its been blowing mind how they didnt use bf4 as a setting stone, ESPECIALLY with the flying. like dude. wtf did they do to make flying helis and more so jets feel the way they do in 2042. love the vid btw keep it up heli king 🍻
To me, they did exactly what you said when they created BF4 after BF3 which gave 4 a very solid foundation. With 2042 this foundation is missing or very thin, there is no solid vision to tie it all together. Many things which worked previously do not work properly in this iteration of Battlefield or are missing. BF3 and 4 are still popular today for many good reasons, so why not learn from those and adapt a decent amount of the good stuff into a new title? My only explanation is that the people behind 3 and 4 are gone now and new "talent" has taken over, said new talent wanted to show how they can do better and just failed miserably. Not everything about 2042 is terrible, but interestingly it fails in many aspects that BF4 did so well and there are only very few things, where 2042 really outshines BF4. I do like the progression on vehicles, working your way up to red is nice, even regardless of the player type it is rewarding to get it done and to know people can actually see it, but people obviously don't play a game for many years to come due to unlocks, they play it because the core experience motivates them to keep coming back. That really worked for BF4 and I just don't see that happening with 2042. Got my Nightbird done a while ago and even now, a few weeks after launch, I just see very little reason to play. The maps are getting stale, too. They may be big, but every area on any given map plays similarly, in fact most maps play kinda similarly. Almost all BF4 maps have a unique flow of gameplay, Shanghai is very different from Golmud, Goldmud is different from Zavod and Zavod is different from Paracel Storm. Now what really has a different flow in 2042? Maybe Orbital and Discarded, but Orbital kinda plays like hourglass and hourglass kinda plays like Kaleidoscope. Discarded on the other hand is like small Breakaway and both aren't that different from Renewal. Then there is Manifest which is like some sort of oddball full of containers, just with the same vehicular baseline as any other map, at least it is something different I guess. I really hope they add more maps soon, preferably maps that actually play differently, too.
Okay, watched the video now and I agree to the most extent. I feel like it's so weird that they removed certain things that work so well from BF4. The squads example that you mentioned is the perfect example. I feel like removing the scoreboard and all chat also falls under those things. They were removed for no realistically logical reason and nobody asked for that. I believe the area of performance you talked about first is the one thing I can expect them to actually fix, it's all the other problems I'm not really sure about. I think they'll fix the hitreg, netcode and frames eventually. Well, if they even can fix those things with 128 players, I think one of the best things they could do is admit they were wrong about 128 and just knock the thing down to 64 but then I wonder if the maps would be overly large. They will never do that though because it was surely an executive decision made for marketing purposes. I feel like there is so much potential to thebuilding blocks of 2042. The graphics feel decent, the general feeling of the game is good, the kill sounds and hit marker sounds are extremely satisfying. It really has a lot of potential to be a great game if it had a bunch of what made the past BF games I've loved which are currently missing, I've had fun playing it when it flows well but most of the time it just feels like a crazy shit fest with way too much going on and constant deaths even for the really good players. I feel like the things that are wrong with the game are all executive decisions passed down to the team and were forced down the devs throats. 128 players? Specialists? Hazard Zone? 30mm Cannon on the Bolte... who the hell thought that was a good idea and how did it get past testing!? Even the mega powerful Hovercrafts, it honestly feels like there are so many ideas and features added for the sake of someone who had an idea for things that 'sound cool' and fit the slightly futuristic theme for the game and added them so they can be talking points. Who thought it was a good idea to dumb down vehicle combat and yet make certain vehicles more powerful? Who thought it was a good idea to lower the skill ceiling so drastically? Maybe the devs don't want 'sweats' but why would they not? The current market is all about the streamers and the games the streamers are playing they play because they have high skill ceilings and people enjoy watching people stream multiplayer. What were they thinking to lower the skill ceiling and take away the epic skill gap that top players have so that casuals like myself can get so much enjoyment from watching them own. Since I will never ever have the time to play the game enough to get that good it's fun to watch players who actually are that good and that is free marketing. But almost every single streamer I've enjoyed watching other FPS seems to be both enjoying the game when it works but mostly just suffering while they're