be okay.
No. No one did anything. I couldn't go to anyone. I was only a kid. I couldn't go to my parents. My dad left us and my mom spend almost 2 years trying to get my sisters and me under her care.
@@tumsfestival8027 eh i kinda doubt that.. she's still wearing a school uniform so maybe she was like a senior in highschool, there or maybe barely starting college
@@scarletweb2106 Chicken Little: You've been ashamed ever since the acorn thing happened and we have to talk because Modern Mallard says avoiding closure can Iead to molting. I'm already small and on top of that, *I DON’T THINK I COULD HANDLE BEING BALD!!!!*
This scene always makes me cry, as we get to know the deepest fears from a mother translated to another but rewrited as pain. I like the idea of the daughter opening the way to her mother, so she can just break that heritage. Sometimes we, as women, don't get to know each other as we should. The message of healing that is strong in here.
I’m going to be honest: I really didn’t think this movie was gonna work based on the trailer and the first 20 minutes….. but my god, the rest of the film is BEAUTIFUL!!!! The message, the characters, the comedy, this is TRUE Pixar. Who knew that a movie about a girl turning into a panda could be THIS deep and good???? This scene in particular is Oscar worthy! 🤩🤩🤩
It's crazy how isolated you can feel as a teenager and that your parents for some reason just can't relate. I feel like all that teenage angst can sometimes blind you from empathizing and seeing that they've been through these issues too. Watching this as an adult and a parent to a young teenager myself now, just hits so much harder. I never was outwardly loud or talked back to my parents, but when I was a teen and my parents tried to relate to my troubles, at the time I always took it with a grain of salt back then. Like they couldn't comprehend what was happening to me. I was a fool to think that their concern wasn't based in genuine empathy back then. My teenage son and I watched this and man, I'm fortunate enough to be able to have these dialogues with him about teenage troubles and he fortunately understands and takes them more seriously than I did. It's hard to imagine and put our parents in our shoes once, but kudos for this movie to do that. I'm not necessarily saying Ming Lee being a helicopter parent is justified, but sometimes these deep-rooted family traditions can really mess up generations. Times change, and people need to as well. What worked back then, might not work today and I try to remember that in my role as a newer parent now.
Not to mention that the reason why Ming was isolated was because her mother didn’t even allow her to have friends so she would stay with her family for duties and chores. At least Ming let Mei have friends even if she thinks they are bad for her.
Whoever the voice actress is for the younger Ming honestly did a fantastic job - especially if it's still Sandra Oh. The angry strain on her vocal cords with the heartbroken crack, "I'm never going to be good enough for her! ... Or anyone..."
This movie hit home for me, I relate almost every single bit of this movie. The generational trauma, the friends, the favorite band, THE MOMMY ISSUES. Ming reminds me a lot of my mom and Mei is a lot like me when I was young and even now, I hope my mom would get to a point of where Ming realized how she made Mei so hard on herself. This movie will always hold a special place in my heart. I also made my mom watch this movie and she really saw a lot of Mei in me and even questioned to my dad behind my back if she was really overprotective and overwhelming towards me. I love how this movie didn't make Ming the bad or good guy, she was a mother who absolutely loved her daughter but was unaware of her mistakes. The film was very relatable with the mom-daughter relationship and how loving and toxic it could be and it made me realize how much my mom cares for me. I absolutely sobbed at this scene and how beautiful this film is. Pixar is really doing so good rn. 🫶🙌‼️
Sometimes I wish I could connect with my mom in this way, just for a glimmer of understanding. I know she's part of a cycle, but that cycle ends with me.
My mom went through horrible things in her teenage years, and she was judged and pushed away by everyone. She had no one to protect her. This scene broke me into tears because of how much I would give to have been able to hug her in that moment when she was young and afraid, lonely, at her lowest, and with no hope. What I would give to comfort her and love her when no one else would.
Deep down Ming did want the best for mei but ended up making feel the same way when she was growing up from the same trauma but mei finally had the courage to stand up to her mom to tell her how she felt so Ming needs to understand that she can't control mei and her life that's up to mei to decide for herself but I'm glad those made up and are making changes to be normal and happy 😁
So many struggling parents are hurt children who are just doing their best. Are all of them good? No. Some were hurt too much to know how to be good. But many still want to try. You do not have to forgive them for hurting you, but you need not carry the torch once you've realized it. If you wish, urge them to get help to be better. You are loved. You deserve love. Seek help and be the best version of you for yourself and for those you care for.
Growing up with an Asian mom really related to me this movie. Me and my cousins watched this and we were tearing up bc of how well they portrayed living up to standards for ur parents
Turning Red had so many wonderful moments, but this whole scene is the most Powerful in the movie. I actually cried the first time I saw it. Ming had always been leading Meilin, but now it was Meilin leading her mother. Watching Ming grown as they walk also symbolizes how much times have changed.
Hmm, like Basil from OMORI…he relived his past, and suffered more than his friend (and main character) Sunny. If you’ve played the game, you’ll understand.
