Who is WRONG between these two videos? (A from Flukemaster) th-cam.com/video/S9EnmzLErj4/w-d-xo.html or (B from Johnnie Candle) th-cam.com/video/BYwG3y8_jSc/w-d-xo.html
Mostly all on spot, however when Flukemaster started to say “heavy action”, the confusion started. Heavy/Light are descriptors for power not taper or action.
@@Bassniper Flukemaster's fast action rod seems to have the point of maxima curvature closer to the tip than that of the moderate action rod. This is consistent with your definition of rod action stated @8:45. As a result, the moderate action rod gets bent to a lower position than the fast action rod under the same weight. On the other hand, the points of maxima curvature on Johnnie Candle's three rods (different actions but identical power), under the same weight, seem to be more or less the same or very difficult to judge where they are. But it is the extra fast (fastest) action rod that gets bent to the lowest position than the two slower action rods. This is contradictory to Flukmaster's rod graph. How can this be if both are right? Intuitively, if I need to bend a rod so much more to exert the same amount of force than the other rod. I would call the rod that needs to be bent more a slower rod. Thank you so much for making the video. I really like to know what you think. Thanks again!
The XF rod in the Candle video "bends to the lowest point" -- this "lowest point" is a measurement of how far the rod tip deviates from its original position (or from the extension axis of the butt section which was not bending), this is how we usually tell if a rod is "soft" or "stiff", however not how action is defined. Location of maxima curvature is how action is defined. However, in fact, how much a rod bends, or how much the rod tip deviates from its original position, is a combined effect of load (or more accurately, the load the rod is bearing relative to the rod's power) and action. When more load is added onto an extra fast action rod, the tip will bend more (deviate from original position), as can be seen in my video, this is because the starting point of bending (not maxima curvature) shifts toward the butt section under increasing load. Meanwhile, the entire tip section is also bending "more" due to increased load, making the rod tip shifting even further from its original position. However, the maxima curvature, or where it bends most, does not shift significantly under load. On the other hand, the slower the action, the more the rod tip deviates from original position, just imagine you force the rod to bend with only one hand holding close the top section (let's say 10 inch from tip) vs close to the middle section (say 20 inch from tip), if 3 degrees of bend in the top will result in half inch movement of the rod tip, then the same 3 degree bending in the middle section will result in 1 inch tip movement. So load and action together dictates how much rod tip moves from original position, and when we look at the bending curves without reference, it could be hard to catch the maxima curvature without allowing the rod tip deviation distance being the actual criterion for our eyes. If Flukemaster and Candle both align the rods against a straight reference, it will be much easier to see. This is basically what I did using the green screen. Hope this helps.
@@Bassniper You made really good points. Thank you for the detailed reply. Distinguishing the two concepts of starting point of bending and the point of maximum curvature really helps in trying to understand what's going on. However, in reality, no one can do these kind of testing before buying a rod, in particular, when choosing between rods of the same power and action labeling but from different manufactures. As often stated, there is no consistent definition for these labeling. Some advices on what people can actually do in a store before buying probably can be helpful to many. In any case, thank you for making these videos. You probably are the best on TH-cam in terms of explaining the mechanics, physics and the technical details of fishing. Thank you.
超專業！Respect！
欸，鵝大人親臨寒舍？別走，幫我開箱😄
酷斃了
Jerry哥真的可以把很複雜的講解，用影片很簡單的陳述，厲害啦!!
終於等到了
眼見為實搭配專業 太喜歡這種主題了
我想問的是1：一支竿子分別有出正常版跟st後綴版的，而且其他參數都一樣只差在st，那這樣他們調性是一樣的嗎？
2：st後綴的竿子會不適合拿來玩硬餌嗎，像米諾/spinnerbait/顫泳之類的嗎？
3：如果有st後綴的就是不是跟超快調的竿子一樣呢？
謝謝🙏
感謝您專業、科學又詳細的說明~
好專業，這種實際測驗的節目最珍貴了。
Jerry,什么时候测试下Shimano新款的bantam呀
上課嘍‼️
想请教一下，因为旅行只能带一根鱼竿，同样66ML的规格下，大多用软饵，偶尔会用到硬饵，F调性还是RF调性更适合呢？
硬餌如果不是什麼中到深的胖魚CRANKBAIT這些，快調子偶爾湊合一下還行，對於其他的比如抽停、水面係這些，快調子本來就可以，特別是ML力度的沒問題。
打破我原本的認知，真的長知識了，謝謝😄
讲得很清楚了
這就是專業🎉
多謝分享❤辛苦了😊
太厉害了🎉对了，那个Shimano Metanium 20我选XG的吧？还是HG的？
rod和reel都搞定啦，下单了，多谢多谢
哦对了，我这个线怎么选择？多少磅的PE线或者碳线呢？需要什么样的前导？多谢啦
請問
Power 跟 action 正常是成正比嗎？
兩者無關，任何力度的竿子可以做成任何調性。
可以做一期钓梭鲈的教学视频吗？
我钓的梭鲈屈指可数，可能50条都不到～～能做的只有误导哈哈～
@@Bassniper 还是非常感谢，继续学习你分享的钓鱼技巧
讲的太好了🎉
讲的最为详细，没有之一，连我自认对钓竿非常了解的人，也同样有了收获
科學終將戰勝一切。謝謝Jerry哥的教學影片。
請問可以聊聊竿子甚麼樣的情況下會像有些前輩的用久會變"軟的情況 以及有些人說竿子的磅數如何區分嗎?"例如:釣竿max1.5 pe 但碳線最高16磅 但已shimano pe來說1.5pe 可以承受36.2磅 感覺有點矛盾呢 可否請前輩分享呢?
