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Will you ever test the Titan generators from Point Zero Energy, and show just how good they really are compared to these High frequency units, especially the 240 sp. Show people the truth, about low frequency, compared to high frequency generators
I just bought the explorer 1000v2 which has the handle and a LiFePO4 battery stating 4000 cycles to 70%+ capacity... Paid $649 with solar panel at Lowes...
Jackery has so many recent complaints on Amazon for shipping problems and customer service problems, for shipping used, beat-up items as “new” items (is that why Jackery runs these “flash” sales? To dump their used inventory onto an unsuspecting public?)
I live in Georgia and we just dealt with hurricane Helena, My jackery 500 collapsed it won't even do nothing anymore just yesterday it got sent back to jackery thankfully it's under a 3 year warranty and I was only in year 2
Reminds me of the time (a few lifetimes ago) when a high school friend got fired from his job at a now-defunct famous major retailer for refusing to put a big "SALE!" sign on a lawnmower than had just had its price *increased* by about $20.
Omg thank you for telling me this!!! I just couldn’t understand why the newer version was only $100 difference and I just kept thinking something was wrong. Thank you for clearing that up!!
Thank you, as you say most people wouldn’t know that. I ordered Jackery EU1000v2, ir hasn’t arrived yet but am thinking about returning it before unboxing it. I am starting to find a few more videos like tis one and the more I see the less trust I have in Jackey. Now, back to my continued research to try and decide on a better option.
“Scam” is pretty harsh. There’s also a new 1000 v2 out now. All three are on sale right now…and Jackery products go on sale frequently anyway. I already bought (at the intro sale price) and use the new v2 and only bought the NMC 1000 about a year and half ago (on sale). I’m happy with the v2 so far, and you guys should review that one too. I think any of the 3 are a great value at the current sale prices. I do not own the Plus version. Almost got it…and probably would’ve if not for the v2.
Yep, but putting scam in the title gets more views. I do not like this trend, and sadly, we are contributing to it by just commenting. I guess I will put these guys on my do not watch list. Downvotes even contribute to "engagement". The only thing to combat it is not to watch, but you need to watch to realize the title is baiting.
Lithium Ion refers to all different kinds of lithium chemistries, including LifePo4 chemistry, and NMC. Both LifePo4 and NMC still use lithium ion transfer as a means for providing power. The older Jackery uses NMC chemistry cells, which certainly have their place. Higher energy density for their weight, something I have use for. For my use case, I'd actually opt for the NMC version, being that it is more compact, lighter, and I won't be cycling it much. NMC is the same chemistry used in things like your phone, tablets, and other portable devices as it offers a higher energy density than LifePo4.
Well said, thanks for posting. This guy is acting like he knows wtf he's talking about, and he knows next to nothing. The giveaway is when he refers to the old as lithium ion and the new as LFP, right in the beginning.🤦
You also have to take into consideration the poor performance of LiFePO4 in cold weather climates. It's well known that below 35°F, they don't charge well (or at all) and at temperatures below that, if you try and use them, you're dramatically reducing their life span
Thanks for pointing this out. That is disappointing that they wouldn't just do a clearance sale to get rid of the old-style products. That would be the more ethical and respectable thing for a business to do, given the situation.
The lithium ion Jackery Explorer 1000 is 22.04 lbs. The lifepo4 Jackery 1000 v2 is 23.8 lbs. They have comparable battery capacity, but the v2 has 50% more power output. The difference in weight is only 8%, it's very minimal.
@@diySolarPowerFunWithRay The 1000 Plus has nearly 1.3x the capacity and 2x the output, of course it weighs more, it's not a remotely similar product. The Jackery 1000 v2 has similar capacity to the Jackery 1000, only with lifepo4, and is nearly the same weight.
If you were buying in case of an emergency, I get why it wouldn't matter so much. I'm an avid overlander who, unfortunately, needs reliable power for a CPAP machine, so the benefits of the plus model make a big difference! Either way, get the 5 year protection plan. Take care of yourself, whatever that means to you!
Also most of these all in one power stations wont be working in 5 years if you use it often. Over-complicated tech with lots electronics that can fail with this type of application. So the battery cycle life might not be the main concern. I think from a safety standpoint all current lithium battery technology is a fire hazard although LiFePO4 is slightly safer. I would not want old any lithium batteries in my place.
I suppose there's a use for those little boxes. What I don't like is how so many of the companies selling them imply you can run your house on them for days and days. There's only so many amp hours in the box and you only get to use them once before you have to recharge.
Throw a solar panel outside and run your cord into the house to charge the battery box. Our energy efficient / large capacity deep freezer would run forever on that if necessary. Not with the Jackery 1000 but another unit with 3,000kwh. Even considering a cloudy day or rainy day we would still get bye. If you’re charging with grid power then there is no point to using it. Van life / outdoor life makes sense. For home backup these units are too small!
