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- Deanna Van Buren designs restorative justice centers that, instead of taking the punitive approach used by a system focused on mass incarceration, treat crime as a breach of relationships and justice as a process where all stakeholders come together to repair that breach. With help and ideas from incarcerated men and women, Van Buren is creating dynamic spaces that provide safe venues for dialogue and reconciliation; employment and job training; and social services to help keep people from entering the justice system in the first place. "Imagine a world without prisons," Van Buren says. "And join me in creating all the things that we could build instead."
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As a young man that does restorative justice as my everyday job this video is amazing and I’m glad restorative justice centers are getting built all around the world 🌎
Police abolition is so important for BLM and the black community.
restorative justice is good for those that really want to change but not to those smart criminals that will abuse this new system
Restorative justice sounds a lot like peer mediation in schools, which was designed to bring students together to resolve their issues. An example would be bringing a bully and their victim together to make them talk out their differences. It was crap. Bullies don't care that they hurt someone's feelings or beat them up. That's what they were trying to do. Forcing victims into peer lead counseling sessions with the kids that bullied them just belittles the feelings of the victim, and the bully walks away afterward having experienced no real consequences. Someone somewhere is then patting themselves on the back because they kept a kid from being suspended for their behavior. The bully goes back to being a jerk and experiences no real world consequences, and the victim's feelings and need for real justice are ignored.
Some people are not sorry, and some people do not want to have counseling sessions with the people who abused them. This way of dealing with violent or mean-spirited students is not effective, and I don't see it being effective with criminals either. They will just go through the motions and then go back to committing crimes. And those people absolutely do need to be removed from society, so the rest of us can live in peace. Make the prisons safer, but do what is needed to keep the rest of us safe. These ideas are well-meaning but seem very naive and pie in the sky. Ultimately restorative justice seems to be focused on meeting the wants of and minimizing the discomfort for the offender, rather than providing real justice to the wronged. You are asking victims to allow themselves to be short-changed for the sake of lowering incarceration numbers. That is not justice.
My opinion is that it depends on the crime and situation.
If you take someone running drugs to make enough money who doesn't want to do it. That person needs help.
Someone who is mentally ill needs medication and treatment.
People like that need hope and restoration.
But importantly their are sick people out that abuse children, torture women for pleasure, serial rapists or any other depraved thing.
Restorative justice won't do jack for them.
Healing only helps those able to receive it.
It's all about context.
I agree with you, this system will not work for everybody and every crime. Restorative justice will only work if the person wants it himself. In my opinion it would be better if prisons and restorative justice projects were combined. It shouldn’t be separated. The government can include these kind of projects in prisons.
I have been working in construction for four years and am currently doing a certificate in computer-aided design (learning programs like AutoCad, Revit, etc.). This is the type of work I want to do with my certificate. Work that helps eliminate the social conditions that lead to crime. Thank you for inspiring me with this video.
These facilities are really important because there are people who got the short end of the stick in life and went on to commit crimes. People deserve the chance to change themselves and this is a good way to.
I don’t think we’ll be able to get rid of all prisons though since there are people who are just sick, but getting rid of the cold concrete ones and making sure inmates have therapy is a good idea.
And as long as victims have a choice whether they want to take part in the peace making it’s good, and the perpetrators still get rehabilitation without their victims taking part in peacemaking.
We can definitely improve
Steph Taylor do you think people just end up in prison out of nowhere? They were given multiple chances throughout life to get it together before ending up fully incarcerated
Marc Garduno yes, please look up walter mcmillan, sadly our corrupt justice system wrongfully takes away those “multiple chances” for black and brown people
Marc Garduno Your ignorance is glaring Marc
@@commanderunboxd6679 You cannot possibly be the judge of that if you are raised in a middle-class family with high-level education. Try being born into poverty to drug-addicted parents and we can talk.
@awesomo9 some people can't change or don't want to.
The short answer is if prison abolition was put on the ballet (very similar to Bail reform), 97% will vote No not because the overall concept to prison reform, it's people out there that commit crime that can't be changed no matter what you'll do. There are crimes so violent in nature no social justice warrior can justify having that specific criminal walk away. Prisons and criminal records serve as a deterrent not to commit crimes. With the George Floyd incident, outside Blacklivesmatter, Antifa, Back Identity Extremist, very little people criticized the police heavily on the incident and Supreme Court made it known that they're not going to strip away police powers.
The closest option outside of the prison system is vigilante justice and that doesn't end well in first-world societies.