Exactly. So for her ungrateful and outrageously diabolical behavior, Ming Lee is punished justly and fairly by the gods of Mt. Crayonlympus because they were mad at her for insulting Mei's drawings, accusing Devon of taking advantage of her which he didn't, disapproving Mei's red panda transforming superpower, hating her friends by making her friendship fall apart and ruining the 4*Town concert.
@@rachelklueck9264 Don't forget, mentioning Pads in front of Mei Mei's school. On the drawing and Devon situation, Ming could've just had a conversation with Mei Mei instead of making a scene.
We are all a product of our parents. Generational trauma will always pass on, you have to be the one to break the cycle. Love movies and series with this message.
What makes this scene hard to watch (for me at least) is remembering that Wu very likely also had the “I’m so sick of being perfect! I’m never going to be good enough for [her mom]!” moment as a young teenager, as did her mom before her and her mom before her and it’s possible that even Sun Yee herself had that moment as well 😢
When I first watched this movie, I was not prepared for the levels this would hit me. Except my grandmother isn't as nice as hers. My mom and I know this feeling and this movie beautifully illustrated how trauma can take its toll over MANY generations
I Know How Mei & Ming Feels, Being Perfect Is Not Always Easy & Controling Your Own Kids To Become Like Them It's NOT The Right Thing To Be As A 👪, There's No In The Whole Wide World As Perfect That's Just Who We Are As Special In Our Own Way, Like I Don't Need To Be As A Perfect Daughter Or A Perfect Woman, I'm Perfect Just The Way I Am, Not Mom Or My BS (Big Sister), Just ME 🌸🌹❤️🌸🌹❤️
Honestly in life when your parents are disappointed in some of the things you've done sometimes you feel like this. Thinking like if my own parents my own family doesn't like who i am then im not gonna be good enough. That's why we try so hard in life to please them so they can be happy with us. But people aren't perfect my own parents have their flaws and i have mine it doesn't make us different it means we have more in common
The fact that Meilin is genuinely confused when she asks, "Who?" She could have easily assumed Ming was referring to her. But thats not how she thinks of her mom. She doesnt feel hurt by her mom, she doesnt see her mom as a hurtful person. The only pain is a natural byproduct of frustration and confusion. They love eachother so much.
Bernie: I hid a camera. And this time I got ‘em! Mirabel: I will never be good enough for you…will I? Ming: I’m never gonna be good enough for her…or anyone! Bernie: Coincidence? I think NOT!
I get the same feeling at the moment with my family due to the fact that I am autistic and I feared that I'll never be good enough for my family and friends no matter how hard I tried my best to be patient, to please them and to win their approval. 😭😭 I tried my best to win my platonic pal's approval and show gratitude for my 3 year friendship with him. 😟😢😿
@@imkrisyoungOh darling I understand how you feel. I wanted so much to gain my parents approval but they always told me off for not listening to them all the time. 😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I am fearful that I wasn't good enough for my parents- they are overprotective and strict.
Personally it Up which where he is sitting with the foto album and she wrote “ thank you for the adventure now make a new one “ and I cried hard.. it was just so beautiful..
Good Lord, Sandra Oh's performance on the "I'm just so sick of being perfect! I'm never gonna be good enough for her!" is so gutteral heart wrenching that I have to watch this movie a hundred times just for that line delivery alone.
I was watching this movie with my mom when it came out and I had to keep from sobbing in front of her at this part because I constantly feel like I never amounted to what she wanted and I’m working through learning how to live for myself instead of pleasing others. That scene where her mom apologizes is something I’m very likely never going to get myself
@@k.i.mtheartist4567 Thank you. I know you a wonderful person too. Dear God, I ask you to heal the person behind the scream. Heal his/her heart. As you have heal my heart. Remind him/her that he/she is wonderful made. You were created under Gods own image. God has a purpose for your life. You are special. The enemy will tell you otherwise, but God sees your worth. 💖☺️ blessings my friend. Jesus suffered a lot too when died on cross for our sins. He saw you & me when He was on the cross. Love you in Christ❣️
This Scene always makes me cry because so good and heartfelt and wholesome. And something that also gets me is how Ming sobs. Because it’s so sad what she had to go through a as child.
Realizing that Ming is also very stressed since she had mommy issues and family problems to her aswell, I don't appreciate her own unaware actions and embarrassing her own daughter in public, But she needs to understand proper parenting more, Mei already fought back against her own mother since she has so much confidence but for ming, Jeez, Gotta be hell for sure
I love that from this scene and a few others in this film, you can tell the Ming was just like Mei when she was younger and she went through the same conflictions and turmoil Mei has recently gone through.
I just love how modern animation representing generational trauma and how they over come it. Coco, Turning Red, Encanto.. like we're finally open up about it and how it effected our life. Ten years ago we won't seeing any of this film or seeing people openly talk about their generational trauma like we are refuse to see it, but it is always there. I hope to see people today act differently, not afraid to break the cycle and healing eachother.
