Gaijin really needs to rework the damage models on bombers. 1G Turn? Lose a wing. 20mm round? Detonate entire fuselage. Machine gun rounds from a deflecting angle? Fuel fire and two engines dead. Recovered from a fire? Well that is great, lose your entire rudder.
the Bomber damage models have been borked for a decade. ever since the Yer-2 nonsense started. rather than actually change a single plane (and a soviet one at that), the devs just did their usual "balance via sledgehammer" routine. And before somebody says anything: there's a reason the B-17 is legendary for it's resilience, and the B-24 isn't. Nevermind that I'm still not convinced this game models MG/autocannon spread of fire accurately.
Ah. The B-17 Flying Fortress. Famous for being able to absorb huge amounts of damage and still make it home. Meanwhile in War Thunder, it takes a single 20mm round to bring it down... or a sustained left turn.
Tbh that's pretty accurate The difference between Warthunder and IRL is the experience level of the opposition. In game, even the lowliest scrub has many, many, many times more flying hours than your average pilot - and almost all of it engaged in direct combat. They have accuracy skills that a WW2 pilot could only dream of. Plus the controls are just a lot easier ingame, which again makes it just so much easier to engage and bomber and land 5 20mm rounds right in a single spot. Whereas IRL they'd kinda be spread willy nilly across the sky.
@@kirotheavenger60 but a tail being cut loose from a couple shots? also the wing get holes and lose effectiveness, but it wouldnt outright make the plane unflyable right?
@@kirotheavenger60 controls are oversimplified, accuracy is somewhat better than you'd expect out of aircraft-mounted guns...oh, and the big thing: the game pathologically spawns bombers so they get to the AO before their fighters. IE something that would never be allowed to happen IRL. And even fully trained gunners somehow don't deter a fighter from boring in. I'm here to tell you: even a couple B-17s such as in this video should be absolutely a no-go zone for enemy fighters. there's a reason the bomber box was used.
@@kirotheavenger60 It's not accurate, in real life you'd actually have to control the plane with a variety of flight controls while keeping it stable enough to get enough ammo on target to down it, meanwhile Warthunder has you just put your cursor over the target and shoot. There's a massive difference in the level of skill that it takes to even go from WT to a combat flight sim. I'd bet someone who has only played Warthunder wouldn't last long when given a flight stick and made to fly anything on an IL-2 game in a combat scenario.
Bo, my late father would have loved seeing your B-17G in this video. My dad was a flight engineer/top turret gunner in the same unit as Man O War II. Dad was in the 322nd, 91st BG in 1944/45 and flew missions alongside Man O War. Dad normally was assigned to The Bride of Mars and Wee Willie, both of which were shot down after Dad completed his tour of duty. Though Dad probably would have face palmed at TBLF’s idea of formation flying, I am sure he would have been thrilled to see you keeping the memory of his WW2 unit alive. Thanks for all the great videos!
Gaijan turning a legendarily tough aircraft into ...this... keeps me from playing the game. The enemy sneezes somewhere vaguely in it's direction and the B-17 explodes into many large pieces.
I don't get it either. B17 is arguably the best bomber of WW2 hands down across the board in EVERY single conceivable way. War thunder version: copilot spits into a cup, b17 snaps in half from the "impact". It's soo intensely far off from what it was actually capable of that you KNOW it was done intentionally because someone hated that the Americans dominated WW2 and just couldn't allow it to be so in game.