This could work for lesser crimes and certain offenses, but as I was watching this I kept wondering, in a world where punishment looks like this, what will deter criminals from wanting to commit major crimes? I do agree that a restoritive program whithin prison and whithin the time given to serve is needed in order to prevent keeping people from being trapped in the crime cycle forever, as well as providing better solutions outside the prison,
but letting anyone who has committed any crime get away with nothing but this is problematic and naive.
I feel that it'll make committing crimes all that much easier. Imagine a deceitful person pretending to have changed and pretending to care in order to be released and then committing a heinous crime again, knowing the punishment won't be grave.
The problem with this idealistic approach is that it's not only the unfortunate and poor who commit terrible crimes and assuming that is dangerous, I've heard of successful doctors turning to terrorism, well off(and sane) people using and abusing others for no apparent reason other than addiction to power and wealth, people who use their power over someone to rape them or extort them, people turning to murder over the pettiest things, and the list goes on.
I think it's important not to treat all prisoners the same and evaluate whether they need psychiatric help, a specific therapy, assistance aquiering a job, or something else, and of course, give different punishments to different offenses.
But that doesn't mean anyone doing anything gets to just shake off responsibility, the person's background and justifiability of the act should also be taken into account.
In other words, this solution could be incorporated into a better solution, but as it stands, it's still lacking and doesn't sound very realistic.
You're not "getting away" with anything. You're seeing your impact on your society. We can't help those who refuse to help themselves. The key is getting them to see, even if they don't admit it out loud, even to themselves, that their actions have consequences.
Every single session in a rehabilitation center is case-by-case. Who decides the outcome? Those involved.
Yes, our justice system is broken, and no, it's not at all the only system that is. Capitalism prioritizes cold, hard cash, not living, breathing individuals. Perhaps a better system for a society is something that has "society" in the name, as capitalism has "capital"(money). Oh, wait…
@@lyrablack8621 definitely not. sounds like a total scam
So what happens to those offenders who fake their change? It happened to me before, a neighbor threw stones at my mom and our house, but yet he got my mom incarcerated for a frivolous charge of child abuse to prevent us from filing a case against him. We are still suffering financially and emotionally from the collateral damage made by the incident
When the offenders can restore the lives they have taken, we can have this dialog. Til then they can rot
IMO, we need a healthy mix of the two. Basically Norway’s System. Rehabilitation and Retribution in the form of taking away freedom for years.
Finally a sane person in the comments
>Retribution
Well that doesn't work until our economy is repaired. A lot of people commit crimes out of necessity. I saw a video about a woman being released from prison and rearrested a few days later for stealing drugs that she needed. Replicating Norway's system might reduce some recidivism but there are larger problems at hand that need to be dealt with first as they effect more than just prisoners.
@@VaughnCT0292 Stealing drugs? Yeah, coke, meth, etc. can get you in prison. And if we are talking about prescription drugs, well, she could go to a doctor and get, you know, a prescription. Then go to a pharmacy. What is it? Can't pay? Then get a friggin job. There's always some store or gas station that needs someone to work the counter and it isn't a work you need any diploma for.
No. Total abolition.
She is obviously using a flash back style explanation of her thoughts/justifications of the incident at the time it happened, when she was a child. She did not say 'I STILL think he deserved it.' Based on her tone and body language this was clearly not said in a hateful way but to give more context as to why she was angry and needing an emotional refuge at that time in her life. This is such a small and insignificant detail that I am suprised so many let it overshadow the amazing ideas and plans that should be the main focusing point by far! It is sad that I cannot help but wonder, if she had only said she had been bullyed and not gone into specifics if there would have been the same reaction. Great talk and I'm so excited to see how her work develops! 👍
Exactly just because it’s such a small incident doesn’t mean that it’s something to overlook kids will hate themselves for making a mistake and getting punished we need to give them resources to express their emotions and lead them in the right path to help them go on and help them learn once we help the kids be better they will only bring up our society and lessen crime rates and help the economy because we raised good kids
Possibly, but she easily could still believe that. She's believes that the criminals are the victims so anything is possible right?
When you spend a lot of time year after year inside of prison you might think differently. Not that prisons are without flaws, but there is no way that I would want some of said inmates to be roaming the streets. I have spent a lot of time working in the prison system and you will never see things like I have unless you have spent time inside as an outsider. People are manipulative by nature and you can't exclude a convicted felon from this.
Ppl with the kinds of ideas that she has are naive to human nature and usually don’t know much about themselves/trauma/their own shadow side. The problem isn’t better prisons, it’s better people.