playing. The biggest problem for DICE now I think is cutting through the chaff. There are so many ideas and so many perspectives on the internet from all different sorts of players, different people want different things and they all want the balance done for their own reasons and if they listen to it all it will be a mess, if they listen to only a portion it will be a mess. I really don't know what they can do and the things that I believe they need to do I just don't have a lot of hope that they will do it (like angling the tank for less damage or more vehicle upgrade options that present an actual choice srsly wtf no ECM on aircraft!). Reapz I'd love to see you and a bunch of other aussie streamers set up a Portal server that is BF2042 all out war but with 64 player cap and BF3 or BC2 classes and no specialists. I would REALLY love to see an experiment done like that and see how the game plays with just that change and nothing else. I actually think the game could be pretty fun like that. But you know, no one wants to play Portal custom games while the XP is turned off. I even think it would be cool to keep some of the specialists gear but have that third equipment slot be selectable to only certain class types. EG Engineers can use Sundance Grenades or Deployable cover or the Hookshot, some of those gadgets are cool and potentially sweet choices and should maybe just be choices from 2 secondary item slots. But things like the wallhacks, the sentry gun, the dog, putting AA on roofs should just be gone from the game completely again who thought that was a good idea!!!? How could the fact that Breakthrough is broken and nearly impossible to win on any building with a roof not get picked up on testing? Why did they throw out so much of BF4. The trailers seemed like this game with BF4 on the modern engine it really was marketed that way but that's not what we got at all. Alas I've gone on long enough. Good video but I don't know if I have much hope that the game willl ever get to a really decent state without the top people making decisions coming to their senses or admitting they were wrong and how many of us know execs that ever admit they're wrong?
At this point I'm more just hoping for change, We can give ideas, directions and opinions but it changes nothing, it appears dice only listen to the majority, and sometimes the majority isn't enough.
Mad pilot skill Reap keep the vids coming you're destine to blow soon with the skill you hold. So maybe a tip that could help would be post more games cuz I know for one I will be watching as soon as they drop. That said you know what your doing so keep it up bro. Mad respect
The car analogy legit hits exactly my thoughts. and it isn't an extreme view, the game should be performing and running correctly before it launches. i ALWAYS expect at launch balance won't be fine tuned. BUT how can you balance IF the hit reg and game breaking issues (performance and feedback wise). i like the casual/pro/competitive layout, though maybe switch pro for "invested?" or "driven" same idea just not competitive in nature. Regardless got the point. Overwatch example was great along with balance ideas in regards to mastering vs easy to pick up. Leaving good things that work, then finding ways to add to it is the perfect idea.
Performance is literally everything, anything they add now is just a band aid, it will never fix the game unless they invest more into performance over everything.
I found you over Silk and really enjoyed watching you fly the scout heli. I always struggled to fly a heli and thanks to you i really good pretty good at it incomparison than before. I trained a lot in bf4 to get that skill over to 2042. But right now I don't see any reason to buy this game. I belive in about 1 year it will be playable with the fixes they are going to make. That's why i think they should have waited one more year to optimze the game so most PC can run it. very good review also
First time I've ever been so early to a video (literal seconds since it went live I think) to have the chance to do a "First" post so I just couldn't resist.
You nailed it!! Thats exactly the point, the foundations of the game needs an ajustment on the right direction, I hope DICE can actually understand it before its too late.
I think you summed it up well, and think the ways about game balance that you brought up are good ways to go about it, however I think they need this sent back In time to them before the development started to have brought about the game that I wanted, but that's me and there's still a game there I could really enjoy once they iron out the gameplay issues. Really just wished they had gone a different direction at beginning, because somewhere down the line they didn't think those community orientated features, such as squad creation and management, basic stuff as scoreboard and VoIP where worth keeping in the game, which I think only add to the gameplay.
Unfortunately there is no way to go back, they can turn this game into a good direction, but it will require a lot of work and dedication I'm not sure they are willing to put into :/
Leadership at dice/ea is whos responsible. As a developer myself its not easy stuff and most of the time you dont get to do what you want. You get told what to do and thats that.