I got a 500w Jackery, old design, about 5 years ago. I think I've charged it like under 10 times. It holds the charge until I use it, and it's still doing the same job whenever I need it. Which is not very often granted. No regrets though. They should drop the price, you're right for making the video. If I were getting one today, I wouldn't have known the difference.
Good heads up. I don't mind if someone uses a cheaper battery as long as it includes a lower price. You can debate if it is worth the savings or not. I rarely use batteries, so I'm OK with not paying more for thousands of cycles. It's definitely a scam if you charge the same price for a cheaper battery just because you know that many people won't realize that it won't last as long.
Glad you are calling Jackery out on this. Just purchased a highly rated and evaluated Pecron LiFePO4 unit for $0.43 a watt hour and has a 5 year warranty. Just used it on my week long camping trip bouncing in the back of my off-road camper. Worked great.
@AlternativePower903 oh I didn’t consider the weight. Now that combined with the fact that this unit will have probably 1/3 the life of the LiFePO4 unit makes it worth it. NOT!
Li-FePO4 is a trade-off versus Li-ion, not an upgrade. Yes, they have more cycles and are a bit safer, but they also have less energy density. I charge my Jackery 500 once a month, so 500 cycles will last me 40 years. I don't need the new chemistry to increase that to 300 years. I carry these 15+ lbs. power stations everywhere, so I want the lowest weight and I don't care about the number of cycles.
Less density just means that the same battery in watt hours is slightly bigger for the lifepo4. Big deal. There is ZERO benefit to buying a lithium ion battery vs a lifepo4 battery. ZERO!
@@Chris-jt7xgget real. There is ZERO benefit in buying a lithium ion battery over a lifepo4 battery. That’s why ALL of the manufacturers have switched to lifepo4.
Thanks for the info! I hadn't realized that Jackery is doing Li-ion-Phos batteries. I was shying away from their brand because I didn't want a Li-ion battery system.
Nobody is buying the 1000 for $999. Retail is $599 and they go on sale for $549 or $499 regularly. The 1000 plus retailed originally for $1699 and sales for $799-999 regularly. There is also 1000 pro which is priced between the two models.
Yea these power stations from all the brands are regularly half off or have a huge coupon. The one I just got normally 999 but 40% of then has a 9% coupon that can be applied
Thanks for sharing I bought the explorer EX 1500 at Costco 6 months ago for $1300. Costco said I had to deal with jackery so jackery is replacing my explorer 1500. I asked the jackery technician on the phone why they are not selling these anymore. He said it's old technology no wonder I got such a good deal on it. Buyer beware
The 1000 and 1000 Plus are no longer the same price. The Plus is $200 more, although both are on sale right now. And there's also a 1000 v2 which is cheaper than the 1000 and has less surge power output than the 1000 even though it has the same capacity. I bought an Ecoflow, though. The Jackery only comes with an AC power cable. The Ecoflow comes with multiple cables including AC, car charging and solar to connect to my existing portable solar panel. And it was on sale as well because of Amazon Prime day. But I didn't have to be a Prime member to buy it directly from the manufacturer at the sale price.
500 cycles until 80% capacity. Considering that this is for camping, which most people won't do every single day of the year, the old one will probably last for 10 years as well. And it isn't as heavy. I've been using my Jackery 500 for two years now - and it hasn't shown any sign of reduced capacity so far.
Regardless of fine print or location of the details of a item in the specs, if Jackery lists the battery "type" of each unit, it's not shady. It's up to consumers to do their homework before purchasing. Being dishonest as a buisness however, would infact be shady. Bread listed as 100% whole wheat bread is very different from bread that's dyed brown and called "wheat bread."
The lithium iron phosphate batteries are cheaper for them to buy. They make more money off you when you buy the lithium iron phosphate. Unless they spent more money on the other parts and then it's a wash. The older lithium ion is lighter for the same capacity. 500 cycles would be 5 years of using it 50 weekends a year draining it each day you use it.
If you're going to drop $1,000 on a portable generator and you don't read and compare specs, that's not a scam, that's just being careless. Caveat Emptor.
It is good to see them switch to the better chemistry. I don't have a home battery system but I do use Bluetti and Jackery devices daily to work from home with solar energy. As such my original Jackery Explorer 500 gets the job done but it doesn't have 60+ watt USB C for direct DC laptop connection forcing me to the comparatively inefficient inverter. It also gets discharged to about 30% then recharged about 4 times a week so that 500 cycles is a meaningful limitation.
Great “exposé”. I am all in on LifeP04 batteries. 100% discharge rate and 8-10 year lifespan. I do believe the Jackie is overpriced at $999. I just built a 200ah 1000 W pure side wave power station for $891.
Ahhh ! .... on another video I was asking about this ! - and in this video you address the lithium ion battery vs the newer LiFePO4 battery. ( as I said many on Reddit were disappointed that Jacker was cheaping out by using older lithium ion technology in their batteries ) So glad I saw this video !
They’re $499 on Amazon…and it states in the specs there is a 2 year manufacturer warranty. And everything purchased on Amazon has a 30 money back guarantee…
They sent me the old style 240 as a gift for buying one of their larger systems with solar panels. I doubt I will ever get it down to the 80% point. Thanks for letting us know about the difference in their battery technology.