I mean, sure, you get a whole load of traumatised and wounded people and put them together in a dehumanising environment and of course you’re going to get extreme violence. It doesn’t mean that they as individuals are bad, and the idea that there are ‘better’ and ‘worse’ people is very outdated.
1. Most of the time, people become monsters Because they're put in cages.
2. For the 1%~ of the population that has no place in average, functional society as they are nearly irreconcilably mentally ill, they can stay indefinitely in state hospitals. Crime is a mental health issue, a reaction to a mentally ill, unjust world and society.
@HarambeLives23 And they're mentally/spiritually ill, and if they had help, they could be great people. Humans all perish and have monsters inside them.
@@turnthonkee certain resources say an estimated 3-5% of the population are sociopaths, meaning they could kill every person, every thing, and commit every atrocity and not feel a shred of remorse. At a certain point your “state hospitals” just become prisons
Half of the people in the comments let the concept go over their head
The other half is still stuck on what she said at the beginning
Schools and prisons the two thinks that keep our minds imprisoned... White light blinds those that become intoxicated with it but still the entire light was used to blind us from the darkness through evolution we have been evolving backwards the brain cell connections in our bodies that the eyes distinctively lead us to extinction
Exactly my point. She’s a poor speaker and doesn’t understand the art of persuasion. Your presentation is for the people who disagree with you, not the ones who already agree with you. She alienated many people she might have persuaded had she left her anecdote out.
I don't want to imagine a world where murderers armed robbers serial killers and rapists get a walk free. If we abolish prisons there will be no justice.
This is amazing!
Instead of removing rapists from society, let's have them sit in a circle and apologize to their victims! Sounds like a great idea
or maybe just limit the prison system to severe acts such as rape, murder and theft. Other than these, you don't really need a prison.
so basically restorative justice for lesser acts, prison for the depraved and mental health hospitals for the mentally ill. When you think about it the prison system is taking on the responsibility for all three of these institutions, does that really sound reasonable?
@@robertpelland3428 what you describe isn’t what these people are working for is it?? Let’s not forget that they emphasize pertaining to black perpetrators. Their crimes are caused by systemic racism they believe. Keep that knowledge at the forefront. Because it reveals how flawed their entire hypothesis truly is. As well as how racist THEY are.
Seeking rehabilitation rather than punishment will solve all the problems we are confused about. Implementing mental health in prison and modern day skills will give individuals another chance at life !!!! Great messge girl 💪🏽
Maybe im sensitive but this made me cry this is beautiful
So did I
We are diferent because this made me upset.
"Powerful", "Beautiful", what is next?
The title and the actual TED talk are a little different and some people are confused by it. The way I see it, this is more of a preventative and rehabilitation solution rather than a complete replacement for our justice system.
I’m giving you a standing ovation right now; you’re not alone in this..it’s my passion too. Hope to work someday with you!
there is too much money in jail for it to stop
vids ee
The prison industrial complex
how so?
I find that very hard to believe.
@@yourmom2325 Then suppress your belief system and go with actual evidence. I am almost certain that you did not thoroughly research this topic in an unbiased manner. Do yourself a favour - allocate a few hours on a weekend with an agreement with yourself to look at it neutrally. You will be surprised with what you find (A good pop video to get started is "Adam Ruins Everything - Prisons" (or similar title, I don't remember) on the topic, though it is hardly a reliable source)
What she said in the beginning about hitting the kid was obviously what she thought at that moment because she was angry. She was on the way of becoming a criminal. And it was the space she built in the forest that helped her to overcome that. She might have not presented it in the best way but anyone who has any empathy should be able to see that this is what she meant.
Seems like many people in the comments would get use of her centers.
She still lives in that "bubble" she made in the forest. She is clueless. lol
Finally someone gets it! Why don't people realize we're all just as broken as each other? The key is coping skills and support systems ❤️
Has the person she punched gotten restorative justice?
No, she specifically said “he deserved it.”
I wish you the best!
Anyways despite this talk being weird and all over the place. It is absolutely amazing and about time we're starting to do something about our terrible prison and justice system.
We need people like this to help get people rehabilitated for appropriate crimes like theft and drug possession.
But certain crimes like murder and rape should never fall under this category.
The first step to healing is acknowledging something's wrong. In this case, what's wrong? A lack of empathy. The solution? Have those who objectify others see the community around those they hurt.
