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First, the heads, fuel delivery and pistons are different on the BRZ/FRS motor vs the WRX. This gives it a higher compression ratio as well. Secondly, I'm with you that the WRX is a better buy, but the STI isn't the same except the engine. The WRX and STI share the exact same chassis and sway bars. The extra cost of the STI is in the suspension, transmission, axles, limited slip and driver controlled differentials (3 differentials in each car, by the way), steering rack, interior, and the engine. The STI drivetrain is still one of the most stout and advanced in the world. BUT, I did the math recently in a discussion online and for the 30% extra you spend on an STI vs the 5-10% extra performance isn't worth it, on top of the fuel mileage difference. Previously, the STI was worth it, but with the VA chassis, not so much. The WRX starts at $26,695 MSRP. The STi starts at $35,195 MSRP. The STi is 31.8% more expensive, starting out, vs the WRX. If you take an average of the aggregate of the 1/4 mile and 0-60 times from all major automotive publications since the 2015 MY: The WRX is 5.35 seconds to 60mph. The STi is 4.92 seconds to 60mph. The STi is 8.74% faster to 60mph. The WRX does the 1/4 mile in 13.94 seconds @ 98.91mph The STi does the 1/4 mile in 13.433 seoncds @ 103.04mph The STi is 3.77% seconds and 4.18% mph faster in the 1/4 mile. On Car and Driver's Lightning Lap at VIR: WRX posted a time of 3:15.5 STi Posted a time of 3:10.5 The STi was 2.62% faster. On Motor Trend's Streets of Willow, driven by the legendary Randy Probst: WRX posted a time of 1:27.33 STi posted a time of 1:26.12 The STi was 1.41% faster. Having been an owner of an STi in the past, I will agree it is a better "driving experience" as far as "feel" goes. I prefer the FA20 powered WRX. It has much more usable torque thanks to it's twin-scroll turbo, and flatter power curve. Strictly from a statistical, logical point of view, the WRX is a better option with this generation. I don't think that $10,000 more is worth it for the STi now.
@@righteousfire885 he acknowledges the stock argument at the start of his comment and then goes on to make your points /nerd novel completely void and obsolete. STI will always be superior & if you want economy Maybe don’t buy a awd turbo performance car. 🤙🏻
Here is where the extra money goes for STI: 1) Bigger Engine 2) C.DIFF + 2 LSD 3) Brembos 4) Bigger wheels 5) Hydrolic Steering 6) Close Ratio Gearbox 7) Throttle Maps 8) Wing
CyberrJunky yeah I get the feeling dudeinblue does not really do any research prior to shooting these videos. I am not a subaru owner or fan, yet I know there are always three diffs in a permanent 4x4 car, as opposed to dudeinblue who says there are only two. Thatdudeinblue is very talented and knows how to describe emotions while driving. He tells you how a car feels and what sort of "personality" it has. When it comes to technical talk such as drivetrain/suspension knowledge, I am led to believe, he simply talks to the owner a bit and then simply shoots a video. A brave move, but I can't see him doing that for an extended period of time. His fanbase is huge and I am afraid many if not most of his subscribers have outgrown him in understanding of the technical side of things. The question is, whether the narrative about car's personality is enough for such people to find his videos interesting and keep viewing them in the future.
The 2018 has a c diff it’s just not controllable by the driver. It splits the torque automatically based on wheel slip. The wrx does need some limited slips though.
The reason they don't turbo the BRZ is probably because of some agreement between Toyota and Subaru. If they were to make an STI version it would severely hurt FRS sales.
Scion doesn’t exist lol. They don’t turbo it because then it would take away from wrx/sti sales and some would settle for the 300hp 86 instead of getting toyotas new supra.
Devin Stambolziovski Gt86 then, make the leap. It would take away from those sales but it would also take away from Toyota's and there was probably an agreement between Subaru and Toyota when they built the car that there would be no STI version
Honestly the reason I believe brz and gt86 won’t get a turbo is to keep it like the ae86, NA and from my understanding high rpm range. Unless they decide to make a track edition type thing because the chassis for the twins is really good.
I mean they could make a turbo STI/TRD and fix the current problems of the BRZ while also adding some more horsepower (280-ish) and more torque adding tiny extra aero bits and pieces would also be really nice
I own a 2017 WRX, and it's simply about the owner. You get a good value for both cars IF you want a quick fun daily driver (WRX) or a track racer (STI). Both cars are amazing on their own right, and they're actually much different (transmission, brakes, suspension all adds up, not just the engine.) For me just wasn't worth it the extra cash for the STI because I don't do track, but that's it. I'd get an STI if it was cheaper for sure hahaha!
Is the sti worth the extra money YES. But the real question is, is it worth it to the person driving it. It's that simple. As a sti owner I can honestly say the wrx is better for the vast majority of people but if you need or want the trans diffs brakes and hydraulic steering etc the sti is worth the extra money
David, sorry you really don't know what you're talking about. First off the FA20 in the BRZ and WRX are different. The former has port injection and direct injection, better flowing heads and different pistons. Secondly the STI has a much better feeling trans with a mechanical linkage and better gearing, better not open diffs, bigger brakes, and a better steering ratio. You're seriously over generalizing just saying they're basically the same.
No the STI still has an old port injected ej25. I'm saying the FA20 in the BRZ and the FA20 in the WRX are not just different because one has a turbo. The BRZ has both port and direct while the WRX is strictly direct injection. There's a bunch of other small differences that add up.
They got rid of it a few years back on USDM models, with the idea that traction control (software) would make it not necessary. Guess what, adding LSD is more popular on WRX's than ever!
My main complaint is they Blow up to much, Had a STi and EVO both. The EVO is much better unless your leaving the Subie stock. Spend 20k on a Subaru get 400whp Spend 20k on a EVO get 800-1000whp
JD JoyrideTV lol. I wanted to get a new wrx but didn't want the hassle of dealing with something like that. Knowing my luck that shit will blow up on me
I've never spent 15k on a build for a Subaru that made over 700whp seems like you were ripped off. I also built my evo 9 I'm around 16k in that and just shy of 900whp. I will say the evo has a far superior head designe
If your going for a high horse power build then the Sti is the choice. The Fa20 wrx is great for a daily driver "stage 2" makes the car a blast day to day. Once you go beyond "Stage 2" you run into fueling issues thanks to the direct injection. Having to supplement fueling becomes the issue. Such as doing port injection running a piggy back to control it. I am running a Aquamist methanol kit with four nozzles into the intake manifold. The low end power is amazing in the Wrx thanks to the twin scroll but once you start making power you have to tune the power band for after 3krpms. Since the car makes so much torque down low it can cause the rods to bend. Like I said if you want Huge power numbers get the STI, but if you want a fun daily driver the new Wrx is the way to go. I know one thing though if Subaru doesn't WOW us all with the new FA2.4 they will start to lose their fan base. (I'm talking atleast 380hp) Let's also hope the new FA2.4 has port and direct injection built in like the Brz does. Rant over
I have a 2015 WRX with 66k OG miles on everything nothing has been touched other than normal oil changes and air filters. The car runs beautiful and it’s a blast to drive. I average 23-28mpg even getting on it. I can get around 350-400 miles to a tank of gas. It’s the base model I do wish it had better headlights and and wheels but that will come eventually. Nice video! I do think the STI is worth it in a sense over the WRX, but then again heck with the old EJ motor, the FA seems more reliable and better gas mileage.
DCCD, steering, transmission, diff, braking system, clutch, suspension and don't forget the wing lol. You can't compare an interior of a 18 wrx to a 15 STI because it's been upgraded every year.
Thank you! David just talks about DD things and forgets the biggest differences. The wrx is a better DD. The STI is a better car to have as a track car.
No difference in suspension between 2018 sti and 2018 wrx. That was the upgrade for 2018 wrx. And better steering, also the transmission was made better for 2018. Not huge differences to compare to the sti but still slightly better whilst the sti is the same as 2015, except for interior, wheels and brakes, 4 pot to 6 pot. Seems like their possibly gonna put the fa20 in the 2020 sti just overbuilt like the prior sti/wrx generations with the ej255 vs ej257.
Unless something changed, the 6-speed in the STI is significantly stronger than the one in the WRX. Completely different unit, not even counting the DCCD. The wrx should have a weaksauce viscous center differential, just like "normal" manual trans subarus.
I get why most people prefer the wrx, from pricing, the lower end torque, corners well for what you get, etc. with that being said I went with the STI for that glorious UEL sound, the much better transmission, brembo brakes, and to me personally, I kind of like the top end power and the drama the turbo lag gives you when it just smacks you in the face. To each their own though. I do agree Subaru needs to get their shit together though and should have put a new engine in their STI years ago, and the STI price shouldn’t be so expensive either.
Turbo lag is a bad thing. If you like it, good for you. But less turbo lag is always better. EJ25 has so much turbo lag because it is an outdated engine. I loved the engine in the '05 STi I used to own. Would I want the same damn engine 13 years later? No thanks.
