I was taught in diesel tech that the bearing retaining ring was called a wedding ring. And that bottom half on the bearing once you line up the ring notch the other side of that bearing you need to snap in past the shoulder of the block edge before you put bearing cap on, once you snap it past that edge the bearing usually stays fine to get the bearing cap on.
I started working as an apprentice for Cummins in 1969 and spent most of my life working on them. The style of bearnig with the wedding band retainer goes way back before 1969. The easy way to install these is to place the lower bearing shell in the wedding band side then hold the center of the shell up while placing a "lady slipper" bar, or large screwdriver or similar in the other side main bolt hole in the block and apply pressure against the shell. Shell should snap right in place and stay there. Takes longer to write this than to do it.
Bearing tangs are for location in the housing bore - bearing crush locks the bearings in place . Once proper crush is lost due to improper housing bore size , spun bearing results regardless of tangs / locating device .
Good thing you are a patient man! 😂 I don’t remember swearing that much when I rolled bearings in my Cummins, but that was over 20 years ago, maybe I forgot. I do remember being sore after torquing the main caps though.
oh dude if you are talking about dd15s i freaking hate those junks, they were built so no other mechanic can work on them except for the engineers who designed them smh lol
The ring that holds the bearing in place is called a "wedding band" every small cam, big cam, N14 ran that setup. It's different but does the job. Also spun mains on a cummins are few and far between. Just wait until you get the opprutunity to replace the cam bearings, that will be a good video!!
@@Jpaydirt The tool is about 5ft long to drive the bearings in and out, you got to pull no.7 forward or it will damage the freeze plug and the engine will leak oil out of the bell housing. Also the bearings are numbered, put them in wrong and you wont get oil to the rocker arms, dont line them up properly and you will spin a cam bearing, ect, ect. Alot of b.s. just so it doesn't have to use an injection pump.
@@Jpaydirt well fortunately, if you change the oil regularly, you should never have to do that again. I've removed bearings with over a million miles that looked new compared to what you had. Someone was not giving that ol' girl the love she deserves.
@@Jpaydirt LOL. Too late Jeffrey, you already did and after going all the way to Cali you poor fellar lol. Hang tough ole boy and never let her see you sweat or she'll make your life plum miserable. She might even make you a good truck eventually. Cheers and don't forget we out here in la-la land feel your pain.
So much for the family content on this one and I think it's safe to say that Cummins probably won't come to you and offer to sponsor you but it's obvious that is a rinky-dink setup and you did a pretty good job of explaining it 👍
Always exciting see people new to the n14 doing bearing rolls and after there all done you walk by and see one or two bering washers sitting on the ground🤣
just today I tried puttin these on! my dad was teachin me how to do them and at the end of the day i could put them the way theyre supposed to but this video helped me a lot to make sure i did things right! thank you so much for this video, you deserve more views!!!!
You should have asked how to do that job as you fought it more than you should have. I always tuck the long leg up in the top as far as it will go first the push it around until the bearing snaps on the washer. Then you stick the cap on straight and run the bolts in finger tight and square. Then take the hand sledge and bash the cap home right in. The center with one shot. Then you can run the bolts the rest of the way in.
well I started on the worst one first, when I opened the bearings some of them were jammed together and I mean jammed, like they were packing a box of cigarettes so the one I was installing was a bit stretched so every time it snaped in it would snap out with the slightest of disturbance, after this one they went fine, I had er dicked
I always put the bearing in the cap and the wedding ring on the bolts and slapped them in, we used STP and plenty of it . Never had a problem with them seating in. Always ran the caps up with a impact, a little at a time then toured them in. The first time is to get all the extra lube out and preload the cap,second time is too set the cap and bearing in place. Good luck.
i have owned 8 different trucks over the past 35 yrs all had Cummins engines except for my current unit , its got a series 60 and i love it , its on its 2nd inframe as of this past fall, got 11 yrs out of the first inframe , but anyway all the Cummins engines i had were Big Cam versions or prior like my first truck had a shiny 290 , but after watching this series of videos on you freshening up this N14 i dont believe ill try one of these if i ever consider buying a different truck
I have a 855 240 hp engine and overhauled it last year. What a pain in the ass and expensive. Couldn’t believe it prolly had 15000 in parts. And yes some of the dumb stuff they do in those engines makes you scratch your head and think who in the hell thought of this crap. Jeff keep going love the videos look forward to them every week😎
Been doing cummins for 36 years. Rolled more bearing then I can remember. Grease one of the thrust bearing to get it to stay up. Hammer in the middle of the main cap to seat it. Never had any problems.