Considering how well received games like BF3, 4 and 1 are, all they really needed to do to have another hit was take those formulas and bring them to a modern standard and benefit from the technology we have now vs what we had then. Instead, they just took out things and replaced other things with worse ideas/versions. Imo, this is what happens when decisions aren’t made by devs but by the money people with no real understanding of game design. Ultimately, I think greed ruined this game and the most frustrating part is that it had so much potential :(
I honestly think the main issue was the implement of 128 players, a while ago DICE made a comment saying adding more players will become an issue and that it won't be featured. I also think BF should really stick to a format, just like COD does, sure it may become kinda repetitive, but the loyal fans base which is large will still stick to it. P. S. Love you're content man, wish there was more videos from you I could binge watch, try catching streams but timezone make it virtually impossible :(
The moment they should change the foundation/preset is the moment we get sick of it, not when we still want something, this was a very unnecessary change on many levels, and thank you
the only part i disagree with is that when skill ceiling goes up, teamplay matters less. When the game limits you it matters more about how you work with your team and push the rules
3:19 Lol nah that's EXACTLY what a lot of these AAA game developers have been doing and as long as the customers keep buying into the hype and handing over their money it'll only get worse. 2042, The Master Chief Collection, Halo Infinite, and Cyberpunk all had abysmal releases. More bugs than an alpha, months before the games are even playable and in Halo's case a TON of core features not even in the game at launch. They ship half-baked games and then spend the next year fixing it up to the state that the game should have been on release. BF3 & 4 were some of my favorite games but as soon as I saw how buggy 2042 was, I didn't even consider buying it. I'd rather go back toa more polished BF4 and not support the kind of bullshit DICE served up after years of development.
Ive had this issue with connection to servers where I get disconnected every game. Played for four hours after update three and didn’t get through any of the games. I know its not my internet speed because I never get any lag, its just abrupt freezing and subsequent disconnection.
There are so many little aspects that should be adjusted that even the constant changes alone to fix the game could be seen as a negative by people that just want to play the game and don't want to relearn the game every time they play. And if they plan to fix the game a little bit at a time, good luck keeping it balanced along the way. If you fix one thing it could become overpowered/underpowered just because the other thing indirectly related to it isn't fixed yet. I hope they can handle the mess they'd need to create in order to properly fix this even bigger mess.
They didn't take anything away from past Battlefield games, they just released an SDK instead of a game because the money men didn't want to wait another 2 years for DICE to finish.
The entire game is based around skins and monetisation of such . With all the changes at EA and DICE lately they basically just want it to be COD. I have zero faith that they will make this half decent BF game but it may end up being a decent half baked COD .
On August 8, 1945, the Soviet Union officially declares war on Japan, pouring more than 1 million Soviet soldiers into Japanese-occupied Manchuria, northeastern China, to take on the 700,000-strong Japanese army. ... Japan had not been too worried about the Soviet Union, so busy with the Germans on the Eastern front.
Apparently too many HID devices installed in device manager broke the game in the beta (100% cpu usage for no reason other than fuck you). Was an instant red flag for me lmfao.
