I doubt the dev team wanted to spend another 12 hours on a model and they were pretty new to the technology at the time. I guess they were content with how Mario looked so they just went for that model as well.
not so far off actually - if you could make "medium poly" versions, it should be possible to display both chars at once without lag and this technique would go a long way in not having the mid poly models look like maro and loogi
@Unmeltable Gal No. ExoParadigmGamer. The exact quote: "Mario himself looks alright and is animated well, but when viewed up-close, it's really obvious that instead of box modeling him, they just threw a bunch of sphere primitives together, stretched the vertices a little bit and called it a day."
You... created the new model by editing the hex code of the game? My friend, your dedication to the cause of science and self-perfection is truly a thing to admire.
From what I understand, the buffer for models is too small. Hence - why things need to be pieced together. He stated that he edited the model, he didn't create a new one. He simply told the positions of the vertices from the arms and legs to connect to each other in the middle.
To me, it looks like what he points out in the hex editor is a display list. Essentially, it's the graphics commands the CPU sends to the GPU, it deals with a bunch of stuff, like texturing, lighting, and of course vertices for models. Seems like what he did was edit the display lists directly to make the model look how he wanted
Better yet i would really like a version where you can turn on and off individual improvements, kind of like the sonic3 complete romhack. If you have the option to turn things off, then he could add some more wacky stuff that not everyone would like
I mean, it was one of nintendo's first experiences making a 3d model of a human character. Star Fox SNES they never worked with an actual character's body in 3d. (maybe andros but he's just a face)
Yes, it can reduce framedrops. Especially when combined with other optmizations, Kaze was able to boost the game's performance to up to 80 FPS in some cases. This should be MORE than enough to get a perfectly stable 30 on console at all times. Heck, maybe even 60 FPS is doable on console at this point.
@@GordonWeedman Yeah, Nintendo is getting totally BTFO"d by some random guy working on 20 year old hardware. They take it down because they see it as someone modifying their game which is illegal. and even if it isn't, He can't do shit about it so they don't care. you all will keep buying Nintendo products anyway lmao
i think this is one thing i noticed when i was young but got so used to over the years, i was like "you think mario looks weird" when i saw the initial tweet before my mind went "actually..." again great work
Whenever the topic of Mario's model on SM64 gets brought up, my mind always goes directly to the PBG clip of; mario is only 5 hovering and flashing balls.
Honestly, I couldnt tell what was different based off what you were posting on twitter. But now I know, I'm glad someone fixed the issue of mario turning dummy thicc when he runs
This not only reduces vertex calculations, it also reduces overdraw. Sadly, Nintendo used this kind of modeling throughout their N64 games and that includes the LOZ games which I believe targeted just 20 fps. I remember someone who developed games for the N64 said that it didn't seem like N64 games were geometry limited so much as they were fill-rate limited so reducing overdraw would do a lotlot to increase performance. That same guy was behind the Z-sort microcode which got rid of the z-buffer altogether and allowed for much higher polygon counts. Even then, there was another optimization that a lot of games could have used to make better use of fill-rate without getting rid of the z-buffer and that's using a reverse-painters algorithm. I looked at the draw order of a few N64 games and it seemed to draw things back to front for the most part so pretty much every time a triangle was drawn, it read the old Z-buffer, value then wrote over it and the color buffer values with the new values. By just drawing from front to back it could have got rid of a lot of those color and z-buffer writes.
Dude! That's huge! I've been learning OpenGL recently so I know how tough vertex buffers and the whole shebang can be, and you managed it in Hex! You're on another level!
That looks amazing, this inspires me to optimize my own Yoshi mod to look more smoothed out than what 64DS did (yes I borrowed the model from that game). But damn it takes so much time to nail that, great job kaze!
I’m with you on this one. The segmented model looks better for me because it makes Mario’s arms and legs less noodley and thin, like he is a pudgy man but has some stronger/more muscular limbs so the less polygons gave Mario more muscular shape and definition, like Nintendo saw this themselves years ago making the game and decided to go the segmented route regardless because of this.
3D modeling, and especially 3D modeling in games, was unknown during the 64 days. I knew that the closed-shape model was used in SM64, but was unaware that because of the implementation, hex editing was the only way to adjust it. Amazing work going through that!
Looking at his animation frame by frame with this model is amazing, even Marios peace sign animation looks better! I'm excited to play with this model!
The original has so much charm and sentimental attachment to so many people though, this new one just looks like a cursed image of Mario after being so used to the mash-up of polygons that’s been the SM64 Mario we’ve come to know and love. The fact that you put this kind of effort to fix the problems shows your dedication though like damn 12 hours, it’s cool you’ve taken up this challenge and succeeded
Doctor: What brings you here today? Mario: Someone stole my kneecaps and took a bite out of my elbow. Mario shortly realizes that he himself is a doctor.