14mpg is BS. I drive my STI in London daily in its morning and evening traffics and I get 20mpg, and I don't drive it like a grandpa as well. And guys, FFS, you don't buy sports car and then moan about the MPG. Those who do moan about it either moan about everything, or just went over their budget and thought that car's price ends when you just pay for the car. David, you have this smiles per gallon campaign going with available sticker to buy. First thing I did when I got myself an STI was got that sticker and put it on my car so that whenever I am asked how much it drinks I just point to the sticker and walk away. And all of you asking Subaru for newer things, aren't you the ones who always moan about how cars these days are going automatic, how they feel heavier, how there is no feel of the road in steering rack, how there is no handbreak anymore, yada yada yada. And here comes Subaru and gives you pure raw drivers car in STI. Manual, handbreak in place, mechanical diff(which is awesome), one of the best steering racks. Basically all the things you lot are moaning about in modern car Subaru avoids and keeps it old school. Old engine? There is a reason its still there (excluding development costs of new engine obviously :D), because of unequal length headers and its rumble. New WRX sounds just like any other 4 cyl car, so all of the Subaru fans moan about it, that Subaru lost it, this and that. And David, what is this BS about other cars available for the same price as STI? Few videos ago you yourself talked about the Ford RS dealer mark ups in US. And offering VW Golf R if kinda blasphemy, since Golf R is kinda meh. And two wheel drive civic? Yeah, my wallet would love me for tyre changing marathon every half a year. I was changing tyres for my scirocco 1.4 TSI every year, and here comes 300+ horses (double of scirocco) front wheel drive civic. Yeah. So either way, suggesting WRX over STI is kinda stupid. If you have money for STI, get an STI, you won't regret it. If you don't have money for STI, get WRX, the soul of Subaru is kinda still there. P.S. I'm talking here from UK point of view. Subaru discontinued STI in UK and if I see a Subaru on the road in London its like xmas for me. If I see Ford RS here, its just another Ford, if I see Golf R, its just another Golf. I never seen people stare at any golf R or RS on the street as much as they look at my car. And we can always ignore all this and mention one reason why you need to get Subaru: community or in other words family ;)
Focus rs is selling all day fully optioned 39-41k same exact price as a sti and even the limited. And pretty much the golf r fully optioned is the same price. It’s just a smack in the face when ford releases a better awd platform than the sti (proven) the motor in the RS mod for mod is light years ahead of the sti, the golf r smacks the shit out of the sti interior and has the dsg trans making it a mini gtr. And then you have the same basically the exact same fucking Subaru engine that’s been in the sti for pretty much 10 years. It’s time for a change and that’s what David is saying if you guys are happy with 305 hp that most sedans are coming standard with then by all means have fun racing mini vans and sedans.
When subaru finally change for a new engine lot of you fans few years from now will be like "I liked the previous engine" "why did Subaru came with a new engine, if it was reliable" Or some stupid sht like that
For me, its about more then just your moneys worth. Growing up in the country in oregon, we drove alot of of 70s and 80s subarus. I used to hoon them around on gravel roads for fun. Then in 2002 when i was 13 i found out about the STI and i said one day id own one. I own the 2017 STI right now and honestly i couldnt be happier. For me its about a dream.
Subaru needs to make an FA25. Put the NA one in the BRZ with like 230HP/190TQ, put a lower spec turbo one in the WRX with like 300HP/TQ, go balls deep with the STI and go for 400HP/TQ
You pretty much nailed it on the head I love my 2019 WRX and I'm glad I picked it over the STI the motor is more up-to-date and can pull just as many horses or be just as quick as the STI with just a few mods and a stage 1 or 2 tune. It is a way more comfortable ride for a daily driver as well.
My brz was 265 with a few simple mods and a tune to the intake and exhaust. 3.5inch overpipe straight out behind the front tire. Turbo was next just fate had other plans. Loved my brz, handles great and drive very nice. I'd own another, I agree with them needing STI. My brz started at 4250 and peaked at 7800 hell of a power band. It was nice just needed that tight spooling Turbo and would have been a perfect car.
I can hear the rev hang in this review. I have a 2017 and can say that after a tune from Cobb this car is wayyyy better. After a protune and some bolt ons like I have, it's even better.
Thank you for hitting up on the 6-spd. Though, like I did, buying a WRX and swapping in the 6-spd is much cheaper. Yes, Mitsubishi did change engines, but now look where it is. Also, with there finally being a billet EJ I wouldn't expect the platform to disappear any time soon. EJ engines don't go boom just because. They go boom either from idiocy, assembly error or someone is making insane power (and like any engine, making much more than engineered power will shorten the life of it).
For real, he must be constantly redlining it or something 😂. I average 19 and still push it a good amount of times. Still not great mpg but better than 14 lol
Cobb AP as well as some tuners will offer economy tunes to switch to for long trips that can get you closer to 23-28mpg. Honestly this dude in blue review is revealing why he isn't getting as much traffic on his channel. Don't piss off your audience with BS it's my first time at a car meet Honda forum conjecture.
I honestly do prefer the WRX because it’s the same as the STI except for the engine like you said and the best thing about the WRX is that it can do everything like the STI with a little nudge! I can carry family and stuff, still tune it, drive a 6 speed, look the same (without the wing and badges)!
I disagree that the cars are that close. I have owned a WRX and 3 STis. I currently have a 2017 STi limited and my Sister has a 2018 WRX limited, so I am able to make a direct comparison as well. Our cars are about $12,000.00 different in price and they are both the highest level package for each car. So, what is different, and is it worth $12,000.00 to go between models? 1. The transmission. They are both six speeds, but the WRX transmission feels like absolute trash compared to the STi. The STi's reinforced, close ratio transmission feels tight and responsive and overall bulletproof. We both have the Short throw as well and hers feels like a sloppy mess, just like my 2011 WRX's transmission did. So, would you pay a thousand dollars (or two) for an upgraded transmission? I surely would, as it is one of the most important aspects of your car. And don't get me started on the nasty rev-hang in the WRX, 2. Brembos. It will cost you between 3 and 7 thousand dollars for a Brembo upgrade, and that is if you buy the part and install them yourself. If you have driven a car with Brembos then you know that they destroy the standard brakes on a WRX. So, we have already almost covered the price gap. This is also something that was standard on the Evo. NOTE: I have driven EVOs as well and I really like them and almost purchased the Final Edition, but they felt stripped out compared to the STI and it was a lot more money and had been sitting on the lot since 2015. If they bring them back I am all about buying either car. 3. Suspension/body stiffness. The suspension/stiffness on the STi makes the WRX feel like a marshmallow in a tight turn. Not to mention the steering feel is completely different. When you drive them back to back you feel a night and day difference. And the new electronic steering on the WRX takes away from the feel dramatically. Give me assisted rack and pinion any day. I really hope they do not add that crap steering to the STi. Anyway, how much would it cost to upgrade the WRX's suspension/body stiffness to match the STi? I guarantee it would not be cheap. NOTE: The STi is a rough ride, so if you are a man bitch or have back problems, this may be an issue. 3. Forged BBS wheels, which are relatively light and actually look great and do not need to be changed. The first thing my sister did was swap out her hideous WRX wheels and it cost a couple of grand. Again, the money difference has already been made up for and I could go on and on. WRX wheels are trash. But wait, there's more: Controllable differential, controllable throttle response, increased HP, improved exhaust, improved exhaust note, Subie rumble (not available with the FA engine as the headers are equal length), two tone leather--the red on black looks great, red race style gauges, dual zone climate control, Round shifter boot (much nicer looking), Rev limiter indicator, Big ass wing or not (this is my first STi without the wing and I kind of miss it sometimes), superior badges, and very importantly, superior resale value. Some of the list is BS aesthetic crap, but this video seemed to focus on the least important reasons a STi costs more, and is a superior vehicle. The real reason 9/10 people will purchase a WRX instead of a STi is because they cannot afford the STi. And that is hard truth. If you drive them back to back there really is no comparison. The new STi RA just came out and it improves upon the current STi in several areas, the only reason I am not getting one is because I cannot afford it and my car is only a year old, so it makes no sense. But if money wasn't an issue, who wouldn't go for the STi RA? Also, I am not a complete fanboy of the STi, but I live in the northeast and the winters can be nasty, so all wheel drive is a must and there are really few options that give you the all wheel drive bang for your buck like a Sti, or a WRX for that matter. Lastly, I had a Hyper Blue edition STi and the engine blew at 4,000 miles, so there is one reason to maybe get a WRX, because it has the newer motor. It actually turned out to be bad rings and a lot of subies ended up with them in their EJs. Too bad too, because that was a pretty cool STi.
Ex-STI owner, i was debating both because i like to track but i also like to travel, and my verdict is if i want a track monster save money buy an older STI, if i want a comfortable DD WRX, the best of both worlds is the Evo.
Ive always said, I would buy a WRX over an STI. Unless you're tracking your car, you wont notice a huge difference between the two. Awesome video David.
You're drawing conclusions on the STI before actually driving the car the way it was intended to be driven - on the track. Regarding the EJ, yeah it has been around for long. That's a bad thing for those who don't plan on going down the mod rabbit hole, but a good thing for those who have big plans for their builds. Engine familiarity is important, which is why track enthusiasts prefer motors that have been around for a while (4g63, 2jz, rb26, k20 etc...) As a daily driver though, yeah you're pretty much spot on
AlexCell33 all street legal cars are "meant for the street", technically speaking. The STI is skewed towards those who do take their cars to the track. The absurd chassis stiffness is the #1 indicator of that.
Out of the box? Of course they're not track cars. Very few street legal cars can be driven off the showroom floor and onto the track, reliably. Even an M4 wouldn't last an track session with its stock pads and cooling system. This has probably been beaten to death, but they're fantastic platforms to work on. There's a reason you see them dominate mid-tier & high-tier time attack races, among others. I would not want to own this car in stock form. As a car you're gong to work towards making track-capable, you can do far worse than a VA STI. The steering, chassis, seating position, & aftermarket are all fantastic.
