Demon Form & Energy Shield Are SO Good I've Been Mapping With Negative Res - Essence Drain Version
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Hugely fun so far and it's nice that such strong sustain on demonform isn't that inaccessible. Not gonna be fun for everyone this type of playstyle where you gotta care of life, regen, stacks etc. but so far it's been fairly worthwhile from my pov.
OH SHIT forgot to mention that while lvling we try to avoid the canlde bro at the end of Act1 for the quests that give you extra life. So... yea don't do that.
they need to have some way of turning on or off these buffs. One mission literally gives you lightning res, RIP doryanis....
@@matthewdeklerk3457 do those not give you an item that you have to use for the buff? just leave the item on the floor after the boss.
whats the quest called? why avoid it?
@@twinmonkeycows9267nope, you just get the lightning res automatically after activating the statue
@@SpaceMarine113 candlemass boss. he literally said why to avoid it, it gives extra HP, this build minimizes HP to minimize demon form damage
Just a note to the casuals who don't have the time or ability to level new characters super fast, I would be extremely cautious of the builds people are advertising that rely on absurd energy shield and item rarity stacking. Builds that surround these mechanics are on the chopping block after the holidays, if you have the ability to exploit them while they are available by all means go for it and farm up what it takes to invest and then profit, but if you are not sure if you will be able to meaningfully farm in way that make investing into a new build significantly more advantageous than whatever you are playing right now I would caution you to avoid.
GGG said, they will nerf anything that makes fans feel as if it is the only solution to the game, right now MF and ES are those two mechanics. Life is significantly worse than ES and MF makes all builds feel like a waste of time with normal loot drops.
dash so smooth it looks like it came out of a korean mmo
I love the Demon dash so much, but I get swarmed with mobs and unable to clip out like the normal roll. Skill issues I guess.
korean back dash
Stacking n wackin
18:53 Demon Form snapshots your HP and ES it seems, you can take off all your items and youll have the same amount as when you transformed until you go to another zone. I used it in my first build but in another way, equipping a 400 hp chest and then replacing it for a 1700 armor 2.5% hp regen one
Crazy how blood mages have to spend health and mana to cast when es builds sit at 6-8x the health pool with no downsides.
And Grim Feast is essentially just their ascendancy without the drawback. Bloodmage is dogshit.
please come back GGG fix your game and nerf all these heretics into the ground
Blood Mage is so comically stupid it hurts. The first ascendancy point is purely negative as you will have no way to overcome to massive life costs without the leech node. I don't know wtf they were thinking.
Yes blood mage is weak and underpowered, doesn’t make this an op exploit. Internalist builds are not even top 20 :)
@@Brumak4eva Life Remnants grant far more life per pickup than Grim Feast does, getting you to double hp much faster. And there's nothing stopping Bloodmage from running Grim Feast and ES as well, getting both double hp and double ES.
I'm also playing this build thanks to Mathil's inspiration. For single target, I combine Essence Drain with Bonestorm. There's a supp gem called Drain Ailments that removes a random ailment to deal 35% more DoT. I put that into Essence Drain. Then I'd use Bonestorm+Lacerate+Ignition to add ailments reliably thanks to high spell dmg bonus from Demon Form. Bonestorm's dmg is also respectable with Demon Form as well.
holy jiggle physics on the demon dommy mommy lady
hahaha ENCHANCE ZOOM ENGAGE! dang you are right!
The dash is the only reason I'm still playing this game tbh. I've gone through a few builds but with the extreme amount of backtracking while mapping and often getting stun locked and swarmed I couldn't do much maps until I got bored. Demon form bypasses all this and I genuinely can't see myself playing anything else until GGG fixes mobility or having to backtrack to clear maps. You move atleast x2 faster and it is super responsive at dodging out of the way, and it can change direction mid-dodge so you can go through doorways or go backwards. It's a game changer
The big downside is the clunkiness of having to reset demon form, if it drops mid-boss fight or breach you're basically fucked. So you need to pay attention. Or alternatively build your stacks up so high that they never drop off inside maps, which is my aim. I'm at 350 stacks atm which is enough for all maps unless it rolls with multiple league mechanics at once
But honestly worse case scenario you just cap demonflame to 10 stacks and spec into more damage on tree. Yes it'll be much weaker overall but getting that dodge roll is what you're picking demon form for, there's a million other ways to solve damage. lots of highly abusable damage setups right now
Hey there, been playing this build (kinda, im hexblast) since launch of EA and i got around mana cost by going PyromanticPact and get +MaxFire Res and LifeRegenerationRate Jewels for anyone wondering where this can go :) Allows for even more ES on the Tree btw.