It's kind of funny... I was never a fan of the capped polygons. But, like you said: with such a small buffer - you can only do so much. Hex editing is atrocious, especially when you don't know where things are or what they do. I think it's awesome that you went through the work, time, and effort of doing this. Most people either wouldn't care, or are too lazy to do such things. It's amazing what you've managed to do to this game - I love seeing the results. I assume that stitching Mario's arms and legs to the body would be tricky, because the polygons for the torso don't line up with the arms or legs. I'd imagine the head may be a bit easier to stick to the top of the body. But, this work is awesome. I would love to know if the other main characters like Bowser, Peach, and Yoshi can be stitched in some areas? Anyways, great job!
Me before the video: Man, eff this guy trying to jock on a 23 year old game. Me after the video: Man, subscribe to this guy because he's actually pretty cool
Du bist ein Wundertäter! You are a miracle-worker! This is amazing stuff. I would love to see you do something to Mario Kart 64. I know they had to render the players and carts as 2D sprites so they could save polygons. Alle guten wünsche. All good wishes.
Super Mario 64 is a never ending source of fun facts, and has a pretty dedicated community (from speedruns to leaking its source code, among other things.)
Your stuff is amazing! Hey you ever look into Wii u N64 inject Emulation that place could use some help with the lack of paper work and hex editing options.
So you ruin super mario 64 for me, say you fixed it, SHOW the fix, and then leave no download link or any way for me to fix this myself. I both hate you and love you kaze.
I totally agree with the fact that having more than 100 additional polygons for the game to work with would be *so* much cooler for the maps and game as a whole
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Optimizing 20+ year old games, because why not
He looked better in Mario Tennis for the 64 and he was lower poly.
you know what they say about German engineering
@@protocetid that they purposefully add a system that will only meet environmental guidelines when testing?
@@ScyHigh that too lol
Because German mad scientist.
"It's so difficult, which is why no one has done this before, so in 12 hours I did it."
O oke
This is the same guy who made Super Mario 64 Online so it's no surprise really
@@microsoftsamreloaded3558 psssst Kaze didn't make SM64O, he helped a little bit with it ;)
"weird flex but okay"
He did it by building up speed for 12 hours.
I doubt the dev team wanted to spend another 12 hours on a model and they were pretty new to the technology at the time. I guess they were content with how Mario looked so they just went for that model as well.
They could have added Luigi with those extra polys
not so far off actually - if you could make "medium poly" versions, it should be possible to display both chars at once without lag and this technique would go a long way in not having the mid poly models look like maro and loogi
Mario party or ssb64 models could probably work.
@@KazeN64 wouldn't that use double the animations though?
@@kimgkomg it would,... i dont think that would be very significant but im not 100% sure honestly.
Luigi deserves more love than that >: |
I've heard a reviewer say this once.
"It's like they just threw a bunch of spheres on him and called it a day."
Wasn't that SomeCallMeJohnny?
@@unmeltabledjdkrnrjdjsnd9317 th-cam.com/video/re6qlTbQB4w/w-d-xo.html 10:23
@Unmeltable Gal
No. ExoParadigmGamer.
The exact quote:
"Mario himself looks alright and is animated well, but when viewed up-close, it's really obvious that instead of box modeling him, they just threw a bunch of sphere primitives together, stretched the vertices a little bit and called it a day."
@@thegreenfireball897 Ah yes you're right. My bad
Or AntDude on Browser's model: "A bunch of cardboard duct taped together"
At the start I was like : "this guy is crazy, how can you say the model is weird"
After the video : Yep, that's better like that.
idk, the skeleton thingy has a peener idc if the kneecaps aren't real I just needed to know he had a peener
He should have used the extra polys to fix Mario’s shoulders and add a neck
im so used to the original individual part model that seeing it skinned like this is just too weird for me
@@robertwyatt3912 why would a neck be so useful?
@@trunk4810 because people have necks.
I want a ROM Hack with all of Kaze's patches and mods
would just crash the game, too much epicness at once
@@gamersunite9026 damn polished wide mario oddysey legend of zelda multi-player split screen isn't possible anymore
How to: Turn your PC into a world-ending fire
@@gamersunite9026 more likely than not, nintendo would be given a run for their money.