I just purchased the same Explorer 1000 Plus and the SolarSaga 100w panels do not 🚫 work. 0 input wattage with both panels connected, but it charges from AC without a problem 😳 Now I have to package everything back up and send it back by UPS... This sucks! F🤬 Jackery
I got the old one for $999 a while ago, but it included two panels as well. Also only really need it for hurricane prep, but yeah, definitely need to look into the newer ones.
The scam is the thing will break well well well before battery chemistry differences ever become an issue. And jackery will refuse to repair it, even if you offer to pay for the repair. THe whole thing gets thrown out. No replacement parts are available and Jackery won't repair
Harbor Freight still has older version on their site and in store. I steered away from it due to old battery technology. If they improved battery may consider new version.
Jackery should take action. What is left of their reputation is at stake. Sells them for 30-40% of the old list and clear them out as they still have some utility. Or give them to the people in NC and Florida who need power sources right now.
Appreciate the video. I bought my 1000 jackery w/ 2 100w solar panels for $699.. the newest v2 with 1 200w solar panel is $1299..I'll stick with mine as it gets charged 2 times a year and only gets used in power Outages. Think I'll be fine for the next 10+ years...even if it hits 80%
if you spent 1000$, then YOU are the one that got ripped off. Amazon has had them on sale from 650 to 450 most of the last 9 months. I mostly bought it for power outages in the winter or bad storms. I really don't think the average user is going to recharge it enough times to matter one vs the other. Plus the smaller one is 22 pounds, the larger one is ever heavier. My bad back will take the lighter one tyvm.
I’ve built my own 3,300KWh LiFePo4 power station in a milk crate for 1000$ Canadian. It’s got a 1200w inverter, a solar charging controller and Bluetooth monitoring.
I'm good with the smaller one. I don't use it a lot and it's smaller, takes up less space. Most of the things I have are smaller, and that's the way I like them. Ford Ranger, Suzuki Burgman scooter.
The older version is only 1" smaller in length, 1" smaller in width, and almost exactly the same height. The big difference is in weight and price, but you are definitely sacrificing a shorter life from the battery.
I don't think anyone is being scammed. They have stock to shift and then it's gone leaving only the updated version. I agree though that they should put the LION battery model on sale, it's only fair now.
I have the jackery 300 and been great for the past 2 years. We use it to charge tablets and phones daily and some practice or baseball games. Looking into the 1000 v2 and a refrigerator for travel games.
These things are getting cheaper every year. Pay your money and take your choice. I have the original jackery 1000. It works just fine and is lightweight and can’t see any reduction in power to date.
I'll likely never go 500 cycles on my 240 before something else zonks out on it. And, as you said, prices are coming down. People also need to figure out what they exactly need. If all you want is a rechargable battery bank, Anker has one that's about $190 for 90k mAh and it's touted as a great deal, except that it seems like it's mostly just a big-ass version of a battery bank. I can get a 38500 mAh battery bank for $25. 🤣
I was just talking to a friend about them having a low life cycle. He was like dude they are at like 4000. I was like last time I looked it was like 500. Glad I am not crazy.
The scam for me was buying one in the first place. I have never fully discharged my 500 jackery. Its too weak to cook from it, wont power an air conditioner. Charges phones ok and runs my string lights.
Yeah, I cant believe they still sell the old ones, for the same price no less. People will be buying these online for awhile and realize its worn out in a couple years. New unit might have the electronics wear out before the batteries do.
I bought the jackery 500 for like 300 bucks on Black Friday idk if it’s still a lose in the long run. I never use it but plan on having it for camping / power outage scenarios which happen very rarely
calling something old a scam because something new is different is just click baiting, maybe they should ran with that in the title, jackery clickbaits customer but i guess thats an old idea as well, i don`t wanna scam the new audience.
I got screwed. I bought the old one. I bought a 300 watt Bluetti for day to day camping stuff and rarely use the Jackery, unless I need 1000 watts. That way it will last longer.
It appears that the deceit here is, as he says, Jackery isn't just putting the old tech on clearance to make way for the new stuff. Perhaps as awareness is raised, there will be sweet Jackery deals on old tech this holiday season. This is kind of similar to what I've observed regarding point-and-shoot pocket cameras. I used to believe that, once the next version of tech came out, the $120 prince point models would be reduced to about $80 to clear them and make way. That is not the case. They have determined that $120 is the price point for whatever their entry level camera of this type is. And when the new tech comes out, they yank the old off the shelves without putting it on clearance and put the upgraded $120 camera out there. What they won't do is charge you any less than $120 for the entry level camera.
The LiFePO4 should be cheaper than the Li Ion because it contains no nickel, cobalt, or manganese. It's cheaper to manufacture and that is why many EV companies are switching over to LiFePO4. The other benefit is far less likely to catch on fire.