Watch out Jeff your gonna hurt everyone’s fellings like when logger wade let one swear word slip and the whole fucking world fell apart. Some people can’t handle the real world.
its been a day or two but best i remember is you install the long side first and then listen for a click on the wedding ring (washer), all 855 blocks use this same type of bearing lock.
Maybe that .060. gap between the main bearing shell halves is to keep the bearings from spinning when heat up and expand when the oil pressure drops? LOL!!
That's different. Makes for a breathtaking 1st crank I'd imagine. Several minutes of nauseating oil pressure watchin followed by hours of lingering doubt. Got my fingers crossed for ya!
Great video 👍 Jay You gotta be glad Cummins didn't ask a French engine designer to help 😆,you can only work on Cummins if you can spanner synchronize !🤣
Thinking, put the lower shell in the cap, extend the side that goes up into the block, .060 thou and carefully put it up as you did . I'd like to push, tap the cap close before pulling it down with the bolts, to try and feel that extended side enter the block .
I love using many profane words when things aren't going well. I like using some when things are going good also. One word is my ultimate favourite of all time. Excellent video Jeff. Sorry I laughed at your frustration. LOL.
Havent worked on an n14 since school but i was taught to use a screwdriver or small pry bar to pop the main bearings onto the journal, then install the cap, if i remember right. Wasnt anything to it really. Im a Cat guy but a 525 N14 is a bad dude.
I’ve never been able to perform an in frame. I just don’t have the patience to work on my back. I will pull the motor before supporting all that crap. I’m limited and not a professional mechanic.
Ok Jeff it’s time to tell the truth, what’s your secret in staying so calm? I would have already scraped the project with this new style cummapart or found a old school 3406B or better yet a 1693/425 pc! I do have some equipment with Cummins motors but the newest is 1984 - 250 naturally aspirated. No issues.
Oh my word Jeff, the "F" word..? And it being the "Sabbath" and all... Lol...! Sir, I am not laughing at you by any means, but I have felt that kind of pain before, myself... Jeff, it is great that you play "Barbies" with little ladies... They will remember those times years from now... "good on ya man"...
Look on the bright side, you cussed them in. Sometimes you just have to. To me it doesn't make sense how they did those mains. Good luck and hopefully we'll get to hear her run soon. Great video and see you next time
check out the G.M. 16CLINDER FOR TRAIN ENG. BEARNING ABOUT 20 LB. 2 CLINDERS ON THE SAME BEARNING WITH A FLOATING ROD ON ONE SIDE OF BEARNING CAP. HELD ON WITH 2 STRAPS.
5 minutes in and listening to you express your adoration for Cummings, only reinforces my philosophy that every phuquing engineer out there needs to ACTUALLY assemble/service/maintain the article they designed. I absolutely hate those weenies that think it is so cool to use 14 different size bolts/screws/head styles 'because...'
Well- -I'm glad my bottom end on my n14 still has 32 lb of pressure above a 850 RPM. I'm not so sure about my top end cuz even when I'm down and out for the whole summer not working I'm down a gallon of coolant... I choose the Cummins N14 because it gets better mileage than the Caterpillar ls I drove, on 50/50!after fuel compensation packages, and it has more power than the Detroit. Need I even mentioned Volvo? If I were hauling heavy AND getting properly paid for hauling the weight for a 5-mile per gallon engine then may choose Caterpillar. However, with the intermodal freight I haul, it's more dependent on customer and time frame than it is on weight so why do I bother with even anything over 30,000 lb? I don't know how much in frame costs in labor but it can't be that much less than just renting a Gantry crane and pulling the engine out and putting in a used one. If the typical priced used one one on EBay last 12 months while you working on the one you pulled out, it's essentially paid for itself.
sure stepping on a lot of cummins guys toes jeff! i love it ha ha. we've only ever had one cummins around, a 4bt in a windrower, other than that all deere and cat engines.
Hi Jeff, Those engines were assembled at the factory with the crank up, so gravity works with you. Guess Cummins never expected anyone to change bearings with the engine still in the truck. HaHa. Think I uttered as many of those words when I had to do the same job. You and the family stay safe.
Oh my God, it just struck me as to how much of a pain it must be to change those bearing shells especially with that "washer" design as part of the setup? There is no ridge(s) on the back of the shell to guide or cradle it in too! What patience of Jeff to do this! Swearing helps.
I always put the lower in the cap and at the washer on it. Put a little grease on the thrust bearing to hold it to the cap. You had it right when you slide it on the dowel pin and it goes flush. You made this way harder than it is. If it doesn’t go flush with a gentle tap the washer probably moved. 2 wrenches? Never seen that before. The worst part of the whole thing is torquing them down.