- erases stigma around violence, especially sexual
- builds support networks for those who need it most (victim and perpetrator)
- perpetrator sees victim as a person, not an object
- erases stigma around people who commit crime so they can reenter society
Edit: forgot to mention this huge point:
- provides closure for victims
Well, I hope the people who raped me when I was a little girl NEVER get the chance to ruin another child's life again. I support restorative justice for non-violent crimes, or even some violent crime *IF* it's what the victims want (or the victim's family, in the case of murder).
But there are real Hannibal Lector-like monsters who exist in our world, and we as a community deserve to be protected from them. Prison is the only way to do this, because I don't support the death penalty.
@@zxyatiywariii8 You should support prison then.
@@zxyatiywariii8 I feel the same way about the people who raped and cannibalized me (Satanic human trafficking cult people; I was born into it). I tried to talk them out of doing what they do and it helped me escape but they are not going to stop raping people or drinking blood just because I have had a lot of really intense talks with them. They enjoy being really violent and they also have demonic presence with them. I'm Christian. :) Don't worry I am ok now. -ish.
In my country whenever a child behaves badly in class, teacher don't send him to detention, they send him "outside"... You know, to the garden or the baskeyball court, nature for short. I'm not saying it is perfect, but it seems to work.
I don't how that going to stop crimes.
That's not going to work for real criminals . It didn't in NY. Look up the NY bail reform law.
It isn't like most of the people that are being send to prison don't know that they have broken the law. They simply don't care and expect some sort of benefit out of their crime. To let this go without punishment is most definitely not conducive for a functioning society and most importantly the safety for other citizens.
Although I do agree that there seems to be something fundamentally wrong with the american prison-system and a more preventive and rehabilitating approach might be the solution for it.
Great topic
This lady would make more headway if her premise like, "what would the world be like with better alternatives to prison." There are definitely people in prison that do not need to be there and have committed crimes that could benefit from a different way to "pay society their debt to society.". Why not take some of her ideas and build education centers for those who have not yet committed crimes? Bring her pop-up resources ideas to communities that do not have the essentials near. The idea that there should be no prisons is ridiculously naive. People that pose a real threat to society should be locked up e.g. child rapist, serial killers.
Some people do bad stuff to others just for their own good. and many of them won't want to improve and become better people. maybe because of their social background, the things they went through, the missing chances they had in life, whatever. but they still have to suffer in a bad, uncomfortable situation, not really to create a learning effect, but to give justice for the suffering the victims had.
Person: *hurts society*
Society: *hurts person*
Person: *hurts society*
Society: *hurts person*
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. True justice is for both parties to acknowledge and make amends, however _each_ side deems fit.
Exactly, both perpetrators and victims report feeling more satisfied as a result of restorative justice interventions
On the one hand, I like the idea. Anything that gets people out of the prison they carry around in their heads seems a good thing worth trying. Anything that gives ex-prisoners a new chance at life seems a good thing worth trying.
On the other hand I am skeptical. Not everybody is ready to reconcile on command. I wonder if the 75% success rate has more to do with who was chosen to participate. Any kind of rehab depends on the individual choosing to change. A restorative justice program is always going to start with volunteers who want to change. You can't just blindly send people into "Restorative Justice" systems. If they don't want to change, the RJ program isn't likely to work for them, which asks the question, "what do you do then?" So there will always bee a new for prisons.
RJ would do its work well just putting a good dent in the incarceration numbers.
A circle inside every square (building). Genius!
She's doing the ideal leftest diatribe. That being said there is a lot of good here and a lot we can and should implement. I felt like she left the restorative justice concept as a vague concept. I would like more concrete examples of it in action. She also left out the biggest driver in prison incarceration- private prisons and by extension money in politics. We will always have prisons because psychopaths, sociopaths and narcissists are incurable. Knowing there are limitations in your idealism is the key to selling something, otherwise you kinda sound dumb or naive.
Oh you good people, keep your words before thinking situations in USA. I agree it's not a exact solution but after thinking about mass incarceration we should support these kind of ideas.
We were born with this system already in place, its too much to grasp the POV of a life without bars to control.
@@abandonbelief If you let violent criminals roam free, crime would go way up, and life would be very unsafe for law abiding citizens.
@@siddharthnandi3995 this isn’t true at all, america would be the safest place in the world if it were.
@@yungshiv6551 In NY, they enacted a law saying criminals could'nt be put in jail for a large number of "minor crimes", which included Bank Robbery, Car Theft etc. Violent crime and especially shootings went way up. Overall, crime rose by 20%.
This is a great TED, thanks you
yes
Try it and find out . Let me know how it goes
Imagine a world without prisons? Imagine a world without crime first.
I didn't know the world was sustained by imagination? I guess you could start by imagining a world without humans.