AT LAST someone who understands the formulae!!! (NOT confusing "Ion" with "Iron"!) WOOHOO! . I'm pretty sure the "fire issue" has been laid to rest now, mainly a function of either mechanical manufacturing tolerance (LG.... The GM issue) And/ or Chemical impurities from the "wet process" (detained by Jeff Dahn) now eliminated. . Plus, they're a high energy density, the equivalent of racing fuel.
I’m not impressed with Jackery. Own two and an EcoFlow. Knock wood no problems with the EcoFlow using it daily and one Jackery won’t do AC any more use it also daily. Opened it up and some copper coil thingy is off the circuit board. Guess I could solder it. Also owned a solar panel by them and it stopped working after 4 uses. They did replace it. Still I am not impressed with their products. Reminds me of goal zero. Had some bad experiences with their garbage over the years. Are they still around?
To late...I got screwed...My Old Explorer 1000 just failed, and I wasn't even using it? It started flashing the SOS signal through the flashlight, and I couldn't turn it off. I got it to stop by doing a reset, but a few moments later, it started flashing again...Ive owned it 13 months, with very little use, but I do store it fully charged. I attempted to contact Jackery, but I don't expect any help.
Jackery does take advantage of the people that don't know the difference in the batteries. And they are tricky about letting you know. Because they are trying to get rid of their old models. That's one thing that I don't like about them. I bought one of their models and after a lot of research I caught onto what they were doing before I bought the 3000 pro. But I realize that the 3000+ will be coming out and it will have Lithium, iron and phosphate batteries I knew what I was getting into, but some people will buy the 3000+ not knowing
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Jackery... What re you doing!? It doesn't mater what Jackery unit your are trying to buy, if you purchase an older style Jackery Power Station - you are getting scammed! There is no way these old units should be sold at the same price as their new power stations with LiFePO4 battery chemistry.
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Will you ever test the Titan generators from Point Zero Energy, and show just how good they really are compared to these High frequency units, especially the 240 sp. Show people the truth, about low frequency, compared to high frequency generators
The scam is the price tag.
Absolutely agree!
@@bigmeany1184 I feel all quality batteries at this capacity cost about the same, if not more? Is the scam trying to make a profit?
Yeah, that's what he said.
1000 stinking voltz for $999, way too much money, I will stick with a generator at those prices.
Ever price a brand new 56v EGO battery? For just the batteries alone, Jackery is a pretty good deal.
I just bought the explorer 1000v2 which has the handle and a LiFePO4 battery stating 4000 cycles to 70%+ capacity... Paid $649 with solar panel at Lowes...
Which jackery would you compare that to?
@@worldpeace8187it is the jackery explorer 1000 v2
Amazon right now, $499 plus $40 off . $506 with tax
@@BmanArtlooks like that’s just the unit and no solar panels but still a great price. The panel I got looks to be about $200
Jackery has so many recent complaints on Amazon for shipping problems and customer service problems, for shipping used, beat-up items as “new” items (is that why Jackery runs these “flash” sales? To dump their used inventory onto an unsuspecting public?)
I paid $479 for the old one last week. I bought it because I live in Louisiana and it’s hurricane season.
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looks like you got it just in time for Francine
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I live in Georgia and we just dealt with hurricane Helena, My jackery 500 collapsed it won't even do nothing anymore just yesterday it got sent back to jackery thankfully it's under a 3 year warranty and I was only in year 2
Reminds me of the time (a few lifetimes ago) when a high school friend got fired from his job at a now-defunct famous major retailer for refusing to put a big "SALE!" sign on a lawnmower than had just had its price *increased* by about $20.
That friend is a good man. I hope he's done well and been recognized for his integrity.
Brought the older model on sale for 45% off. I’m happy with it
Same here got two 100w solar panels with it also. Very happy with my purchase. Don’t buy these at full price, Jackery does big sales every so often.
Where at?
@@SupremeTalkShow420 Amazon contacted me.
Brought it? Where did you bring it?
@@buzman1985 Home from the store. 😀
Omg thank you for telling me this!!! I just couldn’t understand why the newer version was only $100 difference and I just kept thinking something was wrong. Thank you for clearing that up!!
Thank you, as you say most people wouldn’t know that. I ordered Jackery EU1000v2, ir hasn’t arrived yet but am thinking about returning it before unboxing it. I am starting to find a few more videos like tis one and the more I see the less trust I have in Jackey. Now, back to my continued research to try and decide on a better option.
The inverter or some other electronic part is going to fail way before the battery capacity falls below 80% from cycling on either of those.
“Scam” is pretty harsh. There’s also a new 1000 v2 out now. All three are on sale right now…and Jackery products go on sale frequently anyway. I already bought (at the intro sale price) and use the new v2 and only bought the NMC 1000 about a year and half ago (on sale). I’m happy with the v2 so far, and you guys should review that one too.
I think any of the 3 are a great value at the current sale prices. I do not own the Plus version. Almost got it…and probably would’ve if not for the v2.
agreed, they're all very good value during Amazon prime day and/or Blk Fri and decent value during the remaining holiday sales throughout the year.