Tell me Gaijan is on crack without telling me Gaijan is on crack with these aircraft and the BR rating. You would have thought the Germans built 10,000 TA-152s
I really wish they'd go and fix the bomber flight models. Tails have been snapping like twigs for far too long. I also wish they'd make missions, or more events, for bombers, to give them a better purpose in the game. Kinda like the P51 escort mission that they bring back every now and then, but more so emphasized on the bomber perspective than the fighters. I know the reason they probably don't do it is inability to get ai fighters working well enough, and they don't like focusing on PvE, which is what it would need... but bombing missions for each country and tier would be pretty cool. It's just a little disheartening to see the potential for missions like that in the game, but knowing it'll probably never happen. Like bomber interior models lol *cries* (yes i know there are other games that do have a better bombing experience. War Thunder just has some of the best looking flight models and flight controls that i have ever experienced (imo), and those QOL updates for bombers i don't think would be that difficult if they actually set to it, and i think would be far more liked and used than other things they are doing, like naval)
Actually the moment u loose at least 2/3 of the rudder on any plane, the game says "fuck physics" and u are dead,(and go into a flat-spin no matter what) despite the plane otherwise still would be able to fly! And I do believe that all bomber tails are "factory defective" in this game! I mean bombers are way too easy kills than their real life counterparts.
Yeah I remember when the game first came out and bombers were harder to kill and then everyone else started bitching about it and now we got the Boeing update where literally one 7.62 round will take your whole plane apart no matter what you’re flying
@@russbennett5470 I know; I play WT since it was CBT (in my 1st acc i even found the achievement for it, when i logged on to it, just to see if it still works, 5 months ago).
@@TheRealTburtyou also have "ye old pub" which got shot up to hell and another b17 that had a bf 109 (correct me if im wrong) crash into it and left the entire tail section barely holding on and both of them made it back to base
@@ghOStDiVision790 that was the "All American" that got hit by the 109. There were also two that collided midair and got locked together ("Nine Lives" was one of them), the two planes stayed together until they hit the ground where the bottom plane disintigrated. Then there's also "Old 666", which ended up looking like one of those "survivorship bias" diagrams and still landed safely; and also pulled extreme menuvours for a B17.
Jesus they nerfed this thing into the god damn ground. US bombers were damn near impossible to kill. German Anti Air crews reported that they didn’t shoot at them because it’s a waste of ammo. There’s bombers that have literally been struck by multiple direct 8,8 shots and made it home.
I know. A game that focuses on realism but then backs off because players complain. World of Warships is the same. The battleship players were getting butthurt because Japanese destroyers were devastating them with torpedoes like what happened irl.
I would suggest a drinking game where you take a shot every time Bo loses his tail, but I'm pretty sure you would die from alcohol poisoning if you try that.
Ham, buddy, I know you can do amazing things as a pilot but when it comes to you in a bomber the safety disance isn't measured in feet anymore...it's in states!
One time in a match, i was in a B-17, got attacked by no less than 7 planes all but 1 engine destroyed holes bigger than trees everywhere, dark red or black along the entire plane and most of the crew dead. Worst of all, i only had 3 kills that game as the B-17 But i survived Praise the Snail and the American Dream
What the hell am I watching? You guys are hilarious. Just kinda stumbled on this. I could listen to this as a podcast. You guys are funny as hell . It’s like “Monty pythons- bomber squadron alfa “ or something probably funnier cuz I’m not a comedian.
You take 2 cannon rounds and the B17s tail just rips off. I mean come on, as much as the B17 had fawls it was very survivable. But dont worry, there is no bias in WarThunder
Bo, Bo, Bo. The B-17 is a BOMBER, not a fighter. You can do extreme manoeuvres with it. But you do have my sympathy; the rest of TBLF can't seem to fly in a straight line without shenanigans.
I remember when the B17 could tank a few shots before a wing or the tail was ripped off, now it just falls apart like its being held together with hopes and dreams
I have waited for this video for years, thank you for bringing the bomber formations back. I was wondering if someone could tell me what the B-17 skin is that Bo has been using, is it a live.warthunder or just a special limited time one?
god watching these things just get melted like wet paper is so disappointing, these should be so much more durable. its one thing to maybe not make it back to base after a round cause of getting fightered, but being a 10 second detour where you just get disintegrated before even getting a bomb off every single game is just unbalanced
Back when I used to play War Thunder (before they added Britain) I leveled up the American bomber tree because I loved the B-17 from a historical PoV... After about six wing rips from gentle turns I decided I do not like the B-17 anymore and will stick to the B-25 from then on.
bomber flight models are such a joke these days. if someone so much as looks at you you die. you're ai gunners are effectively asleep, so you need to fly and man the turrets at the same time.
