What bugs me the most is how the magnemite counterpart gets three evos but the zubat counterpart only gets 2. Swoobat is in definite need of a third evo
@@jackdorsey7820I feel like that doesn’t change fact they’re basically the same of being a steel type heavily based on man made objects. Omission is so clear it feels strange.
I would say Genesect is a counterpart to Mewtwo, since they're both artificially created pokemon, and they both have the colour purple in their designs.
I'd argue that the Whimsicott and Liligant lines are also counterparts to the Vileplume and Victreebell lines because they're both version exclusive Grass lines which evolve using stones.
The problem with this is that they aren't exactly counterparts, because Oddish and Bellsprout lines are 3 stage, while Cottonee and Petilil lines are 2 stage.
something i read that i really like is that the trubbish, koffing, and grimer lines work as a trio. all three obviously are the token poison types, as well as being based on different kinds of pollution. Trubbish = Land, Koffing = Air, Grimer = Water
I don't think Trubbish is so much a counterpart to Grimer or Koffing as _completing a set_ with them: Grimer is water pollution, Koffing is air pollution, Trubbish is land pollution. Four generations later, the arrival of Trubbish finally completes the "Pollution Trio". ❤
I know I'm in somekind of minority here, but for me the fact that you could not catch any old Pokemon till postgame was one of the best features of Black and White. It just felt... completely new adventure. It felt fresh. But still familiar enough with some clearer counterparts. Especially since the Gen 4 invested heavily to evolutions for older mons, so in early game you're stucked with encountering your billionth Geodude or Ponyta. Also Black and White was the gen I came back to Pokemon after being away for a while. I think that's why I love this decision and this gen so much. It was a perfect game for coming back to the series.
SAME! this "criticism" of B/W always rubbed me the wrong way!! like, how dare they challenge themselves creatively instead of relying on the safety net of the previous games? also it makes sense geographically since gens 1-4 were based on japan, and gen 5 was based on the US, which is in an entirely different continent and would have unique wildlife
@@phil2160 Klinklang is nice design in my opinion, much better than magnezone. Even tho for some reason some people dislike it. I am not a big fan of swords of justice, but that is the same for many legendary pokémon.
You forgot: -Clefairy and Elgyem line(both 2 stage Pokémon who are said to be from space) -gothita and abra line(both 3 stage psychic types who belong to the same egg group: human-like) -vulpix and zorua line(both are 2 stage fox Pokémon, who are based off mythical foxes that make illusions) -Omanyte and Tirtouga line(both are 2 stage water/rock types who are prehistoric) -Growlithe and Darumaka line(both are 2 stage fire types that resemble animals from Asian mythology) -Klink and magnemite line(both are 3 stage steel types who gain an extra head during evolution, plus a larger one)
@@alex_trem0 Yeah that was my mistake, I mistook them for part electric types. Nonetheless, I found a better reason to call them counterparts of magnemite.
This was my initial idea for the longest time, but I think Sandshrew actually makes more sense. Or Drilbur's line could represent both Sandshrew and Diglett's.
@@PKmeloaAesthetically, body shape and arms/claws, they're much more closer to Sandshrew and Sandslash, despite being moles. It's their silhouettes that are similar and share the same idea -- bipedal, stocky, ground rodent-like creatures. Arcanine and Stoutland are both dogs but that's all they share in common. Excadrill and Dugtrio are moles and share the ground typing but that's as far as it goes.
Fearow - Mandibuzz (Two stage Mean birds) Arbok - Scrafty (Gen 3 Beta version looked a lot more like a snake and they are both used by evil teams) Venomoth - Volcarona (Moths) Primeape - Mienshao (Fighting animals) Magneton - Klingklang (Multiplying + steel type) Tangela - Maractus (Single stage grass type) Starmie - Beheeyem (Both aliens) Scizor - Escavalier (Bugs that evolve to Bug/Steel) Pinsir - Accelgor (Bugs that have something stolen from them, Shelmet loses its shell and Pinsir didn’t get to evolve alongside Scyther) Magmar - Heatmor (Single stage fire type) Ditto - Zoroark (Transform/Illusion) Vaporeon - Simipour Jolteon - Simisage Flareon - Simisear (Trio of different types that evolve from stones) Omastar/Kabutops - Carracosta Aerodactyl - Archeops (Same typing) Snorlax - Darmanitan (Both found as sleeping npcs and you have to interact with them to battle) Articuno - Kyurem Zapdos - Zekrom Moltres - Reshiram (Same typing but dragon instead of flying) Mewtwo - Genesect (Manmade in labs) Mew - Victini (Both small psychic type mythicals)
A lot of these are huge stretches while I’ll admit some make sense but just cause they share a same type doesn’t mean they’re copy’s the eeveelutions all evolve from the same Pokémon eevee the monkey trio are all separate pokemon lines scrafty and arbok are completely different most evil teams use poison and dark types so that doesn’t matter at all and pinsir and accelgor just don’t make sense pinsir not getting an evolution doesn’t mean something was stolen from it
THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE I was always wondering why Scrafty had the Shed Skin ability which is mostly snakes. I thought maybe it has something to do with shedding clothes.
I noticed this, but I’ve never seen anyone else talk about it! I’d also say that Zorua and Zoroark are counterparts of Vulpix and Ninetales, as both are two stage kitsune-inspired Pokémon. Great video!
There's more for Voltorb and Foongus than being designed like a Pokéball. They share a unique mechanic, being the only proper mimics. They can be static encounters that use the exact same sprite as regular overworld items and are intended to trick players.
The "Psy" in Psyduck's name is a stupid localization thing. Its JP name is Koduck. If they had translated it properly, its name would probably be "Kiduck". Kid + Duck because "Ko" was probably a play on the word "kodomo" for "kid".
@@cupie2255 Except it only gets them through headaches and its pokedex entries state with Golduck that it is an excellent swimmer more than psychic powers
@@dorkenspache8353 Anyone who watched the anime growing up is NOT remembering Psyduck for its swimming ! idk what the point of bringing up Golduck here is even.
@@cupie2255 I also remember the anime showing real life animals in the first season. I bring up Golduck because...it's part of Psyduck's line?? Like do you not get that? Anyway, no, just because it gets psychic headaches doesn't mean it is part Psychic. And knowing like 4 psychic moves through level up doesn't mean anything either. Psyduck and Golduck aren't psychic types since they are based on the Kappa, which is not known to have any psychic powers, and all dex entries with the evolution Golduck talk about it's excellent swimming capabilities.
Also almost all generations have counterparts Kanto: Rapidash/Unova: Zebstrika/Alola:Mudsdale Pikaclones and Route 1 bugs/rodents/birds Pseudo legendary dragons Jotho: Ursaring/Unova: Beartic/Kalos: Pangoro Hoenn: Gardevoir/Unova: Gothitelle/Kalos: Florgess/Galar: Hatterene Kanto: Pinsir/Jotho: Heracross Kanto: Ekans/Galar: Silicobra And so many more
Mankey and Darumaka lines are kinda counterparts to each other, they're both 2 stage monkeys wich have angry final forms (at the time of gen 5). Also, Klink could very well be a counterpart to magnemite, as they're both floating object pokémon related to magnetism, have the steel type and have a similar colour scheme.
The Tirtouga line is a parallel to the Omanyte and Kabuto lines (rock/water fossils) whereas the Archen line is a parallel to aerodactyl (rock/flying fossils) The Zorua and vulpix lines are also parallels, considering Kitsune in mythology have the ability to disguise themselves. The Gothita line are definitely parallel to the clefairy line, as both are not just psychic, but tied to space and the astrological side of psychic ability. Although the immediate thought to who could be a counterpart to the growlithe line is the lilipup line, it's probably actually the larvesta line, they're both fire type Pokémon surrounded by myths and legends, whilst not actually being legendary. I agree that the litwick line isn't necessarily a gastly line counterpart, however I think they split the gastly line counterpart between the yamask and litwick lines. Gastly fits with Litwick, but Haunter doesn't quite fit with the vibe of the Lampent, but it especially does with cofagrigus, but then Gengar feels fitting with both Chancelure and Cofagrigus. The legendary Djinn trio are counterparts to the legendary birds trio as they are all legendary weather tros specifically. Victini is probably the counterpart to mew, as both are considered excellent omens and are mythical pokemon.
I personally think that the minccino line is meant to be the counterpart to eevee (the cute fluffy normal type with big eyes and large ears that evolves with a stone). There's also the meowth line and the purloin line (two bipedal cats that evolve into larger quadruped cats and are tied to the plot of the evil team). I also think that Victini is the mew counterpart (the cute psychic type that has a special spot in the pokedex). And that genesect is the Mewtwo parallel (the powerful purple pokemon created through experimentation done by an evil team).
And speaking of Hoenn counterparts, the obvious Alomomola and Luvdisc (we actually believed the former would evolve from the latter before the game dropped, lol). Unova does mostly reference either Kanto Pokémon or simply series-wide archetypes, but other regions are referenced too as these two Hoenn examples demonstrate. ❤
These are just my observations, a lot of stretching and I don't claim to all be true. I completely respect you if you disagree: Snorlax and Beatrix are both big bears and could be considered counterparts. Even though Munchlax came in Gen's later, they both are still two-staged lines. I think Vanilluxe is the Unovan version of Weezing, similar idea of two conjoined heads, other than that, not much else in common. Whimsicott and Lilligant's lines are counterparts those of Victreebel and Vileplume, Grass lines that require stones and are version exclusives (sorta). Vileplume and Lilligant have the whole flower-on-head thing going. Magnemite line = Klink line, three staged lines that have the Steel type. Magneton just needs a stone to evolve. This is controversial, but I think Eevee could be counterpart to the three monkeys, simply cause of the three stone evolutions thing having similar body shapes. Gen 5 just refused to do branch evos fsr. Lapras = Alomomola, single stage Water types known for their gentle nature and tendency to help other Pokémon and humans. Slowbro and Shellder's lines are counterparts of the Karrablast and Shelmet lines. Both lines require each other to evolve specifically. Shellder and Shelmet both have the clammy thing going. Slowbro and Escavalier are both wearing shells on their bodies. The lines within their resp. regions share a type. Mankey line = Meinfoo line, Fighting type two-stage mammals is all I got for this one Axew's line can also be the Nido's counterparts. Both are Dinosaur-like three-stagers, although different types. The gender difference thing just went to Frillish's line. While we're on gender exclusivity, Rufflet's and Vullaby's lines being exclusively male and female respectively can also take after the Nido's. Abra's line has two Unovan counterparts: Gothita and Solosis' lines. All pure Psychic three-stagers. Exeggcute and Ferroseed are both egg-shaped Grass types with one evolution. Besides that I don't see any other relations. Venonat line = Larvesta line. Both evolve into moths, even though one is much stronger than the other. That's all I've got for now. This leaves a lot of lines still open.