Yep, but putting scam in the title gets more views. I do not like this trend, and sadly, we are contributing to it by just commenting. I guess I will put these guys on my do not watch list. Downvotes even contribute to "engagement". The only thing to combat it is not to watch, but you need to watch to realize the title is baiting.
Lithium Ion refers to all different kinds of lithium chemistries, including LifePo4 chemistry, and NMC. Both LifePo4 and NMC still use lithium ion transfer as a means for providing power. The older Jackery uses NMC chemistry cells, which certainly have their place. Higher energy density for their weight, something I have use for. For my use case, I'd actually opt for the NMC version, being that it is more compact, lighter, and I won't be cycling it much. NMC is the same chemistry used in things like your phone, tablets, and other portable devices as it offers a higher energy density than LifePo4.
^this!
All my phones and tablets have LFP batteries though 😂
Well said, thanks for posting. This guy is acting like he knows wtf he's talking about, and he knows next to nothing. The giveaway is when he refers to the old as lithium ion and the new as LFP, right in the beginning.🤦
You also have to take into consideration the poor performance of LiFePO4 in cold weather climates.
It's well known that below 35°F, they don't charge well (or at all) and at temperatures below that, if you try and use them, you're dramatically reducing their life span
Thanks for pointing this out. That is disappointing that they wouldn't just do a clearance sale to get rid of the old-style products. That would be the more ethical and respectable thing for a business to do, given the situation.
Good job for telling us and Thank you for knowledgeable info!
One thing you might have mentioned is that the lithium ion pack is significantly lighter as li-ion is much more energy dense than lifepo.
The new version is way heavier. By 1/3 rd. Because I'm not going to use all the Cycles I do you like the lighter version... that's just me.
The lithium ion Jackery Explorer 1000 is 22.04 lbs. The lifepo4 Jackery 1000 v2 is 23.8 lbs. They have comparable battery capacity, but the v2 has 50% more power output. The difference in weight is only 8%, it's very minimal.
@@guspaz the jacjery 1000 plus weighs 32lbs. About 10 pounds more.
@@diySolarPowerFunWithRay The 1000 Plus has nearly 1.3x the capacity and 2x the output, of course it weighs more, it's not a remotely similar product. The Jackery 1000 v2 has similar capacity to the Jackery 1000, only with lifepo4, and is nearly the same weight.
If you were buying in case of an emergency, I get why it wouldn't matter so much. I'm an avid overlander who, unfortunately, needs reliable power for a CPAP machine, so the benefits of the plus model make a big difference! Either way, get the 5 year protection plan. Take care of yourself, whatever that means to you!
So which did you get, I was also looking at ecoflow and people "scam alerting" that as well.
Not the biggest fan of Jackery (imo they are overpriced), but this isn't a scam. LiPo lasts longer but weighs much more. It's a tradeoff.
It also costs more in Jackery models. OPs info in not correct.
Also most of these all in one power stations wont be working in 5 years if you use it often. Over-complicated tech with lots electronics that can fail with this type of application. So the battery cycle life might not be the main concern. I think from a safety standpoint all current lithium battery technology is a fire hazard although LiFePO4 is slightly safer. I would not want old any lithium batteries in my place.
@@practicalguy973 - New Jackerys have a 5 year warranty.
I suppose there's a use for those little boxes. What I don't like is how so many of the companies selling them imply you can run your house on them for days and days. There's only so many amp hours in the box and you only get to use them once before you have to recharge.
Bologne. You can use 10% at a time or 1% at a time. There's no such limitation to use only once before the next charge 😂😂😂
@@ChatGPT1111 You don't know what you're talking about, do you?
Throw a solar panel outside and run your cord into the house to charge the battery box. Our energy efficient / large capacity deep freezer would run forever on that if necessary. Not with the Jackery 1000 but another unit with 3,000kwh. Even considering a cloudy day or rainy day we would still get bye. If you’re charging with grid power then there is no point to using it. Van life / outdoor life makes sense. For home backup these units are too small!
I got a 500w Jackery, old design, about 5 years ago. I think I've charged it like under 10 times. It holds the charge until I use it, and it's still doing the same job whenever I need it. Which is not very often granted. No regrets though.
They should drop the price, you're right for making the video. If I were getting one today, I wouldn't have known the difference.
Good heads up. I don't mind if someone uses a cheaper battery as long as it includes a lower price. You can debate if it is worth the savings or not. I rarely use batteries, so I'm OK with not paying more for thousands of cycles. It's definitely a scam if you charge the same price for a cheaper battery just because you know that many people won't realize that it won't last as long.
Glad you are calling Jackery out on this. Just purchased a highly rated and evaluated Pecron LiFePO4 unit for $0.43 a watt hour and has a 5 year warranty. Just used it on my week long camping trip bouncing in the back of my off-road camper. Worked great.
How often did you have to charge the unit on your trip
@@feline-n6b just charged before I left and that was it. It was the 1500 wh. Normally charge as I drive from wires off the Jeep battery.