I live in Los Angeles. This had been tested for the past 2 years with our DA Gasgon. He came down from San Fran where they tested this before hand. He left San Fran the way it is today. Does anyone feel safe going to San Fran or living in San Fran today ? Or do only the criminals enjoy it today ? The same is happening in Los Angeles. All crimes are up since this started and most criminals do no time and get out the next day and go back to doing crimes. What are they trying to do here ? Ruin our entire normal way of life and ruin our city and country ? That’s the way this is going
This is awesome!
Deanna Van Buren, do you expect everyone to just walk free after committing grave offences like murder or highly culpable serious acts without any sanctions like restraining freedom of liberty and personal movement?
If we live in a society that makes no difference between causing intentional injury and death, what is the meaning of justice?
Do you expect people to just avoid punishment and consequence, which reflects what offenders did, and become better people instead?
Sin is apart of this fallen world we live in.We will never live in a peaceful eutopia this woman wants.They want there heaven here in this fallen earth.they want it and with out the lord Jesus the prince of peace.they are blind this world is not our home.
She doesn’t understand that there are humans who do not have the capacity to feel a shred of remorse. These people pushing this are out of their minds. I want to see changes but this extreme isn’t going to work either.
Exactly. Just look at the New York bail law that prevents people from being held in detention for most crimes. It raised crime by 20%. They were all major crimes like bank robbery, car theft, and shootings, so the excuse that they were trying to feed their families doesn't work.
I really tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, and I'm very glad that people like her exist to balance out people who don't see the value of an emotional approach at all, but she is way too optimistic and oblivious to reality. I was hoping she understood that some people are just not rehabilitatable, ever, but it didn't seem like she did. Some people don't deserve any more chances. Not everybody in prison, nowhere near everybody in prison, but plenty of people will abuse the system and pretend to be reformed. Prisons need to exist.
More of a focus on rehabilitation is good though, not everybody in prison is a bad person.
Interesting talk!
I tried to give her a chance too. She is almost unbearable. That lady doesn't understand some dont deserve anymore chances. She seem to definitely live in a bubble. B/c there are definitely humans that all they want to do is kill. Even with the ability to act like they are changing for the better.
This lady's ted talk reminds me when a 1st grader is showing off their art work from school. Or when a vegan acts like butchers are keeping secrets. Not understanding the privilege of not having to kill your own protein.
Emotional arguments are not intellectual arguments.
I understand where you're coming from with this, it's really difficult sometimes to imagine the rehabilitation of people who commit heinous acts. Instead, a prison abilitionist understands that rehabilitation alone is limited and shouldn't be the only alternative to prisons. A truly effective alternative to prisons includes prevention in communities that would see red flags before serious things occur. What many may imagine here is something like police, but, in fact, things like social workers in schools, mental health professionals, community response teams, and community mapping/pods are protective factors that can stop violence, without violence. Prison abolition is also about a cultural and societal shift in how we view justice overall. Moving the standard from penal to transformative justice, and uplifting community empowerment rather than fear/suppression is an essential piece of dismantling the prison industrial complex.
world without prisons would be a SCARY place
Yes, it's always terrifying when you're in charge of your own life, isn't it? I wish I'd never left the womb personally
This is a great idea. I would like to see the housing for foster care kids. Also would love to see some Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (coping skills) taught in these centers. Addressing mental wellness issues are important for everyone, especially those with histories of trauma. Look forward to seeing more! Contact me if you want to know more about DBT and Art Therapy!
I'll never understand why people who foster don't just adopt. Are you doing it for brownie points? That kid's life is unstable enough without you deciding to return your purchase. But if you can't afford keeping them that long, I guess I could see it. At least they weren't stuck in that ring of pedos called an "adoption center" for a few years of their life.
There are people who simply cannot be rehabilitated to be able to live in society. I am more than happy to pay my taxes to keep people like that locked up. That doesn't mean they have to live in deplorable conditions though. If you're not going to send those people to "prison" at least come up with an alternative that doesn't put everyone else at risk.
Did you see her chart at minute 6:02? We are putting way more people in prison than anyone else in the world. More than half of those people can be rehabilitated.
As human beings, we all mess up, some more so than others, some spurred on by their environments. If you say someone cannot make amends no matter what they do, that's either a fault with you, for objectifying/falling to understand that they are just as able as you or I, or a fault with the system under which we live, for isolating us so much that we might as well be yelling at each other from across the globe. Education is empathy ❤️
Edit: forgot to mention that rehabilitation is a two-way street. If you cannot meet your oppressor head on by yourself, then I, for one, will go with you. But I will not go alone on your behalf.