*I would say that:* - Cinccino: Has been confirmed to be the Clefable of Unova (according to Dr. Lava videos) - Liligant: Vileplume, literally. Accord to Dr. Lava's video, it used to have a middle evolution. *Personal theory:* _Gen5 gimmick is "Gen1 but urban/domesticated instead of wild"._ - Leavanny: Fusion of Butterfree and Scyther (I guess Scolipede is Fusion of Beedrill and Pinsir?) - Excadrill: Fusion of Sandslash and Dugtrio. - Simisage, sear and pour: Electabuzz, Magmar and Jynx (and perhaps Eevee). The latter where the "boo" trio, or the "punching trio". Even Simisage/Electabuzz are energetic, Simisear/Magmar have that smug face, and Simipour/Jynx more on the feminine side. - Krookodile, Maractus and Sawsbuck: probably a reference to beta "Crocodile", "Cactus" and "Deer" Pokémon in generation 1 early beta. - Tirtouga: Appears in early promotion art for Generation 2 with early Tyranitar and early Hitmontop. - Vanilluxe: Weezing, for the dual head and the smoke being changed to mist. - Klinklang: Magneton / Magnezone. - Eelektross: Maybe a Gyarados? - Golurk: It was the Mecha Pokémon in beta. The one who was at Mew hex placement. - Mandibuzz: Fearow, apparently? *Late leak:* - Scraggy: the late leak suggested it was an idea from Gen3. - Archeops: probably based on early Sceptile from Gen 3. Oddly, beta Scraggy and beta Sceptile from Gen3 were linked in a evolution line.
there are some pokemon that are orginal designs or based on other gens. Luvdisc and Almomola is a very good example of this. Krook is just the genre of aquatic or semi-aquatic animals in the desert, like hippowdon or garchomp. Simi's solely exist to teach you about type match ups. Eelektross and Golurk are both original and Golurk is supposed to be the statue of liberty combined with the golem of prague.
Personal theory: Gen5 gimmick is "Gen1 but urban/domesticated instead of wild". cool, but Gen 5 gimmick was Triple Battle/Rotate Battle, and that thing about urban/domesticated doesn´t even makes sense, Kanto is THE region with less natural locations in all regions so far
@@BrunoCaruso-wz7pg don’t forget weather in standard play (politoed and ninetales) as well as hidden abilities as a whole since they were way more impactful then triple/rotation
@@buchinyan1019 oh true, I really forgot about hidden abilities being introduced in gen 5, and instead of weather in that sense, I would say the in-game seasons were a gimmick as well...the triple/rotation battles weren´t impactful, but they really were the new thing they tried to sell as the main reason to buy Unova games at the time
I find slightly interesting that in all the "which one is it a counterpart to?" cases, one of my first thoughts while playing through Pokémon Red was, "Why do both of these exist in the same version? it feels like the same thing twice."
So according to the huge leak that occurred, Blitzle and Zebstrika were originally a single stage pokemon and got split into a 2 stage later in development
I appreciate the love you still have for these pokemon despite bringing up how similar they are. Especially when you bring up that they're not similar because of the animals they're based on, but the role they fulfill. I deadass saw a video on TH-cam that claimed Eiscue was a rip off of Prinplup because they're both penguins...... 😑
So I thought of this idea for a Pokemon fan game that does a downplayed take on the Unova’s New Pokemon Only thing where Old Pokemon can appear if they got something new like an evolution, pre-evolution, regional form, etc. Some of the ideas of Pokemon I had did what Unova did except for Pokemon from other generations * Fairy/Psychic type Machop and Machoke regional variant with two split evolutions one pf which is part Fighting type (Though it’d be Fairy/Fighting). This line serves as a counterpart to the Ralts line. * Meowth gets a Pre-evolution while Persian has a stat boost so that the line can act as a counterpart to the Lillipup line in that both are three stage normal type lines. * Kotora from Gold and Silver beta would be brought back as an Early Route Electric type akin to Mareep and Shinx.
since they introduced Regional Evolutions in gen 8, expanding the possibilities for Regional Forms, that argument became SOOO stupid, to the point we get Regional Forms in gen 8 (Yamask, Mr. Mime, Linoone, Corsola and Farfetch´s) and 9 (Wooper) that evolves into different pokémon (Runegrigus, Mr. Rime, Obstagoon, Cursola, Sirfetch´d...and the not-so-different Clodsire), and even brought back crossgen evolutions and branched evolutions because of it (instead of going the Digimon route with Mega Evolutions making us suffer by not evolving Sableye, Mawile and many other pokémon that NEED for an evolution)... now, if you would criticize Convergent Evolutions, I would understand, they didn´t get much far with that concept (YET...they probably could do something similar with those Regional Forms that evolve into new pokémon and making new pokémon that look like old single-stage or double-stage pokémon evolving further and becoming completely different to their old look-alikes)
@@BrunoCaruso-wz7pg Funny you should mention some of those regional form exclusive evolutions. 1. By being attached to a regional form of a pre-existing Pokemon, their concept, identity, and lore are all intrinsically connected to the original, so the same problem still applies even if we do get completely new designs 2. Regional forms getting exclusive evolutions really sucks when their original forms don't have counterpart forms, so pokemon like Mr. Rime, Obstagoon, and Cursola are actually part of the problem. It amuses me when people say that Farfetch'd received a buff in the form of a regional form with an exclusive evo, because Farfetch'd is still right there, weak and useless 3. Convergent Pokemon are fundamentally the same as regional forms. So any criticism towards one could likely be levied towards the other
@@michaeleanthonyjr 1. I think it isn´t necessarily a bad thing? Rather, it´s an opportunity to explore the same pokémon through different perspectives, even expanding their lores...Alolan Raichu brought back very sweet Surfing Pikachu memories, both from the mini-game in Yellow Version and the blue-eyed Pikachu from that anime episode (and it´s really more interesting and appealing than regular Raichu), Alolan Marowak made Cubone and Marowak lore stronger (and Alolan Marowak´s design is COOL AS FUCK), Alolan Meowth/Persian/Ratatta/Raticate/Grimer/Muk basically are Game Freak saying that those pokémon could totally have became Dark-types in gen 2 but they didn´t realized it, and because of that Kanto has only the Magnemite line representing one of the two new types introduced in gen 2 (Steel, in this case), and after gen 6 introducing the Fairy-type, changing the types for the Clefairy line, the Jigglypuff line and Mr.Mime line and giving us Sylveon, Kanto really ended up as the only region without Dark-type pokémon...then, the Galarian evolutions started to explore the possibilities of bringing cross-gen evolutions back from the gen 4 evolutionary combo controversy (at the time, people REALLY had a rough time trying to accept the majority of cross-gen evos introduced, specially Togekiss, Magnezone, Rhyperior, Probopass...well, some of them still aren´t well-received by many fans)...so again, Regional Evolution as a concept is really good because allows them to fix some things they didn´t thought about it back then, or simply to making old pokémon refreshing, updated...is not that difficult to understand WHY gen 1 received so many Regional Forms and was used as the introduction for the Regional gimmick, because many gen 1 designs are outdated, to the point even gen 2 having designs more compatible with recent pokémon generation´s designs) 2. the only thing I don´t like about Regional evolutions is that you must have the Regional Form to get the Regional Evolution, so pretty much I dislike the fact I can ONLY evolve my Pikachu, Cubone or Exeggcute into Alolan Raichu, Marowak or Exeggutor IN ALOLA, I can ONLY evolve my Mime Jr. into Galarian Mr. Mime IN GALAR and then I can get a Mr. Rime, I can ONLY have a Hisuian Sliggoo, a Hisuian Lilligant, a Hisuian Avalugg and a Hisuian Braviary IN HISUI, and that makes those pokémon REALLY RARE without transfering or without some in-game event or if they simply don´t add them to the game (and now at least can have an Alolan Raichu and Alolan Exeggutor without transferring from Alola games BUT I CAN´T STILL BREED A PIKACHU OR AN EXEGGCUTE WITH GOOD IVs AND EVOLVING THEM INTO THEIR ALOLAN FORMS WITHOUT HAVING TO PLAY THE ALOLA GAMES AGAIN, WHICH MEANS I MUST HAVE A 3DS, I MUST HAVE ANOTHER CONSOLE JUST TO HAVE A POKÉMON, THAT´S CRAZY)...but I don´t really care about regular Farfetch´d not having an evoution if I can have a Sirfetch´d through Galarian Farfetch´d, and actually the possibility of regular Farfetch´d evolving into a Regional Sirfetch´d or even another completely different pokémon is good for me, specially now that we had simple evolutions for Girafarig, Dunsparce, Bisharp, Primeape, Stantler, Basculin, Ursaring and even a new split-evolution for Scyther...all of it makes me way more excited, unlike Mega Evolutions that made me very upset seeing awesome designs being used in non-permanent evolutions for pokémon that NEED and DESERVE it 3. Yes, Convergent Pokémon still is a very strange concept from a mechanical aspect, being basically identical to older pokémon with different types but actually being entirely different things, BUT as I said, if they explore this concept further like they did with Regional Evolutions in gen 8, then I think it could become something interesting, by a conceptual point of view (which is what I still love about Pokémon, the way they keep those creatures referencing how real-life creatures and biology works)
@@BrunoCaruso-wz7pg 1. Alolan Raichu is actually one of the regional variants that I would argue is better in execution because it feels more akin to something like Politoed and Bellossom, but simply shares its name with its Kantonian counterpart. And while it isn't as unique as those two are from their counterparts, I think it is one of those mons that does a better job at separating itself while still feeling related. The Alolan Marowak form could very easily have been an evolution akin to what they've done with Annihilape (But I acknowledge that the devs weren't considering that route when building off of older pokemon yet). The note regarding all the Kanto mons being given dark type regional variants doesn't compel me because I think Purrloin is a much more interesting spin on a dark type Meowth, than just making Meowth, but again. I agree that it was a missed opportunity to change the types of some Pokémon in gen 2 to dark type, but I don't even think that the devs were necessarily considering that when making the decisions to modify those pokemon. I don't even believe that the devs would be convinced that Raticate should even be a dark type, for example. But the idea that regional forms "fix" these missed opportunities is fundamentally false based on the arguments you presented. Making a Dark type version of Meowth isn't the same as changing Meowth's type to dark akin to a retcon like with Fairy Types. And it isn't refreshing to old pokemon to make a new version of that old pokemon because the old pokemon may still go unused, especially if you can't even access its older version in a newer game, or if the newer version gets a unique evolution and the older version has no equivalent. Who is going to use Hoennian Linoone over the one that turns into Obstagoon? Even in a casual playthrough of a game, that's just putting yourself at an unnecessary disadvantage unless H-Linoone has a niche that G-Linoone or Obstagoon can't fit. And H-Linoone can't even benefit from Eviolite since it can't evolve. 2. You not caring about K-Farfetch'd lacking the ability to evolve into Sirfetch'd, is exactly what I dislike about regional forms with exclusive evolutions. It further reinforces my point about how making new versions of old pokemon that are better than the original, just serves to undermine the original even if some more attention overall is brought to them. 3. I think the best route to go with convergent mon, would be to make them far more unique in their identities to the point where they can stand on their own even while resembling a pre-existing mon. I think if you want to talk about pokemon having convergent counterparts who have similar models but fulfill different niches, making pokemon that exist as counterparts such as regional Pikachu clones, Feebas as a counterpart to Magikarp with its own completely unique evolution, and counterpart pokemon with their own unique designs, is more interesting than a copy > paste > type shift. That being said, I would be far more content with something like Wiglett if it wasn't made to resemble Diglett so closely by some form of necessity
Gengar and Chandelure can make good counter parts as they are 3 stage Ghost types that are the first to have their respective type combo, known for having at least 1 ability change (Levitate>Cursed Body for Gengar, Shadow Tag>Infiltrator for Chandelure), another set of counterparts can be Gothitelle/Reuniclus and Alakazam as they are 3 stage psychic types, Victini and Mew as the mythical counterparts, Cryoganal and Lapras for being single stage Ice types, Rhydon and Golurk as ground types 2 stage mons (keep in note that Rhyperior was not introduced until gen 4 and we’re talking gen 1 and 5 mons here), Gyarados and Volcarona since they are 2 stage mons that start off as weak but become strong on evolution (Snorlax could also work since it and Volcarona are limited in their debut generations), Mewtwo and Kyurem (both are legendaries with 2 alternate forms but Genesect is a good alt for Mewtwo’s counterpart), both Unova sub-legendary trios and the kantonian legendary birds (preferrably the genies since they get a Pokemon relating to the respective trio from a later gen with the Kanto trio getting Lugia and genies getting Enamorus)
This is my first time watching one of your videos and I loved it alot, it was entertaining, funny and just chill I was genuinely sad when it ended LMAO😭
I few I would add: -Oddish/Bellsprout and Petilil/Cottonee -Abra and Solosis/Gothita -Eeveelutions and Elemental Monkeys -Magnemite and Klink -Magikarp and Tynamo -Gastly and Litwick -Spearow and Rufflet -Cubone and Vullaby -Mew and Victini -Mewtwo and Genesect And then Gen 5 had a few from other gens: -Zangoose/Seviper and Heatmor/Durant -Luvdisc and Alomomola -Lucario and Zoroark
Heatmor is Magmar, Durant is Pinsir, they just have this completely different predatorXprey thing that feels like Zangoose and Seviper´s rivalry/mutual hate Zoroark is Ninetales, just in a evil-edgy-ready-for-furry-porn-and-autistic-Sonic-fans-hyperfocus way
I think Munna also took inspiration both from Clefairy along with Drowzee Possibly means they combine the two ideas together Also fun fact In the route before lavender town a girl made a comment saying she wish there was a pink pokemon with purple flower skin pattern
Bro, yo tenía pensado hacer un video con esta temática. También considero que los 3 simios elementales son la contraparte de Vaporeon, Jokyeon y Flareon. Saludos, buen video
Victini -> Mew Snivy -> Bulbasaur Tepig -> Charmander Oshawott -> Squirtle Dwebble -> Krabby Tirtouga/Archen -> Omanyte/Kabuto Klink -> Magnemite Cobalion/Terrakion/Virizion -> Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres I say Dwebble -> Krabby because not only are both crabs but they also share the exact same base stat total at both stages. Or at least they did until Crustle got +10 to Attack in Sun/Moon.