@AlternativePower903 oh I didn’t consider the weight. Now that combined with the fact that this unit will have probably 1/3 the life of the LiFePO4 unit makes it worth it. NOT!
Thanks for catching that. Im glad your calling out company that do shady stuff .
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Li-FePO4 is a trade-off versus Li-ion, not an upgrade. Yes, they have more cycles and are a bit safer, but they also have less energy density. I charge my Jackery 500 once a month, so 500 cycles will last me 40 years. I don't need the new chemistry to increase that to 300 years. I carry these 15+ lbs. power stations everywhere, so I want the lowest weight and I don't care about the number of cycles.
All of the above. AND sometimes the low temp charge cutoff is lower on Li-ion, so Li-ion can be better for cold climate users.
Thats assuming it doesn't have random product failure
What all can to run with this, for how long and how much at a time?
Less density just means that the same battery in watt hours is slightly bigger for the lifepo4. Big deal. There is ZERO benefit to buying a lithium ion battery vs a lifepo4 battery. ZERO!
@@Chris-jt7xgget real. There is ZERO benefit in buying a lithium ion battery over a lifepo4 battery. That’s why ALL of the manufacturers have switched to lifepo4.
Thanks for the info! I hadn't realized that Jackery is doing Li-ion-Phos batteries. I was shying away from their brand because I didn't want a Li-ion battery system.
They're ALL "Li-ion" batteries.
You mean "I don't want the higher energy *Nickel* based cells"
I wish I had seen this before I bought mine. Let the buyer beware, I guess.
Nobody is buying the 1000 for $999.
Retail is $599 and they go on sale for $549 or $499 regularly.
The 1000 plus retailed originally for $1699 and sales for $799-999 regularly.
There is also 1000 pro which is priced between the two models.
Yea these power stations from all the brands are regularly half off or have a huge coupon. The one I just got normally 999 but 40% of then has a 9% coupon that can be applied
The explorer 1000 and two panels is $799 on Amazon right now
The old jackery style is on Amazon store for $549 right now.
It’s down to $499 as 12 July…
I got mine for $479 on Prime Day at Amazon.
Thanks for sharing I bought the explorer EX 1500 at Costco 6 months ago for $1300. Costco said I had to deal with jackery so jackery is replacing my explorer 1500. I asked the jackery technician on the phone why they are not selling these anymore. He said it's old technology no wonder I got such a good deal on it. Buyer beware
The 1000 and 1000 Plus are no longer the same price. The Plus is $200 more, although both are on sale right now. And there's also a 1000 v2 which is cheaper than the 1000 and has less surge power output than the 1000 even though it has the same capacity. I bought an Ecoflow, though. The Jackery only comes with an AC power cable. The Ecoflow comes with multiple cables including AC, car charging and solar to connect to my existing portable solar panel. And it was on sale as well because of Amazon Prime day. But I didn't have to be a Prime member to buy it directly from the manufacturer at the sale price.
500 cycles until 80% capacity. Considering that this is for camping, which most people won't do every single day of the year, the old one will probably last for 10 years as well. And it isn't as heavy. I've been using my Jackery 500 for two years now - and it hasn't shown any sign of reduced capacity so far.
I had a Jackery panel that broke. Their customer service said “go buy a new one” 😂
Regardless of fine print or location of the details of a item in the specs, if Jackery lists the battery "type" of each unit, it's not shady. It's up to consumers to do their homework before purchasing. Being dishonest as a buisness however, would infact be shady. Bread listed as 100% whole wheat bread is very different from bread that's dyed brown and called "wheat bread."
LiFePO4 battery is a LOT safer for storing around the house, or in your car, than the older lithium ion ones.
The lithium iron phosphate batteries are cheaper for them to buy. They make more money off you when you buy the lithium iron phosphate. Unless they spent more money on the other parts and then it's a wash. The older lithium ion is lighter for the same capacity. 500 cycles would be 5 years of using it 50 weekends a year draining it each day you use it.
If you're going to drop $1,000 on a portable generator and you don't read and compare specs, that's not a scam, that's just being careless. Caveat Emptor.
It is NOT a generator. It is just a battery bank.
I just bought the new version for $499 as Amazon has a sale!
Yep used jackery twice now won’t hold a charge. Absolute waste of money.
It is good to see them switch to the better chemistry. I don't have a home battery system but I do use Bluetti and Jackery devices daily to work from home with solar energy. As such my original Jackery Explorer 500 gets the job done but it doesn't have 60+ watt USB C for direct DC laptop connection forcing me to the comparatively inefficient inverter. It also gets discharged to about 30% then recharged about 4 times a week so that 500 cycles is a meaningful limitation.
Great “exposé”. I am all in on LifeP04 batteries. 100% discharge rate and 8-10 year lifespan. I do believe the Jackie is overpriced at $999. I just built a 200ah 1000 W pure side wave power station for $891.