Mario's Original Model: You
Fixed Model: The guy she tells you not to worry about
Hi again
Galaxy Model: Her Crush
oh
Far-Away Model: your wingman
My tiredass thought that "you" was misspelled
The new model looks more smoother and more satisfying to look at
vAqeii but it's not as thicc
The fixed model looks so good, yet wrong
Temulgeh Yeah the old model looks more fat
This
This right here
The new model looks smoother and is objectively better
But I much prefer the old model because I'm just so use to it
he was more ｃｈｏｎｋ
but now it's soo smoothed it weirded me out
but nice job for him
optimize the game to the tee
@@juliewinchester1488 imo its not that good looking
Jizzwardo
Matter of preference I think.
Even as a kid, seeing that pelvis line weirded me out. Smooth is def my pref.
You... created the new model by editing the hex code of the game?
My friend, your dedication to the cause of science and self-perfection is truly a thing to admire.
From what I understand, the buffer for models is too small. Hence - why things need to be pieced together. He stated that he edited the model, he didn't create a new one. He simply told the positions of the vertices from the arms and legs to connect to each other in the middle.
To me, it looks like what he points out in the hex editor is a display list. Essentially, it's the graphics commands the CPU sends to the GPU, it deals with a bunch of stuff, like texturing, lighting, and of course vertices for models. Seems like what he did was edit the display lists directly to make the model look how he wanted
you have yo put all of yours improvements in one game one day...
I would be VERY happy if this happened
Better yet i would really like a version where you can turn on and off individual improvements, kind of like the sonic3 complete romhack. If you have the option to turn things off, then he could add some more wacky stuff that not everyone would like
@@diegog1853 This. So much this.
Imagine having a Version of Mario 64 that is optimized, has selectable 1 player / 2 player modes and free camera controls.
Also, change his colors to the Star Road colors. I prefer Mario's color palette from SM64 Star Road
Mario actually looks like a normal guy, instead of like a lumpy clay figurine.
Looks so weird to me taking out the weird part about Mario’s body in SM64, but nonetheless it looks good
why do I see you everywhere-
@@Rei0SU have the same same thing with a different person..
His/her name is christopher moon..
When not being anxious gives you anxiety
It looks weird to me too
@@cubedude8690 yes
This game is 23 years old yet it still gets attention than indie games today.
It's still a decent platforming engine even by today's standards.
Gotta love Kaze for fixing problems in Mario 64 that I never even knew about.
So is it possible to have a ultimate SM64 pack?
This model, Smooth Camera, ability to collect stars and continue? and maybe a few other improvements?
I can forgive the weird looking model because this was one of Nintendo's first experiences in making 3D games.
I mean, it was one of nintendo's first experiences making a 3d model of a human character.
Star Fox SNES they never worked with an actual character's body in 3d. (maybe andros but he's just a face)
@@czech_ring Nintendo didn't make Star Fox. Argonaut did.
Mesh skinning wasn't really used back then, even Lara croft was made up of a bunch of simple shapes on hinges..
That is amazing that you did that through the hex code!
does that means it reduces framedrops while bowser's sub is on screen? now i wanna see it :)
Yes, it can reduce framedrops. Especially when combined with other optmizations, Kaze was able to boost the game's performance to up to 80 FPS in some cases.
This should be MORE than enough to get a perfectly stable 30 on console at all times. Heck, maybe even 60 FPS is doable on console at this point.
I thought this was going to be a shitpost. This is actually really great news though
Wow only 2 min video ?
Usually youtubers extend it to 10 min
Congratulations 🎉
Kaze: * finds better and more efficent Way to enhance SM64 models*
Coders: Welcome to The Demoscene, we have beer.
That’s so cool
I love your videos dude,
Hi btg! i love your videos youre so cool
I Like You BTG😁
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That's so cool! Mario can finally have a clean 3D model! It looks so satisfying
I always wondered the exact reasoning why he looked off... Thank you for not only clarifying this, but fixing it too.
Nintendo is missing out on a huge opportunity by not hiring this man.
He's fixed more problems in SM64 than 1st party Switch originals.
NINTENDO
@@GordonWeedman your absolutely 100% right
I don't think N64 expertise translates into newer consoles very well.
@@GordonWeedman Yeah, Nintendo is getting totally BTFO"d by some random guy working on 20 year old hardware. They take it down because they see it as someone modifying their game which is illegal. and even if it isn't, He can't do shit about it so they don't care. you all will keep buying Nintendo products anyway lmao
@@XxkillerswagxX HIRE THIS MAN
This is amazing work, Kaze! Cheers!
That's really impressive, great work as usual, Kaze
i think this is one thing i noticed when i was young but got so used to over the years, i was like "you think mario looks weird" when i saw the initial tweet before my mind went "actually..."
again great work
Whenever the topic of Mario's model on SM64 gets brought up, my mind always goes directly to the PBG clip of; mario is only 5 hovering and flashing balls.