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What aircraft would you like to see featured on the channel in the future?
Bv238
SAAB 105-G
B-29 or the skyshark
A-10 early II
ME262,B-25
Ah, yes, "Extreme Overload 1G." Truly the B-17 Experience.
I fucking know right I ripped at 3g's.
@@jedinight235 Thats the normal tho
I know right 😂
@@JatzkiB-17 frames were supposed to be rated for 5G. But we're built for 3.5. But could only withstand 2G
@@titansparta3920 I was talking about wt, but still a fun fact
Gaijin really needs to rework the damage models on bombers. 1G Turn? Lose a wing. 20mm round? Detonate entire fuselage. Machine gun rounds from a deflecting angle? Fuel fire and two engines dead. Recovered from a fire? Well that is great, lose your entire rudder.
the Bomber damage models have been borked for a decade. ever since the Yer-2 nonsense started. rather than actually change a single plane (and a soviet one at that), the devs just did their usual "balance via sledgehammer" routine.
And before somebody says anything: there's a reason the B-17 is legendary for it's resilience, and the B-24 isn't. Nevermind that I'm still not convinced this game models MG/autocannon spread of fire accurately.
Gaijin needs to do alot of work in their game bombers have been screwed since day 1.
@@sawyerawr5783 funny how the B-24 and B-25 in WT can take hefty damage with no problem but these B-17's take ome or two hits and BAM... Dead.
Ah. The B-17 Flying Fortress. Famous for being able to absorb huge amounts of damage and still make it home. Meanwhile in War Thunder, it takes a single 20mm round to bring it down... or a sustained left turn.
Meanwhile the Pe-8 has a ufo flight model. Don’t get me started on the 264’s maneuverability
@@christopherchartier3017 what about the i15,16 and i185
@@christopherchartier3017or death star turbo laser mg 151s
@@brendenburke272 They actually seem ok lol
@@hammer1349 I feel like the MG151 does well against fighters but their effectiveness should certainly be lowered against bombers a bit
Ah the "loses entire wing from 5 20mm shots" bomber
Tbh that's pretty accurate
The difference between Warthunder and IRL is the experience level of the opposition. In game, even the lowliest scrub has many, many, many times more flying hours than your average pilot - and almost all of it engaged in direct combat. They have accuracy skills that a WW2 pilot could only dream of.
Plus the controls are just a lot easier ingame, which again makes it just so much easier to engage and bomber and land 5 20mm rounds right in a single spot. Whereas IRL they'd kinda be spread willy nilly across the sky.
@kirotheavenger60 the other unrealistic part is that no fighter pilot would sit behind a bomber eating mg rounds trying to shoot their tail/wing off
@@kirotheavenger60 but a tail being cut loose from a couple shots? also the wing get holes and lose effectiveness, but it wouldnt outright make the plane unflyable right?
@@kirotheavenger60 controls are oversimplified, accuracy is somewhat better than you'd expect out of aircraft-mounted guns...oh, and the big thing: the game pathologically spawns bombers so they get to the AO before their fighters. IE something that would never be allowed to happen IRL.
And even fully trained gunners somehow don't deter a fighter from boring in. I'm here to tell you: even a couple B-17s such as in this video should be absolutely a no-go zone for enemy fighters. there's a reason the bomber box was used.
@@kirotheavenger60 It's not accurate, in real life you'd actually have to control the plane with a variety of flight controls while keeping it stable enough to get enough ammo on target to down it, meanwhile Warthunder has you just put your cursor over the target and shoot.
There's a massive difference in the level of skill that it takes to even go from WT to a combat flight sim. I'd bet someone who has only played Warthunder wouldn't last long when given a flight stick and made to fly anything on an IL-2 game in a combat scenario.
B-17s are fun to fly, until you get looked at anyways! And remember, you won't get out, not when it dives at 300 knots.