First review I’ve seen of yours that actually made me angry. I respect your opinion but the Sti is worth the extra money. It between the axles, diffs, transmission, engine that can actually be modded without blowing up and updated suspension it is completely worth the money. I have owned both a new wax and an Sti and the Sti is the one still in my garage.
jdm lover well with the evo we only got the 8,9, and 10. Two of which had the 4G and one the 4B. The difference is the we only had the 4G for 3 years and then we got a new engine for 7. We’ve had the ej for about 14 years now
The heavier hydraulic steering, more linear braking performance with the fixed calipers and ability to rapidly bleed off heat with more pad surface area, different suspension with firmer ride, heavier clutch, different transmission, firm Recaro seatback, very top-end biased power, sound differences, and ability to tighten the diff in low-traction situations radically differentiated the driving experience of the STI for me. The EJ25 is definitely a love-or-hate engine. IMO, it's definitely worth driving both before buying, and recognizing how the FA20F is going to be a little more playful at low-end and mid-end power, where the EJ257 feels like a 1990s rental car at very low-end, and then really comes alive and radically more exciting above 4500 RPM. I think the STI's current tires also gives it a bit of an edge over the OEM rubber on the WRX, although the V105G is still not quite comparable to the best max performance summer tires IMO (IIRC there is a Canadian STI trim that uses 18 inch wheels and the Dunlops previously used on STIs before the 19-inch wheel was introduced.) The steering-responsive LED headlights on all STI trims definitely makes benefits night driving quite a bit, and one thing that pushed me towards the STI was how they only offered this option on the highest WRX trim.
I went from a Fiesta st to a Legacy gt spec b... Don't like it too much, the motor is not that great and like you said bad gas mileage. But I do like the transmission.
Yeah, I went from my EJ25 to a LS3, huge difference, lmao. Honestly though, that sucks to hear you don't enjoy the spec b, I've always wished my NA legacy was a spec b. Maybe I'm not missing out on as much as I thought I was.
Leif Coopman yeah I feel you man, winters around here are pretty brutal and my Quattro makes it where many others can’t. What was it you didn’t like about the subie? I’ve thought about getting rid of my Audi for one but it would be nice to have some flaws to look for
My friend has an sti, so he bashes on my car, but everything you said in the video is why I went with the wrx. Plus, people who tuned the fa20 got more hp increase but with more reliability than the ej257. I hope subaru sees this video because the roast was spot on.
Somewhat true. I had a 17 wrx for a year & loved it for the most part. Test drove an sti & suddenly the wrx steering felt lacking, the throttle felt like it constantly went wot & the week long rev hang was super annoying. I feel like the suspension just as harsh with less performance & the top 2k rpm was always disappointing. The sti feels so much more analog & engaging. I do not regret trading in at all. I have heard after a tune the wrx was better to drive but why buy something for what it could be rather than what is
Great White Rabbit that would be near impossible i think in parralel as how would you make the crankshaft work? Also dont say 2 cranshafts because that would be rediculously heavy
I've asked plenty of people that went sti from the wrx how they felt. They all agreed that the sti is just more car and leaves the wrx feeling like it's missing something. Basically it's more car than the wrx. Also, you don't buy a sti for good gas mileage and a quiet ride.
I'm new to manual (6 months in), and I thought it was just me. I had such a hard time driving this thing when I first got the car. The clutch was so soft that I kept missing the engagement point. Sometimes I still struggle with balancing how much pressure I have to put on the clutch and gas before releasing the gas to start back up from a full stop.
Honestly though with the AWD and the power, the base model wrx at $25k is literally the best you can get. Call me a fanboy, gay, or whatever, i dont care. Its a good car, especially if you only can have one car and live where it snows.
After owning 2 STI's and one WRX, I grew tired of the ej25. Even after all the tuning and modding, I found my self going down the same road every subie owners goes down. I got a car with a high revving V8. My e92 M3 DCT has given me so much joy, yes even more than the subies. It's a better daily and a better canyon Carver!
I bought a new WRX in April of 2002. After grenading the trans, having it fixed at a dealer then having more trans issues I bought a STi 6 speed. I will say out of all the mods I have made to my car the best and most enjoyable is the STi 6 speed. The closer gear ratios make taking corners in 2nd gear better cause 2nd gear in the 5 speed was to tall. Also having that LSD in the front and better center diff pulls the car hard out of corners. I would consider that a major difference that is worth the extra money.
I owned a 2015 WRX. I currently own a 2017 STI. Acceleration feels the same in every day driving. It's only when you push them hard do you really notice a difference. STI is stiffer. WRX gets much getter fuel economy. I've loved them both. Short term, I think the WRX is a better buy. Long term, the STI will hold up better over time.
Disagree with the comments on the BRZ. I just wish people would understand the concept of the BRZ was to provide a entry level RWD chassis for road racing and autocross. Hell the SCCA just started a spec class based off of the BRZ/86 platform and that should just be the end of the conversation on the whole shitty argument that the "brz/86 needs more power".
I own an Evo and am a die hard Evo fanboy, BUUUTTT there is so many more reasons to go STi over WRX than just the seats and differentials. There’s 1) differentials 2)resale value 3)transmission 4)factory brembos 5)hydraulic steering 6)shifter/clutch feel 7)better stock suspension However the ej25 does need to be updated, but when it does get updated you’re going to get the typical “it’s not an STi anymore” group of people just like you did with the Evo when Mitsu went to the 4B11
The sti has a better motor transmission different suspension different tires and better diff, there's nothing wrong with the wrx but sti is a different car.
I recently drove both. Very underwheelemd with the wrx. Was so disappointed. Expected to get let down by the STI. But I loved that car. It pull so much harder. Handled so much better. Everything just felt better in that car.
@ HingleMcCringleBerry videos like this will lead to misinformation and people expecting to be "let down by STI". In fact I read it all the time exactly what you said, STI is much better driving experience, no comparison. That's why this STI roast video is so inaccurate.
I looked long and hard between the current gen WRX and STi, and the main reason i chose the STi was for the drive line, it had LSDs front, centre and rear. My car is daily driven and it sees up to 6 track days a year so i liked the fact that i didnt need to buy after market LSDs and get STi brakes for the car.
I agree with this review of the current WRX over STI. With one exception. The drive train is completely different. The WRX no longer has factory LSD differentials and relies on traction control to maintain grip, while the STI has mechanical differentials. That is the huge difference. For track or aggressive driving the STI is still the way to go. For daily driving, and occasional track days, the WRX will suite most people.
Subaru may have released the S208 limited edition in Japan with their JDM exclusive EJ20 producing 324hp but they've lost their ways. In Japan, they had to recall most of their cars due to their quality-control inspection scandal this year. Also Subaru announced today that they will stop selling the WRX STI in Europe as well as UK markets (no WRXs here). The Collin McRae days it is not now.
+Markez Singltary Yeah it sucks doesn't it. Because Mitsubishi didn't release an EVO XI and axed the EVO series, it didn't encourage Subaru to improve on its STIs much. 10-15 years ago, the Mk 1 Focus RS, Audi S3, BMW 130i, Golf R32 etc were slower cars than EVOs + STIs. But now the MK3 Focus RS, Audi S3, BMW M140i and MK7 Golf Rs are just as fast, if not faster than the EVOs + STIs
+SubZero Not true. Go to the S208 page on the subaru japan website. STI have continued to use the handbuilt EJ20 with upgraded internals for the S207 + S208. In japan, you can get a WRX S4 (stolen the name from audi) and it features a 300hp version of the FA20DIT but with CVT transmission
Yaaaay my car. Also, completely agree with everything you said. For WAY less you're getting the same thing as the STI, minus the Brembos, Wing, Engine and Diffs. You can't deny the EJ of it's glory but the new FA20 is just so good with a turbo attached to it. Also, you cant act like you cant just add an intake, full exhaust and a tune and make 300AWHP for way less than an STI still haha
Marco, only a limited number of the MK6 was imported into the US and the MK7 has only been around since the end of 2015 with something like 500 cars for the first year. 2016+ they are importing a lot more but they are still less popular than the Focus RS, WRX STI and Civic Type R, probably because they don't look crazy (which Golf R owners love).
I couldn't agree with this more. I have a 2017 wrx and with a tune the car becomes so much better than an STI and will make more power. I wanted the BRZ but really wanted to step into the turbo world this for this car. With an exhaust the FA sounds great and pops like crazy!
You failed to mention that the STI also keeps the unequal length headers which the standard WRX loses along with the boxer rumble. The STI also retains hydraulic steering while the WRX goes with the less precise electric power steering.
Considering that equal length headers will have a performance benefit over UEL, i'd say that the WRX gains EL headers, rather than loses UEL headers. Unless you really want the sound there's no reason to use UEL headers apart from packaging.
I was dead set on getting an sti. Honestly didn't care what year but wide said it has to be the new model. Picked up a 2015 limited sti for $30,500 and I couldn't be happier. I bought it as a commuter car for the wife and I get 26-28 pretty steady on the highway. Beats the shit out of my tundra which gets 11 on a good day. It all comes down to personal preference and what the buyer wants🤷♂️
The STI used to be the better car back when the WRX used the old 5-Speed, but it's nice to know the gap is closing in between them. Still, the brake package on the STI adds a lot of value.
I think everyone is ready for a change from the ej257. It’s a decent engine but we’re ready for a timing chain like the fa20. People are terrified that they wouldn’t be a Subaru, the only thing they’d have to do is engineer an unequal length header with a single scroll turbo like before. Easy peasy
I used to won 14 evo x now as dad with 1 kid is a bit hard to live in day to day with it. I traded for an suv but i i am getting another fun car wrx it is. Base AF save ur $$$ for upgrades.
Also heres my theory. Subaru knows they have made a massive fan base with the WRX/STi, but they want to move on to something else without commiting sales suicide by ending the line all together. So they take the car, lower MPG, keep the same horsepower, etc. To make people want to go get the BRZ. Just a theory
I live in Russia and drive BRZ. Buy this BRZ in New Jersey, have 14.5 mpg, on straight exhaust, with porting of heads, fuel pump, and injections. Fuel mapping is done.