@@gatekeepersacredshapes Yes we certainly are locking up too many people! I like the idea of restorative justice for non-violent crimes, that would be beneficial for everyone.
However, although Silence of the Lambs was of course fictional, there are some humans who are born without the capacity for empathy no matter their childhood environment. They may have good, safe homes and schools, and enough to eat, and be in no danger; and yet they begin by torturing animals and then, as teenagers, they move on to hurting little children. If they remain free into adulthood, they leave behind a long trail of badly hurt or even murdered victims.
The only way for a community to be safe from such people is by keeping them locked up.
@@lyrablack8621 I love this response. Empathy and compassion are most definitely key in these discussions
How do you know that those people are beyond rehabilitation?
I think the real tragedy is when a criminal record follows them for life baring housing and job opportunities and she did address some of that .
I love it 💕
We will watch your career with great interest!
This is amazing and beautiful
The fact that those both for and against her ideas are behaving the way they are, and treating other commenters with contempt, simply underlines the innate evil and hatred of the other that exists in every human being, and why any solution to the problems that exist will always be undermined by our human failings.
No, I'm not excluding myself from the above.
What a gloomy outlook on humanity. I think humans are naturally curious, but under such an oppressive society, we're beaten down until all that rules us is fear - or love, for those of us who are more privileged.
Fear -> desperation -> immorality
Education -> empathy -> morality
Unfortunately, proper education isn't free…
Apparently you can rehabilitate people who are serial killers, serial rapists, terrorists, child abusers, torturers, etc. Yup, these people are totally going to change after a little holiday!
Awesome
so many victims in jail is what she is saying
Everyone who is in jail is a victim.
This is a great idea to get rid of the bulk of people in prison but narcissistic psychopaths are broken from childhood so will never regrow those missing synapses and cannot and do not want to change. You must recognise that these types need to be kept away from society.
Especially those in the 1%. But locking up your problems won't fix them - in fact, they'll probably worsen over time. How about we start by not dehumanizing those we don't understand? ❤️
How do you know they will never regrow these missing synapses? I agree they should be kept away from society until they no longer pose a danger to the public, but not as a punishment. But they should have access to restorative justice interventions while incarcerated
please go study neuroplasticity
Im so here for it
I really wish the nay sayers would get lost already. If mass incarceration improved our society, it would have done so by now. It's time for visionary Kings and Queens to do their good work. If you aren't game, you're lame.
No, the only reason I can sleep safely at night is that every murderer, serial killer and rapist is safely locked away far away from where I live.
@S C Its about creating a world where they are no longer needed. Obviously, that isn't going to happen in our lifetime but we cant build with the goal of making more prisons. Most prisoners aren't in there for violent crimes. And obviously, prisons aren't a solution to the true problem. I suggest watching the documentary 13th on Netflix. 97% of the prisoners didn't even get a trial (due to many reasons).
I don’t know where you’ve been, but violent crime has been on the decline since the 90s
Jagielski Gaming you do know murderers, rapists, and serial killers are still out and walking among us, who are just not caught yet? does that affect your sleep? seems to me like if you’re sleeping soundly thanks to prisons, you’re sleeping soundly thanks to a lie, a non-solution, an idea that doesn’t really create the safety you pretend it does
@@Alepap. prison abolition is about getting rid of the conditions that CREATE crime. How does sending an addict to prison help them with their addiction? How does it heal a community? How does it actually promote rehabilitation? It achieves none of these things intrinsically. Also most rapists are NOT in jails, most don't even get arrested so you probably know a few rapists
I think the restorative justice concept only applies to lower level crimes.
Hello, I know this comment is old, but I was curious, have you changed your opinion since? And if not, what do you consider higher level crimes? And why do you feel they shouldn't be given a chance to be reformed as well?
@@TheEW94 I'm not your intended responder but I share a similar sentiment.
I'll take an extreme but unfortunately frequent example: sexual assault
Should someone who is a violent or manipulative rapist be reformed and put on the street's.
What about murder?
What if a Father murderers his son or a thug beats an old man to death.
Their are in the world serial offender's that are simply a danger.
In the UK we have a recent case of a man who would lure in underage girls and would take her to flats and bring family and friends to take turns gang raping her, they drugged her till she puked and pinned her down with a machete on her throat.
This went on for weeks and included with the man prostituting the girl. They threatened the family if they called the police.
Should those men who gang raped a little girl be allowed on the streets. I argue that they should never see the light of day again.
