Josh you are an amazing rider and a real down to earth kind of guy. Even with all your knowledge and experience you break down and give us leather break in videos followed up with dope track day laps. Good luck to you bro, ride safe I’ll be following you from now on
I broke under 2:15 this at that track. This makes me feel sloooooowwww. But I liked watching this and picked up some things I didn’t know i was doing wrong .
Thank you so much...this is a great reference. This had to feel like slow motion to you, but 130 on that back side between 7 and 8 is shitty and getting.
I’ll try to get a decent lap today. It’s hard at track days with all of the traffic. I’m usually coaching when I’m at track days and don’t want to ditch my student. Lol
@@joshherrin ahhh you are just being polite. Kill it at the last session of the day :) Michael Gilbert did a 1:54.26 for the CycleWorld test on the stock machine. Just to give you some motivation :)
Josh Herrin Oh I know I was replying to the comment saying he wanted to see you push the stock bike. Like that is a video of you pushing a stock bike 😂
Definitely not. Each bike has a specific point in each gears RPM range when the power begins to drop off so holding it all the way to red line for each rev cycle is wasted energy and doesn’t benefit you. The only time going to red line is necessary is if you’re in a segment of the track where shifting is wasted time so you stretch the gear into the turn till you need to downshift. Typically only really need to do that while racing or going for a hot lap at a track day. Recommend that you get your bike dyno’d so you can see the mapping for your bike exactly so you know where you should be shifting to maximize your power output.
This video was purely to show correct lines and braking points for someone at the track day level. I go off of feel but that comes with 25 years of racing experience. My advice to you would be to rely on your OEM shift light for the best shift point. The higher the RPM, the harder it usually is to turn the bike, so I usually try to be in a higher gear if possible. With that being said, I love the way the motorcycle feels in the corners with higher RPM because it gives me more confidence in the front tire because the engine braking helps add more weight on the front tire. The downside to that is you might end up having to grab a gear in an awkward position on the bike exiting the corner. That’s where GP/reverse shifting comes in handy because no matter what, if you’re in a left handed corner or a right handed corner, you can shift up easily. 👍🏼
@Josh Herrin Is that why you shift early to 3rd during 5a? Bc it's awkward to shift mid-6? Or just because lower rev at that point gives you easier ability to point the bike for exit of 6? I was experimenting with where to shift for 6 last time I was on THill east. Being in 2nd coming into 6 means you're top of the rev range when exiting and still leaned over... and for me that's a bit uncomfortable bc, on the beemer, top of the rev in 2nd means front wheel is off the ground (and I'm not really at that level yet, ya know?).
Will the "line" change doing a sub 1:50 (lap record is a 1:45 or 46 I think) or the braking and turn-in points? Line looked like the fast line to me. You hit every apex cone perfectly and picked up the gas at every apex cone perfectly as well.
"MotoAmerica Superbike Champion Cameron Beaubier emerging with the quickest lap - a 1:45.2, which is a few tenths slower than his best at Thunderhill." So I think around 44 high on 1000 and 46 on 600 if I remember correctly, with the "cyclone" deviation as shown in the video.
Give me an R1M any day and Ill smoke that time. S1000RR is good for the isle of man thats about it. Bike looks like it struggles from 8-11rpm in all your shifts.
For most of us this would be considered a fast lap and he is just casually showing us lines, Crazy.
agree
This track is a jewel in the middle of nowhere.
Josh you are an amazing rider and a real down to earth kind of guy. Even with all your knowledge and experience you break down and give us leather break in videos followed up with dope track day laps. Good luck to you bro, ride safe I’ll be following you from now on
Watch for the orange cones at the corner apex. A lot of tracks do this. Good learning tool and something to aim for when learning a new track.
I broke under 2:15 this at that track. This makes me feel sloooooowwww. But I liked watching this and picked up some things I didn’t know i was doing wrong .
Nice and smooth
Hey, I think this was at the private day I hosted 9/29! Thanks for coming out and coaching my buddy!
Smooth and controlled. Excellent riding without drama.
Thank you for showing Herrin Sensei!!!
🙏🙏🙏
So awesome Josh! This does help. Now, how about a lap at what the fast AFM racers do it, 1:50’s. Or pretty much holding it open until you see God. 😮
Did you lay down the apex cones? Bang Bang you nailed them apex 🍻🙌🏻✊🏼🏁🏆🍾
Good luck indy next week!!
Thank you!
Thank you so much...this is a great reference. This had to feel like slow motion to you, but 130 on that back side between 7 and 8 is shitty and getting.
so neat and tidy 👍👍👍👍👍👍
SICK!!!
Felt good last time out when I dropped two seconds. Now I need to drop another 13? Crap!
Bro, he passes me like I am stopped in the pits at Adams Kart track.
How much is ABS holding you back? And what do you think you motoamerica s1krr could do at there? Thx
Nice clean lines as expected but we want to see a lap where you pushed the stock bike ;)
It is stock. It is his street bike not his race bike.
