I love how reductive Axe's gameplan really is. If he can get those tech chases consistently, Puff really doesn't get to play at all with her awful OoS options on wakeup.
Another fresh Blue Fox taking Hbox to the limit. I can see Axe getting that modern-era win on Hbox before long like this. How could you not with tech skill and game sense this high?
there’s potential there let’s hope it works out for him. Sad someone else had to resort to fox though, that’s the kind of thing where you kinda have to commit to it fully
@@diafam3662 It's honestly better for Axe to just go Fox, I mean, Axe only ever won a set once, at MLG Anaheim 2014 (Hbox's worst year pre-quarantine). Hbox stops him from progressing in bracket all other times. And let's be real, would you rather see Axe beat Hbox with Pikachu one more time (hypothetically), and then never beat him again, or would you rather Axe switches to Fox, he and Hungrybox go back and forth (again, hypothetically, and also hopefully), and Axe can actually advance further in bracket, as he can now beat his biggest demon of all time who's name isn't Armada
@@Michael-hc2hp I want axe to win regardless of course, I just wish there wasn’t a barrier to him doing it with pikachu that could have been easily avoided if there weren’t so many jiggs apologists out there. Another fox is a bit of a disappointment but if he won I’d be really proud of him
There’s something Mew2King-esque about Axe’s Fox in this matchup. (And only this matchup.) The downthrow stuff and the second-hit-only upthrow upair and keeping the distance and short hop double lasers… but while M2K didn’t always get it right, here Axe is doing is correctly. Great set, love both of these players! edit: Brandon consistently showing to be a great person to have in this community.
M2K's biggest problem with his Fox, is his playstyle was too predictable, M2K would run to either side of the stage, giving up stage control to Hungrybox for free, and then he would shoot some lasers, and then approach, usually with a full hop nair, sometimes with an up smash, rinse repeat Double laser Double laser Full hop nair
@@Michael-hc2hp M2K rarely found the right balance for this matchup-it would often be complacent and sometimes downright lazy. But I didn’t see many others do second-hit uairs after upthrow like he did!
@@thegoodgeneral Definitely M2K was one of the best at converting the grab into a kill in this matchup, he would usually get either second hit, or be so inside Puff that Hbox would need INSANE SDI to get out
Or maybe axe is just the better technical player and doesn’t have to get carried by a character that requires no tech skill and has a 1-hit kill button? That can fly?
Can we get the stat on how many consecutive game 5 sets axe has lost in a row I feel like it’s at least 10 or something poor guy never seems to win game 5s
Drifting in the air, it’s like a dash dance but you don’t have to slam the stick left and right to increase the count. Doesn’t take away anything though, Juan is sick AF.
@@venuswine9905 bair camp and flying off the stage for an easy gimp? Meh..puffs defense and movement options are just too optimal and easy compared to every other character
@@venuswine9905 it’s very simple compared to the tech skill you’d have to have to pull off gimps and KOs like fox does. Doesn’t even really require a lot of thought either.. it was just flying around bair spam, covering multiple group and air options.. then the spam manages to hit fox off and then you fly around and cover the entire edge/off stage easily going wherever you want practically.. just goofy imo. At least very little compared to what you have to do as another character
@@peterparker9042 it is when your character can fly/hover/rising pound and doesn’t really have to think about where they’re going to go or do hard reads cause you can cover multiple options easily
Axe trained a fresh character with a whole new meta for this. It was SO IMPRESSIVE!
i think this is the best set of this entire summit
had me on the edge of my seat the whole time
brothers and sisters of the comment section I did not anticipate jmook vs hbox to be like that
THAT was the best set
clutchbox strikes again
@@Player_0914 Jmook legit had that set if he charged up smash instead of doing the lightning kick.
@@peterparker9042 wrong
@@peterparker9042 how could you be so sure yet so wrong?
Even though Axe lost, this was an amazing set, and I loved the way Axe played, he now plays the matchup so much better than he did at Smash Con
I love how reductive Axe's gameplan really is. If he can get those tech chases consistently, Puff really doesn't get to play at all with her awful OoS options on wakeup.
Another fresh Blue Fox taking Hbox to the limit. I can see Axe getting that modern-era win on Hbox before long like this. How could you not with tech skill and game sense this high?
there’s potential there let’s hope it works out for him. Sad someone else had to resort to fox though, that’s the kind of thing where you kinda have to commit to it fully
@@diafam3662 It's honestly better for Axe to just go Fox, I mean, Axe only ever won a set once, at MLG Anaheim 2014 (Hbox's worst year pre-quarantine). Hbox stops him from progressing in bracket all other times. And let's be real, would you rather see Axe beat Hbox with Pikachu one more time (hypothetically), and then never beat him again, or would you rather Axe switches to Fox, he and Hungrybox go back and forth (again, hypothetically, and also hopefully), and Axe can actually advance further in bracket, as he can now beat his biggest demon of all time who's name isn't Armada
@@Michael-hc2hp I want axe to win regardless of course, I just wish there wasn’t a barrier to him doing it with pikachu that could have been easily avoided if there weren’t so many jiggs apologists out there. Another fox is a bit of a disappointment but if he won I’d be really proud of him
Everyone was hating on the down throw chains, but Axe is literally built to play the game doing 1% on every hit, he's a pikachu main
Axe just changed the Fox meta. More people need to dthrow now.