Flawless review
its been blowing mind how they didnt use bf4 as a setting stone, ESPECIALLY with the flying. like dude. wtf did they do to make flying helis and more so jets feel the way they do in 2042. love the vid btw keep it up heli king 🍻
To me, they did exactly what you said when they created BF4 after BF3 which gave 4 a very solid foundation. With 2042 this foundation is missing or very thin, there is no solid vision to tie it all together. Many things which worked previously do not work properly in this iteration of Battlefield or are missing. BF3 and 4 are still popular today for many good reasons, so why not learn from those and adapt a decent amount of the good stuff into a new title? My only explanation is that the people behind 3 and 4 are gone now and new "talent" has taken over, said new talent wanted to show how they can do better and just failed miserably. Not everything about 2042 is terrible, but interestingly it fails in many aspects that BF4 did so well and there are only very few things, where 2042 really outshines BF4. I do like the progression on vehicles, working your way up to red is nice, even regardless of the player type it is rewarding to get it done and to know people can actually see it, but people obviously don't play a game for many years to come due to unlocks, they play it because the core experience motivates them to keep coming back. That really worked for BF4 and I just don't see that happening with 2042. Got my Nightbird done a while ago and even now, a few weeks after launch, I just see very little reason to play. The maps are getting stale, too. They may be big, but every area on any given map plays similarly, in fact most maps play kinda similarly. Almost all BF4 maps have a unique flow of gameplay, Shanghai is very different from Golmud, Goldmud is different from Zavod and Zavod is different from Paracel Storm. Now what really has a different flow in 2042? Maybe Orbital and Discarded, but Orbital kinda plays like hourglass and hourglass kinda plays like Kaleidoscope. Discarded on the other hand is like small Breakaway and both aren't that different from Renewal. Then there is Manifest which is like some sort of oddball full of containers, just with the same vehicular baseline as any other map, at least it is something different I guess. I really hope they add more maps soon, preferably maps that actually play differently, too.
Very well explained. +1
"Get your balls out of your moms purse and get back out there" -soldier in bf4 today
GET YOUR PANTS ON AND GET GOIN
Okay, watched the video now and I agree to the most extent. I feel like it's so weird that they removed certain things that work so well from BF4. The squads example that you mentioned is the perfect example. I feel like removing the scoreboard and all chat also falls under those things. They were removed for no realistically logical reason and nobody asked for that.
I believe the area of performance you talked about first is the one thing I can expect them to actually fix, it's all the other problems I'm not really sure about. I think they'll fix the hitreg, netcode and frames eventually. Well, if they even can fix those things with 128 players, I think one of the best things they could do is admit they were wrong about 128 and just knock the thing down to 64 but then I wonder if the maps would be overly large. They will never do that though because it was surely an executive decision made for marketing purposes.
I feel like there is so much potential to thebuilding blocks of 2042. The graphics feel decent, the general feeling of the game is good, the kill sounds and hit marker sounds are extremely satisfying. It really has a lot of potential to be a great game if it had a bunch of what made the past BF games I've loved which are currently missing, I've had fun playing it when it flows well but most of the time it just feels like a crazy shit fest with way too much going on and constant deaths even for the really good players. I feel like the things that are wrong with the game are all executive decisions passed down to the team and were forced down the devs throats. 128 players? Specialists? Hazard Zone? 30mm Cannon on the Bolte... who the hell thought that was a good idea and how did it get past testing!? Even the mega powerful Hovercrafts, it honestly feels like there are so many ideas and features added for the sake of someone who had an idea for things that 'sound cool' and fit the slightly futuristic theme for the game and added them so they can be talking points.
Who thought it was a good idea to dumb down vehicle combat and yet make certain vehicles more powerful? Who thought it was a good idea to lower the skill ceiling so drastically? Maybe the devs don't want 'sweats' but why would they not? The current market is all about the streamers and the games the streamers are playing they play because they have high skill ceilings and people enjoy watching people stream multiplayer. What were they thinking to lower the skill ceiling and take away the epic skill gap that top players have so that casuals like myself can get so much enjoyment from watching them own. Since I will never ever have the time to play the game enough to get that good it's fun to watch players who actually are that good and that is free marketing. But almost every single streamer I've enjoyed watching other FPS seems to be both enjoying the game when it works but mostly just suffering while they're playing.
The biggest problem for DICE now I think is cutting through the chaff. There are so many ideas and so many perspectives on the internet from all different sorts of players, different people want different things and they all want the balance done for their own reasons and if they listen to it all it will be a mess, if they listen to only a portion it will be a mess. I really don't know what they can do and the things that I believe they need to do I just don't have a lot of hope that they will do it (like angling the tank for less damage or more vehicle upgrade options that present an actual choice srsly wtf no ECM on aircraft!).
Reapz I'd love to see you and a bunch of other aussie streamers set up a Portal server that is BF2042 all out war but with 64 player cap and BF3 or BC2 classes and no specialists. I would REALLY love to see an experiment done like that and see how the game plays with just that change and nothing else. I actually think the game could be pretty fun like that. But you know, no one wants to play Portal custom games while the XP is turned off.