Chris Pearaon the Evo died because Mitsubishi motor co failed. The 4b11t is actually an excellent motor and people are making crazy power from the stock bottom end. It just took a few years to get it figured out. The 4g63 had been around along time and was a proven platform. Both great. Sti and wrx are both also awesome!
Look at it this way, the crossover trend and other trends for SUV's will be changed in the next generation since so much of us growing up now love sports cars more than the last generation did.
I have a 2018 WRX and I completely agree! The main complaints I have are with the factory tune, specifically with the rev hang in between 1st and 2nd. Other than that I absolutely love it!
I'm also at 320wtq with a protune on 91 octane. tgv/egr deletes, charge pipe, 3 port ebcs, muffler delete axle-back stock catback with downpipe. Stock clutch with no transmission issues. So I guess the wrx is worth it since the transmission won't blow after a few bolt-ons and a tune..
This isn't a pre-2015 5 speed WRX, the 6 speed in the new ones is very similar to the legendary STi 6 speed, the gearing is just tweaked a little. In other words, they're bullet proof.
I think it’s funny how everyone complains about Subaru using the same motor for a long time but no one complains about Chevy using the ls motors for as long as they did......plain and simple if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, the EJ25 has been a proven motor for Subaru.
There hasn't been much progress (1994 sti made 280, 2018 sti makes 305 hp) look at the mustang gt in 1994 the mustang gt made 215 now in 2018 it makes 460 horsepower. Yes horsepower is not everything but the car stayed pretty much the same for good or for bad but there always has to be hp bumps so the car doesn't fall off in performance
The Sti is better if you’re going for a serious build, the ej25 has been proven to make over 1000hp while the FA hasn’t gotten anywhere close. Yes the wrx is the better daily but the STI still is the faster and better car. Subaru does need to come out with something new to compete with the RS though.
"Subaru does need to come out with something new to compete with the RS though." Like an engine whose head gasket will actually hold beyond 10,000 miles.
You fail to mention the transmission is way stronger, shifter and clutch feel like a sportscar not vague and most importantly it has hydrolic steering. Long story short if you do track days you immediately notice the difference between these cars. People listen to you... Get your shit straight
They won't turbo the FRS, because of the history behind it. The OG Toyota ae 86 was naturally aspirated. So the new Toyota 86 stayed naturally aspirated. And if they made an STI, I don't think Toyota would sell an STI, so it would only be available in a Subaru, and that would really hurt Toyota sales
If it works then don’t change it. Btw Subaru’s are way different after the break in period. They limit power and throttle response during the break in.
If that were the case, the American cars would still come with the same small block 350's but even American manufacturers have advanced. Imagine if the 2018 corvette still had the same LS1.
My WRX Channel the 350 small block uses quality metal and heavy parts. You can just tell where they took out the metal in the Ls engines and “improved the design”.
Your totally missing what makes the STI a more special car. It's not just about a motor. It's about the trans, brakes, suspension, steering, and most importantly the vastly superior differentials all around. Oh, and the sound... love the ej sound. The overall effect is a more raw feeling, high strung, analog car. Sure, it makes a pretty lousy city run-about, but it makes for an amazingly fun instrument of irresponsible behavior. For the price delta, you can't turn a WRX into an STI. So no, it's not just a difference of 3 letters. It's a different type of man-machine interaction.
Mate the EJ25 is a awesome motor. Well the headers r. A rexie not having the sound is like a V8 sounding like a 4 cylinder. A Rotary sounding like a EVO. NO one can understate what the sound means to people. To be honest I would of loved a larger capacity like EJ28 or whatever It's like Mazda had the 10A then 12A than 13B, 20B etc for the rotary
The feeling of power youre talking about... is torque, sti isnt twin scroll so torque is up high, twin scroll has torque low then stays there so you dont feel much change but it is pushing
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To be fair I'd like to add the STI Transmission is a BEAST!
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ThatDudeinBlue don't tell me to just buy things. I impulse buy.
2003 STI- 300hp
2017 STI- 305hp
That’s what I call progress.
reese c 😂😂😂😂
reese c honestly tho look at the sales comparison of those two years.
2019 Subaru STI RA - 306hp!
(nevermind that it’s 20k over the normal STI)
peter2011tc the ra has 310 hp lmao 😂
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First, the heads, fuel delivery and pistons are different on the BRZ/FRS motor vs the WRX. This gives it a higher compression ratio as well.
Secondly, I'm with you that the WRX is a better buy, but the STI isn't the same except the engine.
The WRX and STI share the exact same chassis and sway bars. The extra cost of the STI is in the suspension, transmission, axles, limited slip and driver controlled differentials (3 differentials in each car, by the way), steering rack, interior, and the engine.
The STI drivetrain is still one of the most stout and advanced in the world.
BUT, I did the math recently in a discussion online and for the 30% extra you spend on an STI vs the 5-10% extra performance isn't worth it, on top of the fuel mileage difference.
Previously, the STI was worth it, but with the VA chassis, not so much.
The WRX starts at $26,695 MSRP.
The STi starts at $35,195 MSRP.
The STi is 31.8% more expensive, starting out, vs the WRX.
If you take an average of the aggregate of the 1/4 mile and 0-60 times from all major automotive publications since the 2015 MY:
The WRX is 5.35 seconds to 60mph.
The STi is 4.92 seconds to 60mph.
The STi is 8.74% faster to 60mph.
The WRX does the 1/4 mile in 13.94 seconds @ 98.91mph
The STi does the 1/4 mile in 13.433 seoncds @ 103.04mph
The STi is 3.77% seconds and 4.18% mph faster in the 1/4 mile.
On Car and Driver's Lightning Lap at VIR:
WRX posted a time of 3:15.5
STi Posted a time of 3:10.5
The STi was 2.62% faster.
On Motor Trend's Streets of Willow, driven by the legendary Randy Probst:
WRX posted a time of 1:27.33
STi posted a time of 1:26.12
The STi was 1.41% faster.
Having been an owner of an STi in the past, I will agree it is a better "driving experience" as far as "feel" goes.
I prefer the FA20 powered WRX. It has much more usable torque thanks to it's twin-scroll turbo, and flatter power curve.
Strictly from a statistical, logical point of view, the WRX is a better option with this generation. I don't think that $10,000 more is worth it for the STi now.
@Colin Delabastide you missed the point by a lot, I guess.
WRX is a better value stock for stock.
@@righteousfire885 he acknowledges the stock argument at the start of his comment and then goes on to make your points /nerd novel completely void and obsolete. STI will always be superior & if you want economy Maybe don’t buy a awd turbo performance car. 🤙🏻
Here is where the extra money goes for STI:
1) Bigger Engine
2) C.DIFF + 2 LSD
3) Brembos
4) Bigger wheels
5) Hydrolic Steering
6) Close Ratio Gearbox
7) Throttle Maps
8) Wing
This video was very biased
The wrx has better gear ratios, the 0-60 times are almost identical lmao
CyberrJunky yeah I get the feeling dudeinblue does not really do any research prior to shooting these videos. I am not a subaru owner or fan, yet I know there are always three diffs in a permanent 4x4 car, as opposed to dudeinblue who says there are only two.
Thatdudeinblue is very talented and knows how to describe emotions while driving. He tells you how a car feels and what sort of "personality" it has. When it comes to technical talk such as drivetrain/suspension knowledge, I am led to believe, he simply talks to the owner a bit and then simply shoots a video. A brave move, but I can't see him doing that for an extended period of time. His fanbase is huge and I am afraid many if not most of his subscribers have outgrown him in understanding of the technical side of things. The question is, whether the narrative about car's personality is enough for such people to find his videos interesting and keep viewing them in the future.
Suspension and interior as well. Don't forget STI badges everywhere too!
The 2018 has a c diff it’s just not controllable by the driver. It splits the torque automatically based on wheel slip. The wrx does need some limited slips though.
The reason they don't turbo the BRZ is probably because of some agreement between Toyota and Subaru. If they were to make an STI version it would severely hurt FRS sales.
Falafel the frs is dead though, so is scion.
Scion doesn’t exist lol. They don’t turbo it because then it would take away from wrx/sti sales and some would settle for the 300hp 86 instead of getting toyotas new supra.
Devin Stambolziovski Gt86 then, make the leap. It would take away from those sales but it would also take away from Toyota's and there was probably an agreement between Subaru and Toyota when they built the car that there would be no STI version
Honestly the reason I believe brz and gt86 won’t get a turbo is to keep it like the ae86, NA and from my understanding high rpm range. Unless they decide to make a track edition type thing because the chassis for the twins is really good.
I mean they could make a turbo STI/TRD and fix the current problems of the BRZ while also adding some more horsepower (280-ish) and more torque
adding tiny extra aero bits and pieces would also be really nice
The STi needs a revamped EJ with 350hp now (cough, Porsche 4 cylinder, cough)
That's a damn good comparison!
This is coming from someone with a built motor 2007 STi as well, you have to be able to admit the car's flaws!
EJ30
Mathew Long so you can replace the piston rings for dayz.
@thatsubieguy. They had the ez30
I own a 2017 WRX, and it's simply about the owner. You get a good value for both cars IF you want a quick fun daily driver (WRX) or a track racer (STI). Both cars are amazing on their own right, and they're actually much different (transmission, brakes, suspension all adds up, not just the engine.)
For me just wasn't worth it the extra cash for the STI because I don't do track, but that's it. I'd get an STI if it was cheaper for sure hahaha!