Someone else pointed this out before, but from a color theory/make-up perspective we use green to tone down shades of red (as they are complimentary colors). So we watch Ming grow up and she adds more and more green to her look to essentially "suppress" and tone down her red panda, this shows she struggled to get past that part of her life continuously. But something else I don't see a lot of people point out is that Mei wears tones of Pink which is essentially a shade of red (red and white mixed) that shows her embrace of her panda. The only time we see Mei actually wear more green is when she is working to suppress her panda, like her PE uniform or her moms jacket during the 4-Town presentation. Really shows the two separate paths Ming and Mei took in how they dealt with their pandas. Love that little detail in the movie.
Top ten Disney scenes that hit hard: 1. This 2. Mufasa dies (Lion King) 3. Woody and Bo argue (Toy Story 4) 4. Phineas getting angry at Candace (Mission Marvel) 5. Mirabel and Alma fighting (Encanto) 6. You really are a bad guy (Wreck it Ralph) 7. Flynn almost dies (Tangled) 8. Marcy’s betrayal (Amphibia) 9. Anna freezes (Frozen) 10. The furnace (Toy Story 3)
I can’t, as a Chinese Canadian who grew up in Toronto with a Cantonese speaking family (literally the identical setting as the movie lmao), I cried when she said “I’ll never be perfect for her”, cuz it’s kinda relatable
“I’ll never be good enough for her… or anyone” had me a crying mess. My mom is a narcissist and I’m always afraid I’m not doing a good job for my own daughter.
Watching this scene with Gotye's "Dig your own hole" music video on my Tv in the background made me cry even harder than just watching this scene by itself. The song "dig your own hole" talks about when you are so set on something that you would rather keep going the way you're going whether it's a good thing or not and that you repeat yourself over and over again ("dig yourself the hole you're in") never changing course. This scene talks about how Ming felt about her mistake (hurting her mom) and kept in the family's unhealthy cycle of making their kids feel like they need to be perfect to be loved. Thereby, until Mei's stop to it, digging their hole they were in "repeat yourself again". I love my family but them putting pressure on me kept giving me anxiety and anger and it wasn't helping me.And to be honest i still kinda feel that way.. but only because of myself. Because that's how i was going through it but i'm trying to get outta that hole now! gonna try to move int the right direction! but yeah that's what made me cry harder.
I imagine a sequel and for some reason I can imagine Mei and her friends are starting High School as we all know high school can be daunting, their might be a few things that might trigger the Red Panda If the goal in the first film was to see her first concert, what if in the second film the high school is holding auditions for singing and dancing on stage Maybe Mei and her friends would to grow up to a Pop band themselves. Maybe Mei and her friends fall into conflict with a rival group of popular students led by a snobbish girl Also I read somewhere that Robaire of 4*Town will have a solo career, so I imagine that's what would happen in a sequel and 4*Town will go their separate ways Maybe Mei and her friends will meet fine young teenage boy who a beautiful singing voice, and help him fulfill his dream to become a singer So many possibilities
I’ve heard that happens a lot in some families and at times it’s because the parent failed to achieve a certain goal in their delusion and blind pursuit for perfection so they push their failures and insecurities onto their children to achieve in their place. and that’s a suffocating lifestyle….I just want you all to know that you do have a choice that there is no such thing as “perfection.” You are very much loved and appreciated by the people who love you most importantly because you are “you” and nobody not even your parents can take that away you should be, the person you wanna be and do what makes you happy.
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I've been where you are before. But it gets better.
Remember, the fight Ming's inner child is talking about was her mother saying she couldn't see Jin. All this fear of not being enough means Jin was likely the first person in Ming's whole life who wanted the real her.
All in all it just proves hpw much they loved each other. Ming fought her mother for jin. Jin saw mings panda and still stayed with her. That's true love
Jin is honestly the best.
Yeah cuz most likely she had someone arranged to her
@@beccagregory3586 They balance each other out and the personalities work. But the most beautiful part is how much she wanted to be with him.
At 1:00 I've noticed that mei's lips trembling while talking to her young mom, holding back her own tears to just comfort her mother. I never noticed that till now.
Mei saw herself in Ming and could help her mom heal.
This is how to treat people the way you want to be treated
Begins now
Rest in peace and quite
It was just the mouth moving to speak.
I love it when they are walking through the forest and Ming slowly grows up. It symbolizes her growing up from her childhood trauma and moving forward. 😢 ❤
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she grew up but she never healed 💔
That's a very Insightful observation
I agree with you too ❤️
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In my opinion this was one of the most powerful parts of the movie. Ming Lee was always taking Meilin by the hand and showing her the way, but in this scene we see Meilin take Ming’s hand and we even watch Ming grow up and her daughter shows her the way.
This is like an example of the golden rule
I'm not alive Po!
At least Ming met her husband the only good thing in her life during the time where she felt like she’s never good enough for anyone. But Jin (I think that’s his name) accept her flaws and all. I kinda want to see how they met. I want to see Ming fight for her husband since falling in love with him was probably the best decision because it was her choice and she ended up having a great daughter who flawed but perfect in her own skin
She should learn not to always control her daughter’s life all the time and respect her lifestyle.