Okay, so a few corrections: 1) Drilbur and Excadrill are counterparts to Diglett and Dugtrio given they are both digging moles 2) You missed the Genies being counterparts to the legendary birds being all Flying type legendaries 3) It's believed that the elemental monkeys are counterparts to the Eeveelutions given they form an alt starter trio like how Eevee can
The karrablast and shelmet lines can also be compared to the Machop and Geodude line! The original concept with graveler and machoke evolving through trade was supposed to show off them sharing different characteristics in their evolution. Machamp got the face and arms of graveler, while golem got the face of machoke and lost its double arms. Idk the exact reason as to why they didn't implement the trade for a specific pokemon mechanic (probably gameboy hardware reasons or time constraints), but with Accelgor and escavalier, they finally were able to do this
Mincinno is not Jigglypuff since its confirmed to be Clefairy by game freak and was designed by Atsuko Nishida, who made mons like Charizard, Pikachu and the Kanto starters
Should be noted that Excadrill is also a mole, like the Diglett line.... so some of them are using multiple Kanto/Johto Pokemon.... Also, the Psyduck line doesn't get psychic type because while they have the energy, they don't have the actual type itself... which is why Psyduck has headaches... And Golduck is just strong enough to deal with it... but they don't have the Infinity Energy of the psychic type.... And for Trubbish, it instead completes the trio....
For as weird as they are, i think the Garbodor line and the Klinklang line are really well designed. Like, the designs themselves are pretty design theres a lot of effort put into them And inanimate object pokemon are always fun
You missed a bunch. Throh/Sawk are the new Hitmonlee/Hitmonchan. Elygem/Beeheyem is the new Clefairy/Clefable (both lines being extraterrestrial), Lilligant is the new Vileplume both same flower on head, genesect is the new mewtwo both being man made, Klink/Magnemite, Venomoth/Volcarona, Graveler/Gigalith, Primape/Darmanitan, Fearow/Mandibuzz, Hydreigon/Dodrio (3 heads), Archeops/Aerodactyl
some of Gen 5/6 got extended to Gen 2 as well, like Krookodile line being the new Feraligatr, Skrelp being the new Horsea, Whimsicott being the new Jumpluff. OOOH i also forgot Zoroark killed 2 birds with 1 stone. While its the new Ninetales, its also the new Ditto being able to transform
Axew and gible both are used by the champion both are a 3 stage dragon evolution that are really popular in the community.Both axew and gible get sharper blades when they evolved aswell they’re overpowered as heck
the not-so-on-the-nose counterparts: Elgyem/Beheeyem or the Solosis line or the Gothita line are basically the Abra line, but really really different the Gothita line also kinda fits as counterpart for Jynx line (Gothita and Smoochum are pretty similar, although Smoochum is a Johto pokémon) Darumakka and Darmanitan are Mankey and Primeape, but with way less anger...and now that we have Annihilape, Zen Mode Darmanitan fits perfectly as a counterpart for Annihilape, that evolves when Primeape gets so angry to the point it´s anger transcend the physical limitation of it´s body Heatmor, unfortunatelly, is the counterpart for Magmar Durant would be the counterpart for Pinsir Vullaby and Madibuzz are Spearow and Fearow, that´s it Scraggy and Scrafty are be Cubone and Marowak...why? well, Scraggy and Scrafty have the hoods while Cubone and Marowak have the skull helmets the Lillipup line is the Arcanine line, but in a cute way rather than an awesome way Zorua and Zoroark are evil Vulpix and Ninetales (and the [Hisuian forms] are the evil [Alolan forms], you see?) Maractus is Tangela Shelmet and Karrablast have the same relationship between Shellder and Slowpoke, but reimagined Pawniard and Bisharp are Scyther (and Scizor)...and surprisingly Kleavor and Kingambit have pretty much the same badass grumpy grampa aura the Sandile line or the Axew line can be the Rhyhorn line (considering Rhyperior as Krookodile or Haxorus...maybe the Axew line fits better, specially thinking about how Rhyperior have some hammer/wrecking ball aspects in it´s design while Haxorus is a walking axe) Basculin, specially after Basculegion, is Magikarp/Gyarados Petilil and Lilligant are the Oddish line (Hisuian Lilligant fits perfectly with Bellossom, both being dancers) but Cottonee and Whimsicott can´t really fit with the Bellsprout line...strangely enough, I think they fit better with the Jigglypuff line, so Minccino and Cinccino are the Clefairy line Druddigon is Kangaskhan: both single-stage, both fierce-looking, one deserves an evolution, the other deserves an (official) pre-evolution about Trubbish and Garbodor: they fit better with Grimer and Muk, because there´s another pokémon line in Unova that also have similarities with Koffing and Weezing...yes, I´m talking about the Vanillite line, that also fits with the Digglet line and the Doduo line for obvious reasons MAYBE the Ruffet line is the Doduo line, but sounds offensive obviously the Klink line is the Magnemite line Stunfisk is...Lickitung and Mr. Mime...because DERP? and because Galarian Stunfisk is a (beartrap) mimic while Mr. Mime is a (barrier) mimic Sigilyph could be Porygon...? Gollet and Golurk are Onix (and Steelix), maybe? Dwebble and Crustle are also Krabby and Kingler Cryognal is...Staryu and Starmie??? maybe??? Ferroseed and Ferrothorn are Exeggcute and Exeggutor Tynamo line could be Horsea line and also Electabuzz line (so Eelektross is Kingdra and Electivire) the Litwick line is the Gastly line, it is what it is the fossils are the fossils Larvesta and Volcarona could be Venonat and Venomoth, but it sounds really offensive the Djinns and the Swords of Justice (or simply The Two Legendary Quartets, considering Enamorous exists now) are the Legendary Birds Genesect is Mewtwo Victini is Mew and with all that said, we have the monkey trio, the Yamask line, the Deerling line, Alomomola, the Joltik line, the Cubchoo line and the Mienfoo line as the only Unova pokémon, besides Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem and Meloetta, that don´t have Kanto counterparts, while we have the Ekans line, Farfetch´d, the Seel line, the Goldeen line, Ditto, the Eevee family and Snorlax as the only Kanto pokémon without counterparts in Unova
What's wrong with having old Pokemon though? Especially if they highlight old Pokemon that are forgotten like Dewgong, Granbull, Luvdisc, etc. rather than Charizard, Mew, Eevee for the billionth time?
Forgot a few things: Both Pidove and Pidgey have Pigeon in their names (that’s ones just obvious) (Not something you forgot, but Sandlslash isn’t a steel type because no part of its body is made of metal, Escadrill has metal plated claws!) Both the Drowzee line and the Munna line are Tapirs (idk if I spelt the name of the animal right) The Foongus and Voltorb line are made to be “mimic chest enemies” you’d find in other RPG like games! Chansey and Audino are also 2 mons that give out the most EXP out of any mons (excluding some legends I think) That is all!!
Trubbish is neither a Muk or Wheezing counterpart but simply the third addition to the pollution pokemon trio, with Muk representing sewage, Wheezing air pollution and Trubbish with litter
This was also the point where the pokemon devs ramp up adding Darwinian evolution theories (adaptive, convergence, divergence evolution theories to name some) into the games.
The vulpix and zorua lines are counterparts because they’re both foxes based on the kitsune. Ninetales is more focussed on the wise/spiritual/psychic aspect of the kitsune whilst Zoroark’s lore is more focussed on the shapeshifting ability of the kitsune.
also i think there is a conversation to be had on which of those designs are unova-kanto counterparts and which are a long running established "checks" in regional dex design over the years. like to what extent pidove is a counterpart to pidgey vs just being another regional bird. though then maybe pidove line is distinctly closer to pidgey than like a starly or a pikipek, though that might have been accidental?? its fun to think about!
I think another pair of counterparts, though its a small stretch, are the Seel Line and Cubchoo line. Both are Ice-type Arctic Mammals that you find at similar points in their respective games, and both are found in token snowy/icy zones(at least for base Black/White).