Is the sti worth the extra money YES. But the real question is, is it worth it to the person driving it. It's that simple. As a sti owner I can honestly say the wrx is better for the vast majority of people but if you need or want the trans diffs brakes and hydraulic steering etc the sti is worth the extra money
joseph mitchell Got the 2018 STI a few days ago and I completely agree. The WRX vs STI depends on the buyer and what they're looking for.
joseph mitchell amen to that
Subie rumble and driver. Ive had both and i love the sti way more
It’s the satisfaction of driving the top of the line Subaru with the huge wing, makes ya feel good whether it’s better or worse.
^ this man knows whats up
David, sorry you really don't know what you're talking about. First off the FA20 in the BRZ and WRX are different. The former has port injection and direct injection, better flowing heads and different pistons. Secondly the STI has a much better feeling trans with a mechanical linkage and better gearing, better not open diffs, bigger brakes, and a better steering ratio. You're seriously over generalizing just saying they're basically the same.
No the STI still has an old port injected ej25. I'm saying the FA20 in the BRZ and the FA20 in the WRX are not just different because one has a turbo. The BRZ has both port and direct while the WRX is strictly direct injection. There's a bunch of other small differences that add up.
Why don't USDM wrxs come with a LSD? Australian/Jdm spec models have it installed from factory.
Not the first time he goes into a video having done absolutely zero actual research.
They got rid of it a few years back on USDM models, with the idea that traction control (software) would make it not necessary. Guess what, adding LSD is more popular on WRX's than ever!
Let's not forget about the suspension set up
My main complaint is they Blow up to much, Had a STi and EVO both. The EVO is much better unless your leaving the Subie stock.
Spend 20k on a Subaru get 400whp
Spend 20k on a EVO get 800-1000whp
JD JoyrideTV lol. I wanted to get a new wrx but didn't want the hassle of dealing with something like that. Knowing my luck that shit will blow up on me
yeah thats true had many scoobys now I got a evo 8 its easier to tune.
J Rod my STi went through 4 builds and sold it right after the last build...I was done.
The 2.5l blows up all the time. The 2.0l if fine. The 2.2l is best with close deck.
I've never spent 15k on a build for a Subaru that made over 700whp seems like you were ripped off. I also built my evo 9 I'm around 16k in that and just shy of 900whp. I will say the evo has a far superior head designe
If your going for a high horse power build then the Sti is the choice. The Fa20 wrx is great for a daily driver "stage 2" makes the car a blast day to day. Once you go beyond "Stage 2" you run into fueling issues thanks to the direct injection. Having to supplement fueling becomes the issue. Such as doing port injection running a piggy back to control it. I am running a Aquamist methanol kit with four nozzles into the intake manifold. The low end power is amazing in the Wrx thanks to the twin scroll but once you start making power you have to tune the power band for after 3krpms. Since the car makes so much torque down low it can cause the rods to bend. Like I said if you want Huge power numbers get the STI, but if you want a fun daily driver the new Wrx is the way to go. I know one thing though if Subaru doesn't WOW us all with the new FA2.4 they will start to lose their fan base. (I'm talking atleast 380hp) Let's also hope the new FA2.4 has port and direct injection built in like the Brz does. Rant over
Brian Horton THIS!!!! 🙌🏼
What are you talking about? Did they change the BRZ/Toyota86 platform? It's always been a NA car, not port/direct injection.
Christian Keene what
d-4s dual injection has always been in the Brz/86
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I have a 2015 WRX with 66k OG miles on everything nothing has been touched other than normal oil changes and air filters. The car runs beautiful and it’s a blast to drive. I average 23-28mpg even getting on it. I can get around 350-400 miles to a tank of gas. It’s the base model I do wish it had better headlights and and wheels but that will come eventually. Nice video! I do think the STI is worth it in a sense over the WRX, but then again heck with the old EJ motor, the FA seems more reliable and better gas mileage.
DCCD, steering, transmission, diff, braking system, clutch, suspension and don't forget the wing lol. You can't compare an interior of a 18 wrx to a 15 STI because it's been upgraded every year.
A lex ^^this guy know whats up
Thank you! David just talks about DD things and forgets the biggest differences. The wrx is a better DD. The STI is a better car to have as a track car.
No difference in suspension between 2018 sti and 2018 wrx. That was the upgrade for 2018 wrx. And better steering, also the transmission was made better for 2018. Not huge differences to compare to the sti but still slightly better whilst the sti is the same as 2015, except for interior, wheels and brakes, 4 pot to 6 pot. Seems like their possibly gonna put the fa20 in the 2020 sti just overbuilt like the prior sti/wrx generations with the ej255 vs ej257.
Unless something changed, the 6-speed in the STI is significantly stronger than the one in the WRX. Completely different unit, not even counting the DCCD. The wrx should have a weaksauce viscous center differential, just like "normal" manual trans subarus.
Actually the wing is a option on the wrx’s now lol.
i find funny Subaru accidentally built a car so good its hurting their flag ship
Subaru never built a good car...
@@spool-aid6750 this is one of many...
@@spool-aid6750 says guy driving a mustang
I get why most people prefer the wrx, from pricing, the lower end torque, corners well for what you get, etc. with that being said I went with the STI for that glorious UEL sound, the much better transmission, brembo brakes, and to me personally, I kind of like the top end power and the drama the turbo lag gives you when it just smacks you in the face. To each their own though. I do agree Subaru needs to get their shit together though and should have put a new engine in their STI years ago, and the STI price shouldn’t be so expensive either.
Put a tune in it and you are good to go especially at stage 2. The 2.0 FTW all the way, gas mileage superior. Loving mine at stage 2 and nearing 50k
Turbo lag is a bad thing. If you like it, good for you. But less turbo lag is always better. EJ25 has so much turbo lag because it is an outdated engine. I loved the engine in the '05 STi I used to own. Would I want the same damn engine 13 years later? No thanks.
High Regulations and higher taxes in Japan .growing the state pushes up business costs private sector
14mpg is BS. I drive my STI in London daily in its morning and evening traffics and I get 20mpg, and I don't drive it like a grandpa as well. And guys, FFS, you don't buy sports car and then moan about the MPG. Those who do moan about it either moan about everything, or just went over their budget and thought that car's price ends when you just pay for the car. David, you have this smiles per gallon campaign going with available sticker to buy. First thing I did when I got myself an STI was got that sticker and put it on my car so that whenever I am asked how much it drinks I just point to the sticker and walk away. And all of you asking Subaru for newer things, aren't you the ones who always moan about how cars these days are going automatic, how they feel heavier, how there is no feel of the road in steering rack, how there is no handbreak anymore, yada yada yada. And here comes Subaru and gives you pure raw drivers car in STI. Manual, handbreak in place, mechanical diff(which is awesome), one of the best steering racks. Basically all the things you lot are moaning about in modern car Subaru avoids and keeps it old school. Old engine? There is a reason its still there (excluding development costs of new engine obviously :D), because of unequal length headers and its rumble. New WRX sounds just like any other 4 cyl car, so all of the Subaru fans moan about it, that Subaru lost it, this and that.
And David, what is this BS about other cars available for the same price as STI? Few videos ago you yourself talked about the Ford RS dealer mark ups in US. And offering VW Golf R if kinda blasphemy, since Golf R is kinda meh. And two wheel drive civic? Yeah, my wallet would love me for tyre changing marathon every half a year. I was changing tyres for my scirocco 1.4 TSI every year, and here comes 300+ horses (double of scirocco) front wheel drive civic. Yeah.
So either way, suggesting WRX over STI is kinda stupid. If you have money for STI, get an STI, you won't regret it. If you don't have money for STI, get WRX, the soul of Subaru is kinda still there.
P.S. I'm talking here from UK point of view. Subaru discontinued STI in UK and if I see a Subaru on the road in London its like xmas for me. If I see Ford RS here, its just another Ford, if I see Golf R, its just another Golf. I never seen people stare at any golf R or RS on the street as much as they look at my car. And we can always ignore all this and mention one reason why you need to get Subaru: community or in other words family ;)
muziqaz you got it right bro
muziqaz don't you guys have the 207?
Focus rs is selling all day fully optioned 39-41k same exact price as a sti and even the limited. And pretty much the golf r fully optioned is the same price. It’s just a smack in the face when ford releases a better awd platform than the sti (proven) the motor in the RS mod for mod is light years ahead of the sti, the golf r smacks the shit out of the sti interior and has the dsg trans making it a mini gtr. And then you have the same basically the exact same fucking Subaru engine that’s been in the sti for pretty much 10 years. It’s time for a change and that’s what David is saying if you guys are happy with 305 hp that most sedans are coming standard with then by all means have fun racing mini vans and sedans.
POW ER RANGR Lopez So true!!
muziqaz I'm getting 15.4 lol wot constantly
When subaru finally change for a new engine lot of you fans few years from now will be like "I liked the previous engine" "why did Subaru came with a new engine, if it was reliable"
Or some stupid sht like that
Agree
For me, its about more then just your moneys worth. Growing up in the country in oregon, we drove alot of of 70s and 80s subarus. I used to hoon them around on gravel roads for fun. Then in 2002 when i was 13 i found out about the STI and i said one day id own one. I own the 2017 STI right now and honestly i couldnt be happier. For me its about a dream.
Subaru needs to make an FA25. Put the NA one in the BRZ with like 230HP/190TQ, put a lower spec turbo one in the WRX with like 300HP/TQ, go balls deep with the STI and go for 400HP/TQ
tankd0g Subaru is one of the fastest growing and profitable brands.
There's a 2.4L FA-based engine coming in the upcoming Subaru Ascent that people are speculating might be the next STI engine.