Good to see you jumping on the Demon Form bandwagon Math :)
FYI there is no benefit going below 200 hp. There was a patch a while back now where they capped the life loss per stack at 1minimum, which equates to the loss at 200 hp, so anything below 200 hp is not going to see any reduction in the life degen per stack.
Yes everyone already knows this. Being at 201 is worse than 200 though. So
@@btyler24323I didn’t know that.
@@TheFierburn 9:05 dude... but mathil doesnt mention it?? actually pay attention.
The degen happens over 30 server ticks, meaning you can have way lower max life than ur stacks, the way my setup is built allows me to sustain stack cap (3k) on way way lower health
@@FmboyOW is there a guide somewhere for what you are doing?
dropping HP and getting flat regen reminds me a lot of the old 55 monk setup from GW2
Gotta get them UW ECTOS lol protective spirit HYPE
If you want a stronger Essence Drain dot you can use Envenom on your Dark Effigy for the Poison proc. Combine that with Drain Elements on your Essence Drain. It eats the weak Poison proc and gives your Essence Drain a 35% MORE damage increase.
You needn't even use a support gem for poison, the dog burns everything near it
That was going to be the plan for a 6th link if that ever happens or I suppose I could swap the chain for heavier fights.
Also chaotic freeze on Contagion is great.
0:44 Math saying "demon waifu lady thing" was not on my 2024 bingo card
nearly spat out my water hearing him say that
that name is taken now
@@ersetzbar. 🤣
Impending doom on the despair gives some really nice clear when the cursed enemy dies to the dot
yep and you can cast a 100% crit hexblast (hourglass + inevitable crit is what I use) to trigger it early.
I dont know if it is intended or not, but thanks to decaying hex, you can spread your curse with contagion, You can also spread poisons this way. Contagion says it spreads ALL chaos DoTs, apparently that is truly ALL of them. There is an unfortunate weapon swap bug with curses, but you can use both decaying hex and the impending doom explosions together if you dont weapon swap and have exploding packs of enemies with chaos DoTs.
Contagion spreads curse even without decaying hex
@Daydream2142 if so that's even better
This literalrly doesn't work. Hexbloom doesn't spread damage from decaying hex and doesn't spread doomblast. Only thr curse spreads, nothing else.
@eshannumin not sure what your setup was, but all the dots/curses were spread by contagion, and before I was using a curse weapon swap the doom blast support was chaining explosions
The Ten demon flame is good for early on then just spec out of it for the hound when you have regen at something do able.
You're choosing exactly the same spec I'm beginning to play after choosing Monk like you, nice :D
same lol
I also did the same after playing monk as well lmao.
Since you have the node that grants 11% more chaos damage, you can put the 'withering touch' support into the spell 'eye of winter' to quickly cap stacks of wither.
they gotta give demon form some absolutely diabolical MTX
like a pale angel
maybe something holy/ innocence coded
stygian?
actual beidat skin?
vaal Demon of atzoatle?
holy beidat
Love your builds man!
holy shit the passive tree has a shapeshift spec option, so you can have damage for non demon form, and go back to pure defense when you shift
so, a couple days ago i did some testing with demon form, and demon form IS NOT effected by the shapeshift spec options, and only the vanilla passive skills. when i was testing, i had increased energy shield passives set to the shapeshift set, but when i turned into the demon form my es didn't change.
a hot fix might of corrected this without knowing it, but just something to be warry of, as demon form has some issues around it.
Ah mathil, so young and innocent. While the chinese on bilibili stack 2000 spell power buffs he is out there content with 200, real humble man.
Since you have no supports on demon form right now, if it works like the chayula thing on monk it doesn't seem like any supports that add flat spirit do actually have a cost when used on these ascendancy auras. I have vitality, precision and clarity on my Into The Breach and they do not change my spirit reservation at all, based on tooltips you do actually get their effects though. It's free life and mana regen (precision obv useless on casters)
You should check that, when I was testing some demon form things it seemed like the spirit cost supports were not applying their effects. Just have your character sheet open and watch your regen numbers when you slot in clarity or vitality to see.
from what i tested with demon form a couple days ago, adding vitality/clarity to demon form actually increases the casting cost to change into the demon form but doesn't give you the auras from them.
so with vitality supporting demon form, you will need 20 unreserved spirit to shapeshift into the demon form, but while in demon form, you will lose out of the 20 spirit but not gain the life regen from it.