Thrust bearings won't go in with the cap, you have to grease em the the crank, book said to use two wrenches or ratchets so I did as the book said, doing it anyother way is for someone who has some swearing time already clocked on a cummins , I'm a virgin, well not anymore lol after that No. 7 one I had it figured out and it went pretty well
@@Jpaydirt yeah. I got my swearing time already in. If you want to get real nasty start working on Volvos. Anything on them, body, engine etc. they will make you cuss. Ask anybody who has ever put a steering wheel adjustment cable in one. I’m glad I’m out of the business now.
Just remember the next time you purchase a truck make sure that it has a big yeller motor in it .But i think with your skills and talent you can get er done .
One thing you can rest assured of, the college-educated engineer that designed that, never installed one. In my experience, most engineers are educated beyond their intelligence.
That's why mechanics cuss and swear worse than sailors. If engineers turned a wrench on what they build, then the world of cars and trucks would be so different.
It's more the process to getting to be an engineer is what's changed. 50-60 years ago many engineers started on the factory floor at the bottom like everybody else and over 20-30 years they worked their way up the ranks and progressed into design/development if they choose that path. Basically they were on the tools for a significant time before they moved onto design. Now it seems to be high school to college/university to the drafting room.
No you put 1 thrust bearing the cap and let the other one rest on the main bearing and when you get the cap up past the rear housing just giggle the cap and the other thrust bearing will fall right on the cap and start the bolts a little and hold up against the cap and tap with a hammer to seat the cap Thanks Robert
Cummins techs.. would you when doing the Number 7 main cap.. have the number 6 cylinder positioned at Bottom dead center or somewhere down there to give you more room instead of being against the counterweight.. jeff.. what ever that white grease is you used.. is that cummins spec.. i only do gasoline engines and i only use Staylube Moly graphite assembly lube.. including on my valve stems and a little under the seals as a reservoir.. i have had white lithium grease gear harder when exposed to the air ..
I've done dozens of those Cummins mains over the last 44 yrs and if I was there I could show you how far off base you are doing this task. Sorry guy but it's a simple job when you learn the tricks of the trade. Tempted to call ya and reduce your stress.
Thanks Old Pete, I started on the hardest one, the bearing was a bit stretched from being dropped kicked by ups and compacted the bearings together, dam thing kept popping out, after I figured out how to make it work the rest went pretty easy, you been doing it for a long time, This is my first Cummins with the wedding bands, so I've consumated the deal and would now be a bit quicker and with 49% less swear words. it was still funny, I laughed at myself as I watched the footage, I could of edited out the stuff that made me look virgin ish lol but I chose to show it, hope you got a laugh too
Cummins is odd, 80's Cummins was extremely odd. Low flow cooling systems, low pressure lube oil systems. Have to set the crank to adjust the valves for each cylinder, rather than 2 positions like everyone else, gets tiresome on a 12 cylinder engine. I've never been into the bottom of one and now I'm glad.
LOL! I posted my comment before it and hitting this section where you put the bearing in the wrong way: "F*** Cummins; stupid idiots; F*** them"... ....oops "F*** me! I am putting it in the wrong way!" Classic!
Ahh the little ones are hilarious Kids. We want to play poppa Poppa. Ok Kids where going to play clean the garage Pick up tools and put them on the bench Then come see me Start em early lol Awesome video Jeff Keep them coming
I hate when engineering tries to reinvent the wheel. The bearing tangs have been working for 75 years and then a brainiac comes along and tries a new science project.
Sounded like between the main bearings and the Barbie dolls. That you were having more fun than legally allowed.. A quick question out of curiosity. For your Diesel engines, what brand of motor do you run?
Easy peasy you made it harder than it has to be, never used two wrenches to put caps up, snap in the bearing & gun run em down & torque em done deal. And yes I'm a Cummins technician.
Well you are a well seasoned Cummings☻ mech. and are comfortable with what your doing, me.....I'm a virgin with this one so I followed the Kinsey Manual LOL Cummins manual
@@Jpaydirt not gonna lie though my first time doing those took a bit of time, was used to tang style bearings on Macks, thank God Cummins switched to those on the ISX engines. And kudos to you for not giving up, job well done sir & take care.