I build my own also if anything goes wrong I can fix it myself it's the only way to go in my opinion
Ahhh ! .... on another video I was asking about this ! - and in this video you address the lithium ion battery vs the newer LiFePO4 battery. ( as I said many on Reddit were disappointed that Jacker was cheaping out by using older lithium ion technology in their batteries ) So glad I saw this video !
The older one are on Amazon for $579- NONREFUNDABLE 😏
They’re available on the Jackery website for $529 and fully warrantied. I’ve had great experiences with their customer service too.
They’re $499 on Amazon…and it states in the specs there is a 2 year manufacturer warranty. And everything purchased on Amazon has a 30 money back guarantee…
Every large battery you buy from amazon is going to be "nonRETURNABLE" - because of shipping a battery.
@@simpleme5719 30 days to return it according to Amazon
They sent me the old style 240 as a gift for buying one of their larger systems with solar panels. I doubt I will ever get it down to the 80% point. Thanks for letting us know about the difference in their battery technology.
I just purchased the same Explorer 1000 Plus and the SolarSaga 100w panels do not 🚫 work. 0 input wattage with both panels connected, but it charges from AC without a problem 😳 Now I have to package everything back up and send it back by UPS... This sucks! F🤬 Jackery
I got the old one for $999 a while ago, but it included two panels as well. Also only really need it for hurricane prep, but yeah, definitely need to look into the newer ones.
Here's something nobody ever asks...and should. How do you return their product if it fails? Go read the laws from the DOT.
The 1000 was 499 with amazon prime, now it's 479 on a prime day deal
I paid $499 during their 50%off🤦🏻♂️ fathers day.. i got ripped of $20🤬
I just got the new version on sale on Amazon for $459. Post sale, they still had it for $549.00. It's going in my van to be a mobile power station.
I purchased a renewed jackery 880 for $350. I felt like it was a decent deal…
The scam is the thing will break well well well before battery chemistry differences ever become an issue. And jackery will refuse to repair it, even if you offer to pay for the repair. THe whole thing gets thrown out. No replacement parts are available and Jackery won't repair
Harbor Freight still has older version on their site and in store.
I steered away from it due to old battery technology. If they improved battery may consider new version.
Thank you for this information! Much appreciated.
Jackery should take action. What is left of their reputation is at stake. Sells them for 30-40% of the old list and clear them out as they still have some utility. Or give them to the people in NC and Florida who need power sources right now.
Appreciate the video. I bought my 1000 jackery w/ 2 100w solar panels for $699.. the newest v2 with 1 200w solar panel is $1299..I'll stick with mine as it gets charged 2 times a year and only gets used in power Outages. Think I'll be fine for the next 10+ years...even if it hits 80%
Thank you! I already own the older version, about 5 years now. So, if I pursue another Jackery purchase, I will know the difference.
if you spent 1000$, then YOU are the one that got ripped off. Amazon has had them on sale from 650 to 450 most of the last 9 months. I mostly bought it for power outages in the winter or bad storms. I really don't think the average user is going to recharge it enough times to matter one vs the other. Plus the smaller one is 22 pounds, the larger one is ever heavier. My bad back will take the lighter one tyvm.
I’ve built my own 3,300KWh LiFePo4 power station in a milk crate for 1000$ Canadian. It’s got a 1200w inverter, a solar charging controller and Bluetooth monitoring.
YOU ARE ACTUALLY COMPLAINING BECAUSE THEY DID JACK THE PRICE UP ON THE NEW MODEL ?!?! Thanks for your help!
I'm good with the smaller one. I don't use it a lot and it's smaller, takes up less space. Most of the things I have are smaller, and that's the way I like them. Ford Ranger, Suzuki Burgman scooter.
The older version is only 1" smaller in length, 1" smaller in width, and almost exactly the same height. The big difference is in weight and price, but you are definitely sacrificing a shorter life from the battery.
@@paullinkins8121 Still smaller, and I don't hardly ever use it.
I don't think anyone is being scammed. They have stock to shift and then it's gone leaving only the updated version.
I agree though that they should put the LION battery model on sale, it's only fair now.
I have the jackery 300 and been great for the past 2 years. We use it to charge tablets and phones daily and some practice or baseball games. Looking into the 1000 v2 and a refrigerator for travel games.
These things are getting cheaper every year. Pay your money and take your choice. I have the original jackery 1000. It works just fine and is lightweight and can’t see any reduction in power to date.
I'll likely never go 500 cycles on my 240 before something else zonks out on it. And, as you said, prices are coming down.
People also need to figure out what they exactly need. If all you want is a rechargable battery bank, Anker has one that's about $190 for 90k mAh and it's touted as a great deal, except that it seems like it's mostly just a big-ass version of a battery bank. I can get a 38500 mAh battery bank for $25. 🤣
I was just talking to a friend about them having a low life cycle. He was like dude they are at like 4000. I was like last time I looked it was like 500. Glad I am not crazy.
The scam for me was buying one in the first place. I have never fully discharged my 500 jackery. Its too weak to cook from it, wont power an air conditioner. Charges phones ok and runs my string lights.