@@thehob3836 it doesnt work on demon form, but it absolutely works with the chayula ascendancy from monk. can have every aura support running for free, but it does seem weird and I think it's going to be changed/fixed.
@ I went to his stream after and some people in chat confirmed it works on Into the Breach (I also double checked afterwards) but for some reason not with demon form.
It’s either that there’s a mechanical difference between them that makes the difference or one of them is bugged
@@deviant324 yeah, i think its like demon form you are turning it on for weapon set 1/2 but then immediately changed to the shapeshift set with a different demon form skill to turn it off and not on.
while into the beach doesn't change you weapon set. so it is active with the same set you triggered it with.
wtf I was just levelling up this exact same idea, up to my second ascendancy now. Honestly surprised by how good demon form feels, I thought it would feel a lot more dangerous.
I didn't know Aaron Paul plays PoE
had planned to remake my EC/Contagion blood mage build with an infernalist because imo blood mage feels like straight dog to play. Big thing that helped Contagion and essence drain late game was aoe nodes and gems with doom on curses, make mapping feel 10x better since contagion would chain like 4m
Wouldn't spell cascade be better than unleash since it adds area?
Are you immune to bleed and poison with this build? Because normally they ignore energy shield so my assumption would be they would one-shot you unless your regen is just so high that you can ignore them?
The regen is likely enough for bleed but I think the reason he has 75% chaos resist is that it needs help with the poisons.
bleed can only apply if you take damage directly to life so he's immune to it
@@abebuckingham8198 think that's because shield takes double damage from chaos also the chest unique has a chunk of chaos resist also
Bleed and poison can't be inflicted without doing damage to the life pool itself. With how little life he has, any hit that would apply a bleed or poison is probably a hit that kills him anyway regardless.
ES builds are immune to bleed. The hit damage needs to hit your life pool for a bleed chance to roll, if you don't take hit damage to your life then you cannot bleed.
Poison is countered by having decent regen + maxed chaos res. Chaos res is mandatory but it is super easy to get with x2 mings heart + ghostwrithe. Those 3 alone can cap it with max rolls
poison is pretty good on dark effigy because it counts as a chaos debuff, which allows the tower to self target. adding plague burst also counts as a choas debuff that spreads. only thing that sucks about dark effigy is it needs a choas debuff to start shooting the one mechanic of the skill i wish ggg would change. i like the idea the more stacks the faster and more it shoots.
it would be really cool if they changed the demon form stack cap ascension node to a toggle ability that locks you at the current demon form stacks. This would allow players to freely stack to what they are able to deal with.
How do you survive poison and bleeds that go through the shield?
They don't. Poison and bleed are only applied if your life is hit in the first place - so they are never applied on an ES build.
Does Grim Harvest feel bugged for anyone else? The energy shield remnants are there but when I pick them up my ES doesn't change
What do you do if you take chaos damage? Won't it just go through energy shield and one tap you
In PoE2, chaos damage doesn't fully bypass energy shield. It "only" deals double damage against ES instead.
If you have high ES and chaos resist (which ghostwrite provides) it's very manageable.
What do you think about hexblast instead of essence drain?
GGG: we will not nerf this build because it has 2 buttons.
holy mother of.....that dash....i'm in love......
GGG entire identity revolves around BLIZZARD'S DIABLO
I had a huge deja vu at 4:34, feels like i've already seen somewhere a character that needed to ramp with a transformation. I seem to remember there were community complaints about it cause it took to long and didn't feel good. It does not seem to be the case here though.
Last Epoch?
The one thing i dont like demon form beside all the bugs with it. But its you cant use any mtx on it. It will be cool like they had alt mtx for it later on
I wonder if Demon Form works like Into the Breach for Chayula monks. You can put all the spirit supports in there for zero spirit cost.
sadly it currently doesn't work that way. with vitality and clarity supporting demon from, it makes it so you need 30 unreserved spirit to cast demon form but doesn't give you the effects of vitality/clarity while in demon form.
Big overfight not having demon form degen ES as well. Since it's only HP, it leads to things like tinctures and getting the right amount to never degen more than regen.
Health having no % scaling but all flat from levels and items is a big problem. ES is good because armor gives flat es and there is ES % on the tree. Major balance issue unless they bring back life nodes.