First I want to say I, not a Cummins fan but Caterpillar will not give us truck engines anymore. The N 14 was known for having main bearing problems some series were worse than others some have no issues. The problem is main bearing fretting. I suspect that the engine you have may be suffering from this problem. If it is after putting the new main bearing in the engine it will run a short amount of time and the crank will cees in the block. This is a common problem within 14 when people change the main bearings without realizing they have a main bearing fretting issues. When this happens the engine is scrap as both the crank in the block are damaged. If the engine block has a fretting problem the block can be machine and line board to alleviate the problem saving the engine block and crank. I am not saying you have this problem but I am very suspicious that this engine has a fretting issue. You should of plastic gage all main bearings prior to final assembly with the new bearings it may give you a hint of what is going on. Best of luck
I thought the pete dumping rig had a cat engine not a cummings my bad! I didnt know california outlawed cummings engines too, I guess only horse and buggies are acceptable for ca emissions.
This reminds me of going from Cummins to working on Cats and the first time stringing up the rocker arm assembly on the 7 liter engines....rubber bands, really???!!! There is no perfect engine and when you work on a lot of them, you realize they could easily make a perfect engine, but they like screwing with mechanics so the tradition continues haha!
We ran QSK 78’s in our mining haul trucks. 12 turbos buried on top and one side pistons were larger than the other for balance. They all got pulled for Detroit’s when the gear cases kept eating itself and blowing up. I feel your pain and don’t like Cummins. New emissions are making things worse.
I was taught in diesel tech that the bearing retaining ring was called a wedding ring. And that bottom half on the bearing once you line up the ring notch the other side of that bearing you need to snap in past the shoulder of the block edge before you put bearing cap on, once you snap it past that edge the bearing usually stays fine to get the bearing cap on.
I started working as an apprentice for Cummins in 1969 and spent most of my life working on them. The style of bearnig with the wedding band retainer goes way back before 1969.
The easy way to install these is to place the lower bearing shell in the wedding band side then hold the center of the shell up while placing a "lady slipper" bar, or large screwdriver or similar in the other side main bolt hole in the block and apply pressure against the shell. Shell should snap right in place and stay there. Takes longer to write this than to do it.
yup I figured it out real quick, after some swearing☻
Bearing tangs are for location in the housing bore - bearing crush locks the bearings in place . Once proper crush is lost due to improper housing bore size , spun bearing results regardless of tangs / locating device .
Good thing you are a patient man! 😂 I don’t remember swearing that much when I rolled bearings in my Cummins, but that was over 20 years ago, maybe I forgot. I do remember being sore after torquing the main caps though.
"what are you doing?' "changing bearings" "isn't that what you do like every single day?" I love it, precious.
That’s the most F-Bombs I’ve heard from anyone not working on a Detroit!😂🤣😂
oh dude if you are talking about dd15s i freaking hate those junks, they were built so no other mechanic can work on them except for the engineers who designed them smh lol
jpay dirt i do have every confidence in your mecanical prowess you are a winner
Might as well start looking for a CAT lump to build up for the next time the crummins plays up.
The ring that holds the bearing in place is called a "wedding band" every small cam, big cam, N14 ran that setup. It's different but does the job. Also spun mains on a cummins are few and far between. Just wait until you get the opprutunity to replace the cam bearings, that will be a good video!!
OMG did you say CAM BEARINGS? sounds like a whole other swearing video
@@Jpaydirt The tool is about 5ft long to drive the bearings in and out, you got to pull no.7 forward or it will damage the freeze plug and the engine will leak oil out of the bell housing. Also the bearings are numbered, put them in wrong and you wont get oil to the rocker arms, dont line them up properly and you will spin a cam bearing, ect, ect. Alot of b.s. just so it doesn't have to use an injection pump.
Same since the ntc. That washer is known as the wedding ring.
Well I don't want to marry the pig LOL
@@Jpaydirt well fortunately, if you change the oil regularly, you should never have to do that again. I've removed bearings with over a million miles that looked new compared to what you had. Someone was not giving that ol' girl the love she deserves.
@@Jpaydirt LOL. Too late Jeffrey, you already did and after going all the way to Cali you poor fellar lol. Hang tough ole boy and never let her see you sweat or she'll make your life plum miserable. She might even make you a good truck eventually. Cheers and don't forget we out here in la-la land feel your pain.
@@Jpaydirt really jeff?! you've seen her Au-naturall without under covers manhandling her do all sorts of tinkering LOL
So much for the family content on this one and I think it's safe to say that Cummins probably won't come to you and offer to sponsor you but it's obvious that is a rinky-dink setup and you did a pretty good job of explaining it 👍
Always exciting see people new to the n14 doing bearing rolls and after there all done you walk by and see one or two bering washers sitting on the ground🤣
just today I tried puttin these on! my dad was teachin me how to do them and at the end of the day i could put them the way theyre supposed to but this video helped me a lot to make sure i did things right! thank you so much for this video, you deserve more views!!!!