Yeah, I cant believe they still sell the old ones, for the same price no less. People will be buying these online for awhile and realize its worn out in a couple years. New unit might have the electronics wear out before the batteries do.
I bought the jackery 500 for like 300 bucks on Black Friday idk if it’s still a lose in the long run. I never use it but plan on having it for camping / power outage scenarios which happen very rarely
I got the old one a couple months ago at over 50% off. It is a reconditioned one, but I use it for running a laser at craft shows. gets the job done.
Thank you. I almost bought the wrong one.
Appreciate you exposing Jackery as a scam
This is not a scam. It’s just progress.
calling something old a scam because something new is different is just click baiting, maybe they should ran with that in the title, jackery clickbaits customer but i guess thats an old idea as well, i don`t wanna scam the new audience.
Lol, a 1000.00 battery there bud.. that's all it is..
Thank you so much for that information, I am looking to buy one or something similar and didn't know that. Again, thank you from southern Spain.
Thank you for that excellent information!
I got screwed. I bought the old one. I bought a 300 watt Bluetti for day to day camping stuff and rarely use the Jackery, unless I need 1000 watts. That way it will last longer.
CanI leave it plugged 120 and use it for an APS for my computer work station at home?
Hear any problems with solar charging by the new one ?
Thanks for the heads up.
🙏🦉
Explorer 1000 priced at $579 on Amazon today 6/23/24. I guess they saw your video ! 😂
Nice, I have been looking forward to seeing what these new type battery can do. Quite impressive.
It appears that the deceit here is, as he says, Jackery isn't just putting the old tech on clearance to make way for the new stuff. Perhaps as awareness is raised, there will be sweet Jackery deals on old tech this holiday season.
This is kind of similar to what I've observed regarding point-and-shoot pocket cameras. I used to believe that, once the next version of tech came out, the $120 prince point models would be reduced to about $80 to clear them and make way.
That is not the case. They have determined that $120 is the price point for whatever their entry level camera of this type is. And when the new tech comes out, they yank the old off the shelves without putting it on clearance and put the upgraded $120 camera out there.
What they won't do is charge you any less than $120 for the entry level camera.
No scam.... Jackery is the BEST battery backup you can buy, hands down!
On sale now 40% off. Is it worth dropping $14k+ ($10k after rebates) for a 24kwh Jackery 2000 plus setup? Or should I build my own system?
Thanks for the info. Can you show info on transfer switches by jackery.
Lithium ion phosphate. Got it. Is this change available on all/most brands? Is the life difference similar across most brands?
I bought mine recently for $300.00 on Amazon but this is good to know
The LiFePO4 should be cheaper than the Li Ion because it contains no nickel, cobalt, or manganese. It's cheaper to manufacture and that is why many EV companies are switching over to LiFePO4. The other benefit is far less likely to catch on fire.
AT LAST someone who understands the formulae!!!
(NOT confusing "Ion" with "Iron"!)
WOOHOO!
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I'm pretty sure the "fire issue" has been laid to rest now, mainly a function of either mechanical manufacturing tolerance (LG.... The GM issue)
And/ or
Chemical impurities from the "wet process" (detained by Jeff Dahn) now eliminated.
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Plus, they're a high energy density, the equivalent of racing fuel.
I’m not impressed with Jackery. Own two and an EcoFlow. Knock wood no problems with the EcoFlow using it daily and one Jackery won’t do AC any more use it also daily. Opened it up and some copper coil thingy is off the circuit board. Guess I could solder it. Also owned a solar panel by them and it stopped working after 4 uses. They did replace it. Still I am not impressed with their products. Reminds me of goal zero. Had some bad experiences with their garbage over the years. Are they still around?
GREAT ADVICE. THANK U
1000 dollars for what is esenrially a 200 dollar 12 volt battery and a cheap inverter stuffed in a trendy box
Thank you ☺️
Yoooooo Robbie! I’m stoked I found another of your channels.
Thanks Man!
Thanks for the heads-up. Appreciate it. Screw Jackery. I'm buying from a different brand.
Very important info, thank you.
They make everything clear so it's not a scam then, is it?
To late...I got screwed...My Old Explorer 1000 just failed, and I wasn't even using it? It started flashing the SOS signal through the flashlight, and I couldn't turn it off. I got it to stop by doing a reset, but a few moments later, it started flashing again...Ive owned it 13 months, with very little use, but I do store it fully charged. I attempted to contact Jackery, but I don't expect any help.
I paid 500 euro for the older version. I don't feel scammed
Jackery does take advantage of the people that don't know the difference in the batteries. And they are tricky about letting you know. Because they are trying to get rid of their old models. That's one thing that I don't like about them. I bought one of their models and after a lot of research I caught onto what they were doing before I bought the 3000 pro. But I realize that the 3000+ will be coming out and it will have Lithium, iron and phosphate batteries
I knew what I was getting into, but some people will buy the 3000+ not knowing