The electrics keep you alive, the wires, the cables, up there at those 30,000 feet.
playing bomber seems like a lot of fun. I really like flying in a straigt line for minutes untill I finally get shot down without doing anything.
U mean a fighter when ur shit like me
Me: Mom I want to watch masters of the air
Mom: We have masters of the air at home.
Masters of the air at home:
Flight graphics here far superior to MotA though.
Bo, my late father would have loved seeing your B-17G in this video. My dad was a flight engineer/top turret gunner in the same unit as Man O War II. Dad was in the 322nd, 91st BG in 1944/45 and flew missions alongside Man O War. Dad normally was assigned to The Bride of Mars and Wee Willie, both of which were shot down after Dad completed his tour of duty. Though Dad probably would have face palmed at TBLF’s idea of formation flying, I am sure he would have been thrilled to see you keeping the memory of his WW2 unit alive. Thanks for all the great videos!
"lookout, lookout, LOOKOUT!!!" While doing nothing to avoid the inevitable.
What's he supposed to do, *pull 1 G* ???
Always love watching TBLF fly their planes to the *extreme* and by that, I mean a minor turn in any direction that exceeds a G.
Ah yes, WT. Where every match is Black Thursday for bomber pilots.
Keep up the entertainment, Bo & Co!
Gaijan turning a legendarily tough aircraft into ...this... keeps me from playing the game. The enemy sneezes somewhere vaguely in it's direction and the B-17 explodes into many large pieces.
Last time you flew the B-17 was how I first came across the channel, now you're the only WT related channel I still follow, keep it up.
I find it strange the B-17 constantly snaps it wings but the Lanc and PE-8 can stunt plane flying.
I saw it was a b-17 video and I was thinking "Oh this is going to be GOOD"
they need to buff the heck out of the b17 its almost impossible to play without dying, one 20mm shouldnt rip the entire aircraft in half long ways
Hate how weak bombers are in war thunder
I don't get it either. B17 is arguably the best bomber of WW2 hands down across the board in EVERY single conceivable way. War thunder version: copilot spits into a cup, b17 snaps in half from the "impact". It's soo intensely far off from what it was actually capable of that you KNOW it was done intentionally because someone hated that the Americans dominated WW2 and just couldn't allow it to be so in game.
@@Konghammer1lmao so true
@@Konghammer1they don't care about player experience very much if you haven't already noticed
Tell me Gaijan is on crack without telling me Gaijan is on crack with these aircraft and the BR rating. You would have thought the Germans built 10,000 TA-152s
I really wish they'd go and fix the bomber flight models. Tails have been snapping like twigs for far too long.
I also wish they'd make missions, or more events, for bombers, to give them a better purpose in the game.
Kinda like the P51 escort mission that they bring back every now and then, but more so emphasized on the bomber perspective than the fighters.
I know the reason they probably don't do it is inability to get ai fighters working well enough, and they don't like focusing on PvE, which is what it would need... but bombing missions for each country and tier would be pretty cool.
It's just a little disheartening to see the potential for missions like that in the game, but knowing it'll probably never happen.
Like bomber interior models lol *cries*
(yes i know there are other games that do have a better bombing experience. War Thunder just has some of the best looking flight models and flight controls that i have ever experienced (imo), and those QOL updates for bombers i don't think would be that difficult if they actually set to it, and i think would be far more liked and used than other things they are doing, like naval)
Is this the one where Stickboi dies... again and again?
Isn’t that all of them?
I find it funny how the most threatening enemy to a B-17 is a high g (1) maneuver
Actually the moment u loose at least 2/3 of the rudder on any plane, the game says "fuck physics" and u are dead,(and go into a flat-spin no matter what) despite the plane otherwise still would be able to fly!
And I do believe that all bomber tails are "factory defective" in this game! I mean bombers are way too easy kills than their real life counterparts.
Yeah I remember when the game first came out and bombers were harder to kill and then everyone else started bitching about it and now we got the Boeing update where literally one 7.62 round will take your whole plane apart no matter what you’re flying
@@russbennett5470 I know; I play WT since it was CBT (in my 1st acc i even found the achievement for it, when i logged on to it, just to see if it still works, 5 months ago).