You should have asked how to do that job as you fought it more than you should have. I always tuck the long leg up in the top as far as it will go first the push it around until the bearing snaps on the washer. Then you stick the cap on straight and run the bolts in finger tight and square. Then take the hand sledge and bash the cap home right in. The center with one shot. Then you can run the bolts the rest of the way in.
well I started on the worst one first, when I opened the bearings some of them were jammed together and I mean jammed, like they were packing a box of cigarettes so the one I was installing was a bit stretched so every time it snaped in it would snap out with the slightest of disturbance, after this one they went fine, I had er dicked
@@Jpaydirt Looking forward to some oil pressure this week! :-)
Grandpa Cat, (14:50) when you play Barbies, you will forget all about the Cummins engineers.
I always put the bearing in the cap and the wedding ring on the bolts and slapped them in, we used STP and plenty of it . Never had a problem with them seating in. Always ran the caps up with a impact, a little at a time then toured them in. The first time is to get all the extra lube out and preload the cap,second time is too set the cap and bearing in place. Good luck.
Any man that can install those bearings has the right to play with Barbie's
WTF , hell of a way to engineer crank bearing replacement! Don’t blame you for the “F” bomb Jeff!
i have owned 8 different trucks over the past 35 yrs all had Cummins engines except for my current unit , its got a series 60 and i love it , its on its 2nd inframe as of this past fall, got 11 yrs out of the first inframe , but anyway all the Cummins engines i had were Big Cam versions or prior like my first truck had a shiny 290 , but after watching this series of videos on you freshening up this N14 i dont believe ill try one of these if i ever consider buying a different truck
Well the N14 is relegated to the dinosaur heap now, it was cummins best I hear and with good care would make it a million miles
Makes you appreciate Cat all the more
I have a 855 240 hp engine and overhauled it last year. What a pain in the ass and expensive. Couldn’t believe it prolly had 15000 in parts. And yes some of the dumb stuff they do in those engines makes you scratch your head and think who in the hell thought of this crap. Jeff keep going love the videos look forward to them every week😎
fella named rube goldberg from up north thought all that shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit up
Rebuilt a pile of n 14 Cummins never had a problem with the barings never used 2 wrenches in my life your making it way too difficult on yourself
If he didn't then he couldn't bitch, which seems to be the entire point of this video...
Well the Cummings Bible said to do it that way☻
Cummins manual is garbage I've never had Any luck following what they say
Been doing cummins for 36 years. Rolled more bearing then I can remember. Grease one of the thrust bearing to get it to stay up. Hammer in the middle of the main cap to seat it. Never had any problems.
Watch out Jeff your gonna hurt everyone’s fellings like when logger wade let one swear word slip and the whole fucking world fell apart. Some people can’t handle the real world.
its been a day or two but best i remember is you install the long side first and then listen for a click on the wedding ring (washer), all 855 blocks use this same type of bearing lock.
Tell us how you really feel Jeff 😂👍
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Maybe that .060. gap between the main bearing shell halves is to keep the bearings from spinning when heat up and expand when the oil pressure drops? LOL!!
not a gap but the lower extends into the block 60
Reminds me of working in the garage with my dad when I was a kid. He could really cuss up a storm.
That's different. Makes for a breathtaking 1st crank I'd imagine. Several minutes of nauseating oil pressure watchin followed by hours of lingering doubt. Got my fingers crossed for ya!
I checked the end play after each one, no end play equals something wong☻
Great video 👍 Jay You gotta be glad Cummins didn't ask a French engine designer to help 😆,you can only work on Cummins if you can spanner synchronize !🤣
Thinking, put the lower shell in the cap, extend the side that goes up into the block, .060 thou and carefully put it up as you did . I'd like to push, tap the cap close before pulling it down with the bolts, to try and feel that extended side enter the block .
When them grand babies want to play work has to stop! Lol
As soon as she said I want to play PaPa I knew Jeff was a done dude.😀😀
oh yah
I love using many profane words when things aren't going well. I like using some when things are going good also. One word is my ultimate favourite of all time. Excellent video Jeff. Sorry I laughed at your frustration. LOL.
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Another interesting video looking forward to the next one.
Glad you enjoyed it
Some times you just have to go with something that you already know. LOL..go with a cat .lol
Havent worked on an n14 since school but i was taught to use a screwdriver or small pry bar to pop the main bearings onto the journal, then install the cap, if i remember right. Wasnt anything to it really. Im a Cat guy but a 525 N14 is a bad dude.