You can run mask of the stitched demon to get an insane amount of life regen, I am able to sustain up to around 500-600 stacks of demonform with the helmet
With no ES and a health pool of 2500 with mind over matter. Absolute garbage for mapping vs ES
question: Chaos dmg or Spark?
spark seems to have better top end dps. I'm staying with hexblast CoI comet with the infernal flame nodes from infernalist. You hit certain breakpoints in your mana cost vs mana pool and you can proc comet every single hexblast cast and it is super consistent above 100 demonflame stacks. Rare and unique mobs get insta deleted being nuked by comets. It feels like you're playing pre-nerfed CoI builds. It even procs vs magic/normal packs half of the time but everything is already dead because hexblast 1 shots
Oh shit i was just gonna upgrade the demon form build i already had, gotta hurry before the video breaks the market
I just ascended and got about 33 life regen, and can't sustain demon form at all, at around 25+ stacks i start to degen real bad, at how much life regen does this become more "stable" ?
Depends on how many stacks you want to sustain.
100stacks = you need 50% of your max life as regen before it starts degening
200stacks = you need 100% of your max life as regen before it starts degening
300stacks = you need 150% of your max life as regen....
400stacks = you need 200% of your max life.......
Say your max life is 1000 then you need 500 life regen to get 100stacks, but if you were to have max 300 life, then you only need 150 life regen to get the same 100stacks.
Hope that somewhat helps
@pon4411 very much so ty
Ball lightning is fantastic for withher, can get 10 stacks instantly on bosses
whoever thought putting % ES and % Mana on the tree but a single +20 Life node on the tree is a certified idiot.... how that got thru everyone else at GGG I have no idea. Like, almost everyone on seeing just a small number of passives available knew that Mana stack was going to be insane, and potentially ES too. Wow... we were all right when GGG wasnt? Really wanna know what is going on there sometimes xD
Was just about to give this a try after seeing that reddit post talking about the build tech.
Looks like so much fun compared to Corrupting Cry!
GL getting any trade responses for those now at a reasonable price. Love Mathil's builds, but man do they hit the market sometimes
What happens if you go CI?
You can't use demon form
@@PSYCH0N4VT Unfortunate.
Been running this build but add a blasphemy + hexblast setup for ST. Smooths out boss fights a lot.
Wish I could use Demon Form as a Blood Mage lol, but am running the same skills. Solid build.
wait don't ming's hearts give reduced GLOBAL defences? does that not hurt your ES pool as much as I think it should?
Altered flesh would actually be a good idea because you have so much chaos res it's a bunch of phys mit. it'd mean you can try to just get fire res for some double dipping defence
nah it gives 3% max life on the node before it which means less demonflame stacks. You don't want it. It's genuinely better to allocate nothing.
If you catalyst the ming's hearts you can make up for it. I know you don't get the other catalyst options but it's still a possibility
would ingenuity be decent for this?
Probably, you could drop down to 1 Ming's and then use a rare ring with regen and other goodies.
55hp monk from guild wars 1 vibe, I love it
You can ACTUALLY DODGE shit with it. It feels like the game was balanced around it. Also, Chaotic Freeze on Contagion is INSANE btw. Oh and the "snapshot" tech works with the Mings as well, you can take them off after transforming and still have the reduced life, so you can take them off and add more flat life regen.
Yeah removing all the %life nodes from the tree was definitely a choice...
I was a 2.7k HP build with really good HP gear... switch to ES, 15k overflow. Seems reasonable.
Yeah, the ES vs Life issue is absolutely nonsese right now, I know it's EA but some things are just in a really bad place for no real reason.
Whats hilarious is the EXACT same situation happened in PoE1 which is deeply concerning. How did they repeat the same mistake? It is so much worse this time around too as in PoE1 going ES was very expensive and it was awkward to transition into. But in PoE2 it's literality free, people are doing it SSF no problem
the issue that i currently have with ES in poe2 is that you are bascially required to us grim feast. Without you just cant sustain enough es, especially during acts
All considered ED still needs a hefty buff if you compare it to most other spells.
chaos freeze support gem on contagion would be insane tbh
Not for chaos DoT because DoT can't freeze but it is really good for hexblast setups
hey Mathil can you make a really good ES build in poe2
well damn, gonna try this on my infernalist because I got 1 already on cruel that I didn't touch again because I just dont enjoy minion playstyle that much. wish me luck
I cant activate any spirit skills while in demon form.