I would argue that the Slowpoke and Shellder lines parallel the Shelmet and Karrablast lines because both families are linked to another's evolution. Shelmet and Karrablast feel like a more realized concept of what Gamefreak had originally envisioned for Slowpoke's evolution
The entire dex is a homage to kanto , johto ,hoenn and sinnoh mons oshawott-piplup, snivy-treecko, tepig- torchic, sandile-rhyhorn, scraggy-croagunk, yamask-duskull, zorua- lucario, 2 alakazam line, vanilite-spheal, joltik-electrike, ferroseed- pinecho, eelektross-ampharos, haxorus-flygon, beartic- ursaring, mienshao -medicham, bisharp -houndoom, volcarona-arcanine , sword of justice=entei,raikou,suicune, genies= zapdos,moltres,articuno zekrom/reshiram=dialga/palkia , victini-mew, meloetta-celebi etc. Many of them have same or very close stats... they just balanced some of them with new types
not sure if someone has already said this, but the Forces of Nature trio* are probably meant to be analogues to the Legendary Birds. then again, every generation previous to gen 5 also has a Sub-Legendary trio, as well as a regional bird, rodent and bug line; a Pikaclone; a Pseudo-Legendary line; a main Legendary; a Mew-like Mythical; and a Starter trio (duh).
Nice video! I actually think Clefairy's and Clefable's counterparts are Elgyem and Beheeyem, considering both are lines are two-stage lines and being from outer space is a key element in their design. But yeah, maybe not 100%, considering Elgyem doesn't evolve with a stone...
I always thought the Panpour, Pansage and Pansear were like the new version of Eevee's, except the have a a different. form. Scrafty and Scraggy (and Mienfu/Mienshu) remind me of Primeape/Mankey. Basculin is this regions fish, it's just a single evolution here. Solosis/Gothita are like Abra line. Alomomala made me think of Lapras though I know the're not really similar. Maractus makes me think Tangela. Klink is like Magnemite. Litwick and Gastly (Especially if you think of gas fueled candles/lamps). Shelmet and Karrablast I see similar to Scyther and Pinsir. There's a couple others but the're pushing it even more (Golet-Rhyhorn, Larvesta-Venonat. Then the starters of course.
Not only are Pidgey and Pidove counterparts because they are the first three stages Birds you can catch in the region, they are also Pidgeon Pokemon, so the connection goes even deeper there. No, Psyduck shouldn't be Psychic type, as it has absolutely nothing to do with Psychic powers in the first place. Its a common misconception people think that, because of the Psy in its name, but thats the issue with localization. In Japanese, Psyduck is called Koduck, which means Little Duck. It original Japanese name has nothing to do with Psychic at all. Like, some of these are really similair and are great as supposed counterparts, but some are really stretching it, like Ducklett/Swanna and Psyduck/Golduck. You mentioned Emolga, but here is the thing: Aside from being a Pikaclone and Electric type, it has nothing to do with Pikachu whatsoever (Pikachu is a rat, while Emolga is a Squirrel). Pachirisu is more a counterpart to Pikachu than Emolga is for example. Aside from that, all Pikaclones are supposed to be counterparts with eachother anyways. Its the same for the early bugs, they are all supposed to be counterparts to eachother, despite them being different and them being early bugs and three stages is all whats connection them. Its the same with the rodents. Like, what i always find interesting, is looking at the other counterparts that were and are, in the same generation or cross generation. For example - Pinsir and Scyther were counterparts in gen 1, with them losing that counterpart status in gen 2. Pinsir became counterparts with Heracross, but being single stage Pokemon, both being Bug type and eventually both getting a Mega Evolution in gen 6. And while Scyther lost counterpart status with Pinsir, it became counterparts with Onix, despite being a different type. This because both got an evolution added in gen 2, but it got further than that even, both lost a typing (Rock and Flying respectively) in favor of the Steel typing + both evolve by trading while holding a Metal Coat. Both got a Mega Evolution as well. However... Onix and Scyther lost the status when Kleavor became a thing.
Honestly feel like you missed a few! I also think some of these were counterparts by default in a way not exclusive to the Unova dex. Almost every single region has an early three stage bird, a pseudo legendary, an early two stage rodent, etc. These are low hanging fruit, they technically have counterparts in every single game. Definitely wanted to see more specific ones even if you considered them a stretch like Magnemite/klink, chandelure gengar, maybe even mandibuzz/braviary with fearow, etc
I notice that they're kind of segregated in the Pokedex. Most Pokemon from 504 (after the last starter) until 545 (Scolipede) are on this video or else they're Patrat/Rattata which I think he just missed somehow. After that number, it's only a few who have counterparts. Assumably they made 504-545 first based on the Kanto mons and then got more creative.
i know theres a literal cat to compare meowth to, but minccino and cinccino are literally the gen 5 version of meowth and persian. 2 stage normal types with technician that focus on speed and attack over any other stat. completely and fundamentally different from jigglypuff/clefairy. the only similarity is a stone evolution and their typing. by gen 5, jigglypuff and clefairy were 3 stage evolutions (and by comparison, magnemite's unova counterpart is a 3 stage evolution to reflect magnezone's existence, even though in gen 1 it was only 2 stage) the reality is that without any gen 1 dark types existing, there isnt really a direct comparison for purrloin. so it would make sense that they have a visual/thematic inspiration from the meowth line, but the cinccino line represents the meowth line's actual role in the game. jigglypuff and clefable are probably better represented by the 2 stage psychic types, the munna line (pink ball thats sleep themed like jigglypuff) and the elygem line (supposed alien like clefairy) theres just no way the cincinno line is meant to be either of those lines
Hot take but you could make the argument that the karrablast line and the shelmet line are counter parts to scyther and pinsir. They are both counterpart bug types in their respective games that are found pretty late
Very surprised that the Alakazam line was not thought of as a counterpart to the Gothitelle/Reuniclus lines. Also, I disagree, I think of Chandelure as Gengar's counterpart To add to your point about Zebstrika and Rapidash, fire and electric have been treated as complementary types throughout the series' history, so I definitely agree with this and don't think it is a stretch
Also either the solosis or gothita line is the abra counterpart. I personally would say gothita, but they're all humanoid pure psychic types. Also I would say scraggy is the mankey counterpart, both two stage fighting lines, but that might be a stretch. I would also compare ferroseed and exeggcute, both are two stage grass types based on seeds.
I feel like Basculin is in some ways a counterpart to Magikarp, with it being a common simplistic fish that is found literally everywhere, even if the evolutionary status of the two lines is different
Pokémon is an rpg and what’s a classic rpg monster type? The mimic! Mimics take the shape of a chest and when an adventurer gets close to the “treasure” they open their mouths to eat them. Voltorb and Foongus are mimics! Same thing with Galarian Stunfisk!
Minccino and Cinccino are counterparts to Clefairy/Clefable this was confirmed by Ken Sugimori. Drilbur and Excadril are more similar to the Diglett line given that they're both moles
I would add some Ferroseed to Exeggcute (small strange seed that evolves into bigger plant with three of something) Joltik or Larvesta to Venonat (tiny fluffy bug that evolves into a bigger bug) Darumaka to Vulpix (Two stage fire types with a connection to eastern religion) Mienfoo to Mankey (Fighting types whose style is based on emotional states, calmness and anger respectively) Gothitelle to Alakazam (Almost human looking with incredible psychic power)
Klink, Klank, and Klinklank are counterparts of Magnemite, Magneton, and Magnezone.
Maybe left it out bc magnezone is gen 4
What bugs me the most is how the magnemite counterpart gets three evos but the zubat counterpart only gets 2. Swoobat is in definite need of a third evo
@@jackdorsey7820I feel like that doesn’t change fact they’re basically the same of being a steel type heavily based on man made objects. Omission is so clear it feels strange.
This was the first comparison I thought of when I clicked the video
This is my least favorite Pokemon line in the entire series
I would say Genesect is a counterpart to Mewtwo, since they're both artificially created pokemon, and they both have the colour purple in their designs.
Fun fact, Meloetta was originally going to be a bug type. I like to think it might have been planned to serve as Genesect's "Mew."
mewtwo also appears in the genesect movie
And Mewtwo was originally planned as modified fossil just like Genesect. Then they came up with Mew and the cloning subplot
Thats the stupidest thing ive ever read
@@lordfreezer5631 I think that at least in the movie Mewtwo was created from what the scientists called a Mew fossil
I'd argue that the Whimsicott and Liligant lines are also counterparts to the Vileplume and Victreebell lines because they're both version exclusive Grass lines which evolve using stones.
Lilligant and Whimsicott are counterparts to each other. They're not similar to any Kanto Poke at all this is a stretch
And their counterparts evolved by Sun Stones and Leaf Stones.
@@PKmeloaop is right, you are lost at pokemon lore
Also I think Lilligant had a mid stage that got scrapped
The problem with this is that they aren't exactly counterparts, because Oddish and Bellsprout lines are 3 stage, while Cottonee and Petilil lines are 2 stage.
something i read that i really like is that the trubbish, koffing, and grimer lines work as a trio. all three obviously are the token poison types, as well as being based on different kinds of pollution. Trubbish = Land, Koffing = Air, Grimer = Water
Just like the Weather Trio 😮
I don't think Trubbish is so much a counterpart to Grimer or Koffing as _completing a set_ with them: Grimer is water pollution, Koffing is air pollution, Trubbish is land pollution.
Four generations later, the arrival of Trubbish finally completes the "Pollution Trio". ❤
"pollution trio" oh the world is not ready for these divas
I think pollution trio as Muk, Garbodor and Swalot
I know I'm in somekind of minority here, but for me the fact that you could not catch any old Pokemon till postgame was one of the best features of Black and White.
It just felt... completely new adventure. It felt fresh. But still familiar enough with some clearer counterparts.
Especially since the Gen 4 invested heavily to evolutions for older mons, so in early game you're stucked with encountering your billionth Geodude or Ponyta.
Also Black and White was the gen I came back to Pokemon after being away for a while. I think that's why I love this decision and this gen so much. It was a perfect game for coming back to the series.
SAME! this "criticism" of B/W always rubbed me the wrong way!! like, how dare they challenge themselves creatively instead of relying on the safety net of the previous games?
also it makes sense geographically since gens 1-4 were based on japan, and gen 5 was based on the US, which is in an entirely different continent and would have unique wildlife
Generation 5 has so many great pokémon.
*Insert Toy Story 2 Buzz Lightyear display meme*
I'm sorry, but you're absolutely not the only one. Everyone says what you said.
@@turkoositerapsidiand many not so great ones as well
@@phil2160 Klinklang is nice design in my opinion, much better than magnezone. Even tho for some reason some people dislike it. I am not a big fan of swords of justice, but that is the same for many legendary pokémon.