There’s something Mew2King-esque about Axe’s Fox in this matchup. (And only this matchup.) The downthrow stuff and the second-hit-only upthrow upair and keeping the distance and short hop double lasers… but while M2K didn’t always get it right, here Axe is doing is correctly.
Great set, love both of these players!
edit: Brandon consistently showing to be a great person to have in this community.
M2K's biggest problem with his Fox, is his playstyle was too predictable, M2K would run to either side of the stage, giving up stage control to Hungrybox for free, and then he would shoot some lasers, and then approach, usually with a full hop nair, sometimes with an up smash, rinse repeat
Double laser
Double laser
Full hop nair
@@Michael-hc2hp M2K rarely found the right balance for this matchup-it would often be complacent and sometimes downright lazy. But I didn’t see many others do second-hit uairs after upthrow like he did!
@@thegoodgeneral Definitely M2K was one of the best at converting the grab into a kill in this matchup, he would usually get either second hit, or be so inside Puff that Hbox would need INSANE SDI to get out
Matchup is so bad that a secondary that's barely used in tournament can go game 5 against hbox.
Leffen: wE nEeD aN aIr TiMe LiMiT
Or maybe axe is just the better technical player and doesn’t have to get carried by a character that requires no tech skill and has a 1-hit kill button? That can fly?
@@diafam3662 right thats why there are swarms of puffs winning majors left and right, bc shes so much easier to play than fox... oh wait
@@piguru925 or maybe they just haven’t played her since the beginning of time or they know not to play such a lame-o char :)
@@diafam3662 tell me you're a leffen dickrider without telling you're a leffen dickrider.
@@diafam3662 Ratio + L take
This is a huge improvement for Axe the last time he went Fox. If he played the character more, I think he would of had it.
that was hype, wow
Super rough year for Axe... so many choked G5s, hopefully he rebounds in 2023
Yeah imagine if he clutched most of them. Would easily be top 3.
I love Axe’s utilization of downthrow
Damn that was so close
I remember watching him experiment with those down throws on stream and wondering why its working. lol
This set was sooooo fire! Axe played incredible aswell as Hbox! Amazing set between two fantastic players.
Axe's f-smash game 5 was so sick! Good games by both players
he just can’t stop clutching out G5s
This is absurdly impressive, I really did not think Axe would run Hbox this close so soon after making the switch
Love Joshman on comms every time
I was here.
Axe played CRAZY!
Can we get the stat on how many consecutive game 5 sets axe has lost in a row I feel like it’s at least 10 or something poor guy never seems to win game 5s
I believed in axe until I realized it went to get last stock. Clutchgod never loses when in his domain
Wonder what That Song is called that was playing During the interview with hungrybox
good showing from both!
I think his fox will some day win a major.
When axe got the win against HBOX on dreamland, I did a mini pop off lmao. Let’s go man!!! Axe’s fox is fucking great!
what a good game
Hbox gonna go from amped to sweating when he sees axe in bracket from now on tho 👀
This comment section has the most puff doomer pilled person I have ever seen 🍿
Wow hbox REALLY changed the pace of the game😂
The future looking bright for axe rn, there's a chance
BRUH if Axe switched to fox he would be the best in the world... he shouldn't, his pika is just too hype, but he's a goat in his own right
It’s a fox just for hbox, it’s only for this mu
@@SRM13 I know that? That’s not what I said lol
@@loganowens623 axe would not be best player in the world if he was only fox goofy
@@SRM13 I’m speculating, and hyperbolizing lol I’m just a huge axe fan and this set was nutty
@@loganowens623 it defientley was
Axe is so hype. Especially game 2 and game 3
Commentators are much Much better than ultimate ludwick Thanks for staying professional
Yyyeeah Axe is gonna win his next major soon. Mark my words.
Nice vid
I came here for Puff but damn, Axe stole the show!
hbox got clowned in this game regardless
you only think that because you want to think that. hater.
@@GarredHATES you're so cool
20:25 I don't wanna hear anybody say Fox is more technical than puff after seeing this
it counts different drift angles which is why hbox has high apm
Drifting in the air, it’s like a dash dance but you don’t have to slam the stick left and right to increase the count.
Doesn’t take away anything though, Juan is sick AF.
First
second
Another talented player going fox to try to counter campbox. Let’s hope it works out for him in the future
16:45 so easy to gimp with puff, yawn 17:52 bleh.
18:20 grab miss to bair spam and gimp cheese. GG
All offset by how hype 14:50 was though
@@venuswine9905 bair camp and flying off the stage for an easy gimp? Meh..puffs defense and movement options are just too optimal and easy compared to every other character
@@diafam3662 was sick as hell I was popping off watching it
@@venuswine9905 it’s very simple compared to the tech skill you’d have to have to pull off gimps and KOs like fox does. Doesn’t even really require a lot of thought either.. it was just flying around bair spam, covering multiple group and air options.. then the spam manages to hit fox off and then you fly around and cover the entire edge/off stage easily going wherever you want practically.. just goofy imo. At least very little compared to what you have to do as another character
That was the shitiest cheesiest ending to a set I've seen in my life
Not a fan of clutchbox?
Cry more lmao
So edge-guarding is considered shitty and cheesy now? I guess over half of all the kills that happen in melee are all shitty and cheesy then.
@@peterparker9042 it is when your character can fly/hover/rising pound and doesn’t really have to think about where they’re going to go or do hard reads cause you can cover multiple options easily
@@diafam3662 Yeah Puff is so easy and unfair. Wonder why Hbox is the only puff winning tournaments then.