Demon form had zero love until 0.1.0e. (Levers hell)
Good build concept with cutting hp to have flat regen & base health as the same amount. 200 flat regen isn't hard to get.
flat regen finally op 😮
Doesn't it bother you that movement speed in poe2 blows?
not with demonform it doesnt
@@MyNameIsSalo compared to poe1 its dogshit slow buddy
Absolutely hilarious your melee comments LOL
Damn, I can't have Buff in my demon form. I have 140 of sprit, no we pond, but I can't activate buffs/aura...
You can get a bunch of cheap red jewels chaos spam until u hit regen and then Vaal in hopes of a resistance roll
"cheap"? chaos orbs are 1 to 2 ex. They are very expensive to be rolling jewels with. The jewels might be cheap but rolling them is not
@ I mean you can try buying already corrupted jewels with res and life regen rate
for those wanting to do this build currentl ming heart is 1 div at the time of posting this comment.... sooo if you dont got that its harder to do the build
I love the d4 ads I get during this video
How do you deal with chaos damage? I don't see how 200 hp can take a chaos damage hit/dot
Because chaos damage does 2x damage to energy shield rather than bypassing it like in poe1.
E. Hazard playing poe2
So we playing Last Epoch Ward patch as early access 😅
Basically ES sorc from d2 playing with negative res almost like its nothing love it 🎉
add Blackflame to this build for total aesthetic
cries in eva life melee build...
Demon Form and Bonestorm is broken on bosses. The damage is ridiculous.
Demon form makes a bunch of peoples games crash.
This is the only ascendancy that actually feels like and ascendancy. At least the character changes visually, not only background numbers calculations. Unfortunately, the rest of classes ascendancy feels underwhelming, both in numbers, visuals and exclusive skills.
+6 to all spell skills would be a lot more enticing if it didnt jack the mana cost through the roof 😂
that's why infernalist has a node that removes all mana and instead turns it into damage taken. So you build for mitigating and sustaining damage, which funnily enough also increases your demonflame stacks if you invest into it via regen. Lots of synergy there
geez plus 6 to level of all spells during demon form
And loosing all weapon and shield/focus stats... doesn't make up for it
@@Akkrima It's close enough in terms of damage, the main drawback is that it's just fucking dull to not care about weapons.
@@Akkrima yes it does. +6 25% cast speed 180% damage is pretty close to what you'd expect from your weapon slots, and thats 10 demonflame stacks or only 10 seconds. These builds can scale to 400-500 stacks, I'm at 350 and nowhere near close to maxed. That's +6 levels, 25% cast speed and 7200% SPELL DAMAGE. What weapon is giving you 7200% spell dam?
Bleed/poison insta killing this build lol?
...and they deleted cast on freeze/shock/ignite/critical, ok.
hexblast demon form is the best
How does Demon Form interact with Chaos Innoculation? Anyone testet it?
ypu go out of form instantly
Demon form ends at 1 life. Chaos inoculation is 1 life so they dont stack
I literally respecced into ED Contagion yesterday.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck XD
The Mathil effect will ruin me at last after succesfully dodging it for 4 years XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Just fyi anyone trying demonform builds, you dont want lower than 200hp, does nothing.
It is crazy how overtuned es is right now, or undertuned hp is.
Bet they'll nerf ES into the ground instead of buffing life :P
How does this build manage to deal with chaos damage? Wont chaos damage just bypass your ES and 1 shot you?
Not in poe 2. In poe 2 chaos damage does 2 times damage to es
@@shrekthedank1999Thanks for that. Didn't know they changed it in poe 2. Cheers.
Build completely nerfed next patch because of the vid😂
How to make Essence Drain good, get 3000% spell damage. 👍
at best it makes essence drain usable. Good is an overstatement. Still can't do single target dps
yes!
Is it just me or are you missing a huge opportunity not going "low life Cheap regen annoint with life regen and huge cast speed node for no investment really
When I Player as a melee I must say that they didnt learn anything from poe1. Was this really GGG doing this game? Maybe in 10 years they will figure this melee...who knows...who knows....GL GGG
Demon form so good. Just say that ES is the real reason why it lets you play so janky - (only thing that scales on the whole tree.) 65 map zone and 72 as highest in the video.
That's pretty disingenious, no?
how long until they delete this build too?
What is the point of thousands of ES when reaching 0 life still kills you? Chaos damage must be deadly, right?
A) he has 75% chaos resist and b) chaos doesn't go through ES in PoE2, just does double damage.