You forgot:
-Clefairy and Elgyem line(both 2 stage Pokémon who are said to be from space)
-gothita and abra line(both 3 stage psychic types who belong to the same egg group: human-like)
-vulpix and zorua line(both are 2 stage fox Pokémon, who are based off mythical foxes that make illusions)
-Omanyte and Tirtouga line(both are 2 stage water/rock types who are prehistoric)
-Growlithe and Darumaka line(both are 2 stage fire types that resemble animals from Asian mythology)
-Klink and magnemite line(both are 3 stage steel types who gain an extra head during evolution, plus a larger one)
Gothitelle is more of a Gardevoir counterpart. Reuniclus would be the Alakazam counterpart
the klink line is mono steel :)
@@maomikathey didn’t say they weren’t…
@@alex_trem0 they edited their comment lol it said "both are 3 stage electric/steel types"
@@alex_trem0 Yeah that was my mistake, I mistook them for part electric types. Nonetheless, I found a better reason to call them counterparts of magnemite.
Drilbur and Excadrill are actually the parallels of the Diglet line. They're both based off moles.
But they look more like sandshrew and sandslash. I think is the same think as trubbish and koffing and grimer
@@edumirokuvi9887They don't look similar at all, they aren't even conceptually similar they are closer to the Diglett line
This was my initial idea for the longest time, but I think Sandshrew actually makes more sense. Or Drilbur's line could represent both Sandshrew and Diglett's.
@@PKmeloaAesthetically, body shape and arms/claws, they're much more closer to Sandshrew and Sandslash, despite being moles. It's their silhouettes that are similar and share the same idea -- bipedal, stocky, ground rodent-like creatures. Arcanine and Stoutland are both dogs but that's all they share in common. Excadrill and Dugtrio are moles and share the ground typing but that's as far as it goes.
@@edumirokuvi9887 when the hell did Sandslash have arms bigger than his body?
Trubbish is definitely grimer imo. Idk why but that’s just the vibe i get
Inanimate objects confirmed and used by evil teams as tools. Not nostalgia.
Both are actually used in the Pokémon world to prevent pollution (consuming trash, at least Alolan muk)
Fearow - Mandibuzz
(Two stage Mean birds)
Arbok - Scrafty
(Gen 3 Beta version looked a lot more like a snake and they are both used by evil teams)
Venomoth - Volcarona
(Moths)
Primeape - Mienshao
(Fighting animals)
Magneton - Klingklang
(Multiplying + steel type)
Tangela - Maractus
(Single stage grass type)
Starmie - Beheeyem
(Both aliens)
Scizor - Escavalier
(Bugs that evolve to Bug/Steel)
Pinsir - Accelgor
(Bugs that have something stolen from them, Shelmet loses its shell and Pinsir didn’t get to evolve alongside Scyther)
Magmar - Heatmor
(Single stage fire type)
Ditto - Zoroark
(Transform/Illusion)
Vaporeon - Simipour
Jolteon - Simisage
Flareon - Simisear
(Trio of different types that evolve from stones)
Omastar/Kabutops - Carracosta
Aerodactyl - Archeops
(Same typing)
Snorlax - Darmanitan
(Both found as sleeping npcs and you have to interact with them to battle)
Articuno - Kyurem
Zapdos - Zekrom
Moltres - Reshiram
(Same typing but dragon instead of flying)
Mewtwo - Genesect
(Manmade in labs)
Mew - Victini
(Both small psychic type mythicals)
While some of these are stretches (Pinsir lol), I agree that a lot of them were likely inspirations
A lot of these are huge stretches while I’ll admit some make sense but just cause they share a same type doesn’t mean they’re copy’s the eeveelutions all evolve from the same Pokémon eevee the monkey trio are all separate pokemon lines scrafty and arbok are completely different most evil teams use poison and dark types so that doesn’t matter at all and pinsir and accelgor just don’t make sense pinsir not getting an evolution doesn’t mean something was stolen from it
The reason for pinsir had me dead. reach 10/10 😂
THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE
I was always wondering why Scrafty had the Shed Skin ability which is mostly snakes. I thought maybe it has something to do with shedding clothes.
I noticed this, but I’ve never seen anyone else talk about it! I’d also say that Zorua and Zoroark are counterparts of Vulpix and Ninetales, as both are two stage kitsune-inspired Pokémon. Great video!
You can even say that Zoroark is a Ditto counterpart, so it's a 2 for one really
2:07 Oh… I’ve always thought of Drilbur and Excadrill as counterparts to Diglett and Dugtrio… because, moles.
Agreed
There's more for Voltorb and Foongus than being designed like a Pokéball. They share a unique mechanic, being the only proper mimics. They can be static encounters that use the exact same sprite as regular overworld items and are intended to trick players.
Having a pink vanillish as your avatar is really cool
He forgot Magnemite line and Klink line
Could have left it out bc magnezone gen 4
@@jackdorsey7820 I mean, it's still clearly countparts, one of the most obvious at that
The "Psy" in Psyduck's name is a stupid localization thing.
Its JP name is Koduck.
If they had translated it properly, its name would probably be "Kiduck".
Kid + Duck because "Ko" was probably a play on the word "kodomo" for "kid".
I wouldn't call it a stupid localization considering the emphasis on the pokemon's psychic abilities.
It is still known for its psychic abilities though? It should definitely be psychic type
@@cupie2255 Except it only gets them through headaches and its pokedex entries state with Golduck that it is an excellent swimmer more than psychic powers
@@dorkenspache8353 Anyone who watched the anime growing up is NOT remembering Psyduck for its swimming ! idk what the point of bringing up Golduck here is even.
@@cupie2255 I also remember the anime showing real life animals in the first season. I bring up Golduck because...it's part of Psyduck's line?? Like do you not get that?
Anyway, no, just because it gets psychic headaches doesn't mean it is part Psychic. And knowing like 4 psychic moves through level up doesn't mean anything either. Psyduck and Golduck aren't psychic types since they are based on the Kappa, which is not known to have any psychic powers, and all dex entries with the evolution Golduck talk about it's excellent swimming capabilities.
I’m a simple man, I see Black and White, I click
based
people watching old TV:
@@yunikke8485I was gonna make that joke but you beat me to it
Reallll, B/W is always so overhated :((
@@SirStarKat it's my favourite games alongside Emerald and Platnium
Also almost all generations have counterparts
Kanto: Rapidash/Unova: Zebstrika/Alola:Mudsdale
Pikaclones and Route 1 bugs/rodents/birds
Pseudo legendary dragons
Jotho: Ursaring/Unova: Beartic/Kalos: Pangoro
Hoenn: Gardevoir/Unova: Gothitelle/Kalos: Florgess/Galar: Hatterene
Kanto: Pinsir/Jotho: Heracross
Kanto: Ekans/Galar: Silicobra
And so many more
Despite Hydreigon being the pseudo legendary, I think the Dragonite and Haxorus lines share more in common with each other....
Mankey and Darumaka lines are kinda counterparts to each other, they're both 2 stage monkeys wich have angry final forms (at the time of gen 5).
Also, Klink could very well be a counterpart to magnemite, as they're both floating object pokémon related to magnetism, have the steel type and have a similar colour scheme.
Klink is a counterpart to magemite its so similar
The Tirtouga line is a parallel to the Omanyte and Kabuto lines (rock/water fossils) whereas the Archen line is a parallel to aerodactyl (rock/flying fossils)
The Zorua and vulpix lines are also parallels, considering Kitsune in mythology have the ability to disguise themselves.
The Gothita line are definitely parallel to the clefairy line, as both are not just psychic, but tied to space and the astrological side of psychic ability.
Although the immediate thought to who could be a counterpart to the growlithe line is the lilipup line, it's probably actually the larvesta line, they're both fire type Pokémon surrounded by myths and legends, whilst not actually being legendary.
I agree that the litwick line isn't necessarily a gastly line counterpart, however I think they split the gastly line counterpart between the yamask and litwick lines. Gastly fits with Litwick, but Haunter doesn't quite fit with the vibe of the Lampent, but it especially does with cofagrigus, but then Gengar feels fitting with both Chancelure and Cofagrigus.
The legendary Djinn trio are counterparts to the legendary birds trio as they are all legendary weather tros specifically.
Victini is probably the counterpart to mew, as both are considered excellent omens and are mythical pokemon.
Clefairy is not psychic. It was a normal type until Gen 5 and turned fairy type with X/Y
I personally think that the minccino line is meant to be the counterpart to eevee (the cute fluffy normal type with big eyes and large ears that evolves with a stone).
There's also the meowth line and the purloin line (two bipedal cats that evolve into larger quadruped cats and are tied to the plot of the evil team).
I also think that Victini is the mew counterpart (the cute psychic type that has a special spot in the pokedex).
And that genesect is the Mewtwo parallel (the powerful purple pokemon created through experimentation done by an evil team).
I’d say the Eevee line goes with the elemental monkeys
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What? No, it doesn't 😂.
@@giboit. Defenitely
@@corey_888 yeah, I see the monkeys way more than Minccino/Cinccino
I feel ducklett and swanna are almost more counterparts to the pelipper line, they get basically the same things expect pelipper has drizzle
Nah, it's definitely a parallel to the Psyduck line. They're both pretty rubber duck inspired.
And speaking of Hoenn counterparts, the obvious Alomomola and Luvdisc (we actually believed the former would evolve from the latter before the game dropped, lol).
Unova does mostly reference either Kanto Pokémon or simply series-wide archetypes, but other regions are referenced too as these two Hoenn examples demonstrate. ❤
These are just my observations, a lot of stretching and I don't claim to all be true. I completely respect you if you disagree:
Snorlax and Beatrix are both big bears and could be considered counterparts. Even though Munchlax came in Gen's later, they both are still two-staged lines.
I think Vanilluxe is the Unovan version of Weezing, similar idea of two conjoined heads, other than that, not much else in common.
Whimsicott and Lilligant's lines are counterparts those of Victreebel and Vileplume, Grass lines that require stones and are version exclusives (sorta). Vileplume and Lilligant have the whole flower-on-head thing going.
Magnemite line = Klink line, three staged lines that have the Steel type. Magneton just needs a stone to evolve.
This is controversial, but I think Eevee could be counterpart to the three monkeys, simply cause of the three stone evolutions thing having similar body shapes. Gen 5 just refused to do branch evos fsr.
Lapras = Alomomola, single stage Water types known for their gentle nature and tendency to help other Pokémon and humans.
Slowbro and Shellder's lines are counterparts of the Karrablast and Shelmet lines. Both lines require each other to evolve specifically. Shellder and Shelmet both have the clammy thing going. Slowbro and Escavalier are both wearing shells on their bodies. The lines within their resp. regions share a type.
Mankey line = Meinfoo line, Fighting type two-stage mammals is all I got for this one
Axew's line can also be the Nido's counterparts. Both are Dinosaur-like three-stagers, although different types. The gender difference thing just went to Frillish's line.
While we're on gender exclusivity, Rufflet's and Vullaby's lines being exclusively male and female respectively can also take after the Nido's.
Abra's line has two Unovan counterparts: Gothita and Solosis' lines. All pure Psychic three-stagers.
Exeggcute and Ferroseed are both egg-shaped Grass types with one evolution. Besides that I don't see any other relations.
Venonat line = Larvesta line. Both evolve into moths, even though one is much stronger than the other.
That's all I've got for now. This leaves a lot of lines still open.
It’s honestly surprising that after the many years of knowing the Pokémon franchise, I still find old Pokémon I have never seen in my life.
