Mr.flys2, I really enjoyed your video here, and it made me really appreciate what a true person in the know, like yourself can figure out. Thank you for sharing this great piece of detective work.
Very interesting. I have a late 1970s Bach Strad 43 that's been sitting in its case for a few decades. I'd like to get it cleaned and made playable again. What should I ask a repair shop to check? Thanks.
I don't think anyone actually thinks they are real Bachs. And as far as trade laws, the Chinese government couldn't care less what Conn- Selmer or Bach thinks. Since they are sold from outside the country our copyright laws don't mean shit.
...spot on about customer expectations. Re: China and IP, it is a bit like the US picking and choosing which trade laws apply to it (e.g. WTO). Might is right. Right? 😬
I wonder if these are from the JinBao factory, they’re pretty known for making clones of miraphone tubas and other brands as well. But I kinda doubt it since those horns are either branded by Mack Brass, Shiller Wessex, Johnpacker etc. or have no branding at all. While these trumpets are really trying hard to be a fake Bach. So idk. Either way pretty horrible they’re doing this. There’s nothing wrong making a cheap trumpet but blatantly lying is pretty bad.
Really interesting. The fake just doesn't hold up under any kind of scrutiny. I've got an affordable Chinese-made cornet (John Packer) and it is good, but it's not trying to be something it isn't which is the real takeaway here.
Yeah. Packer instruments are ok as are Wessex, but like you said, not trying to be a copy of a more renown line. Parts supply is the biggest issue on some of these.
Heard good things about Wessex. A couple of my band colleagues play those and have said they are decent. The only things I didn't really like with the Packer are the stock mouthpiece and case.
Yeah, of the tubas and trombones I have seen, I like them and they play well. St. Petersburg tubas play really well, but the sludes are really bad. Poor fit and finish. Good price and playability.
everything about my bach strad looks real but the serial # goes along the 2nd valve instead of across the valve the # is 471041 if anyone can find it my dad bought it like 20 years ago so idk
@@jimflys2 Newer Strads do have the serial numbers up and down but they are stamped and not engraved like the knock off. ML is on the bottom of the 2nd valve, opposite side of the serial number on newer Strads also. The real one you have there is likely made in the '70s, so tiny little things have changed since then!
LOL, I'd expect fake knock-offs overseas, but I find it amusing that they're selling them here. Stick with reputable sellers, people. BTW, Usa is in Japan. You look to be around my age, and in the seventies, Japan was like what China is today. People would see things that were made in Japan and put them back down because it wasn't made in America. Suddenly, everything was labeled USA instead of U.S.A. So much for truth in advertising! 🤣
Os intrumentos bach e yamaha intermediário e iniciantes já estão sendo fabricados na China, nos EUA apenas os profissionais, será que daqui uns anos as pessoas irão desvalorizar esses inteumentos intermediários dessas marcas por isso ?.
@@eu555 This instrument is a fake. The manufacturer and seller of these instruments has no integrity selling an instrument with someone else's name on the bell with the wrong country of origin, violating their patents and international trade agreements. This is shameful. Yes there are honest Chinese companies making horns for many companies now and many are doing a reasonably good job. The companies that they are contracted to work for put quality controls in place to make sure they produce a good product. That being said, I'd still choose an American made horn over what they produce. Even if it means buying a used instrument and having it completely restored. They cost much more, but I still feel the materials and craftsmanship is better here.
Mr.flys2, I really enjoyed your video here, and it made me really appreciate what a true person in the know, like yourself can figure out. Thank you for sharing this great piece of detective work.
Well thanks, Greg. Yeah, this is one of those that you don't see every day, but when you do, grab the camera and micrometer and computer. LOL
Very interesting. I have a late 1970s Bach Strad 43 that's been sitting in its case for a few decades. I'd like to get it cleaned and made playable again. What should I ask a repair shop to check? Thanks.
Probably a chem flush and detailed cleaning etc.