變軟這個，不確定，原因是很少有人能夠在釣竿“變軟”之後，還保留同款新竿來比較。沒有比較的話，這種變軟的感覺，有多少是真正變軟，是值得商榷的。釣竿上的數字真的不是很仔細很講究，各個廠各自標準不同，而且真的只有釣竿廠本身才知道他們的數字是不是測定以後得出的。PE也不像尼龍，直徑對應標準拉力，不需要這樣去換算，各個品牌的差別也不是釣竿廠做釣竿時候會考慮的。有一些釣竿設定應用範圍不同，比方會說拋投餌重範圍和jigging餌重範圍，這兩個差很多，有時候對應用FC/PE來分別應對表示釣線磅數，這點需要區分。可以告訴我具體的釣竿型號，方便幫您參考。
@@Bassniper 謝謝前輩的解說🥰 目前使用的釣竿是shimano hard rocker ss s83Mh
目前網路資料沒有很多 所以一直找不到更多資料
PE線目前令人混淆，四編、八編甚至到十二編的同一PE數但拉力磅數各異，建議以磅數為準
@@jacksix6169 可是釣竿通常都標示幾號pe沒有標記磅數呢
專業👍
我以前習慣用1/9 2/8 3/7 4/6 5/5來形容調性
比較直觀的體現竿子得腰在哪
背景音乐声音太大了。😅
謝謝老師分享
Jerry，最近看到日系杆很多都是标regular，想问和美系moderate是一个意思吗？ Tactical bassin 他们有一集里提了一嘴说日系regular是变调
其實兩個類似的。
釣竿裡面有點點主觀的東西，回頭細說。
TS77真的很棒
power对应饵重，饵重对应目标鱼。但杆子其实也有级别的，同样MH，鲈杆可以最多到1oz，但musky杆可以去到3oz。
action看个人喜好，快调性灵敏但不易粘鱼，慢调性灵敏度差但易粘鱼。
不知道我理解的对否😅
Jerry你好，我很好奇，我有一根mh的鱼竿14lb line xf钓性这种鱼竿适合什么啊？
jig, Texas，軟餌類偏向
感謝jerry@@Bassniper
Jerry哥 請問如果線的磅數超過釣竿寫的範圍 會對釣竿有不好的地方嗎 例如：～#2pe 3-30g的釣竿 用#4pe丟20g的水表
如果你中可以拉斷4#PE的魚，然後你還是PE直結，竿子就有可能損壞（斷掉）。話雖如此，要在釣魚中釣斷釣竿是很難的，你說的情況最有可能損壞釣竿的，是比如掛底之後很多人喜歡猛力提竿，此時再用過度強力的線，就很可能損壞釣竿。正常作釣情況下，釣竿的釣線範圍不僅一般都是留有餘地，而且很多都不是實際測定之後標的。適當漲線，一般10-20%，問題不會太大。
只要不是煞車鎖死硬幹就還好
我的10-20磅竿雖然能承受大魚的摧殘但20磅的釣線偶爾撐不住，所以母線我用40磅PE線（線徑接近20磅尼龍線）來buff釣線的抗戰力可是煞車值我用20磅線的1/3
燒腦😂😂😂
买了根megabass的杆子，为什么f1可以扔1/8oz-1oz啊
Pagani还是P5里面的PopX? 这两支是按照复古风的单手玻璃钢竿子设计的。但是，我是真的不会用到1oz或者3/4oz这样。偶尔一下可以，一直用不舒服的，力度毕竟不够。
@@Bassniper popx😄 我是看他slow调线比较粗，我这里钓20lb鳟鱼用水滴轮扔养殖网箱边
@@Bassniper 我只需要1/8oz的饵重但是想能起鱼，一般的ul杆子提也提不动啊😂
棒棒棒棒的👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏
真的是都被名詞混淆了! jerry講得太清晰，以後有人問就叫她看這部就好了🤣🤣
杰瑞哥，插个题外问题。我有个scorpion xt1501-7，原来上的是全碳线，后来我换了1.2pe100米后发现抛不远了。后来直接接线加了100米，依然抛不远。请问您能解答吗？
全碳线几号的？
@@Bassniper 4号的全碳
非常专业的解释，作为小白的我很是受用！支持～
有一点还是比较好奇，就是我们如何通过杆子上的各种数据来辨别它适不适合我们的目标场地，目标鱼呢？
比如，我最近想买个大概200刀左右的初学杆子。场地是新西兰内陆运河，目标鱼是一些网箱跑出来的三文鱼和野生的trout。我看那些老外一般是1/8oz的jig head，8磅母线，6磅子线，能钓到10+甚至20磅的三文鱼。这种情况应该选什么调子，什么power的杆子？或者有什么推荐么？(别太贵的😂)
这个刚好是下一期的内容😄我就不打字了，买个关子吧🐟
用8磅母線的鱒魚竿。。。一般是L、ML或M power配fast 或X-fast調性
真不错 截取些片段发抖音吧
又轻又软的鱼杆很好，但是需要能带上飞机的款式
大渔出品必属精品
可以的話，我還是會習慣，讓我把玩一下就知道是不是我想要的
Jerry哥 😂 前俩天一直在madbull 跟imxpro 845cbd之间犹豫… 然后今天收了跟used的madbull跟下单了845… 想请问下madbull最好用来丢什么饵
（刚刚看完哈哈哈哈哈哈 大概了解了。。）
845CBR吧？Madbull用来spinnerbait, 水面饵（包括buzzbait），然后抽停饵，都很好用，crankbait用浅的或者是摆动不大的shad类或者平侧面的饵。
本來以為硬度跟調性會影響感度，但後面發現中高階的竿子，感度好像不受限制。6尺6MH的感度反而比，7尺2M還來的好。這是因為材質跟握把的原因嗎？
感度首先是一個非常主觀的感覺，和釣手對釣竿反應的熟悉程度也有關係；然後實際作釣時候的感度不僅僅是釣竿一項，釣線和操控方式也極端重要。回到您的問題，66MH和72M的竿子，都是單節嗎？材料一樣嗎？調性又分別是什麼？材料、調性、力度、釣竿的自重（竿體）和長度，導環種類、重量、數量和排布，握把材料樣式和竿胚穿過手把的方式都會影響釣竿「感度」。
讚👍🤣🤣
傑哥，不要啊😂
@@Bassniper 你學壞了🤣🤣🤣
Jerry这集解了我很大的疑惑，但剩下一个实际的问题:比如poison glorious，有类似2610L-MH，2610UL-M，2610ML-H这三个“变调竿”，我是把它理解成变power竿还是变action竿？在字面理解上是很容易理解为变power竿的