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Really nice video, loved the editing :) Although I do think the Minccino/Jigglypuff/Clefable one was a little bit of a stretch lol
Mincinno is literally confirmed by game freak to be a clefairy parallel
*I would say that:*
- Cinccino: Has been confirmed to be the Clefable of Unova (according to Dr. Lava videos)
- Liligant: Vileplume, literally. Accord to Dr. Lava's video, it used to have a middle evolution.
*Personal theory:* _Gen5 gimmick is "Gen1 but urban/domesticated instead of wild"._
- Leavanny: Fusion of Butterfree and Scyther (I guess Scolipede is Fusion of Beedrill and Pinsir?)
- Excadrill: Fusion of Sandslash and Dugtrio.
- Simisage, sear and pour: Electabuzz, Magmar and Jynx (and perhaps Eevee). The latter where the "boo" trio, or the "punching trio". Even Simisage/Electabuzz are energetic, Simisear/Magmar have that smug face, and Simipour/Jynx more on the feminine side.
- Krookodile, Maractus and Sawsbuck: probably a reference to beta "Crocodile", "Cactus" and "Deer" Pokémon in generation 1 early beta.
- Tirtouga: Appears in early promotion art for Generation 2 with early Tyranitar and early Hitmontop.
- Vanilluxe: Weezing, for the dual head and the smoke being changed to mist.
- Klinklang: Magneton / Magnezone.
- Eelektross: Maybe a Gyarados?
- Golurk: It was the Mecha Pokémon in beta. The one who was at Mew hex placement.
- Mandibuzz: Fearow, apparently?
*Late leak:*
- Scraggy: the late leak suggested it was an idea from Gen3.
- Archeops: probably based on early Sceptile from Gen 3. Oddly, beta Scraggy and beta Sceptile from Gen3 were linked in a evolution line.
there are some pokemon that are orginal designs or based on other gens. Luvdisc and Almomola is a very good example of this. Krook is just the genre of aquatic or semi-aquatic animals in the desert, like hippowdon or garchomp. Simi's solely exist to teach you about type match ups. Eelektross and Golurk are both original and Golurk is supposed to be the statue of liberty combined with the golem of prague.
"according to Dr. Lava videos" as confirmation source is hilarious
Personal theory: Gen5 gimmick is "Gen1 but urban/domesticated instead of wild".
cool, but Gen 5 gimmick was Triple Battle/Rotate Battle, and that thing about urban/domesticated doesn´t even makes sense, Kanto is THE region with less natural locations in all regions so far
@@BrunoCaruso-wz7pg don’t forget weather in standard play (politoed and ninetales) as well as hidden abilities as a whole since they were way more impactful then triple/rotation
@@buchinyan1019 oh true, I really forgot about hidden abilities being introduced in gen 5, and instead of weather in that sense, I would say the in-game seasons were a gimmick as well...the triple/rotation battles weren´t impactful, but they really were the new thing they tried to sell as the main reason to buy Unova games at the time
I find slightly interesting that in all the "which one is it a counterpart to?" cases, one of my first thoughts while playing through Pokémon Red was, "Why do both of these exist in the same version? it feels like the same thing twice."
“i think the meowth line should’ve become dark type” boy do i have news for you…
So according to the huge leak that occurred, Blitzle and Zebstrika were originally a single stage pokemon and got split into a 2 stage later in development
Thats Ponyta and Rapidash similiar but different animal
I appreciate the love you still have for these pokemon despite bringing up how similar they are. Especially when you bring up that they're not similar because of the animals they're based on, but the role they fulfill. I deadass saw a video on TH-cam that claimed Eiscue was a rip off of Prinplup because they're both penguins...... 😑
Absolutely subscribing. You deserve more! All the best. 🎉
you forgot to mention how audino and chansey (or rather blissey?) give a lot of xp and almost function like metal slimes
Trubbish line is definitely more grimer but I like the theory that it actually completes the pollution trio.
So I thought of this idea for a Pokemon fan game that does a downplayed take on the Unova’s New Pokemon Only thing where Old Pokemon can appear if they got something new like an evolution, pre-evolution, regional form, etc.
Some of the ideas of Pokemon I had did what Unova did except for Pokemon from other generations
* Fairy/Psychic type Machop and Machoke regional variant with two split evolutions one pf which is part Fighting type (Though it’d be Fairy/Fighting). This line serves as a counterpart to the Ralts line.
* Meowth gets a Pre-evolution while Persian has a stat boost so that the line can act as a counterpart to the Lillipup line in that both are three stage normal type lines.
* Kotora from Gold and Silver beta would be brought back as an Early Route Electric type akin to Mareep and Shinx.
Counterpart Pokémon are better than regional forms because you get a completely new design with its own identity and lore
speak on it!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️
since they introduced Regional Evolutions in gen 8, expanding the possibilities for Regional Forms, that argument became SOOO stupid, to the point we get Regional Forms in gen 8 (Yamask, Mr. Mime, Linoone, Corsola and Farfetch´s) and 9 (Wooper) that evolves into different pokémon (Runegrigus, Mr. Rime, Obstagoon, Cursola, Sirfetch´d...and the not-so-different Clodsire), and even brought back crossgen evolutions and branched evolutions because of it (instead of going the Digimon route with Mega Evolutions making us suffer by not evolving Sableye, Mawile and many other pokémon that NEED for an evolution)...
now, if you would criticize Convergent Evolutions, I would understand, they didn´t get much far with that concept (YET...they probably could do something similar with those Regional Forms that evolve into new pokémon and making new pokémon that look like old single-stage or double-stage pokémon evolving further and becoming completely different to their old look-alikes)
@@BrunoCaruso-wz7pg Funny you should mention some of those regional form exclusive evolutions.
1. By being attached to a regional form of a pre-existing Pokemon, their concept, identity, and lore are all intrinsically connected to the original, so the same problem still applies even if we do get completely new designs
2. Regional forms getting exclusive evolutions really sucks when their original forms don't have counterpart forms, so pokemon like Mr. Rime, Obstagoon, and Cursola are actually part of the problem. It amuses me when people say that Farfetch'd received a buff in the form of a regional form with an exclusive evo, because Farfetch'd is still right there, weak and useless
3. Convergent Pokemon are fundamentally the same as regional forms. So any criticism towards one could likely be levied towards the other
@@michaeleanthonyjr 1. I think it isn´t necessarily a bad thing? Rather, it´s an opportunity to explore the same pokémon through different perspectives, even expanding their lores...Alolan Raichu brought back very sweet Surfing Pikachu memories, both from the mini-game in Yellow Version and the blue-eyed Pikachu from that anime episode (and it´s really more interesting and appealing than regular Raichu), Alolan Marowak made Cubone and Marowak lore stronger (and Alolan Marowak´s design is COOL AS FUCK), Alolan Meowth/Persian/Ratatta/Raticate/Grimer/Muk basically are Game Freak saying that those pokémon could totally have became Dark-types in gen 2 but they didn´t realized it, and because of that Kanto has only the Magnemite line representing one of the two new types introduced in gen 2 (Steel, in this case), and after gen 6 introducing the Fairy-type, changing the types for the Clefairy line, the Jigglypuff line and Mr.Mime line and giving us Sylveon, Kanto really ended up as the only region without Dark-type pokémon...then, the Galarian evolutions started to explore the possibilities of bringing cross-gen evolutions back from the gen 4 evolutionary combo controversy (at the time, people REALLY had a rough time trying to accept the majority of cross-gen evos introduced, specially Togekiss, Magnezone, Rhyperior, Probopass...well, some of them still aren´t well-received by many fans)...so again, Regional Evolution as a concept is really good because allows them to fix some things they didn´t thought about it back then, or simply to making old pokémon refreshing, updated...is not that difficult to understand WHY gen 1 received so many Regional Forms and was used as the introduction for the Regional gimmick, because many gen 1 designs are outdated, to the point even gen 2 having designs more compatible with recent pokémon generation´s designs)
2. the only thing I don´t like about Regional evolutions is that you must have the Regional Form to get the Regional Evolution, so pretty much I dislike the fact I can ONLY evolve my Pikachu, Cubone or Exeggcute into Alolan Raichu, Marowak or Exeggutor IN ALOLA, I can ONLY evolve my Mime Jr. into Galarian Mr. Mime IN GALAR and then I can get a Mr. Rime, I can ONLY have a Hisuian Sliggoo, a Hisuian Lilligant, a Hisuian Avalugg and a Hisuian Braviary IN HISUI, and that makes those pokémon REALLY RARE without transfering or without some in-game event or if they simply don´t add them to the game (and now at least can have an Alolan Raichu and Alolan Exeggutor without transferring from Alola games BUT I CAN´T STILL BREED A PIKACHU OR AN EXEGGCUTE WITH GOOD IVs AND EVOLVING THEM INTO THEIR ALOLAN FORMS WITHOUT HAVING TO PLAY THE ALOLA GAMES AGAIN, WHICH MEANS I MUST HAVE A 3DS, I MUST HAVE ANOTHER CONSOLE JUST TO HAVE A POKÉMON, THAT´S CRAZY)...but I don´t really care about regular Farfetch´d not having an evoution if I can have a Sirfetch´d through Galarian Farfetch´d, and actually the possibility of regular Farfetch´d evolving into a Regional Sirfetch´d or even another completely different pokémon is good for me, specially now that we had simple evolutions for Girafarig, Dunsparce, Bisharp, Primeape, Stantler, Basculin, Ursaring and even a new split-evolution for Scyther...all of it makes me way more excited, unlike Mega Evolutions that made me very upset seeing awesome designs being used in non-permanent evolutions for pokémon that NEED and DESERVE it
3. Yes, Convergent Pokémon still is a very strange concept from a mechanical aspect, being basically identical to older pokémon with different types but actually being entirely different things, BUT as I said, if they explore this concept further like they did with Regional Evolutions in gen 8, then I think it could become something interesting, by a conceptual point of view (which is what I still love about Pokémon, the way they keep those creatures referencing how real-life creatures and biology works)
@@BrunoCaruso-wz7pg 1. Alolan Raichu is actually one of the regional variants that I would argue is better in execution because it feels more akin to something like Politoed and Bellossom, but simply shares its name with its Kantonian counterpart. And while it isn't as unique as those two are from their counterparts, I think it is one of those mons that does a better job at separating itself while still feeling related.
The Alolan Marowak form could very easily have been an evolution akin to what they've done with Annihilape (But I acknowledge that the devs weren't considering that route when building off of older pokemon yet). The note regarding all the Kanto mons being given dark type regional variants doesn't compel me because I think Purrloin is a much more interesting spin on a dark type Meowth, than just making Meowth, but again. I agree that it was a missed opportunity to change the types of some Pokémon in gen 2 to dark type, but I don't even think that the devs were necessarily considering that when making the decisions to modify those pokemon. I don't even believe that the devs would be convinced that Raticate should even be a dark type, for example.
