Learned a TON playing current ranked silver watching a 4 year old video! Kuro is by far Best DD content producer. Miss you Kuro, hope you are well. Neustra vs Black still a common matchup June 2024.
I’ve watched a few of your videos. Beating Ducati_Black in a 1 vs 1 impressed me. I’ve seen him play in multiple Ranked seasons and have a lot of respect for his play. Do you think Black and Neustrashimmy make all other Tier 9 DDs weak by comparison? (Assuming equally skilled players) P.S. watching you use heal has really helped me with Jutland play. Thanks.
No. The ships afford XYZ capability, but the real deciding factor is the player. Each ship plays different than the others. Plenty of tech tree options are viable this season, for example Jutland is probably one of the best front line DDs, its got great guns, good torps, and the short smokes are amazing for generating a lot of pressure on enemy DDs that have used their smoke the first engagement. Kitakaze is just damage, great concealment, great torps just drives like a truck. Play any of the DDs to its strength and you will win games. The only weak option I believe is Chung Mu, that is due to the DD heavy meta, plus gun nerf WG recently did. Having a lack of smoke like Black does when radar is mounted places you at a clear disadvantage. So does less gun DPM that a Fletcher class. If the meta had more BBs and CAs Chung Mu would probably be fine.
Kuro, I think you are the best DD contributor. I look forward to your vids. A while back you mentioned looking at a build for Jutland/Daring using Jack Dunkirk to take advantage of the 10% shorter consumable reload. Did you pursue that further? Thanks.
Its on the back burner as ranked and CB took me away from T10. I think I have the captain around 14 points or so. I wont try it until I have a 19 point captain to make sure its a fair test. Its not helped by me shifting my FXP stream from leveling captains to funding for Friesland when it is released. I'll get it done, just going to take longer than I anticipated.
I am telling you you are wrong. I can do that with any of the DD line. I see where the ship is when they shoot and hit that. Its just a matter of leading them correctly.
@@destroyerkuroshiokai then you are a master of pixels, because the vertical aim can go off very easily in case of a high arc. (we are still talking about blindfiring into smoke.)
Because Black never was a real steel DD, it was priced so players ranking out 5 times could buy her, she is still a ranked reward ship and is priced as such. I expect all new T9 steel DDs to be priced around what Neustrashimy is.
Had a game where I tanked a Tashkent by a decent player eventually killing him, tanked 48.3k damage, a new record and only a couple thousand HP from the theoretical max HP pool of the build. I like the ship because it wins games so differently than other DDs.
@@destroyerkuroshiokai That Tashkent was probably me. =x Had some gud games with you yesterday. Max dmg Neus can take, I believe is 50,100. IF dmg saturation allows you to use up every second of that heal.
@@destroyerkuroshiokai Normally, Taskent vs Neustr is an even matchup. Tash has more guns and larger up pool, but neu has the super heal. I recall in our engagement getting hit with fires almost every salvo. Had I not traded SI for ifhe, things might have been different. To make up for this I use ovechkin SE. I think many people still don't realize that SE actually enhances how much dmg per sec is healed by the heal party and more so with ovechkin.
@@aiseraiser8014 Glad you stopped by. How are you doing with IFHE on Tashkent? I was tempted to try it, but with all the DDs I focused more on HP pool and gun DPM with DE to help out on the larger ships.
Probably my ship display mod, but I'm not sure. I never noticed it was different before until you said something. The videos here showing what I run. th-cam.com/video/XDpt6tW8-dg/w-d-xo.html
Going back and forth in smoke while broadside to the dd charging you in that smoke is kind of a bad move right? When you smoke, get the torps out if yer gonna, then nose in or out. Makes it easier to dodge enemy torps, but also makes it a lot harder to blind fire you. The black did it wrong, there, and it cost him and his team. Broadside in smoke in a 1v1 dd match is not smart, especially against such flat gun arcs. Practically suicide.
Yeah, I've rewatched this like three times, he flat out did it wrong. Any black players should know not to make it easier to be blind fired. Hell, any dd player should know that. Being broadside in smoke multiple times in a ranked match, against a neutra while he had radar up seeing you charging towards him and continuing to fire... Yeah, he shoulda retreated, torping along the way, while NOT giving any broadside to you unless at full clip. He was playing it like HE was the one with the heal, and you were the one with radar. Happens to the best of us, but should def be pointed out if you're suggesting this in any way represents 'really good' play. The key of the encounter, indeed the entire team's match, was him NOT playing too aggresive once he saw he had a neutra and a cruiser backing it up, he should have played the stalling game, giving ground while lacing out those sea mines black calls torpedos, and taking advantage of his rpf.