Now why use an extreme example?
Because when dealing with crime you will encounter horrid cases so your methods needs to deal with that.
Petty crime like a kid being groomed into a gang to run drugs?
Rehabilitation all the way.
Respected neuroscientist Adrian Raine and James Gilligan support her claims. Crime is not prevented by punishment and the current model of prisons only oppresses people needlessly. Violent people should be restrained, but never punished.
Alvin Tossler so if I murdered your entire family and made them suffer and made you watch, I shouldn't be punished right?
lucas jeffery Right. I would want you to receive the best mental healthcare possible in a facility that contains you but does not punish you for your crimes.
Terrorism, child abuse, name any crime you like. I am more interested in the long term safety of the public than I am in temporary relief. Punishment does not impress me.
Alvin Tossler I completely agree!
Alivn Tossler, thank you for putting into words what I am trying to convey in this comment section: *Punishment does not impress me.*
Prison is not punishment. Prison is to provide SAFE SPACE to criminals and make sure they have a good life. The money our government spends on a criminal is more than our median income.
His victim cant come to the circle because they are dead...These processing work for non violent acts. I am all for allowing victims and victims families to have a say in the consequences for the actions of the criminal.
Empathy-Eutopia explained by feelings
BUILD BETTER GALLOWS!
huuuu this is great!
Two minutes in and I already find is very ironic that an activist arguing for the abolition of prisons just said her classmate deserved a punch in the face because he called her a bad word.
Reminds me of: Build bridges, not walls.
Well.. At least she tryes to make our world better.
A world without prison: Danger, Danger, Danger
In a world like this is very unrealistic but some of her idea's were very interesting, I really enjoyed this! She's a dreaming but COOTTTDAMNN I LOVE ME A DREAMER !!!
Prisons are not to help the prisoners, but to protect the society from these people.
"This guy murdered someone when he was 21, but don't worry! He feels bad about it now so he's not a threat at all."
@@danieldager1385 Well, the person he murdered never HAD those 27 years. That person's Loved Ones couldn't go visit the murdered person like the murderer's Loved Ones could.
I support restorative justice for non-violent crimes, but rape and murder are different.
@@zxyatiywariii8 people murder for all sorts of reasons. throwing all murderers into one category makes no sense
@@zxyatiywariii8 putting all murders into one category makes literally no sense imagine if a woman killed her husband because he abused her and her child which cause PTSD, depression, addiction to alcohol, etc etc and since she murdered to at least save her and her child she’s gonna be thrown into a prison with mass killers and rapist all because she wanted to protect her and her child? This is very flawed
i saw a documentary on this once, it was called the purge.
ClockworkAvatar 😂 that was pretty good.
Hahahahahah
Good. Let's heal the criminals instead of the people they harmed. Very humane.
3:30 :)
el salvador?
If you can convince Texas to do this then I believe it will work.
I guess raping or killing can be solved with an “I am sorry” and return them to society
Nobody said that. Literally nobody.
Pls send me to this kind of resort
While the premise is sketchy at best. I can't deny there are really dangerous people. But many of those don't fit the criteria of criminals. Because as we have gleamed from concentration camps and other adverse environments, increased punitive measures does not equate to more civilized humans/animals. So it's a question of more than just what these "prisons & or restorative justice centers" do. Because is genetic, cerebral surgery (both invasive and non-invasive), medicating, etcetera permissible? What is the delineation line of moral conduct when those who make and enforce the rules have pre-eminence?
Furthermore many of these programs already exist. But they seem to be more of how do companies and workers profit from the government grants, rather than actually helping felons. Many times they aren't available when people really need them and they offer little more than lip-service.
Illusion/fantasyland, interresting how this would work with serial killers
It won't work with any of the people who are literally incapable of empathy. There are some real-life horrors like Hannibal Lector who exist, this woman has just been too sheltered to know.
So inspiring! May God bless this amazing work and through these centers, many lives can be restored.
"Hey, man, sorry I murdered your family... Let's hug it out"
Here's the deal. While there is lots to fix about the prison system I'm not sure this is the solution. Maybe have the peacemaking thing eradicate a certain amount of time off someone's sentence. Cuz sitting down and talking about our feelings doesn't combat crime and isn't punishment. Fix prisons but don't erradicate them. Also ya make job centers for people coming out of prison but don't erridicate prison!
I don't know whether to like or dislike this video. Restorative Justice already exists. Prisoners with good behavior get to participate in it. I would like to see it better implemented though and this is where her ideas have some merit. Though the plug in for systemic racism is a uneccessary. This talk would have been good without the racism commentary and perfect if she had mentioned and understanding those people who don't want to change to do and be good people.