But the idea that regional forms "fix" these missed opportunities is fundamentally false based on the arguments you presented. Making a Dark type version of Meowth isn't the same as changing Meowth's type to dark akin to a retcon like with Fairy Types. And it isn't refreshing to old pokemon to make a new version of that old pokemon because the old pokemon may still go unused, especially if you can't even access its older version in a newer game, or if the newer version gets a unique evolution and the older version has no equivalent. Who is going to use Hoennian Linoone over the one that turns into Obstagoon? Even in a casual playthrough of a game, that's just putting yourself at an unnecessary disadvantage unless H-Linoone has a niche that G-Linoone or Obstagoon can't fit. And H-Linoone can't even benefit from Eviolite since it can't evolve.
2. You not caring about K-Farfetch'd lacking the ability to evolve into Sirfetch'd, is exactly what I dislike about regional forms with exclusive evolutions. It further reinforces my point about how making new versions of old pokemon that are better than the original, just serves to undermine the original even if some more attention overall is brought to them.
3. I think the best route to go with convergent mon, would be to make them far more unique in their identities to the point where they can stand on their own even while resembling a pre-existing mon. I think if you want to talk about pokemon having convergent counterparts who have similar models but fulfill different niches, making pokemon that exist as counterparts such as regional Pikachu clones, Feebas as a counterpart to Magikarp with its own completely unique evolution, and counterpart pokemon with their own unique designs, is more interesting than a copy > paste > type shift.
That being said, I would be far more content with something like Wiglett if it wasn't made to resemble Diglett so closely by some form of necessity
Gengar and Chandelure can make good counter parts as they are 3 stage Ghost types that are the first to have their respective type combo, known for having at least 1 ability change (Levitate>Cursed Body for Gengar, Shadow Tag>Infiltrator for Chandelure), another set of counterparts can be Gothitelle/Reuniclus and Alakazam as they are 3 stage psychic types, Victini and Mew as the mythical counterparts, Cryoganal and Lapras for being single stage Ice types, Rhydon and Golurk as ground types 2 stage mons (keep in note that Rhyperior was not introduced until gen 4 and we’re talking gen 1 and 5 mons here), Gyarados and Volcarona since they are 2 stage mons that start off as weak but become strong on evolution (Snorlax could also work since it and Volcarona are limited in their debut generations), Mewtwo and Kyurem (both are legendaries with 2 alternate forms but Genesect is a good alt for Mewtwo’s counterpart), both Unova sub-legendary trios and the kantonian legendary birds (preferrably the genies since they get a Pokemon relating to the respective trio from a later gen with the Kanto trio getting Lugia and genies getting Enamorus)
This is my first time watching one of your videos and I loved it alot, it was entertaining, funny and just chill I was genuinely sad when it ended LMAO😭
I few I would add:
-Oddish/Bellsprout and Petilil/Cottonee
-Abra and Solosis/Gothita
-Eeveelutions and Elemental Monkeys
-Magnemite and Klink
-Magikarp and Tynamo
-Gastly and Litwick
-Spearow and Rufflet
-Cubone and Vullaby
-Mew and Victini
-Mewtwo and Genesect
And then Gen 5 had a few from other gens:
-Zangoose/Seviper and Heatmor/Durant
-Luvdisc and Alomomola
-Lucario and Zoroark
Heatmor is Magmar, Durant is Pinsir, they just have this completely different predatorXprey thing that feels like Zangoose and Seviper´s rivalry/mutual hate
Zoroark is Ninetales, just in a evil-edgy-ready-for-furry-porn-and-autistic-Sonic-fans-hyperfocus way
This is one I’ve always wanted to see as a video
I think Munna also took inspiration both from Clefairy along with Drowzee
Possibly means they combine the two ideas together
Also fun fact
In the route before lavender town a girl made a comment saying she wish there was a pink pokemon with purple flower skin pattern
not including gothita and solosis line for abra is CRAZZZYYYY
Gothita/Gothorita/Gothitele fits better with Smoochum/Jynx
Bro, yo tenía pensado hacer un video con esta temática. También considero que los 3 simios elementales son la contraparte de Vaporeon, Jokyeon y Flareon. Saludos, buen video
Victini -> Mew
Snivy -> Bulbasaur
Tepig -> Charmander
Oshawott -> Squirtle
Dwebble -> Krabby
Tirtouga/Archen -> Omanyte/Kabuto
Klink -> Magnemite
Cobalion/Terrakion/Virizion -> Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres
I say Dwebble -> Krabby because not only are both crabs but they also share the exact same base stat total at both stages. Or at least they did until Crustle got +10 to Attack in Sun/Moon.
Me when the region has starters:
Okay, so a few corrections:
1) Drilbur and Excadrill are counterparts to Diglett and Dugtrio given they are both digging moles
2) You missed the Genies being counterparts to the legendary birds being all Flying type legendaries
3) It's believed that the elemental monkeys are counterparts to the Eeveelutions given they form an alt starter trio like how Eevee can
The karrablast and shelmet lines can also be compared to the Machop and Geodude line! The original concept with graveler and machoke evolving through trade was supposed to show off them sharing different characteristics in their evolution. Machamp got the face and arms of graveler, while golem got the face of machoke and lost its double arms.
Idk the exact reason as to why they didn't implement the trade for a specific pokemon mechanic (probably gameboy hardware reasons or time constraints), but with Accelgor and escavalier, they finally were able to do this
Mincinno is not Jigglypuff since its confirmed to be Clefairy by game freak and was designed by Atsuko Nishida, who made mons like Charizard, Pikachu and the Kanto starters
I love your voice, humor and direction. The timing is just right.
btw, trade evolutions are cool
Should be noted that Excadrill is also a mole, like the Diglett line.... so some of them are using multiple Kanto/Johto Pokemon....
Also, the Psyduck line doesn't get psychic type because while they have the energy, they don't have the actual type itself... which is why Psyduck has headaches...
And Golduck is just strong enough to deal with it... but they don't have the Infinity Energy of the psychic type....
And for Trubbish, it instead completes the trio....
For as weird as they are, i think the Garbodor line and the Klinklang line are really well designed. Like, the designs themselves are pretty design theres a lot of effort put into them
And inanimate object pokemon are always fun
This doesn't even mention Genesect & Mewtwo as *"Man-Made Science Weapons"*
Isn't Drillbur a counterpart of Diglet?
Nah
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welcome to the club!!!
omg ur so cool and amazing and I would love more videos like these (unironically please I need more Pokémon slop)
Whenever I think about mole Pokémon, I think of diglett and dugtrio, and the drillbur and excadrill; so for me they’ve always been counterparts.
You missed a bunch. Throh/Sawk are the new Hitmonlee/Hitmonchan. Elygem/Beeheyem is the new Clefairy/Clefable (both lines being extraterrestrial), Lilligant is the new Vileplume both same flower on head, genesect is the new mewtwo both being man made, Klink/Magnemite, Venomoth/Volcarona, Graveler/Gigalith, Primape/Darmanitan, Fearow/Mandibuzz, Hydreigon/Dodrio (3 heads), Archeops/Aerodactyl
Finally someone agrees with the mewtwo
some of Gen 5/6 got extended to Gen 2 as well, like Krookodile line being the new Feraligatr, Skrelp being the new Horsea, Whimsicott being the new Jumpluff. OOOH i also forgot Zoroark killed 2 birds with 1 stone. While its the new Ninetales, its also the new Ditto being able to transform
Did you watch the video bruh? A few of these he did mention
He did mention quite a view of these, but you're spot on with some others
@@thebighouseoffriendsbazink6455 well i was stoned, so partially.
Axew and gible both are used by the champion both are a 3 stage dragon evolution that are really popular in the community.Both axew and gible get sharper blades when they evolved aswell they’re overpowered as heck
ferrothorn being so close to forretress made me think there were a bunch of gen 2 counterparts too at first
the not-so-on-the-nose counterparts:
Elgyem/Beheeyem or the Solosis line or the Gothita line are basically the Abra line, but really really different
the Gothita line also kinda fits as counterpart for Jynx line (Gothita and Smoochum are pretty similar, although Smoochum is a Johto pokémon)
Darumakka and Darmanitan are Mankey and Primeape, but with way less anger...and now that we have Annihilape, Zen Mode Darmanitan fits perfectly as a counterpart for Annihilape, that evolves when Primeape gets so angry to the point it´s anger transcend the physical limitation of it´s body
Heatmor, unfortunatelly, is the counterpart for Magmar
Durant would be the counterpart for Pinsir
Vullaby and Madibuzz are Spearow and Fearow, that´s it
Scraggy and Scrafty are be Cubone and Marowak...why? well, Scraggy and Scrafty have the hoods while Cubone and Marowak have the skull helmets
the Lillipup line is the Arcanine line, but in a cute way rather than an awesome way
Zorua and Zoroark are evil Vulpix and Ninetales (and the [Hisuian forms] are the evil [Alolan forms], you see?)
Maractus is Tangela
Shelmet and Karrablast have the same relationship between Shellder and Slowpoke, but reimagined
Pawniard and Bisharp are Scyther (and Scizor)...and surprisingly Kleavor and Kingambit have pretty much the same badass grumpy grampa aura
the Sandile line or the Axew line can be the Rhyhorn line (considering Rhyperior as Krookodile or Haxorus...maybe the Axew line fits better, specially thinking about how Rhyperior have some hammer/wrecking ball aspects in it´s design while Haxorus is a walking axe)
Basculin, specially after Basculegion, is Magikarp/Gyarados
Petilil and Lilligant are the Oddish line (Hisuian Lilligant fits perfectly with Bellossom, both being dancers)
but Cottonee and Whimsicott can´t really fit with the Bellsprout line...strangely enough, I think they fit better with the Jigglypuff line, so Minccino and Cinccino are the Clefairy line
Druddigon is Kangaskhan: both single-stage, both fierce-looking, one deserves an evolution, the other deserves an (official) pre-evolution
about Trubbish and Garbodor: they fit better with Grimer and Muk, because there´s another pokémon line in Unova that also have similarities with Koffing and Weezing...yes, I´m talking about the Vanillite line, that also fits with the Digglet line and the Doduo line for obvious reasons
MAYBE the Ruffet line is the Doduo line, but sounds offensive
obviously the Klink line is the Magnemite line
Stunfisk is...Lickitung and Mr. Mime...because DERP? and because Galarian Stunfisk is a (beartrap) mimic while Mr. Mime is a (barrier) mimic
Sigilyph could be Porygon...?
Gollet and Golurk are Onix (and Steelix), maybe?
Dwebble and Crustle are also Krabby and Kingler
Cryognal is...Staryu and Starmie??? maybe???