@@jaylenhioe2868 Did you not watch the movie?
@@dryocampa I did and this is what it’s also talking about
@@jaylenhioe2868 I don't even think Ming wanted to be such a helicopter parent, but that's how her mother treated her so she felt pressure to act the same with her child. Yeah it was wrong of her, but you can't fully blame her either. She had a bad relationship with her mother after she hurted her, but still wanted her to be proud. Then when Ming met her husband, even then her mother did not approve of him. The husband Jin was the only stable caring person in her life. It's sad really.
Was surprised Mei’s mom looked like that before and even wore glasses, looks like they did had a lot in common.
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And it seems that whatever happened with her and her mom caused to burry that part of herself. As it is shown during her growth.
@@Lapel158 Well...it's implied that because her Red Panda is bigger than any of the Red Pandas, she caused the scar on Wu's eye. Just like how Mei hit Ming in the face, Ming hit Wu in the face. However, instead of opening Wu's eyes to how she treated Ming, she just became scared of Ming's form and stopped interfering with Ming and Jin's relationship, which explains her "bad experience" with the Red Panda form. That's why Ming fully gave into being what her mother demanded her to be.
It took a repeat of the same circumstances mirrored in Ming and Mei for Wu to realize she was the cause of *everything* not Ming or Mei or even the Red Panda.
Remember Aubela's part in "All of You"? It was the exact same thing for Wu, holding on too tight because she was afraid of losing someone important to her. In Wu and Ming's case it was simply: my child is growing up.
@@girl1213 Mei to Ming/Ming to Wu: I TOLD YOU NOT TO TOUCH IT!
NYAnimePizzaMaster978, I love how that basically made it so natural for Mei to show her mom understanding about what's she's going through
*There’s no such thing as perfect. Your beautiful the way you are. With all your Imperfections, you can do anything.*
Yeah
Damn, got me with that Courage the Cowardly Dog quote. I always loved that fish for that message.
@@runrunmi 😁 loved that episode
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It’s heartbreaking that Ming felt she couldn’t forgive herself.
Absolutely agree. There is a saying “a problem shared is a problem halved”
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@@diane9455what do u mean?
When she says "I'm sick of being perfect" Its like what Isabela said in Encanto "I've been stuck being perfect my whole life"
And when Mei's mom says "lm never gonna be good enough for her" its also like what Mirabel said to Abuela, "I'll never be good enough for you, will I?"
Yeah
There's a saying "Nobody's perfect. Everybody makes mistakes"
@@lexusdriver1963 I hate it when Karen's demand perfection which is never going to happen.
An the cycle continues on and on.
@@Disneyfan82
Wanting perfection is considered imperfect
I really like the detail that when Ming grows up her clothing colour palette slowly changes to incorporate more green. Like the jade accessories that lock the panda away. So this could symbolize how she grew to resent her panda, and as such her younger and more rebellious side, over the years.
This scene really spoke to me. I am a victim of psychological abuse by my religious fanatical uncle. He preyed upon my fears and seemed to delight in punishing me. He made me like I would never be good enough, and I still feel that way a lot of the time. Scenes like this, along with the love I get from my family, friends, and God, make me realize that I am good enough, and as painful as my pain can be, I know I will be okay.
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Thank you. It is a struggle, but I am okay.
I believe in you ❤️
did anyone else realize what he was doing and gave him a slap
No. No one did anything. I couldn't go to anyone. I was only a kid. I couldn't go to my parents. My dad left us and my mom spend almost 2 years trying to get my sisters and me under her care.
i love how in the film both meimei and ming are portrayed as daughters individually, remember our moms were once young daughters too
If Mei-Mei went through with the ritual, it wouldn't solved anything. It wouldn't have changed the way they felt inside.
It would have changed the way she felt inside because she would have bottled up her emotions like Ming did.
@@MsAliciaRL it makes sense.
And then like her own mom before her, she would have subconsciously passed on the trauma to her own children if she decided to have any.
@@Megacooltommydee And don't forget, Mei would've had a resentment towards her mom as well.
Everyone is fine the way they are. Ming just fails to understand that.
Behind an adult and rigid woman, (0:17) there is a girl who continues to cry about her past
Meilin Lee: Mom, are you crying?
Meilin Lee: There's no crying in Toronto!
It's a shame Mei didn't see her mom in her second age progression before reaching adulthood.
yeah
It def did at 1:35 that’s her like 20s
Yeah
@@tumsfestival8027 eh i kinda doubt that.. she's still wearing a school uniform so maybe she was like a senior in highschool, there or maybe barely starting college
@@shroom_propertyofyoriichi I think she’s just a nerd. Remember it’s the 90s in Canada
For people wondering, that's Mei's mom Ming as a kid.
bruh it's obvious
@@justanapp9459 not to people who havent watched the movie.