我也是这个疑问…m+怎么算啊😂
这些不是变调竿，比如2610UL-M,调子是FF，它和一般M力度FF调竿子的区别只是竿梢适合抛投饵重下限比一般的M力度的竿子低，2克起跳，相当于UL竿的抛投下限，腰部是M力度。基本就是适合抛投更轻饵的M力度的竿子，不是变调竿。M+也是类似，它的抛投饵重上限和MH类似，腰力也比M的要强。其实抛投下限收到抛投方式的影响很大。特别是纺车，即便是MH力度的钓竿，只要用像侧手回旋这样的抛投方式，一样可以抛投很小的2-3克的饵，所以它的这种标示，我持保留意见～
很多偏长的杆子 比如我的silver widow 733ML 它的后腰其实都是很硬的 这能帮助你更好的頂鱼 只是不像日本某些杆子 专门写出来而已 其实挺废话的 鱼竿的后半部当然会比前半部硬啊
竿廠很會營銷的。
好耶！
大鱼感谢您的细心分享，但是我越听越乱了😂
把之前聽過的所有關於硬度調性的都丟掉就好。
赞！听完了感觉终于懂了啥叫变调杆，但想想又不是很懂什么材料杆子可以做出来变调。😂
這點是竿廠的商業秘密了哈，不過變調竿的第二調性一般需要很大的力量才會表現出來。
jerry好專業，解答好多我的疑惑，相比之下一堆台灣的賣釣竿網路店家根本在瞎掰。
destroy p5 f4居然比f5杆尖要粗。。😂😂
🥰💯👍👍
我身边真是太多人都不懂这个鱼竿的power和taper了，拿起一根杆子就是一根杆子打天下，总觉得会缺少很多的钓鱼的乐趣。
很多人选竿只看能不能抛出去。那和沉底抛竿还有什么区别……
力度 快慢 先径 元径😅……
辛苦了，带病还要更新
基本好了哈，謝謝！
這種軟硬沒義意，買釣竿認得標示的意思，拿出來試試力度，調性
路亞竿都差不多，都是對應魚種同樣操竿方式，差別在於價錢
把power给说成是硬度，这可能是很多人直观觉得，难以弯曲的杆子腰力就更大，而硬杆子不容易弯曲，所以就以为越硬就腰力越大了。
有可能哦，我想找出處，但是沒找到。這個說法有可能。
Who is WRONG between these two videos? (A from Flukemaster) th-cam.com/video/S9EnmzLErj4/w-d-xo.html or (B from Johnnie Candle) th-cam.com/video/BYwG3y8_jSc/w-d-xo.html
Mostly all on spot, however when Flukemaster started to say “heavy action”, the confusion started. Heavy/Light are descriptors for power not taper or action.
@@Bassniper Flukemaster's fast action rod seems to have the point of maxima curvature closer to the tip than that of the moderate action rod. This is consistent with your definition of rod action stated @8:45. As a result, the moderate action rod gets bent to a lower position than the fast action rod under the same weight. On the other hand, the points of maxima curvature on Johnnie Candle's three rods (different actions but identical power), under the same weight, seem to be more or less the same or very difficult to judge where they are. But it is the extra fast (fastest) action rod that gets bent to the lowest position than the two slower action rods. This is contradictory to Flukmaster's rod graph. How can this be if both are right? Intuitively, if I need to bend a rod so much more to exert the same amount of force than the other rod. I would call the rod that needs to be bent more a slower rod. Thank you so much for making the video. I really like to know what you think. Thanks again!