I’ve never been able to perform an in frame. I just don’t have the patience to work on my back. I will pull the motor before supporting all that crap. I’m limited and not a professional mechanic.
Ok Jeff it’s time to tell the truth, what’s your secret in staying so calm? I would have already scraped the project with this new style cummapart or found a old school 3406B or better yet a 1693/425 pc! I do have some equipment with Cummins motors but the newest is 1984 - 250 naturally aspirated. No issues.
Oh my word Jeff, the "F" word..? And it being the "Sabbath" and all... Lol...!
Sir, I am not laughing at you by any means, but I have felt that kind of pain before, myself...
Jeff, it is great that you play "Barbies" with little ladies... They will remember those times years from now... "good on ya man"...
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I forgot how fun those bearings were to do🤣 it’s been a while since I’ve done those. I had a good chuckle.
Look on the bright side, you cussed them in. Sometimes you just have to. To me it doesn't make sense how they did those mains. Good luck and hopefully we'll get to hear her run soon. Great video and see you next time
LOL. No bleeps. Thanks for the honesty. We've all been there before.
Awe man! Now I gotta search the archives for some Ol' Kenny trucking content
check out the G.M. 16CLINDER FOR TRAIN ENG. BEARNING ABOUT 20 LB. 2 CLINDERS ON THE SAME BEARNING WITH A FLOATING ROD ON ONE SIDE OF BEARNING CAP. HELD ON WITH 2 STRAPS.
You're having all the fun, bearings and Barbies!
the two B's
5 minutes in and listening to you express your adoration for Cummings, only reinforces my philosophy that every phuquing engineer out there needs to ACTUALLY assemble/service/maintain the article they designed. I absolutely hate those weenies that think it is so cool to use 14 different size bolts/screws/head styles 'because...'
I swear a mechanic slept with an engineer’s wife and this is how they get revenge.
Lol that was the most refreshing video I’ve watched in a while.
Easy ish bearing to put in when the engine is upside down not so much fun doing an in frame.
Jeff I know your always looking for material for your videos. What about rescuing a old CAT motor from a grave and dropping it into your Petercar?
Well-
-I'm glad my bottom end on my n14 still has 32 lb of pressure above a 850 RPM. I'm not so sure about my top end cuz even when I'm down and out for the whole summer not working I'm down a gallon of coolant...
I choose the Cummins N14 because it gets better mileage than the Caterpillar ls I drove, on 50/50!after fuel compensation packages, and it has more power than the Detroit. Need I even mentioned Volvo?
If I were hauling heavy AND getting properly paid for hauling the weight for a 5-mile per gallon engine then may choose Caterpillar.
However, with the intermodal freight I haul, it's more dependent on customer and time frame than it is on weight so why do I bother with even anything over 30,000 lb?
I don't know how much in frame costs in labor but it can't be that much less than just renting a Gantry crane and pulling the engine out and putting in a used one. If the typical priced used one one on EBay last 12 months while you working on the one you pulled out, it's essentially paid for itself.
sure stepping on a lot of cummins guys toes jeff! i love it ha ha. we've only ever had one cummins around, a 4bt in a windrower, other than that all deere and cat engines.
I say the same stuff when working on cat
Are you ready for a 3406 B yet ...?
yup - th-cam.com/video/0A4znrLrM68/w-d-xo.html
Sounds like you were having the time of your life putting in them bearings NOT lol.
Nice shot of Old Kenny at the end.
All I could do was laugh☻
@@Jpaydirt somedays are like that.
@@Jpaydirt Hey, sometimes we have to laugh, when the only other option is crying 😂
Hi Jeff,
Those engines were assembled at the factory with the crank up, so gravity works with you. Guess Cummins never expected anyone to change bearings with the engine still in the truck. HaHa. Think I uttered as many of those words when I had to do the same job. You and the family stay safe.
we have an n14 red top in our kenworth, i hope to never have to do the crank... Engine is really strong, dont think you'll regret it.
Put some luber-plate or grease on the lower thrust washer and stick the to the crank before you try to put the cap on.
This is great had me laughing the hole time. Keep up the good work on the Studebaker.
Glad you enjoyed it
You can put the lower main shells in the caps...........will grenade in about 2 hrs . Seen a dude do that once .
I kinda wondered if anyone had done that
Oh my God, it just struck me as to how much of a pain it must be to change those bearing shells especially with that "washer" design as part of the setup? There is no ridge(s) on the back of the shell to guide or cradle it in too! What patience of Jeff to do this! Swearing helps.