You pretty much nailed it on the head I love my 2019 WRX and I'm glad I picked it over the STI the motor is more up-to-date and can pull just as many horses or be just as quick as the STI with just a few mods and a stage 1 or 2 tune. It is a way more comfortable ride for a daily driver as well.
The wing YOU FORGOT THE COOL FREAKING WING lol
Daniel Po hate that thing period, I am onboard w your comment, lol
My brz was 265 with a few simple mods and a tune to the intake and exhaust. 3.5inch overpipe straight out behind the front tire. Turbo was next just fate had other plans. Loved my brz, handles great and drive very nice. I'd own another, I agree with them needing STI. My brz started at 4250 and peaked at 7800 hell of a power band. It was nice just needed that tight spooling Turbo and would have been a perfect car.
I can hear the rev hang in this review. I have a 2017 and can say that after a tune from Cobb this car is wayyyy better. After a protune and some bolt ons like I have, it's even better.
Thank you for hitting up on the 6-spd. Though, like I did, buying a WRX and swapping in the 6-spd is much cheaper.
Yes, Mitsubishi did change engines, but now look where it is. Also, with there finally being a billet EJ I wouldn't expect the platform to disappear any time soon.
EJ engines don't go boom just because. They go boom either from idiocy, assembly error or someone is making insane power (and like any engine, making much more than engineered power will shorten the life of it).
14 mpg? No way! I own a sti and that’s not true. He must drive like a maniac.
For real, he must be constantly redlining it or something 😂. I average 19 and still push it a good amount of times. Still not great mpg but better than 14 lol
Don’t stress it this is all opinionated... there is not statistical evidence with these claims.
forreal. I get 21 mpg in my stock 16 sti.
You ain't driving it right, if you get over 20mpg... just sayin
Cobb AP as well as some tuners will offer economy tunes to switch to for long trips that can get you closer to 23-28mpg.
Honestly this dude in blue review is revealing why he isn't getting as much traffic on his channel. Don't piss off your audience with BS it's my first time at a car meet Honda forum conjecture.
I honestly do prefer the WRX because it’s the same as the STI except for the engine like you said and the best thing about the WRX is that it can do everything like the STI with a little nudge! I can carry family and stuff, still tune it, drive a 6 speed, look the same (without the wing and badges)!
I disagree that the cars are that close. I have owned a WRX and 3 STis. I currently have a 2017 STi limited and my Sister has a 2018 WRX limited, so I am able to make a direct comparison as well. Our cars are about $12,000.00 different in price and they are both the highest level package for each car. So, what is different, and is it worth $12,000.00 to go between models?
1. The transmission. They are both six speeds, but the WRX transmission feels like absolute trash compared to the STi. The STi's reinforced, close ratio transmission feels tight and responsive and overall bulletproof. We both have the Short throw as well and hers feels like a sloppy mess, just like my 2011 WRX's transmission did. So, would you pay a thousand dollars (or two) for an upgraded transmission? I surely would, as it is one of the most important aspects of your car. And don't get me started on the nasty rev-hang in the WRX,
2. Brembos. It will cost you between 3 and 7 thousand dollars for a Brembo upgrade, and that is if you buy the part and install them yourself. If you have driven a car with Brembos then you know that they destroy the standard brakes on a WRX. So, we have already almost covered the price gap. This is also something that was standard on the Evo. NOTE: I have driven EVOs as well and I really like them and almost purchased the Final Edition, but they felt stripped out compared to the STI and it was a lot more money and had been sitting on the lot since 2015. If they bring them back I am all about buying either car.
3. Suspension/body stiffness. The suspension/stiffness on the STi makes the WRX feel like a marshmallow in a tight turn. Not to mention the steering feel is completely different. When you drive them back to back you feel a night and day difference. And the new electronic steering on the WRX takes away from the feel dramatically. Give me assisted rack and pinion any day. I really hope they do not add that crap steering to the STi. Anyway, how much would it cost to upgrade the WRX's suspension/body stiffness to match the STi? I guarantee it would not be cheap. NOTE: The STi is a rough ride, so if you are a man bitch or have back problems, this may be an issue.
3. Forged BBS wheels, which are relatively light and actually look great and do not need to be changed. The first thing my sister did was swap out her hideous WRX wheels and it cost a couple of grand. Again, the money difference has already been made up for and I could go on and on. WRX wheels are trash.
But wait, there's more: Controllable differential, controllable throttle response, increased HP, improved exhaust, improved exhaust note, Subie rumble (not available with the FA engine as the headers are equal length), two tone leather--the red on black looks great, red race style gauges, dual zone climate control, Round shifter boot (much nicer looking), Rev limiter indicator, Big ass wing or not (this is my first STi without the wing and I kind of miss it sometimes), superior badges, and very importantly, superior resale value.
Some of the list is BS aesthetic crap, but this video seemed to focus on the least important reasons a STi costs more, and is a superior vehicle. The real reason 9/10 people will purchase a WRX instead of a STi is because they cannot afford the STi. And that is hard truth. If you drive them back to back there really is no comparison. The new STi RA just came out and it improves upon the current STi in several areas, the only reason I am not getting one is because I cannot afford it and my car is only a year old, so it makes no sense. But if money wasn't an issue, who wouldn't go for the STi RA?
Also, I am not a complete fanboy of the STi, but I live in the northeast and the winters can be nasty, so all wheel drive is a must and there are really few options that give you the all wheel drive bang for your buck like a Sti, or a WRX for that matter.
Lastly, I had a Hyper Blue edition STi and the engine blew at 4,000 miles, so there is one reason to maybe get a WRX, because it has the newer motor. It actually turned out to be bad rings and a lot of subies ended up with them in their EJs. Too bad too, because that was a pretty cool STi.
David the type of dude to the call the guy he met 5 minutes ago to review his car a friend..
The 2015+ sti come with a better ratio steering rack, all diffs are limited slip, plus the diffs are adjustable, better transmission, better brakes!
EXACTLY. It's so much more of a car than he acknowledges. I want a 2018+ STI..I want them 6-pots.
Ex-STI owner, i was debating both because i like to track but i also like to travel, and my verdict is if i want a track monster save money buy an older STI, if i want a comfortable DD WRX, the best of both worlds is the Evo.
22B is best Subaru.
Jetstream Z which Subaru is best Subaru
Josh Frank My Subaru is best cause vaping sticker
Jetstream Z if not the best car ever lmao
My Subaru isn’t best Subaru because headlights don’t go up, headlights don’t go down.
Jetstream Z STI spec C type RA-R is the best one. 22b is the best looking
Ive always said, I would buy a WRX over an STI. Unless you're tracking your car, you wont notice a huge difference between the two. Awesome video David.
You're drawing conclusions on the STI before actually driving the car the way it was intended to be driven - on the track. Regarding the EJ, yeah it has been around for long. That's a bad thing for those who don't plan on going down the mod rabbit hole, but a good thing for those who have big plans for their builds. Engine familiarity is important, which is why track enthusiasts prefer motors that have been around for a while (4g63, 2jz, rb26, k20 etc...)
As a daily driver though, yeah you're pretty much spot on
Wassim M an STI is not a track car, it’s an entry level performance sedan meant for the street.
Wassim M I prefer to see it in Rally tbh but that’s just me
AlexCell33 all street legal cars are "meant for the street", technically speaking. The STI is skewed towards those who do take their cars to the track. The absurd chassis stiffness is the #1 indicator of that.
Let’s be real STI’s are not track cars. Yeah people take them to the track and they’re plenty quick but it’s not like it’s an Ariel atom.
Out of the box? Of course they're not track cars. Very few street legal cars can be driven off the showroom floor and onto the track, reliably. Even an M4 wouldn't last an track session with its stock pads and cooling system. This has probably been beaten to death, but they're fantastic platforms to work on. There's a reason you see them dominate mid-tier & high-tier time attack races, among others.
I would not want to own this car in stock form. As a car you're gong to work towards making track-capable, you can do far worse than a VA STI. The steering, chassis, seating position, & aftermarket are all fantastic.
I love my rex, it rips . I have no regrets especially going fbo. Headers sound so deep. Spool sound even more noticeable. It’s great
First review I’ve seen of yours that actually made me angry. I respect your opinion but the Sti is worth the extra money. It between the axles, diffs, transmission, engine that can actually be modded without blowing up and updated suspension it is completely worth the money. I have owned both a new wax and an Sti and the Sti is the one still in my garage.
Thats the question I always wanted somebody to answer Thaaanks David !!!!
So evo guy, it’s ok to Mitsubishi to have the same engine for 9 gens but not for Subaru to have it for 6 gens?
jdm lover yup yup yup
xxnissansilviaxx the evo motor doesn't blow up as easy
Probably because the 4g63 lasted longer than a couple months of abuse.
jdm lover well with the evo we only got the 8,9, and 10. Two of which had the 4G and one the 4B. The difference is the we only had the 4G for 3 years and then we got a new engine for 7. We’ve had the ej for about 14 years now
4G63s came in the mitsubishi eclipse from 1990 to 1999. It was also used in the galant VR4 from 1987 to 1992.
The heavier hydraulic steering, more linear braking performance with the fixed calipers and ability to rapidly bleed off heat with more pad surface area, different suspension with firmer ride, heavier clutch, different transmission, firm Recaro seatback, very top-end biased power, sound differences, and ability to tighten the diff in low-traction situations radically differentiated the driving experience of the STI for me. The EJ25 is definitely a love-or-hate engine. IMO, it's definitely worth driving both before buying, and recognizing how the FA20F is going to be a little more playful at low-end and mid-end power, where the EJ257 feels like a 1990s rental car at very low-end, and then really comes alive and radically more exciting above 4500 RPM. I think the STI's current tires also gives it a bit of an edge over the OEM rubber on the WRX, although the V105G is still not quite comparable to the best max performance summer tires IMO (IIRC there is a Canadian STI trim that uses 18 inch wheels and the Dunlops previously used on STIs before the 19-inch wheel was introduced.) The steering-responsive LED headlights on all STI trims definitely makes benefits night driving quite a bit, and one thing that pushed me towards the STI was how they only offered this option on the highest WRX trim.