The XF rod in the Candle video "bends to the lowest point" -- this "lowest point" is a measurement of how far the rod tip deviates from its original position (or from the extension axis of the butt section which was not bending), this is how we usually tell if a rod is "soft" or "stiff", however not how action is defined. Location of maxima curvature is how action is defined. However, in fact, how much a rod bends, or how much the rod tip deviates from its original position, is a combined effect of load (or more accurately, the load the rod is bearing relative to the rod's power) and action. When more load is added onto an extra fast action rod, the tip will bend more (deviate from original position), as can be seen in my video, this is because the starting point of bending (not maxima curvature) shifts toward the butt section under increasing load. Meanwhile, the entire tip section is also bending "more" due to increased load, making the rod tip shifting even further from its original position. However, the maxima curvature, or where it bends most, does not shift significantly under load. On the other hand, the slower the action, the more the rod tip deviates from original position, just imagine you force the rod to bend with only one hand holding close the top section (let's say 10 inch from tip) vs close to the middle section (say 20 inch from tip), if 3 degrees of bend in the top will result in half inch movement of the rod tip, then the same 3 degree bending in the middle section will result in 1 inch tip movement. So load and action together dictates how much rod tip moves from original position, and when we look at the bending curves without reference, it could be hard to catch the maxima curvature without allowing the rod tip deviation distance being the actual criterion for our eyes. If Flukemaster and Candle both align the rods against a straight reference, it will be much easier to see. This is basically what I did using the green screen. Hope this helps.
@@Bassniper You made really good points. Thank you for the detailed reply. Distinguishing the two concepts of starting point of bending and the point of maximum curvature really helps in trying to understand what's going on. However, in reality, no one can do these kind of testing before buying a rod, in particular, when choosing between rods of the same power and action labeling but from different manufactures. As often stated, there is no consistent definition for these labeling. Some advices on what people can actually do in a store before buying probably can be helpful to many. In any case, thank you for making these videos. You probably are the best on TH-cam in terms of explaining the mechanics, physics and the technical details of fishing. Thank you.
為了說硬度還是負荷,跟中國某釣竿品牌老闆吵到他不想理我!
是負荷是力度。真不曉得硬度什麼時候開始被用來和power劃等號的，相當不合適容易造成困擾。
而且每一家power的規格都太不相同,你的ML不等於我的ML.......