You are a good grandfather. Awwww grand kids are funnier than hell.
Its good your a patient man, haven't laughed so much except when the pigs ate my baby brother. Just kidding thanks for the videos and stay safe.
LOL pigs ate your brother ha ha
I always put the lower in the cap and at the washer on it. Put a little grease on the thrust bearing to hold it to the cap. You had it right when you slide it on the dowel pin and it goes flush. You made this way harder than it is. If it doesn’t go flush with a gentle tap the washer probably moved. 2 wrenches? Never seen that before. The worst part of the whole thing is torquing them down.
Thrust bearings won't go in with the cap, you have to grease em the the crank, book said to use two wrenches or ratchets so I did as the book said, doing it anyother way is for someone who has some swearing time already clocked on a cummins , I'm a virgin, well not anymore lol after that No. 7 one I had it figured out and it went pretty well
@@Jpaydirt yeah. I got my swearing time already in. If you want to get real nasty start working on Volvos. Anything on them, body, engine etc. they will make you cuss. Ask anybody who has ever put a steering wheel adjustment cable in one. I’m glad I’m out of the business now.
You lov the Cummins like logger wade...you know it mang... haha
Jeff's gonna have to get new shirts / stickers with Cummins logos
@@patriot2164 L14 w a toliet seat around it... haha 😂 haha 😂
Hearing you say “fucking cummins”made my whole day 😂😂 I’d rather work on a DD15 than a N14.
Just remember the next time you purchase a truck make sure that it has a big yeller motor in it .But i think with your skills and talent you can get er done .
Thanks 👍
One thing you can rest assured of, the college-educated engineer that designed that, never installed one. In my experience, most engineers are educated beyond their intelligence.
In my experience, most people who make comments about engineers have never designed anything in their entire life...
That's why mechanics cuss and swear worse than sailors. If engineers turned a wrench on what they build, then the world of cars and trucks would be so different.
Not getting in this one LOL
It's more the process to getting to be an engineer is what's changed. 50-60 years ago many engineers started on the factory floor at the bottom like everybody else and over 20-30 years they worked their way up the ranks and progressed into design/development if they choose that path. Basically they were on the tools for a significant time before they moved onto design.
Now it seems to be high school to college/university to the drafting room.
It all comes back to money. That little c-bore is an easier feature to machine than the slot for a tang. Easier equals cheaper
The Wife saw that and said "Can Jeff come out and Play?"
hey Jeff
feel your pain . never been a Cummins fan . great sounding Jake but no real power.
Hard to compete with Cat.
No you put 1 thrust bearing the cap and let the other one rest on the main bearing and when you get the cap up past the rear housing just giggle the cap and the other thrust bearing will fall right on the cap and start the bolts a little and hold up against the cap and tap with a hammer to seat the cap Thanks Robert
Cummins techs.. would you when doing the Number 7 main cap.. have the number 6 cylinder positioned at Bottom dead center or somewhere down there to give you more room instead of being against the counterweight..
jeff.. what ever that white grease is you used.. is that cummins spec.. i only do gasoline engines and i only use Staylube Moly graphite assembly lube.. including on my valve stems and a little under the seals as a reservoir.. i have had white lithium grease gear harder when exposed to the air ..
yup the bible said use lubriplate assem. grease 105
Jeff's thinking I should just swing a 1693 in.
You were in rare form for this video.
Wooooow Jeff. My poor ol trucker ears lol. I'm glad you got her back together buddy
You and me both!
Watch Jeff go outside and kick his "super" dodge right in the door!. Hahaha Todd Konoske the retired trucker.
Need a Cummins wrench... it has two heads that turn the bolts at the same time...:)
I've done dozens of those Cummins mains over the last 44 yrs and if I was there I could show you how far off base you are doing this task. Sorry guy but it's a simple job when you learn the tricks of the trade. Tempted to call ya and reduce your stress.
Thanks Old Pete, I started on the hardest one, the bearing was a bit stretched from being dropped kicked by ups and compacted the bearings together, dam thing kept popping out, after I figured out how to make it work the rest went pretty easy, you been doing it for a long time, This is my first Cummins with the wedding bands, so I've consumated the deal and would now be a bit quicker and with 49% less swear words. it was still funny, I laughed at myself as I watched the footage, I could of edited out the stuff that made me look virgin ish lol but I chose to show it, hope you got a laugh too
im a big cummins guy and ive never seen a rear main like that before, in my experience at least
CAT man working on a cummins clean version
Those n14's were bad about the main caps fretting. Make sure you check for that or you're going to have a bad day.