Ferroseed and Ferrothorn are Exeggcute and Exeggutor
Tynamo line could be Horsea line and also Electabuzz line (so Eelektross is Kingdra and Electivire)
the Litwick line is the Gastly line, it is what it is
the fossils are the fossils
Larvesta and Volcarona could be Venonat and Venomoth, but it sounds really offensive
the Djinns and the Swords of Justice (or simply The Two Legendary Quartets, considering Enamorous exists now) are the Legendary Birds
Genesect is Mewtwo
Victini is Mew
and with all that said, we have the monkey trio, the Yamask line, the Deerling line, Alomomola, the Joltik line, the Cubchoo line and the Mienfoo line as the only Unova pokémon, besides Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem and Meloetta, that don´t have Kanto counterparts, while we have the Ekans line, Farfetch´d, the Seel line, the Goldeen line, Ditto, the Eevee family and Snorlax as the only Kanto pokémon without counterparts in Unova
your editing is so amazing I swore you were a huge TH-camr
Your commentary is ADORABLE
ugh thank youuu
I think elgym and beheey are either Clargairy and celfable
This made me so happy
i kinda wish they kept doing this for every new pokemon game, but some people just couldn't handle not having Charizard
What's wrong with having old Pokemon though? Especially if they highlight old Pokemon that are forgotten like Dewgong, Granbull, Luvdisc, etc. rather than Charizard, Mew, Eevee for the billionth time?
Forgot a few things:
Both Pidove and Pidgey have Pigeon in their names (that’s ones just obvious)
(Not something you forgot, but Sandlslash isn’t a steel type because no part of its body is made of metal, Escadrill has metal plated claws!)
Both the Drowzee line and the Munna line are Tapirs (idk if I spelt the name of the animal right)
The Foongus and Voltorb line are made to be “mimic chest enemies” you’d find in other RPG like games!
Chansey and Audino are also 2 mons that give out the most EXP out of any mons (excluding some legends I think)
That is all!!
didn't see the connection between equines yet. thanks for the video.
Trubbish is neither a Muk or Wheezing counterpart but simply the third addition to the pollution pokemon trio, with Muk representing sewage, Wheezing air pollution and Trubbish with litter
it´s both a counterpart and the third addiction, luckly things can be multiple instead of just one-sided
This was also the point where the pokemon devs ramp up adding Darwinian evolution theories (adaptive, convergence, divergence evolution theories to name some) into the games.
The vulpix and zorua lines are counterparts because they’re both foxes based on the kitsune. Ninetales is more focussed on the wise/spiritual/psychic aspect of the kitsune whilst Zoroark’s lore is more focussed on the shapeshifting ability of the kitsune.
also i think there is a conversation to be had on which of those designs are unova-kanto counterparts and which are a long running established "checks" in regional dex design over the years. like to what extent pidove is a counterpart to pidgey vs just being another regional bird. though then maybe pidove line is distinctly closer to pidgey than like a starly or a pikipek, though that might have been accidental?? its fun to think about!
“very dark type looking”
Gonna start using that line in my day to day.
I think another pair of counterparts, though its a small stretch, are the Seel Line and Cubchoo line. Both are Ice-type Arctic Mammals that you find at similar points in their respective games, and both are found in token snowy/icy zones(at least for base Black/White).
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I would argue that the Slowpoke and Shellder lines parallel the Shelmet and Karrablast lines because both families are linked to another's evolution. Shelmet and Karrablast feel like a more realized concept of what Gamefreak had originally envisioned for Slowpoke's evolution
I'm your 649th subscriber. As a fellow gen 5 fan that's pretty cool!
dope video bro! Love the edits. Just subbed 💯
There are other Pokémon from different gens that have counterparts in gen 5 too. Like Luvdisc and Alomamola or Lucario and Zoruark
The entire dex is a homage to kanto , johto ,hoenn and sinnoh mons
oshawott-piplup, snivy-treecko, tepig- torchic, sandile-rhyhorn, scraggy-croagunk, yamask-duskull, zorua- lucario, 2 alakazam line,
vanilite-spheal, joltik-electrike, ferroseed- pinecho, eelektross-ampharos, haxorus-flygon, beartic- ursaring, mienshao -medicham,
bisharp -houndoom, volcarona-arcanine , sword of justice=entei,raikou,suicune, genies= zapdos,moltres,articuno
zekrom/reshiram=dialga/palkia , victini-mew, meloetta-celebi etc.
Many of them have same or very close stats... they just balanced some of them with new types
not sure if someone has already said this, but the Forces of Nature trio* are probably meant to be analogues to the Legendary Birds. then again, every generation previous to gen 5 also has a Sub-Legendary trio, as well as a regional bird, rodent and bug line; a Pikaclone; a Pseudo-Legendary line; a main Legendary; a Mew-like Mythical; and a Starter trio (duh).
Last time I checked Alolan Meowth and Persian were Dark types so dunno why the idea of making the originals also that...
Nice video! I actually think Clefairy's and Clefable's counterparts are Elgyem and Beheeyem, considering both are lines are two-stage lines and being from outer space is a key element in their design. But yeah, maybe not 100%, considering Elgyem doesn't evolve with a stone...
No, clefairy is confirmed by game freak to be mincinno's replacement
This is totally unrelated to the video, but the gifs of David tennant were unexpected but made me smile
I always thought the Panpour, Pansage and Pansear were like the new version of Eevee's, except the have a a different. form.
Scrafty and Scraggy (and Mienfu/Mienshu) remind me of Primeape/Mankey.
Basculin is this regions fish, it's just a single evolution here. Solosis/Gothita are like Abra line. Alomomala made me think of Lapras though I know the're not really similar. Maractus makes me think Tangela. Klink is like Magnemite. Litwick and Gastly (Especially if you think of gas fueled candles/lamps). Shelmet and Karrablast I see similar to Scyther and Pinsir.
There's a couple others but the're pushing it even more (Golet-Rhyhorn, Larvesta-Venonat. Then the starters of course.
Not only are Pidgey and Pidove counterparts because they are the first three stages Birds you can catch in the region, they are also Pidgeon Pokemon, so the connection goes even deeper there.
No, Psyduck shouldn't be Psychic type, as it has absolutely nothing to do with Psychic powers in the first place. Its a common misconception people think that, because of the Psy in its name, but thats the issue with localization. In Japanese, Psyduck is called Koduck, which means Little Duck. It original Japanese name has nothing to do with Psychic at all.
Like, some of these are really similair and are great as supposed counterparts, but some are really stretching it, like Ducklett/Swanna and Psyduck/Golduck.
You mentioned Emolga, but here is the thing: Aside from being a Pikaclone and Electric type, it has nothing to do with Pikachu whatsoever (Pikachu is a rat, while Emolga is a Squirrel). Pachirisu is more a counterpart to Pikachu than Emolga is for example. Aside from that, all Pikaclones are supposed to be counterparts with eachother anyways.
Its the same for the early bugs, they are all supposed to be counterparts to eachother, despite them being different and them being early bugs and three stages is all whats connection them. Its the same with the rodents.
Like, what i always find interesting, is looking at the other counterparts that were and are, in the same generation or cross generation.
For example - Pinsir and Scyther were counterparts in gen 1, with them losing that counterpart status in gen 2. Pinsir became counterparts with Heracross, but being single stage Pokemon, both being Bug type and eventually both getting a Mega Evolution in gen 6. And while Scyther lost counterpart status with Pinsir, it became counterparts with Onix, despite being a different type. This because both got an evolution added in gen 2, but it got further than that even, both lost a typing (Rock and Flying respectively) in favor of the Steel typing + both evolve by trading while holding a Metal Coat. Both got a Mega Evolution as well. However... Onix and Scyther lost the status when Kleavor became a thing.
Honestly feel like you missed a few! I also think some of these were counterparts by default in a way not exclusive to the Unova dex. Almost every single region has an early three stage bird, a pseudo legendary, an early two stage rodent, etc. These are low hanging fruit, they technically have counterparts in every single game. Definitely wanted to see more specific ones even if you considered them a stretch like Magnemite/klink, chandelure gengar, maybe even mandibuzz/braviary with fearow, etc
I notice that they're kind of segregated in the Pokedex. Most Pokemon from 504 (after the last starter) until 545 (Scolipede) are on this video or else they're Patrat/Rattata which I think he just missed somehow. After that number, it's only a few who have counterparts. Assumably they made 504-545 first based on the Kanto mons and then got more creative.
I always saw the Gothita and Ralts lines as counterparts like cool goth/prep sisters
i know theres a literal cat to compare meowth to, but minccino and cinccino are literally the gen 5 version of meowth and persian. 2 stage normal
types with technician that focus on speed and attack over any other stat. completely and fundamentally different from jigglypuff/clefairy. the only similarity is a stone evolution and their typing. by gen 5, jigglypuff and clefairy were 3 stage evolutions (and by comparison, magnemite's unova counterpart is a 3 stage evolution to reflect magnezone's existence, even though in gen 1 it was only 2 stage)
the reality is that without any gen 1 dark types existing, there isnt really a direct comparison for purrloin. so it would make sense that they have a visual/thematic inspiration from the meowth line, but the cinccino line represents the meowth line's actual role in the game.
jigglypuff and clefable are probably better represented by the 2 stage psychic types, the munna line (pink ball thats sleep themed like jigglypuff) and the elygem line (supposed alien like clefairy)
theres just no way the cincinno line is meant to be either of those lines
Victini/Meloetta and Mew, Genesect and Mewtwo, also if you include things that are in every generation, then you should include the starters too.
Hot take but you could make the argument that the karrablast line and the shelmet line are counter parts to scyther and pinsir. They are both counterpart bug types in their respective games that are found pretty late
Very surprised that the Alakazam line was not thought of as a counterpart to the Gothitelle/Reuniclus lines. Also, I disagree, I think of Chandelure as Gengar's counterpart
To add to your point about Zebstrika and Rapidash, fire and electric have been treated as complementary types throughout the series' history, so I definitely agree with this and don't think it is a stretch
Also either the solosis or gothita line is the abra counterpart. I personally would say gothita, but they're all humanoid pure psychic types. Also I would say scraggy is the mankey counterpart, both two stage fighting lines, but that might be a stretch. I would also compare ferroseed and exeggcute, both are two stage grass types based on seeds.
gothita is ralts
I feel like Basculin is in some ways a counterpart to Magikarp, with it being a common simplistic fish that is found literally everywhere, even if the evolutionary status of the two lines is different
Pokémon is an rpg and what’s a classic rpg monster type? The mimic! Mimics take the shape of a chest and when an adventurer gets close to the “treasure” they open their mouths to eat them. Voltorb and Foongus are mimics! Same thing with Galarian Stunfisk!
I think growlithe/arcanine with larvesta/volcarona. Both 2 stage evolutions, powerful fire types, and both are mistaken as legendaries
Minccino and Cinccino are counterparts to Clefairy/Clefable this was confirmed by Ken Sugimori. Drilbur and Excadril are more similar to the Diglett line given that they're both moles
I'd say the genies and legendary birds are counterparts, both are flyong legenedary trios vaguely related to weather
3:36 alola: I got you covered bro
We've all talked enough about Unova/Kanto parallels when we talking about Hoenn/Kanto parallels
I would add some
Ferroseed to Exeggcute (small strange seed that evolves into bigger plant with three of something)
Joltik or Larvesta to Venonat (tiny fluffy bug that evolves into a bigger bug)
Darumaka to Vulpix (Two stage fire types with a connection to eastern religion)
Mienfoo to Mankey (Fighting types whose style is based on emotional states, calmness and anger respectively)
Gothitelle to Alakazam (Almost human looking with incredible psychic power)