I even think it would be cool to keep some of the specialists gear but have that third equipment slot be selectable to only certain class types. EG Engineers can use Sundance Grenades or Deployable cover or the Hookshot, some of those gadgets are cool and potentially sweet choices and should maybe just be choices from 2 secondary item slots. But things like the wallhacks, the sentry gun, the dog, putting AA on roofs should just be gone from the game completely again who thought that was a good idea!!!? How could the fact that Breakthrough is broken and nearly impossible to win on any building with a roof not get picked up on testing? Why did they throw out so much of BF4. The trailers seemed like this game with BF4 on the modern engine it really was marketed that way but that's not what we got at all. Alas I've gone on long enough. Good video but I don't know if I have much hope that the game willl ever get to a really decent state without the top people making decisions coming to their senses or admitting they were wrong and how many of us know execs that ever admit they're wrong?
At this point I'm more just hoping for change, We can give ideas, directions and opinions but it changes nothing, it appears dice only listen to the majority, and sometimes the majority isn't enough.
Mad pilot skill Reap keep the vids coming you're destine to blow soon with the skill you hold. So maybe a tip that could help would be post more games cuz I know for one I will be watching as soon as they drop. That said you know what your doing so keep it up bro. Mad respect
The car analogy legit hits exactly my thoughts. and it isn't an extreme view, the game should be performing and running correctly before it launches. i ALWAYS expect at launch balance won't be fine tuned. BUT how can you balance IF the hit reg and game breaking issues (performance and feedback wise). i like the casual/pro/competitive layout, though maybe switch pro for "invested?" or "driven" same idea just not competitive in nature. Regardless got the point.
Overwatch example was great along with balance ideas in regards to mastering vs easy to pick up. Leaving good things that work, then finding ways to add to it is the perfect idea.
Performance is literally everything, anything they add now is just a band aid, it will never fix the game unless they invest more into performance over everything.
I found you over Silk and really enjoyed watching you fly the scout heli.
I always struggled to fly a heli and thanks to you i really good pretty good at it incomparison than before.
I trained a lot in bf4 to get that skill over to 2042.
But right now I don't see any reason to buy this game.
I belive in about 1 year it will be playable with the fixes they are going to make.
That's why i think they should have waited one more year to optimze the game so most PC can run it.
very good review also
Well articulated!
First time I've ever been so early to a video (literal seconds since it went live I think) to have the chance to do a "First" post so I just couldn't resist.
i hope they are taking notes. nice vid
You nailed it!! Thats exactly the point, the foundations of the game needs an ajustment on the right direction, I hope DICE can actually understand it before its too late.
The longer they leave it the less time it has to change :/
If EA truly wants to salvage this franchise, they should shutdown DICE and let RESPAWN work on Battlefield instead.
I think you summed it up well, and think the ways about game balance that you brought up are good ways to go about it, however I think they need this sent back In time to them before the development started to have brought about the game that I wanted, but that's me and there's still a game there I could really enjoy once they iron out the gameplay issues. Really just wished they had gone a different direction at beginning, because somewhere down the line they didn't think those community orientated features, such as squad creation and management, basic stuff as scoreboard and VoIP where worth keeping in the game, which I think only add to the gameplay.
Unfortunately there is no way to go back, they can turn this game into a good direction, but it will require a lot of work and dedication I'm not sure they are willing to put into :/
Leadership at dice/ea is whos responsible. As a developer myself its not easy stuff and most of the time you dont get to do what you want. You get told what to do and thats that.
I'm well aware, It sucks that the devs have no choice in it.
@@x8reaps it really does...
True
I mean, who cares honestly at the end of the day I smell like a dirty aircon.
Considering how well received games like BF3, 4 and 1 are, all they really needed to do to have another hit was take those formulas and bring them to a modern standard and benefit from the technology we have now vs what we had then. Instead, they just took out things and replaced other things with worse ideas/versions. Imo, this is what happens when decisions aren’t made by devs but by the money people with no real understanding of game design. Ultimately, I think greed ruined this game and the most frustrating part is that it had so much potential :(
The decisions are made to see the most profitable return, not the most beneficial..