They were good and tight and very little fretting, but a lot of fretting on my end LOL
Was your engine knocking with the bearings being that worn? Let me know please. It will help me decide if mine is even worth attempting a roll in.
Cummins is odd, 80's Cummins was extremely odd. Low flow cooling systems, low pressure lube oil systems. Have to set the crank to adjust the valves for each cylinder, rather than 2 positions like everyone else, gets tiresome on a 12 cylinder engine. I've never been into the bottom of one and now I'm glad.
Looks easy on the bench!!
Could the 60 thousandths offset be for not letting oil out at seam?
So what your saying is, the N14 Cummins is your favorite engine to work on lol
LOL!
I posted my comment before it and hitting this section where you put the bearing in the wrong way:
"F*** Cummins; stupid idiots; F*** them"...
....oops
"F*** me! I am putting it in the wrong way!"
Classic!
Ahh the little ones are hilarious
Kids. We want to play poppa
Poppa. Ok Kids where going to play clean the garage
Pick up tools and put them on the bench
Then come see me
Start em early lol
Awesome video
Jeff
Keep them coming
How about the cat c-13
Bahaha😂🤣😂🤣 Jeff you’ve just had it too good for too long working on CATs.... That Cummins is going make you appreciate them Yellow motors...
I hate when engineering tries to reinvent the wheel. The bearing tangs have been working for 75 years and then a brainiac comes along and tries a new science project.
Wrong wrong it was not no brainiac. His brothers mothers uncle's sister owns a washer factory. So they had to find a use for her Washers.
That idea was probably designed by a pommy engineer, YUK, YUK , YUK.
Sounded like between the main bearings and the Barbie dolls. That you were having more fun than legally allowed..
A quick question out of curiosity. For your Diesel engines, what brand of motor do you run?
Easy peasy you made it harder than it has to be, never used two wrenches to put caps up, snap in the bearing & gun run em down & torque em done deal. And yes I'm a Cummins technician.
Well you are a well seasoned Cummings☻ mech. and are comfortable with what your doing, me.....I'm a virgin with this one so I followed the Kinsey Manual LOL Cummins manual
@@Jpaydirt not gonna lie though my first time doing those took a bit of time, was used to tang style bearings on Macks, thank God Cummins switched to those on the ISX engines. And kudos to you for not giving up, job well done sir & take care.
First I want to say I, not a Cummins fan but Caterpillar will not give us truck engines anymore. The N 14 was known for having main bearing problems some series were worse than others some have no issues. The problem is main bearing fretting. I suspect that the engine you have may be suffering from this problem. If it is after putting the new main bearing in the engine it will run a short amount of time and the crank will cees in the block. This is a common problem within 14 when people change the main bearings without realizing they have a main bearing fretting issues. When this happens the engine is scrap as both the crank in the block are damaged. If the engine block has a fretting problem the block can be machine and line board to alleviate the problem saving the engine block and crank. I am not saying you have this problem but I am very suspicious that this engine has a fretting issue. You should of plastic gage all main bearings prior to final assembly with the new bearings it may give you a hint of what is going on.
Best of luck
I thought the pete dumping rig had a cat engine not a cummings my bad! I didnt know california outlawed cummings engines too, I guess only horse and buggies are acceptable for ca emissions.
nope,road apples and urea, bad for bicycles,brought to them along with their spandex in a Truck
This reminds me of going from Cummins to working on Cats and the first time stringing up the rocker arm assembly on the 7 liter engines....rubber bands, really???!!! There is no perfect engine and when you work on a lot of them, you realize they could easily make a perfect engine, but they like screwing with mechanics so the tradition continues haha!
Every time you start up I start humming Jerry Reed.
That has got to be a first...Barbie in bib overalls.
Ya quiero escucharlo en la autopista. Escuchar ese freno de motor ✊😔
Hey whats with all the swear word LOL
1988 I was blessed with a beautiful baby girl.And then we will go shopping. I spent a lot of shopping days I had Toys “R” Us on the Barbie I’ll.
Hay Jeff u know why there's no pregnant barbie cause Ken came in a different box
We ran QSK 78’s in our mining haul trucks. 12 turbos buried on top and one side pistons were larger than the other for balance. They all got pulled for Detroit’s when the gear cases kept eating itself and blowing up. I feel your pain and don’t like Cummins. New emissions are making things worse.
is that 78 liters?
@@Jpaydirt I never looked up that spec but I think you’re probably right on that. It was in our 930E Komatsu trucks and is a 18 cylinder.
You cuss like a northerner, Jeff! 😂 hopefully you won’t have any more problems