He smoked up, with his limited time of radar active didnt really have much time to move around. Its a limitation of Black, and part of the reason why I think its the most over rated DD. Trajectory didnt matter, you see the firing point, calculate lead and fire. If he angled I would see that too. Even if he were behind the smoke I can hit it due to the way shells render in smoke. Ive done this with every DD line repeatedly.
@@destroyerkuroshiokai Nah, man, you watch that first encounter, again, and watch closely. He was perfect range for smoke radar, but he didn't. Instead just turned broadside to you, even thou he had rpf to tell him where you are. Turning broadside while in smoke is no different in a fuckin' black than any other dd. had NOTHING to do with the dd the guy was in, it had to do with how he played it. Broadside in the smoke TWICE IN A ROW, bad play. He should have smoke +radar combo'd you the first encounter (without going broadside) turning outward from you on other side of smoke and disengage. Second encounter would have likely happened in the same place as well, and I'd have done the same. Smoke radar combo, turning out towards the cap when radar finished, never being broadside to you. He then would have had life left to do the same thing AT the cap, buying his team ALL that time of 2 of you guys fucking with 1 of him. I get this guy is a friend or something, or you have a personal hatred for the black, one, the other, or both, but saying that guy didn't play it wrong is rediculous. He played it wrong every chance he got in this particular match. It happens. To EVERYONE.....
@@destroyerkuroshiokai If you think flat trajectory arcs don't make blind firing into smoke EASIER, I really have no idea what to say to you. Go talk to the people YOU feel are knowledgeable about such things, you are in for a shock.... But yes, not having floaty ass, long time to target shells most DEFINATELY helps in that situation, as they will have less time to move from when you pull the trigger to the time when the shells get there. You understand that, right?
@@destroyerkuroshiokai Behind the smoke isn't as important as NOT GOING BROADSIDE WHILE NOT MOVING.... c'mon man, who is this guy, yer fuckin' daddy? He played it wrong. You played it right. You won. Instead of claiming it's a destroyer weakness, point out the flaw in the piloting first. When you get one where the other guy actually plays half way decent, then start blaming the boat. Didn't matter WHAT dd that guy was in, he was gonna get hit in the smoke playing that way. Period. Because you aren't a moron, you can hit a broadside target in smoke that barely moves from 5km away, like most people in competitive should be able to. He, as a 'really really good black player' should fuckin' KNOW this. All I'm saying is, black may be overrated. But no matter WHAT dd he was in, playing the way he played that was gonna get him killed either way.
@@destroyerkuroshiokai maybe, they seemed so slow coming from the Black. Is there a vid where you discuss ranked/cb specific builds for captains? Thanks
@@gabrielantona Yeah I was still in slow mo from discussing the final engagement. I was sick as a dog and was late hitting the resume button for normal speed. Unlike others I dont like leaving out of date build info around. It costs people IRL money to change stuff, and I dont want someone upset they watched a video from a year ago and something changed in the meta making that build less optimal. Here is my Neustra build: wowsft.com/ship?index=PRSD709&modules=11111&upgrades=143222&commander=PAW405&skills=2154987522&consumables=22222&lang=en My Black build: wowsft.com/ship?index=PASD709&modules=11111&upgrades=163223&commander=PCW001&skills=3222439938&consumables=111&lang=en Just post in any video if you want opinions on a build. In the future I will have a Discord channel set up where you guys can ask that, and there will be builds posted in one place where I can keep them updated.
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Learned a TON playing current ranked silver watching a 4 year old video! Kuro is by far Best DD content producer. Miss you Kuro, hope you are well. Neustra vs Black still a common matchup June 2024.
Thanks for the excellent video. The game play commentary was very good and I appreciate that you took time to show and explain these differences
Glad you found it useful!
I’ve watched a few of your videos. Beating Ducati_Black in a 1 vs 1 impressed me. I’ve seen him play in multiple Ranked seasons and have a lot of respect for his play.
Do you think Black and Neustrashimmy make all other Tier 9 DDs weak by comparison? (Assuming equally skilled players)
P.S. watching you use heal has really helped me with Jutland play. Thanks.