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She literally called her mom at the beginning-
that was her back in 1962 (high school uniform designs were like that back then)
the years before Prime Minister Papa Trudeau became prime minister
Young Ming: I'm never going to be good enough for her!
Mirabel: I will never be good enough for you. Will I?
Bernie Kropp: Coincidence? I think *NAWT!*
Principal: Um…Bernie…
Bernie Kropp: Don’t “Bernie” me!
Pacifica: I lied to you just because I'm too scared to talk to my stupid parents!
@@disneyparksstarwarslover7638 THIS LITTLE RAT IS GULITY!
@@scarletweb2106 I love Gravity Falls.
@@scarletweb2106 Chicken Little: You've been ashamed ever since the acorn thing happened and we have to talk because Modern Mallard says avoiding closure can Iead to molting. I'm already small and on top of that, *I DON’T THINK I COULD HANDLE BEING BALD!!!!*
This scene is so relatable on so many levels in terms of emotions. Love the message it sends that we should always open up on how we feel.
This scene always makes me cry, as we get to know the deepest fears from a mother translated to another but rewrited as pain. I like the idea of the daughter opening the way to her mother, so she can just break that heritage. Sometimes we, as women, don't get to know each other as we should. The message of healing that is strong in here.
I’m going to be honest: I really didn’t think this movie was gonna work based on the trailer and the first 20 minutes….. but my god, the rest of the film is BEAUTIFUL!!!! The message, the characters, the comedy, this is TRUE Pixar. Who knew that a movie about a girl turning into a panda could be THIS deep and good???? This scene in particular is Oscar worthy! 🤩🤩🤩
This also makes me have more respect for Mei's dad. He saw her (and his little girl) as perfect the way she is.
It's crazy how isolated you can feel as a teenager and that your parents for some reason just can't relate. I feel like all that teenage angst can sometimes blind you from empathizing and seeing that they've been through these issues too. Watching this as an adult and a parent to a young teenager myself now, just hits so much harder. I never was outwardly loud or talked back to my parents, but when I was a teen and my parents tried to relate to my troubles, at the time I always took it with a grain of salt back then. Like they couldn't comprehend what was happening to me.
I was a fool to think that their concern wasn't based in genuine empathy back then. My teenage son and I watched this and man, I'm fortunate enough to be able to have these dialogues with him about teenage troubles and he fortunately understands and takes them more seriously than I did. It's hard to imagine and put our parents in our shoes once, but kudos for this movie to do that. I'm not necessarily saying Ming Lee being a helicopter parent is justified, but sometimes these deep-rooted family traditions can really mess up generations. Times change, and people need to as well. What worked back then, might not work today and I try to remember that in my role as a newer parent now.
Not to mention that the reason why Ming was isolated was because her mother didn’t even allow her to have friends so she would stay with her family for duties and chores.
At least Ming let Mei have friends even if she thinks they are bad for her.
Whoever the voice actress is for the younger Ming honestly did a fantastic job - especially if it's still Sandra Oh. The angry strain on her vocal cords with the heartbroken crack, "I'm never going to be good enough for her! ... Or anyone..."
This scene hit home for me, real hard.
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Me too
I think it’s good Mei saw her mom as a kid. She was able to understand everything and thanks to her dad, was able to show compassion.
I love that Mei Lin can see how Ming grew up and why she is the way she is.
This movie hit home for me, I relate almost every single bit of this movie. The generational trauma, the friends, the favorite band, THE MOMMY ISSUES. Ming reminds me a lot of my mom and Mei is a lot like me when I was young and even now, I hope my mom would get to a point of where Ming realized how she made Mei so hard on herself. This movie will always hold a special place in my heart. I also made my mom watch this movie and she really saw a lot of Mei in me and even questioned to my dad behind my back if she was really overprotective and overwhelming towards me. I love how this movie didn't make Ming the bad or good guy, she was a mother who absolutely loved her daughter but was unaware of her mistakes. The film was very relatable with the mom-daughter relationship and how loving and toxic it could be and it made me realize how much my mom cares for me. I absolutely sobbed at this scene and how beautiful this film is. Pixar is really doing so good rn. 🫶🙌‼️
Sometimes I wish I could connect with my mom in this way, just for a glimmer of understanding. I know she's part of a cycle, but that cycle ends with me.
My mom went through horrible things in her teenage years, and she was judged and pushed away by everyone. She had no one to protect her. This scene broke me into tears because of how much I would give to have been able to hug her in that moment when she was young and afraid, lonely, at her lowest, and with no hope. What I would give to comfort her and love her when no one else would.
im sorry to hear that :(
Really love the transition of Ming between the bamboo forest, Really cool detail
Deep down Ming did want the best for mei but ended up making feel the same way when she was growing up from the same trauma but mei finally had the courage to stand up to her mom to tell her how she felt so Ming needs to understand that she can't control mei and her life that's up to mei to decide for herself but I'm glad those made up and are making changes to be normal and happy 😁
That’s why it’s important to respect your child’s lifestyle and choices, even if it’s something you don’t like at first.