I honestly think the main issue was the implement of 128 players, a while ago DICE made a comment saying adding more players will become an issue and that it won't be featured. I also think BF should really stick to a format, just like COD does, sure it may become kinda repetitive, but the loyal fans base which is large will still stick to it.
P. S. Love you're content man, wish there was more videos from you I could binge watch, try catching streams but timezone make it virtually impossible :(
The moment they should change the foundation/preset is the moment we get sick of it, not when we still want something, this was a very unnecessary change on many levels, and thank you
the only part i disagree with is that when skill ceiling goes up, teamplay matters less. When the game limits you it matters more about how you work with your team and push the rules
Well put, I feel like this is heavily based on the game to but I agree.
3:19 Lol nah that's EXACTLY what a lot of these AAA game developers have been doing and as long as the customers keep buying into the hype and handing over their money it'll only get worse. 2042, The Master Chief Collection, Halo Infinite, and Cyberpunk all had abysmal releases. More bugs than an alpha, months before the games are even playable and in Halo's case a TON of core features not even in the game at launch. They ship half-baked games and then spend the next year fixing it up to the state that the game should have been on release.
BF3 & 4 were some of my favorite games but as soon as I saw how buggy 2042 was, I didn't even consider buying it. I'd rather go back toa more polished BF4 and not support the kind of bullshit DICE served up after years of development.
nice video
Good video, just missing the last sentence "oh and please shift power from the nightbird rockets to the miniguns."
I wanted to do that but, tbh I doubt it would make a difference... XD Im just hoping hitreg and time fixes everything.
@@x8reaps Ye I honestly had a bunch of great moments with the miniguns yesterday. Good hit reg day I guess. Still praying for minigun buff tho.
Ive had this issue with connection to servers where I get disconnected every game. Played for four hours after update three and didn’t get through any of the games. I know its not my internet speed because I never get any lag, its just abrupt freezing and subsequent disconnection.
Performance man... performance.
There are so many little aspects that should be adjusted that even the constant changes alone to fix the game could be seen as a negative by people that just want to play the game and don't want to relearn the game every time they play.
And if they plan to fix the game a little bit at a time, good luck keeping it balanced along the way. If you fix one thing it could become overpowered/underpowered just because the other thing indirectly related to it isn't fixed yet.
I hope they can handle the mess they'd need to create in order to properly fix this even bigger mess.
They didn't take anything away from past Battlefield games, they just released an SDK instead of a game because the money men didn't want to wait another 2 years for DICE to finish.
Great review, I think BF4 is still the best. We never got the real Battlefield 5. xD
The entire game is based around skins and monetisation of such . With all the changes at EA and DICE lately they basically just want it to be COD. I have zero faith that they will make this half decent BF game but it may end up being a decent half baked COD .
Don't forget the scoreboard
Falls into the Customization and Reinvent part, I still think performance tops it all.
IMO they should make this a milsim game and helis should blow up when too windy .
Color Check?
What's up with the Squad system one year after you make the video? It's still shit?😅
ok
On August 8, 1945, the Soviet Union officially declares war on Japan, pouring more than 1 million Soviet soldiers into Japanese-occupied Manchuria, northeastern China, to take on the 700,000-strong Japanese army. ... Japan had not been too worried about the Soviet Union, so busy with the Germans on the Eastern front.
LOL!
Couldn't care less about you mate YO YO HEY XD
Apparently too many HID devices installed in device manager broke the game in the beta (100% cpu usage for no reason other than fuck you). Was an instant red flag for me lmfao.
I think they changed too many things and the balance just feels off. The maps as well , its difficult to enjoy them.
yeah that’s cool and all but
BUT WHAT BRO, FINISH IT
2042 just doesn't feel as nice. I'm back to btf4 for now
DID I ASK?
yuppy
Yes tell professionals how to fix their game!!! You’re so smart!!
Im just a guy that wants a fun game :/
how to improve your experience with this game is simple- Get a refund!
I hate this game
Don't really blame you lol