THEOreticalAPEX everything is stock still. I haven’t even flashed it yet. 🤦🏻♂️ It’ll be done soon!
I’ll try to get a decent lap today. It’s hard at track days with all of the traffic. I’m usually coaching when I’m at track days and don’t want to ditch my student. Lol
@@joshherrin ahhh you are just being polite. Kill it at the last session of the day :) Michael Gilbert did a 1:54.26 for the CycleWorld test on the stock machine. Just to give you some motivation :)
Josh Herrin Oh I know I was replying to the comment saying he wanted to see you push the stock bike. Like that is a video of you pushing a stock bike 😂
I often wonder why cutting across the curbs in the esses is considered to be a "correct" line at Thunderhill.
Because that's how you turn the fastest lap? 🤔😉
Do you fall asleep when you're riding at this pace Josh? You can hear how not on the gas you are the entire lap.
should the lines be different for sub 2 min pace?
Ken Hill - Tony Meiring video here was legit.
How much quicker could you do it on your MA bike?
Hey hey, did you enable GPS? If lets put some Genius performance overlays in this videos, you'd increase your video views, just sayin ;)
Do you think much time can be found by using all the rpm or are you finding better torque and times off the red line
Definitely not. Each bike has a specific point in each gears RPM range when the power begins to drop off so holding it all the way to red line for each rev cycle is wasted energy and doesn’t benefit you. The only time going to red line is necessary is if you’re in a segment of the track where shifting is wasted time so you stretch the gear into the turn till you need to downshift. Typically only really need to do that while racing or going for a hot lap at a track day. Recommend that you get your bike dyno’d so you can see the mapping for your bike exactly so you know where you should be shifting to maximize your power output.
This video was purely to show correct lines and braking points for someone at the track day level. I go off of feel but that comes with 25 years of racing experience. My advice to you would be to rely on your OEM shift light for the best shift point. The higher the RPM, the harder it usually is to turn the bike, so I usually try to be in a higher gear if possible. With that being said, I love the way the motorcycle feels in the corners with higher RPM because it gives me more confidence in the front tire because the engine braking helps add more weight on the front tire. The downside to that is you might end up having to grab a gear in an awkward position on the bike exiting the corner. That’s where GP/reverse shifting comes in handy because no matter what, if you’re in a left handed corner or a right handed corner, you can shift up easily. 👍🏼
Josh Herrin ...that was a lot of good info you just typed. Thank you👍
@Josh Herrin Is that why you shift early to 3rd during 5a? Bc it's awkward to shift mid-6? Or just because lower rev at that point gives you easier ability to point the bike for exit of 6? I was experimenting with where to shift for 6 last time I was on THill east. Being in 2nd coming into 6 means you're top of the rev range when exiting and still leaned over... and for me that's a bit uncomfortable bc, on the beemer, top of the rev in 2nd means front wheel is off the ground (and I'm not really at that level yet, ya know?).
Id like to see a wider fov to show your clutch/brake
Imagine those same speeds over the 37.7 mile course of the Isle of Man TT and holding it for 6 laps. Shows how insane the Isle of Man TT race is.
I'm going to Thunderhill west 10-24 and East 11-9 wanna bring your Ohavle out?
That track might be a little tight for my Ohvale. 😂
@@joshherrin I'm sure you can manage it
@@joshherrin heck I would even let you bring lunch!
Certainly leaning hard into the TC. The light is constantly flashing!!!
Nice!
I wanna see you on the M1KR
Will the "line" change doing a sub 1:50 (lap record is a 1:45 or 46 I think) or the braking and turn-in points? Line looked like the fast line to me. You hit every apex cone perfectly and picked up the gas at every apex cone perfectly as well.
"MotoAmerica Superbike Champion Cameron Beaubier emerging with the quickest lap - a 1:45.2, which is a few tenths slower than his best at Thunderhill."
So I think around 44 high on 1000 and 46 on 600 if I remember correctly, with the "cyclone" deviation as shown in the video.
What's your best east lap though?
I’ve done a 1:46 at this track! 😳
Yeahuh rep the bay !! San Jose🤙🏽
So smooth, not a ripple.
I really want to get into street track racing now, holy hell this just looks like too much fun
51* lean angle and accelerating hahaha The most I saw was 55*
Post more ofteb
So fast!
just a casual ride forJosh at a good a group pace lol
First!!
NO fing wayyyyyyyyyyy I ride there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know why he said (Correct Lines) as if anyone sane watching this was going to challenge him LOL
And losers think Maxlimpwrist is killin the game......
Give me an R1M any day and Ill smoke that time. S1000RR is good for the isle of man thats about it. Bike looks like it struggles from 8-11rpm in all your shifts.
post your lap, keyboard racer.
Neland Duncan lol keep your helmet on junior.
Easy there killer. I was cruising. I’ve done a 46 at this track.
@@neland lmao this guy probably did 1 track day and thinks hes the shit now
So how are you liking your 2020?? Did you end up getting the torque program or did you leave it stock???