The STI is just outdated. Needs a refresh
That's the main issue in my eyes, it's not a bad car but like you said- refresh.
ThatDudeinBlue 25 years and the same car. Definitely can agree. And im a subie fan boy
what you get w an sti: larger displacement, bigger intercooler, better turbo, more boost, lsd, better trans, better interior, wing, brembos
I went from a Fiesta st to a Legacy gt spec b... Don't like it too much, the motor is not that great and like you said bad gas mileage. But I do like the transmission.
Leif Coopman shoulda kept the FiST :(
Yeah, I went from my EJ25 to a LS3, huge difference, lmao.
Honestly though, that sucks to hear you don't enjoy the spec b, I've always wished my NA legacy was a spec b. Maybe I'm not missing out on as much as I thought I was.
Hurt Cobain I needed a AWD car for winter....
James Golen it's a good car, don't get me wrong, but coming from a Fiesta st it was a little bit of a step down.
Leif Coopman yeah I feel you man, winters around here are pretty brutal and my Quattro makes it where many others can’t. What was it you didn’t like about the subie? I’ve thought about getting rid of my Audi for one but it would be nice to have some flaws to look for
My friend has an sti, so he bashes on my car, but everything you said in the video is why I went with the wrx. Plus, people who tuned the fa20 got more hp increase but with more reliability than the ej257. I hope subaru sees this video because the roast was spot on.
With a tune my wrx became fast then a stock sti for less money, and more reliability.
malkionx it’s not all about power you know.
It’s ALL about power
Well with a tune then the STI would be better then the wrx
Boonie Vang but still be way more money and the amount you can tune a stock hard part sti is less then a wrx
In a straight line? straight line racing is boring, get on a track mate.
Somewhat true. I had a 17 wrx for a year & loved it for the most part. Test drove an sti & suddenly the wrx steering felt lacking, the throttle felt like it constantly went wot & the week long rev hang was super annoying. I feel like the suspension just as harsh with less performance & the top 2k rpm was always disappointing. The sti feels so much more analog & engaging. I do not regret trading in at all. I have heard after a tune the wrx was better to drive but why buy something for what it could be rather than what is
I just realized why they call it a Boxer engine. The 2 pistons on each side are like a boxer's fists boxing.
That's right!
Tony Pitts lol
You're right! Keep learning and expand your knowledge, there's so many different engines out there😄
That would be a star configuration. Just like plane engines.
Great White Rabbit that would be near impossible i think in parralel as how would you make the crankshaft work? Also dont say 2 cranshafts because that would be rediculously heavy
I've asked plenty of people that went sti from the wrx how they felt. They all agreed that the sti is just more car and leaves the wrx feeling like it's missing something. Basically it's more car than the wrx.
Also, you don't buy a sti for good gas mileage and a quiet ride.
I'm new to manual (6 months in), and I thought it was just me. I had such a hard time driving this thing when I first got the car. The clutch was so soft that I kept missing the engagement point. Sometimes I still struggle with balancing how much pressure I have to put on the clutch and gas before releasing the gas to start back up from a full stop.
Honestly though with the AWD and the power, the base model wrx at $25k is literally the best you can get. Call me a fanboy, gay, or whatever, i dont care. Its a good car, especially if you only can have one car and live where it snows.
Where the integra vids at? Yo😎
I know dude I can't get enough, I wanna see him track it.
Miton Films. Intergras are shit
Miton Films stfu
dude we all arent 16 wen can afford better then 2k dollar cars, lulz
After owning 2 STI's and one WRX, I grew tired of the ej25. Even after all the tuning and modding, I found my self going down the same road every subie owners goes down. I got a car with a high revving V8. My e92 M3 DCT has given me so much joy, yes even more than the subies. It's a better daily and a better canyon Carver!
Subaru STI/Wrx is overrated.
Wish Toyota would bring back AWD and Turbo like the celica GT4 rally champ.
Toyota4Life I would definately love for Toyota to release another all trac. Great car
They also gotta revive the 3SGTE
I bought a new WRX in April of 2002. After grenading the trans, having it fixed at a dealer then having more trans issues I bought a STi 6 speed. I will say out of all the mods I have made to my car the best and most enjoyable is the STi 6 speed. The closer gear ratios make taking corners in 2nd gear better cause 2nd gear in the 5 speed was to tall. Also having that LSD in the front and better center diff pulls the car hard out of corners. I would consider that a major difference that is worth the extra money.
I just bought a 2017 WR blue pearl STI, every WRX owner wants a STI.
I owned a 2015 WRX. I currently own a 2017 STI. Acceleration feels the same in every day driving. It's only when you push them hard do you really notice a difference. STI is stiffer. WRX gets much getter fuel economy. I've loved them both. Short term, I think the WRX is a better buy. Long term, the STI will hold up better over time.
Disagree with the comments on the BRZ. I just wish people would understand the concept of the BRZ was to provide a entry level RWD chassis for road racing and autocross. Hell the SCCA just started a spec class based off of the BRZ/86 platform and that should just be the end of the conversation on the whole shitty argument that the "brz/86 needs more power".
But it needs more power.
assassin72 BRZ needs more power.
tankd0g The real problem with the brz actually is the lack of forced induction
But for $30k+ look at the cars you can buy with double the horsepower and handle just as good.
assassin72 finally someone with some common sense. Well said
I own an Evo and am a die hard Evo fanboy, BUUUTTT there is so many more reasons to go STi over WRX than just the seats and differentials. There’s 1) differentials 2)resale value 3)transmission 4)factory brembos 5)hydraulic steering 6)shifter/clutch feel 7)better stock suspension
However the ej25 does need to be updated, but when it does get updated you’re going to get the typical “it’s not an STi anymore” group of people just like you did with the Evo when Mitsu went to the 4B11
The sti has a better motor transmission different suspension different tires and better diff, there's nothing wrong with the wrx but sti is a different car.
Hal Yolo tire are same on both cars
Rexshorty17 u right
I recently drove both. Very underwheelemd with the wrx. Was so disappointed. Expected to get let down by the STI. But I loved that car. It pull so much harder. Handled so much better. Everything just felt better in that car.
Only from the factory sense. Beyond that, once the wrx has a 6-spd they're just about the same.
@ HingleMcCringleBerry videos like this will lead to misinformation and people expecting to be "let down by STI". In fact I read it all the time exactly what you said, STI is much better driving experience, no comparison. That's why this STI roast video is so inaccurate.
I looked long and hard between the current gen WRX and STi, and the main reason i chose the STi was for the drive line, it had LSDs front, centre and rear. My car is daily driven and it sees up to 6 track days a year so i liked the fact that i didnt need to buy after market LSDs and get STi brakes for the car.
the FA20t motor is also a tuning beast
I agree with this review of the current WRX over STI. With one exception. The drive train is completely different. The WRX no longer has factory LSD differentials and relies on traction control to maintain grip, while the STI has mechanical differentials. That is the huge difference. For track or aggressive driving the STI is still the way to go. For daily driving, and occasional track days, the WRX will suite most people.
Subaru may have released the S208 limited edition in Japan with their JDM exclusive EJ20 producing 324hp but they've lost their ways. In Japan, they had to recall most of their cars due to their quality-control inspection scandal this year. Also Subaru announced today that they will stop selling the WRX STI in Europe as well as UK markets (no WRXs here). The Collin McRae days it is not now.
+Markez Singltary Yeah it sucks doesn't it. Because Mitsubishi didn't release an EVO XI and axed the EVO series, it didn't encourage Subaru to improve on its STIs much. 10-15 years ago, the Mk 1 Focus RS, Audi S3, BMW 130i, Golf R32 etc were slower cars than EVOs + STIs. But now the MK3 Focus RS, Audi S3, BMW M140i and MK7 Golf Rs are just as fast, if not faster than the EVOs + STIs
The S207, S208 have the FA motor producing more power than the EJ
+SubZero Not true. Go to the S208 page on the subaru japan website. STI have continued to use the handbuilt EJ20 with upgraded internals for the S207 + S208. In japan, you can get a WRX S4 (stolen the name from audi) and it features a 300hp version of the FA20DIT but with CVT transmission
s208 costs 56000 usd
+Ben Chesterman Its handbuilt balanced engine, bespoke 6 pot brembo calipers and recaro seats as well as carbon fibre roof will be why it costs 56k
I say it now and say it again. If the sti had the fa20dit i would have 100% bought one.
I bought into the 2015 STi hype with a launch edition... got rid of it in 4 months.
Yaaaay my car. Also, completely agree with everything you said. For WAY less you're getting the same thing as the STI, minus the Brembos, Wing, Engine and Diffs. You can't deny the EJ of it's glory but the new FA20 is just so good with a turbo attached to it. Also, you cant act like you cant just add an intake, full exhaust and a tune and make 300AWHP for way less than an STI still haha
If you’re still in Florida, you should review my tuned Golf R!! I’m in Jacksonville
Golf Rs are literally all over here in Australia old and new mate. I don’t see why Golf Rs are a pretty rare sight in America
Yez
Marco, only a limited number of the MK6 was imported into the US and the MK7 has only been around since the end of 2015 with something like 500 cars for the first year. 2016+ they are importing a lot more but they are still less popular than the Focus RS, WRX STI and Civic Type R, probably because they don't look crazy (which Golf R owners love).