YES.
unfortunately most people don't think about long term effects when it comes to criminals, they just want revenge and punishment, because they think emotional instead of rational.
they don't care that this type of thinking in the long term leads to even more crime and suffering.
Yes the solutions look like "Being nice to murderers" or something similar (And yes it feels wrong, i get it), but if you look at it long term, you might not get your revenge, but you will reduce crime and suffering for many other people (and i don't mean the criminals) and it will also be cheaper directly and indirectly because of the reduced crime and suffering.
its money well spent to keep murderers locked up forever.
@@DirtyBeatzMusic Why?
@@samuelrobinson205 call me crazy but spending even more money on executions or letting them go free after they ruined so many peoples lives dont seem like preferable alternatives.
@@DirtyBeatzMusic Ah yeah I agree with you there, but restorative justice is neither of those things. Restorative justice is about tapping into people’s innate ability to fundamentally change who they are for the better. The result is that perpetrators take responsibility and atone for their actions, and they can only begin to do that through self-compassion
Consequences are revenge? There must be serious consequences when people rape and murder. You aren’t being rational when you think getting rid of prisons will reduce suffering and crime.
This is so uplifting!!! How can I get involved??
This remembers me of an episode of "Walker, Texas Ranger".
They tried something similar.
the problem i see is that some people are just evil, psychopaths or people raised with extreemly abusive parrents.
we dont need to eradicate prisons, we need to make sure no kid is abused and that every kid feels part of something, so this should be in schools.
I will concede the law needs to change about what offenses should require incarceration, but the complete elimination of prisons is a bad idea. A reduction in need would be nice, but there are always going to be outliers that just want to watch the world burn.
The primary thought behind prisons in the US was reforming and rehabilitating the inmate to rejoin society. Obviously that intention has failed. I wish you luck in your endeavor, but I'm not optimistic enough to believe that even the worst offender is redeemable.
A good idea that should be explored. Yes, yes, there are terrible people in prison and some can't be rehabilitated. That shouldn't prevent you from trying to help those that are honestly regretful and still full of promise.
It is a good point. Prisons are too short-sighted. We could instead build camps out in the woods where we could put all those that need extra attention together. So they can help each other heal and concentrate on what they need to do to become better citizens.
Never heard anyone refer to criminals as “those that need extra attention”. Ask someone who was a victim of violent crime who really needs extra attention.
Treehuggerunlimited, No, not a labor camp. Just a place were they can concentrate in a camp setting.
britshell
Good
To have no prison, everyone must be good :0
Everyone has both good and bad, but the prison and justice system tends to only see the bad.
NewGuy no, he didn't say that.
But who get to define what's good or bad?
The law
Or everyone just be bad.
I could see restorative justice being used for re-integration into society before release, but not as a substitute for doing time.
Yes, I could cut my grass while it's only a little too long. Or, I could let it grow into a forest and _then_ go in with an axe! Brilliant
A world without prisons seems like a child's fantasy and just won't work. But helping former prisoners to get back into society and finding jobs, so they won't fall into their criminal pattern again, is a very good idea 👍
Also I guess she is talking about people who committed minor crimes (like theft or something with drugs) instead of murderers and rapists, that should take part in these alternative justice systems. Which is in my eyes a good idea to not get them in touch with real jail , because then their life is shaped by this experience and they will stay in the criminal lane.
Why won’t it work?
And why do you think murderers and rapists shouldn’t take part?
@@samuelrobinson205 Because they're a threat to society. A society with them roaming free on the streets would be a very dangerous one to live in.
I think the idea is good but no having prisons is just stupid, there is people who will not change, even if you do this.
Didn’t Orwell mention something about a Ministry of Restorative Justice?
I don't think that was ever mentioned, no.
12:39 Ah yes, I too make the mistake of saying 30 instead of 3.
Prisons are overused in places, but there are a few people who can't be allowed access to the rest of society.
Aotearoa New Zealand has one of the highest incarceration rates of indigenous people (Māori and Pasifika). It's not on the graph. That's surprising.
This can’t completely substitute prison; however, lesser crimes should be sent to a peacemaking center so that they can be better people and not suffer from maybe a mistake or mishap in judgement. Some people may take advantage of this opportunity so judges must be selective about who gets to go to attend.
A world without prisons is a world full of criminals.
The factors that make people commit crimes need to be addressed. And people will commit crimes when those exist .
13:40 so a school bus