@@jaylenhioe2868 And if they make a mistake, let him or her learn from it, not hover over.
So many struggling parents are hurt children who are just doing their best.
Are all of them good? No. Some were hurt too much to know how to be good.
But many still want to try.
You do not have to forgive them for hurting you, but you need not carry the torch once you've realized it. If you wish, urge them to get help to be better.
You are loved. You deserve love. Seek help and be the best version of you for yourself and for those you care for.
Growing up with an Asian mom really related to me this movie. Me and my cousins watched this and we were tearing up bc of how well they portrayed living up to standards for ur parents
Same 🥹
Yeah I grew up with an African mom and an African dad
Tbh I don’t think it’s exclusively an Asian thing. As a white kid, I felt the same way too
Turning Red had so many wonderful moments, but this whole scene is the most Powerful in the movie. I actually cried the first time I saw it. Ming had always been leading Meilin, but now it was Meilin leading her mother. Watching Ming grown as they walk also symbolizes how much times have changed.
That explains a lot from the Daisy Mart Incident to the 4-Town fight it's because Ming was reliving the past and suffered worse than Mei.
Hmm, like Basil from OMORI…he relived his past, and suffered more than his friend (and main character) Sunny. If you’ve played the game, you’ll understand.
But if you want to be respected, you should try to treat others that way too.
Exactly. So for her ungrateful and outrageously diabolical behavior, Ming Lee is punished justly and fairly by the gods of Mt. Crayonlympus because they were mad at her for insulting Mei's drawings, accusing Devon of taking advantage of her which he didn't, disapproving Mei's red panda transforming superpower, hating her friends by making her friendship fall apart and ruining the 4*Town concert.
@@rachelklueck9264 Don't forget, mentioning Pads in front of Mei Mei's school. On the drawing and Devon situation, Ming could've just had a conversation with Mei Mei instead of making a scene.
@@mbcommandnerd i omor 💀
The music in those scene is absolutely beautiful. This whole scene is so powerful and I couldn’t help except cry like a baby.
I can relate ✨
TRUE MAN
The mum as a child is literally me.. and it hurts so bad :(
that realization that Mei's mom was so deeply traumatized is so perfect, right to tears 😢
Man, this scene broke me when I first saw it.... :'(
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This shows how good Sandra Oh’s range is. She’s incredible!
We are all a product of our parents. Generational trauma will always pass on, you have to be the one to break the cycle. Love movies and series with this message.
What an emotional scene. Another emotional scene is when Mei said “IM TURNING RED!” Then turned red.
Truly the greatest scene in the movie
This scene was like everything to me 🥺🥺🥺🖤
Its so touching...
Yeah 🥲
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What makes this scene hard to watch (for me at least) is remembering that Wu very likely also had the “I’m so sick of being perfect! I’m never going to be good enough for [her mom]!” moment as a young teenager, as did her mom before her and her mom before her and it’s possible that even Sun Yee herself had that moment as well 😢
Then at the emotional endings of Encanto and Turning Red, Bruno and Ming’s moms walks up to them and gave them a hug of forgiveness🥲😊🥺🖤
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When I first watched this movie, I was not prepared for the levels this would hit me. Except my grandmother isn't as nice as hers. My mom and I know this feeling and this movie beautifully illustrated how trauma can take its toll over MANY generations
I Know How Mei & Ming Feels, Being Perfect Is Not Always Easy & Controling Your Own Kids To Become Like Them It's NOT The Right Thing To Be As A 👪, There's No In The Whole Wide World As Perfect That's Just Who We Are As Special In Our Own Way, Like I Don't Need To Be As A Perfect Daughter Or A Perfect Woman, I'm Perfect Just The Way I Am, Not Mom Or My BS (Big Sister), Just ME 🌸🌹❤️🌸🌹❤️
Being perfect isn’t necessary. You are fine the way you are.
@@jaylenhioe2868 Exactly & Thank U
No. You don't born to be perfect. You are born to be you.
@@johnsantos507 That's Right & The Lord Give Me Autistic As A Blessing Gift
Honestly in life when your parents are disappointed in some of the things you've done sometimes you feel like this. Thinking like if my own parents my own family doesn't like who i am then im not gonna be good enough. That's why we try so hard in life to please them so they can be happy with us. But people aren't perfect my own parents have their flaws and i have mine it doesn't make us different it means we have more in common
I can't belive it was just a voice actor, not the actuall cries
The fact that Meilin is genuinely confused when she asks, "Who?"
She could have easily assumed Ming was referring to her. But thats not how she thinks of her mom. She doesnt feel hurt by her mom, she doesnt see her mom as a hurtful person. The only pain is a natural byproduct of frustration and confusion.
They love eachother so much.
The mother's actress is very talented❤❤❤
No one can be perfect. Only God can be perfect. And last time I checked, no human being can ever be like God
happy sorry
Well said. Couldn't agree more
The eternal excuse.
I feel like people give turning red a hard time because it’s so good for what it is. And it’s so relatable
Bernie: I hid a camera. And this time I got ‘em!