Check the valve and slide compression.
I don't think anyone actually thinks they are real Bachs. And as far as trade laws, the Chinese government couldn't care less what Conn- Selmer or Bach thinks. Since they are sold from outside the country our copyright laws don't mean shit.
Indeed.
os insteumentos bach iniciantes que são fabricados na China , sendo originais você acha que tem a mesma qualidade de um fabricado nos EUA?.
@@eu555no.
@@jimflys2 obrigado.
...spot on about customer expectations. Re: China and IP, it is a bit like the US picking and choosing which trade laws apply to it (e.g. WTO). Might is right. Right? 😬
I would love to get a handle for the case like that since my Bach handles are all broken.
I have real ones. Jhuwe@ ward-brodt.com
Another interesting lesson Jim! The amount of cheap knock off instruments is staggering and the audacity to say made in the USA! Crazy!
Amen!
Loved this video my friend!
Well, my pleasure. A real dream horn there! LOL!
I wonder if these are from the JinBao factory, they’re pretty known for making clones of miraphone tubas and other brands as well. But I kinda doubt it since those horns are either branded by Mack Brass, Shiller Wessex, Johnpacker etc. or have no branding at all. While these trumpets are really trying hard to be a fake Bach. So idk. Either way pretty horrible they’re doing this. There’s nothing wrong making a cheap trumpet but blatantly lying is pretty bad.
Exactly right.
@@jimflys2 você acha que os bach originais iniciantes fabricados na China tem a mesma qualidade que os fabricados nos EUA? .
Enjoy your part-time work in Metallica.
Really interesting. The fake just doesn't hold up under any kind of scrutiny.
I've got an affordable Chinese-made cornet (John Packer) and it is good, but it's not trying to be something it isn't which is the real takeaway here.
Yeah. Packer instruments are ok as are Wessex, but like you said, not trying to be a copy of a more renown line. Parts supply is the biggest issue on some of these.
Heard good things about Wessex. A couple of my band colleagues play those and have said they are decent. The only things I didn't really like with the Packer are the stock mouthpiece and case.
Yeah, of the tubas and trombones I have seen, I like them and they play well. St. Petersburg tubas play really well, but the sludes are really bad. Poor fit and finish. Good price and playability.
everything about my bach strad looks real but the serial # goes along the 2nd valve instead of across the valve the # is 471041 if anyone can find it my dad bought it like 20 years ago so idk
I would need a picture
@@jimflys2 Newer Strads do have the serial numbers up and down but they are stamped and not engraved like the knock off. ML is on the bottom of the 2nd valve, opposite side of the serial number on newer Strads also. The real one you have there is likely made in the '70s, so tiny little things have changed since then!
LOL, I'd expect fake knock-offs overseas, but I find it amusing that they're selling them here. Stick with reputable sellers, people. BTW, Usa is in Japan. You look to be around my age, and in the seventies, Japan was like what China is today. People would see things that were made in Japan and put them back down because it wasn't made in America. Suddenly, everything was labeled USA instead of U.S.A. So much for truth in advertising! 🤣
I do remember that! I thought it was a joke. But not so much.
Os intrumentos bach e yamaha intermediário e iniciantes já estão sendo fabricados na China, nos EUA apenas os profissionais, será que daqui uns anos as pessoas irão desvalorizar esses inteumentos intermediários dessas marcas por isso ?.
@@eu555 This instrument is a fake. The manufacturer and seller of these instruments has no integrity selling an instrument with someone else's name on the bell with the wrong country of origin, violating their patents and international trade agreements. This is shameful. Yes there are honest Chinese companies making horns for many companies now and many are doing a reasonably good job. The companies that they are contracted to work for put quality controls in place to make sure they produce a good product. That being said, I'd still choose an American made horn over what they produce. Even if it means buying a used instrument and having it completely restored. They cost much more, but I still feel the materials and craftsmanship is better here.