I know. You hear stories of planes like Ol' 666 and you know that Gaijin does this for "balance."
@@TheRealTburtyou also have "ye old pub" which got shot up to hell and another b17 that had a bf 109 (correct me if im wrong) crash into it and left the entire tail section barely holding on and both of them made it back to base
@@ghOStDiVision790 that was the "All American" that got hit by the 109.
There were also two that collided midair and got locked together ("Nine Lives" was one of them), the two planes stayed together until they hit the ground where the bottom plane disintigrated.
Then there's also "Old 666", which ended up looking like one of those "survivorship bias" diagrams and still landed safely; and also pulled extreme menuvours for a B17.
Gaijin really needs to fix the b-17
Jesus they nerfed this thing into the god damn ground. US bombers were damn near impossible to kill. German Anti Air crews reported that they didn’t shoot at them because it’s a waste of ammo. There’s bombers that have literally been struck by multiple direct 8,8 shots and made it home.
I know. A game that focuses on realism but then backs off because players complain. World of Warships is the same. The battleship players were getting butthurt because Japanese destroyers were devastating them with torpedoes like what happened irl.
I love how totally realistic these in game damage models are.
3:46 Bo: Chris?
Chris: Bo?
(high five)
I would suggest a drinking game where you take a shot every time Bo loses his tail, but I'm pretty sure you would die from alcohol poisoning if you try that.
b-17 thinks about turning, plane folds in half
The flying fortress, made of only the strongest cardboard
I flew my B-17 out after finishing Masters of the Air, it’d been a while. Never again lol.
Always wonderful to see Chris and Chris! Your prop videos are my favorite!
that tail is as strong as my will to live
Disasters of the Air
been up for 18 seconds. usually i see stuff about one hour after you upload. best day ever.
I came 2 minutes too late lol
3:20 Everything was going along pretty well until it wasn't. 😂
Man, it’s been a while since we’ve seen a B-17 on here. It’s nice. Time for the B-29 again then lol!
0:20 that is the most epic thing I seen all day😎🔥✈️
Thank you for your sacrifice in playing bombers for this video
3:38. I can not tell you the fury i felt when his tail just popped off like that.
Omg I haven’t watched a war thunder video in months u less it’s bo and bombers thank you so much
YES, Bismarck is back !!
So amazing how to choose to play the B-17, it's one of my favorite plane and i am still trying to grid the 5.0 B-17
The "A bit of Grace" skin looks really nice!
If I ever use the b17 again, will have to look into getting that.
More bomber shinanigans 😉😉 got to love it
Ham, buddy, I know you can do amazing things as a pilot but when it comes to you in a bomber the safety disance isn't measured in feet anymore...it's in states!
Lovley to see Chris, Ham, and Bis again
One time in a match, i was in a B-17, got attacked by no less than 7 planes
all but 1 engine destroyed holes bigger than trees everywhere, dark red or black along the entire plane and most of the crew dead. Worst of all, i only had 3 kills that game as the B-17
But i survived
Praise the Snail and the American Dream
What the hell am I watching? You guys are hilarious. Just kinda stumbled on this. I could listen to this as a podcast. You guys are funny as hell . It’s like “Monty pythons- bomber squadron alfa “ or something probably funnier cuz I’m not a comedian.
Watch their rainbow six siege videos. Basically imagine them trying to do swat stuff. Its comedy gold 😂
Oh my goodness!!! A b-17 video!!!! LETS GOOOO. THANKS BO
0:29 hey thats me in the I-225 :D
And thats why i have playing bombers like you fly for minutes on end just to die and do it all over again.Peak bomber gameplay
Literally the best cinematic gameplay ever
Yes!!! Old Skool Bomber Video... True classic TBLF territory 😂😂
You take 2 cannon rounds and the B17s tail just rips off. I mean come on, as much as the B17 had fawls it was very survivable.