The Golf R is the new corolla here in Australia. Middle aged librarians and fuk boys that can’t change gears drive them hhhahahah
I couldn't agree with this more. I have a 2017 wrx and with a tune the car becomes so much better than an STI and will make more power. I wanted the BRZ but really wanted to step into the turbo world this for this car. With an exhaust the FA sounds great and pops like crazy!
You failed to mention that the STI also keeps the unequal length headers which the standard WRX loses along with the boxer rumble. The STI also retains hydraulic steering while the WRX goes with the less precise electric power steering.
Considering that equal length headers will have a performance benefit over UEL, i'd say that the WRX gains EL headers, rather than loses UEL headers.
Unless you really want the sound there's no reason to use UEL headers apart from packaging.
I was dead set on getting an sti. Honestly didn't care what year but wide said it has to be the new model. Picked up a 2015 limited sti for $30,500 and I couldn't be happier. I bought it as a commuter car for the wife and I get 26-28 pretty steady on the highway. Beats the shit out of my tundra which gets 11 on a good day. It all comes down to personal preference and what the buyer wants🤷♂️
Definitely worth it if you love EJs
Shorpy no one loves ringlands. Which isn't even fixed for the newer MY sti's......
The STI used to be the better car back when the WRX used the old 5-Speed, but it's nice to know the gap is closing in between them. Still, the brake package on the STI adds a lot of value.
👎🏻 just for missed information about the differences between the wrx and sti . Still love the channel though
subie_ slw this review is sad
Not a review... He's giving Subaru shit.
wanna know something funny...I just realized it says roast in the title and not review. Still a lot of miss info though :\
I think everyone is ready for a change from the ej257. It’s a decent engine but we’re ready for a timing chain like the fa20. People are terrified that they wouldn’t be a Subaru, the only thing they’d have to do is engineer an unequal length header with a single scroll turbo like before. Easy peasy
I used to won 14 evo x now as dad with 1 kid is a bit hard to live in day to day with it. I traded for an suv but i i am getting another fun car wrx it is. Base AF save ur $$$ for upgrades.
Knives the WRX is definitely the "fun Dad" car. My kids love riding in it. Lol
If theres a levorg here in canada ill take it :-)
Also heres my theory. Subaru knows they have made a massive fan base with the WRX/STi, but they want to move on to something else without commiting sales suicide by ending the line all together. So they take the car, lower MPG, keep the same horsepower, etc. To make people want to go get the BRZ. Just a theory
At least it doesent hit crowds
MIKERPOTATO,guns,games I've seen these hit crowds pretty hard in rally racing
I'm a Lame bitch OOF
HA that’s what I said
Talking kicking a dead horse man this fucking joke so annoying. I don't even like mustang and I'm tired of hearing this
TxJonathan so true that joke is dead!🙄
I live in Russia and drive BRZ. Buy this BRZ in New Jersey, have 14.5 mpg, on straight exhaust, with porting of heads, fuel pump, and injections. Fuel mapping is done.
You said it was ballesy for the evo to change from the 4g63 but did you see what happened to after they did it died
Chris Pearaon the Evo died because Mitsubishi motor co failed. The 4b11t is actually an excellent motor and people are making crazy power from the stock bottom end. It just took a few years to get it figured out. The 4g63 had been around along time and was a proven platform. Both great. Sti and wrx are both also awesome!
The Lancer died cause Mitsubishi hadn't updated their lineup for over a decade.
The Evo died because Mitsubishi wanted to switch their product focus on EV and clean energy... Not because of whatever reason you’re trying to get at.
The Evo X/4B11 is still a great engine. Maybe not as infamous as the 4G63 however it is still a very easy engine to get power out of
Look at it this way, the crossover trend and other trends for SUV's will be changed in the next generation since so much of us growing up now love sports cars more than the last generation did.
I have a 2018 WRX and I completely agree! The main complaints I have are with the factory tune, specifically with the rev hang in between 1st and 2nd. Other than that I absolutely love it!
Andrew Levitt Same here. I just got my 18 WRX last week, and 1st to 2nd is the hardest to get right.
Oh really? I did not know that about the throttle. I just thought the car was fast as hell lol I haven't put the pedal all the way to the floor yet.
I have a 17 with a Cobb big sf intake and ap. The rev hang gets much better and the 5k deadzone disappears. it just pulls all the way through.
The STi *IS* worth it unless you want to deal with a blown transmission after a few bolt-ons and a tune..
Sounds like you’re talking about the pre-2015 WRX. He’s talking the current gen. I’ve had 332 wtq for 40k miles now and my trans is doing just fine
I'm also at 320wtq with a protune on 91 octane. tgv/egr deletes, charge pipe, 3 port ebcs, muffler delete axle-back stock catback with downpipe. Stock clutch with no transmission issues.
So I guess the wrx is worth it since the transmission won't blow after a few bolt-ons and a tune..
getgabenbro Push it past 400 whp, and goodbye!
This isn't a pre-2015 5 speed WRX, the 6 speed in the new ones is very similar to the legendary STi 6 speed, the gearing is just tweaked a little. In other words, they're bullet proof.
Serps1991 it’s not, the 2015 is basically the old five speed with a sixth gear...
I think it’s funny how everyone complains about Subaru using the same motor for a long time but no one complains about Chevy using the ls motors for as long as they did......plain and simple if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, the EJ25 has been a proven motor for Subaru.
That yummy rev hang lol
INCOGNITO Gaming rev hang is the worst thing to happen to newer sports cars
There hasn't been much progress (1994 sti made 280, 2018 sti makes 305 hp) look at the mustang gt
in 1994 the mustang gt made 215 now in 2018 it makes 460 horsepower. Yes horsepower is not everything but the car stayed pretty much the same for good or for bad
but there always has to be hp bumps so the car doesn't fall off in performance
The Sti is better if you’re going for a serious build, the ej25 has been proven to make over 1000hp while the FA hasn’t gotten anywhere close. Yes the wrx is the better daily but the STI still is the faster and better car. Subaru does need to come out with something new to compete with the RS though.
thekids4488 Doesn’t the ej25 have over 20 years of development into it though compared to the FA20
"Subaru does need to come out with something new to compete with the RS though." Like an engine whose head gasket will actually hold beyond 10,000 miles.
this simply isnt true
tankd0g easier said than done, show me an fa20dit with 1000hp...
II_BERZIN_II how so?
Unless the next gen STI has a new engine I'll stick with the WRX
You fail to mention the transmission is way stronger, shifter and clutch feel like a sportscar not vague and most importantly it has hydrolic steering. Long story short if you do track days you immediately notice the difference between these cars. People listen to you... Get your shit straight
Mathew Long Grow up man..
He forgot to mention the tranny in the video, check his pinned comment.
Rumor is the next one will be a hybrid. Yes! Just what we want....
Yeah and what do you do for a living? He's a dude who reviews cars, he's not a journalist. Foh
If you do track days build a an 04. Stupid to take a brand new car under warranty to the track and all the hardware is the same
They won't turbo the FRS, because of the history behind it. The OG Toyota ae 86 was naturally aspirated. So the new Toyota 86 stayed naturally aspirated. And if they made an STI, I don't think Toyota would sell an STI, so it would only be available in a Subaru, and that would really hurt Toyota sales
Review a mazdaspeed6
I've got a love hate relationship with my 18 rex. It's more of a drivers experience then a " racer's" cars
I just love STIs
wrx no mods just a stage 1 tune is pretty dope
You forgot to talk about the copious amounts of catastrophic failures the EJ engines have had!
the diffs are worth the extra money, especially if your going to be winter driving or offroad rally, makes the car much more fun
If it works then don’t change it. Btw Subaru’s are way different after the break in period. They limit power and throttle response during the break in.
That's a terrible way to think about things. As an engineer, why stop improving it? Why not make it even better.
If that were the case, the American cars would still come with the same small block 350's but even American manufacturers have advanced. Imagine if the 2018 corvette still had the same LS1.
My WRX Channel the 350 small block uses quality metal and heavy parts. You can just tell where they took out the metal in the Ls engines and “improved the design”.
HingleMcCringleBerry but they didn’t improve it. F series motors aren’t good boosted much less in a car you would put it in a harsh environment
Still more than Subaru has done in their Halo engine.
Your totally missing what makes the STI a more special car. It's not just about a motor. It's about the trans, brakes, suspension, steering, and most importantly the vastly superior differentials all around. Oh, and the sound... love the ej sound. The overall effect is a more raw feeling, high strung, analog car. Sure, it makes a pretty lousy city run-about, but it makes for an amazingly fun instrument of irresponsible behavior. For the price delta, you can't turn a WRX into an STI. So no, it's not just a difference of 3 letters. It's a different type of man-machine interaction.
It’s just sad when you consider 300hp a sports car because right now Kia sedans have the same horsepower and Kia doesn’t call them sports car
POW ER RANGR Lopez What kia sedan does that
Yubgcharmander optima sx
Really any sx on their line. Their new stinger that they consider a sports car 😂
the sti weights 3400 pounds, the new camaro is 3700
Yubgcharmander Kia stinger
Mate the EJ25 is a awesome motor. Well the headers r.
A rexie not having the sound is like a V8 sounding like a 4 cylinder. A Rotary sounding like a EVO. NO one can understate what the sound means to people. To be honest I would of loved a larger capacity like EJ28 or whatever
It's like Mazda had the 10A then 12A than 13B, 20B etc for the rotary
I stopped watching when I heard, "I drive a mustang."
The feeling of power youre talking about... is torque, sti isnt twin scroll so torque is up high, twin scroll has torque low then stays there so you dont feel much change but it is pushing