Mirabel: I will never be good enough for you…will I?
Ming: I’m never gonna be good enough for her…or anyone!
Bernie: Coincidence? I think NOT!
lol
Frida: They think I'm different
Mirabel: Finally…a worthy opponent. Our battle will be LEGENDARY!
Hahaha
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This movie is what defines one lesson. Nobody is perfect, their imperfections are what make people special, and they should accept that.
Poor ming he was just apologizing saying forgive me excuse me for everything i've done
Kingdom hearts 🐼
I get the same feeling at the moment with my family due to the fact that I am autistic and I feared that I'll never be good enough for my family and friends no matter how hard I tried my best to be patient, to please them and to win their approval. 😭😭
I tried my best to win my platonic pal's approval and show gratitude for my 3 year friendship with him. 😟😢😿
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Can relate. I’m autistic and I always felt like I was never good enough for anyone.
@@imkrisyoungOh darling I understand how you feel. I wanted so much to gain my parents approval but they always told me off for not listening to them all the time. 😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I am fearful that I wasn't good enough for my parents- they are overprotective and strict.
Pixar NEVER fails to bring out those tears.
Mavis (to Grandma Wu): *THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!!!* (flies off angrily)
Frida Suarez slaps Grandma Wu
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the only bit in a Pixar movie I had to pause because I was crying so hard.
cute pfp! ^^
Personally it Up which where he is sitting with the foto album and she wrote “ thank you for the adventure now make a new one “ and I cried hard.. it was just so beautiful..
Rly.?
0:30 Oh so that explains her origin of getting her right eye row scarr😦
Scar: Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be LEGENDARY!
This part made me ugly cry...we have all been in Ming shoe's it hurts trying to please everyone around you and still feel like your not good enough.
Good Lord, Sandra Oh's performance on the "I'm just so sick of being perfect! I'm never gonna be good enough for her!" is so gutteral heart wrenching that I have to watch this movie a hundred times just for that line delivery alone.
Bro I cried so much during this scene but my brother cringed 😭😭 cause the “I’m tired of being perfect” scene
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Isabela: Finally. A worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!
happy sorry
I was watching this movie with my mom when it came out and I had to keep from sobbing in front of her at this part because I constantly feel like I never amounted to what she wanted and I’m working through learning how to live for myself instead of pleasing others. That scene where her mom apologizes is something I’m very likely never going to get myself
I don’t know why I find it o cute that Mei was so supportive and kind to Ming 😭
I will always cry when she says “I’ll never be good enough for her” I know all to well how it feels 😞
Same and the pressure on your shoulder. My father has put this pressure on me 💔 Believe it or not father to daughter.
@@Heythere2810 I’m so sorry🥺 I bet your a wonderful person keep yo head up
@@k.i.mtheartist4567 Thank you. I know you a wonderful person too.
Dear God,
I ask you to heal the person behind the scream. Heal his/her heart. As you have heal my heart. Remind him/her that he/she is wonderful made. You were created under Gods own image. God has a purpose for your life. You are special. The enemy will tell you otherwise, but God sees your worth. 💖☺️ blessings my friend. Jesus suffered a lot too when died on cross for our sins. He saw you & me when He was on the cross. Love you in Christ❣️
@@Heythere2810 thanks you soooo very much I needed that prayer 🙏🏽 🥺💗
I'm sorry 🙏 😔 you're an amazing person
This Scene always makes me cry because so good and heartfelt and wholesome. And something that also gets me is how Ming sobs. Because it’s so sad what she had to go through a as child.
Realizing that Ming is also very stressed since she had mommy issues and family problems to her aswell, I don't appreciate her own unaware actions and embarrassing her own daughter in public, But she needs to understand proper parenting more, Mei already fought back against her own mother since she has so much confidence but for ming, Jeez, Gotta be hell for sure
I love that from this scene and a few others in this film, you can tell the Ming was just like Mei when she was younger and she went through the same conflictions and turmoil Mei has recently gone through.
"Nothing's perfect, the world's not perfect, but it's there for us, trying the best it can. That's what makes it so damn beautiful."
Makes me want to cry 😭 when, Ming was emotional and hurting her own mother.
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I feel so bad for Ming she had such a horrible mother, but I’m glad she has Mei to help her now.
I just love how modern animation representing generational trauma and how they over come it.
Coco, Turning Red, Encanto.. like we're finally open up about it and how it effected our life. Ten years ago we won't seeing any of this film or seeing people openly talk about their generational trauma like we are refuse to see it, but it is always there. I hope to see people today act differently, not afraid to break the cycle and healing eachother.
Yeah me too I wish I create my Nickelodeon original movie Mariala and it's about generational trauma
I felt so sorry for Ming🥺🥺🥺
Me too. 😔 I feel bad for her.
Me too
I know how she feels, she doesn’t have perfect, she has to be special. And so was Emmet. And so was Mirabel. And so was everyone.