But dont worry, there is no bias in WarThunder
Intense nostalgia as I recall my introduction to TH-cam and this crowd arguing in DCS. 😊
The 2005 Dukes of Hazzard reference at 11:32, I instantly knew what scene you are referring to and I'd hate to have been Luke and that safe. 😂
FINALLY A NEW B-17 VID I WAITED 3 YEARS THANK U THANK U THANK U THANK U!
Just finished watching Masters of the air on Apple TV, then I thought I’d be nice to see a B-17 video. The universe works in mysterious ways
"I'm familiar with his work" Classic Bo stoicism, brilliant but DOOMED.
This is a cinematic masterpiece😎
Thank you guy for the birthday present this is awesome!
Bo, Bo, Bo. The B-17 is a BOMBER, not a fighter. You can do extreme manoeuvres with it. But you do have my sympathy; the rest of TBLF can't seem to fly in a straight line without shenanigans.
I remember when the B17 could tank a few shots before a wing or the tail was ripped off, now it just falls apart like its being held together with hopes and dreams
You guys gunning down other heavy bombers brings me back to watching "Very Honorberu" series from The Mighty Jingles & Phlydaily
I feel called out by that bank account joke xD
I know not how anything doing with that works, i just hope the green goes the correct direction lol
Yes!!! Videos like your old B-24 and old B-17 videos!!!
I love this plane!! 😊 Thank you for a fantastic video!!
💜
This is like the b29 experiment video you did a few years back. One minute everythings fine next minute the planes on fire the tails fallen off.
I love your videos and it makes me laugh alot. Keep it up🤣🤣
Even in death, my powers continue
Man I wish bombers were a bigger part of the game in their own mode some how.
2:53
Me 20 Kilometers away in the enemy team:
👁🔭
EYYYYYY HAM IS BACK!!!! havent seen him in a long while
It’s been a while since bo played one of the big boy planes
This is probably the first video where Bismarck's rage didn't turn him into Skidmarck.. His Anger management must be working.
I have waited for this video for years, thank you for bringing the bomber formations back. I was wondering if someone could tell me what the B-17 skin is that Bo has been using, is it a live.warthunder or just a special limited time one?
Honestly a lot of times your banter is...not my thing, but this whole video is hilarious.
thanks for playing the b-17, its my favourite plane
They make bomber flying so entertaining
Good luck with your next video bo your videos are amazing and I love them
Can't wait to see you next one😄
god watching these things just get melted like wet paper is so disappointing, these should be so much more durable. its one thing to maybe not make it back to base after a round cause of getting fightered, but being a 10 second detour where you just get disintegrated before even getting a bomb off every single game is just unbalanced
You've got a hole in.... well everything
Judging by the number of new spawns and fresh formations, this must have taken you guys over 4 hours to record.
2:20 - *The Tactical Clump* 😹
Are those volcanoes at 6:59? When did those get added?
I can't wait to see what happens if you guys are able to play the B-52. No idea if it's in the game since I don't play Warthunder.
The last time he did a B-17 Video he turned it into a fighter. Freedom Doesn't Knock It Rings
Back when I used to play War Thunder (before they added Britain) I leveled up the American bomber tree because I loved the B-17 from a historical PoV... After about six wing rips from gentle turns I decided I do not like the B-17 anymore and will stick to the B-25 from then on.
This is the crew I wish I had.
THE B17 IS BACKKK!!!!!
bomber flight models are such a joke these days. if someone so much as looks at you you die. you're ai gunners are effectively asleep, so you need to fly and man the turrets at the same time.
I wish there was a bomber pve mode half the reward but its more laid back gameplay where you can focus on bombing targets
Bo did you make this because you saw the masters of the air series?
Very good series
What’s the point of
Being a
Fortress if you die from 3-4 hits????
Love how it was the same 335 that killed Bo on separate occasions
How do you get that livery?the dark green and red one
I don't know how, but somehow this seems worst than the PB4Y video, and I thought that video was the epitome of the 4-engined bomber experience.
Freedom doesn't knock.. IT RINGS!!
Great video bo and co!