No. The ships afford XYZ capability, but the real deciding factor is the player. Each ship plays different than the others.
Plenty of tech tree options are viable this season, for example Jutland is probably one of the best front line DDs, its got great guns, good torps, and the short smokes are amazing for generating a lot of pressure on enemy DDs that have used their smoke the first engagement. Kitakaze is just damage, great concealment, great torps just drives like a truck.
Play any of the DDs to its strength and you will win games. The only weak option I believe is Chung Mu, that is due to the DD heavy meta, plus gun nerf WG recently did. Having a lack of smoke like Black does when radar is mounted places you at a clear disadvantage. So does less gun DPM that a Fletcher class. If the meta had more BBs and CAs Chung Mu would probably be fine.
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Kuro, I think you are the best DD contributor. I look forward to your vids. A while back you mentioned looking at a build for Jutland/Daring using Jack Dunkirk to take advantage of the 10% shorter consumable reload. Did you pursue that further? Thanks.
Its on the back burner as ranked and CB took me away from T10. I think I have the captain around 14 points or so. I wont try it until I have a 19 point captain to make sure its a fair test.
Its not helped by me shifting my FXP stream from leveling captains to funding for Friesland when it is released.
I'll get it done, just going to take longer than I anticipated.
that blindfiring trick would not really work on something not soviet, the flat trajectory is what makes you dangerous when firing into smoke.
Also doesn't work very well against ships not totally broadside to you, barely moving, for long periods, while firing....
I am telling you you are wrong. I can do that with any of the DD line. I see where the ship is when they shoot and hit that. Its just a matter of leading them correctly.
@@destroyerkuroshiokai then you are a master of pixels, because the vertical aim can go off very easily in case of a high arc. (we are still talking about blindfiring into smoke.)
It works just fine with ijn gunboats
My question, why is Neustra 6k steel more than Black? And is it worth the extra? That's a huge difference in price for the same tier ship.
Because Black never was a real steel DD, it was priced so players ranking out 5 times could buy her, she is still a ranked reward ship and is priced as such. I expect all new T9 steel DDs to be priced around what Neustrashimy is.
this is why i love neustrashimi in ranked, you can tank so much dmg that you can outrade uss blacks without problems (1 vs 1)
Had a game where I tanked a Tashkent by a decent player eventually killing him, tanked 48.3k damage, a new record and only a couple thousand HP from the theoretical max HP pool of the build. I like the ship because it wins games so differently than other DDs.
@@destroyerkuroshiokai That Tashkent was probably me. =x Had some gud games with you yesterday. Max dmg Neus can take, I believe is 50,100. IF dmg saturation allows you to use up every second of that heal.
@@Aeros802 Might have been, it was note worthy to me as it was the first fight against a Tashkent. You are correct on the Neustra HP pool.
@@destroyerkuroshiokai Normally, Taskent vs Neustr is an even matchup. Tash has more guns and larger up pool, but neu has the super heal. I recall in our engagement getting hit with fires almost every salvo. Had I not traded SI for ifhe, things might have been different. To make up for this I use ovechkin SE. I think many people still don't realize that SE actually enhances how much dmg per sec is healed by the heal party and more so with ovechkin.
@@aiseraiser8014 Glad you stopped by. How are you doing with IFHE on Tashkent? I was tempted to try it, but with all the DDs I focused more on HP pool and gun DPM with DE to help out on the larger ships.
What mod does the vertical ribbons?
Probably my ship display mod, but I'm not sure. I never noticed it was different before until you said something. The videos here showing what I run.
th-cam.com/video/XDpt6tW8-dg/w-d-xo.html
What mod shows your repair numbers
Covers all my mods: th-cam.com/video/XDpt6tW8-dg/w-d-xo.html
Going back and forth in smoke while broadside to the dd charging you in that smoke is kind of a bad move right? When you smoke, get the torps out if yer gonna, then nose in or out. Makes it easier to dodge enemy torps, but also makes it a lot harder to blind fire you. The black did it wrong, there, and it cost him and his team.
Broadside in smoke in a 1v1 dd match is not smart, especially against such flat gun arcs. Practically suicide.