She reminds me of Frida Suarez, Luz Noceda and Candace Flynn
Me too, but she should at least learn to respect mei’s lifestyle.
I love this moment with may's mom😮
The fact that some people hate this movie scares me. It’s my most favorite Pixar movie of all time
Someone else pointed this out before, but from a color theory/make-up perspective we use green to tone down shades of red (as they are complimentary colors). So we watch Ming grow up and she adds more and more green to her look to essentially "suppress" and tone down her red panda, this shows she struggled to get past that part of her life continuously. But something else I don't see a lot of people point out is that Mei wears tones of Pink which is essentially a shade of red (red and white mixed) that shows her embrace of her panda. The only time we see Mei actually wear more green is when she is working to suppress her panda, like her PE uniform or her moms jacket during the 4-Town presentation.
Really shows the two separate paths Ming and Mei took in how they dealt with their pandas. Love that little detail in the movie.
idk why this scene makes me wanna cry-
like it's so relatable
This is therapy the overcoming of some traumas I love this!!! ❤
I know right!!
I know
Time passes by so much… 😢
Ming Lee don’t have to be the villain.
She wasn’t perfect enough for this.
I wouldn’t exactly say she’s a villain.
@@jaylenhioe2868 What are you talking about? Manny and Marlin is already nusty cuckoo!
Disney really hits hard these days. 😭
yeah
Top ten Disney scenes that hit hard:
1. This
2. Mufasa dies (Lion King)
3. Woody and Bo argue (Toy Story 4)
4. Phineas getting angry at Candace (Mission Marvel)
5. Mirabel and Alma fighting (Encanto)
6. You really are a bad guy (Wreck it Ralph)
7. Flynn almost dies (Tangled)
8. Marcy’s betrayal (Amphibia)
9. Anna freezes (Frozen)
10. The furnace (Toy Story 3)
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Don't forget the Proud Family: Louder and Prouder episode about Sugar Mama's backstory, also shows why she treats Oscar the way she does.
Oh man poor Suga Mama
I love sad Ming.😭😭😭🥺🥺🥺1:40
0:38-0:42 me too.
Me too
There’s a price to bottling everything up. The bottle has to crack eventually
Ming is so cute!
I can’t, as a Chinese Canadian who grew up in Toronto with a Cantonese speaking family (literally the identical setting as the movie lmao), I cried when she said “I’ll never be perfect for her”, cuz it’s kinda relatable
Sorry, you had to go through that.
This makes so much sense when your perants are boomers
“I’ll never be good enough for her… or anyone” had me a crying mess. My mom is a narcissist and I’m always afraid I’m not doing a good job for my own daughter.
I'm sorry 🙏 😔 you're doing a good job
Seriously, HOW DID THIS MOVIE FLOPPED
Watching this scene with Gotye's "Dig your own hole" music video on my Tv in the background made me cry even harder than just watching this scene by itself. The song "dig your own hole" talks about when you are so set on something that you would rather keep going the way you're going whether it's a good thing or not and that you repeat yourself over and over again ("dig yourself the hole you're in") never changing course.
This scene talks about how Ming felt about her mistake (hurting her mom) and kept in the family's unhealthy cycle of making their kids feel like they need to be perfect to be loved. Thereby, until Mei's stop to it, digging their hole they were in "repeat yourself again".
I love my family but them putting pressure on me kept giving me anxiety and anger and it wasn't helping me.And to be honest i still kinda feel that way.. but only because of myself. Because that's how i was going through it but i'm trying to get outta that hole now! gonna try to move int the right direction! but yeah that's what made me cry harder.
Why do I feel like crying when I first saw this?
I imagine a sequel and for some reason I can imagine Mei and her friends are starting High School
as we all know high school can be daunting, their might be a few things that might trigger the Red Panda
If the goal in the first film was to see her first concert, what if in the second film the high school is holding auditions for singing and dancing on stage
Maybe Mei and her friends would to grow up to a Pop band themselves.
Maybe Mei and her friends fall into conflict with a rival group of popular students led by a snobbish girl
Also I read somewhere that Robaire of 4*Town will have a solo career, so I imagine that's what would happen in a sequel and 4*Town will go their separate ways
Maybe Mei and her friends will meet fine young teenage boy who a beautiful singing voice, and help him fulfill his dream to become a singer
So many possibilities
0:41 Isabela much?
Yep Isabela wants to be wild and rebellious
Young Ming's Glasses that looks like Sadness from Inside Out.
This moment truly made me cry.😢
I’ve heard that happens a lot in some families and at times it’s because the parent failed to achieve a certain goal in their delusion and blind pursuit for perfection so they push their failures and insecurities onto their children to achieve in their place.
and that’s a suffocating lifestyle….I just want you all to know that you do have a choice that there is no such thing as “perfection.”
You are very much loved and appreciated by the people who love you most importantly because you are “you” and nobody not even your parents can take that away you should be, the person you wanna be and do what makes you happy.
The Panda isn't a curse
The Tradition of being "Perfect" running for generations in the family is the problem.