Yeah, I've rewatched this like three times, he flat out did it wrong. Any black players should know not to make it easier to be blind fired. Hell, any dd player should know that. Being broadside in smoke multiple times in a ranked match, against a neutra while he had radar up seeing you charging towards him and continuing to fire... Yeah, he shoulda retreated, torping along the way, while NOT giving any broadside to you unless at full clip. He was playing it like HE was the one with the heal, and you were the one with radar.
Happens to the best of us, but should def be pointed out if you're suggesting this in any way represents 'really good' play. The key of the encounter, indeed the entire team's match, was him NOT playing too aggresive once he saw he had a neutra and a cruiser backing it up, he should have played the stalling game, giving ground while lacing out those sea mines black calls torpedos, and taking advantage of his rpf.
He smoked up, with his limited time of radar active didnt really have much time to move around. Its a limitation of Black, and part of the reason why I think its the most over rated DD. Trajectory didnt matter, you see the firing point, calculate lead and fire. If he angled I would see that too. Even if he were behind the smoke I can hit it due to the way shells render in smoke. Ive done this with every DD line repeatedly.
@@destroyerkuroshiokai Nah, man, you watch that first encounter, again, and watch closely. He was perfect range for smoke radar, but he didn't. Instead just turned broadside to you, even thou he had rpf to tell him where you are. Turning broadside while in smoke is no different in a fuckin' black than any other dd. had NOTHING to do with the dd the guy was in, it had to do with how he played it. Broadside in the smoke TWICE IN A ROW, bad play. He should have smoke +radar combo'd you the first encounter (without going broadside) turning outward from you on other side of smoke and disengage. Second encounter would have likely happened in the same place as well, and I'd have done the same. Smoke radar combo, turning out towards the cap when radar finished, never being broadside to you. He then would have had life left to do the same thing AT the cap, buying his team ALL that time of 2 of you guys fucking with 1 of him.
I get this guy is a friend or something, or you have a personal hatred for the black, one, the other, or both, but saying that guy didn't play it wrong is rediculous. He played it wrong every chance he got in this particular match. It happens. To EVERYONE.....
@@destroyerkuroshiokai If you think flat trajectory arcs don't make blind firing into smoke EASIER, I really have no idea what to say to you. Go talk to the people YOU feel are knowledgeable about such things, you are in for a shock.... But yes, not having floaty ass, long time to target shells most DEFINATELY helps in that situation, as they will have less time to move from when you pull the trigger to the time when the shells get there.
You understand that, right?
@@destroyerkuroshiokai Behind the smoke isn't as important as NOT GOING BROADSIDE WHILE NOT MOVING.... c'mon man, who is this guy, yer fuckin' daddy? He played it wrong. You played it right. You won. Instead of claiming it's a destroyer weakness, point out the flaw in the piloting first. When you get one where the other guy actually plays half way decent, then start blaming the boat.
Didn't matter WHAT dd that guy was in, he was gonna get hit in the smoke playing that way. Period. Because you aren't a moron, you can hit a broadside target in smoke that barely moves from 5km away, like most people in competitive should be able to. He, as a 'really really good black player' should fuckin' KNOW this.
All I'm saying is, black may be overrated. But no matter WHAT dd he was in, playing the way he played that was gonna get him killed either way.
Were those torps in real time? Lol
When? The last set?
@@destroyerkuroshiokai maybe, they seemed so slow coming from the Black.
Is there a vid where you discuss ranked/cb specific builds for captains? Thanks
@@gabrielantona Yeah I was still in slow mo from discussing the final engagement. I was sick as a dog and was late hitting the resume button for normal speed.
Unlike others I dont like leaving out of date build info around. It costs people IRL money to change stuff, and I dont want someone upset they watched a video from a year ago and something changed in the meta making that build less optimal.
Here is my Neustra build: wowsft.com/ship?index=PRSD709&modules=11111&upgrades=143222&commander=PAW405&skills=2154987522&consumables=22222&lang=en
My Black build: wowsft.com/ship?index=PASD709&modules=11111&upgrades=163223&commander=PCW001&skills=3222439938&consumables=111&lang=en
Just post in any video if you want opinions on a build. In the future I will have a Discord channel set up where you guys can ask that, and there will be builds posted in one place where I can keep them updated.
@@destroyerkuroshiokai thanks, trying to get better at DDs, it's hard
Why use defensive AA in this game?
Thats the only choice.
Its the only choice and its premium cause I'm a rich bitch that burns credits.