We can never lose you Kaze. You’re so legendary, you know so much about this engine. Great job
Mario has a bigger meatball butt now, very nice
Honestly, I couldnt tell what was different based off what you were posting on twitter. But now I know, I'm glad someone fixed the issue of mario turning dummy thicc when he runs
So now people can make more detailed rom hacks? Fascinating! You are awesome Kaze!
for just simple modifications this looks really cool, nice job!
That's awesome, can't wait to see you integrate it into future mods.
This not only reduces vertex calculations, it also reduces overdraw. Sadly, Nintendo used this kind of modeling throughout their N64 games and that includes the LOZ games which I believe targeted just 20 fps.
I remember someone who developed games for the N64 said that it didn't seem like N64 games were geometry limited so much as they were fill-rate limited so reducing overdraw would do a lotlot to increase performance. That same guy was behind the Z-sort microcode which got rid of the z-buffer altogether and allowed for much higher polygon counts.
Even then, there was another optimization that a lot of games could have used to make better use of fill-rate without getting rid of the z-buffer and that's using a reverse-painters algorithm. I looked at the draw order of a few N64 games and it seemed to draw things back to front for the most part so pretty much every time a triangle was drawn, it read the old Z-buffer, value then wrote over it and the color buffer values with the new values. By just drawing from front to back it could have got rid of a lot of those color and z-buffer writes.
That reveal genuinely shocked me. Excellent work; a wonderful display of optimization.
thank you for the dedication I was always slightly peeved with the way he looked
Wow, on Twitter I didn't really see what was going on, but with your commentary, I totally understand what you did and man it looks crisp.
cool video. the only thing missing (that makes it perfect) is the file select theme ^^
Dude! That's huge! I've been learning OpenGL recently so I know how tough vertex buffers and the whole shebang can be, and you managed it in Hex! You're on another level!
Wow that is incredible! Amazing work man! 😀
The way you fixed the Mario model looks amazing.
I wasn’t expecting to be watching a video on how a guy fixed a classic game character’s model at 3 AM, but here we are
That looks amazing, this inspires me to optimize my own Yoshi mod to look more smoothed out than what 64DS did (yes I borrowed the model from that game). But damn it takes so much time to nail that, great job kaze!
You never cease to amaze me Kaze.
Tbh I think I prefer the older segmented model.
It's just part of the model's charm to me.
yeah and im guessing for people that grew up with it it’s nostalgic
i like both tbh
I’m with you on this one.
The segmented model looks better for me because it makes Mario’s arms and legs less noodley and thin, like he is a pudgy man but has some stronger/more muscular limbs so the less polygons gave Mario more muscular shape and definition, like Nintendo saw this themselves years ago making the game and decided to go the segmented route regardless because of this.
I definitely knew about the separate pieces, but I'm really impressed with how much better it looks
No one talks about how every model on Mario 64 looks like a cheap unofficial plush
That’s what gave Mario 64 its charm
3D modeling, and especially 3D modeling in games, was unknown during the 64 days. I knew that the closed-shape model was used in SM64, but was unaware that because of the implementation, hex editing was the only way to adjust it. Amazing work going through that!
Looking at his animation frame by frame with this model is amazing, even Marios peace sign animation looks better! I'm excited to play with this model!
congratulations kaze! this is great!
The original has so much charm and sentimental attachment to so many people though, this new one just looks like a cursed image of Mario after being so used to the mash-up of polygons that’s been the SM64 Mario we’ve come to know and love.
The fact that you put this kind of effort to fix the problems shows your dedication though like damn 12 hours, it’s cool you’ve taken up this challenge and succeeded
Nice work as always
Nice work
It's not weird. *IT'S PERFECT* (For me)
Holy shit! that's amazing! I can't belive you were able to do that!
He looks much better, also the "looking inside the elbow" thing happens to Ness in Smash 64.
Really amazing job!! So nice looking!
0:04 what are you talking about? SM64 Mario is flawless, he is a godsend amongst others....
in all honesty that looks really nice
Ngl mario looks like he lost a lot of muscle in his arms in the fixed ver.
I respect the effort, though.
Pizzachu22 Yeah I feel the same way, I mean the attempt is nice but this feels like it makes Mario look more weird.
"mario 64 mario with smooth elbows and knees isnt real it cant hurt you"
mario 64 mario with smooth elbows and knees:
Doctor: What brings you here today?
Mario: Someone stole my kneecaps and took a bite out of my elbow.
Mario shortly realizes that he himself is a doctor.
super cool and really clever. but i actually like how chunky the og model is. those clumps are what make it so charming
Thats AMAZING! 💖 good work! 👏👏👏
That’s some great contribution man
Thanks
When I first played super Mario 64 I thought he looked really weird, but now he holds a special place in my memories...
That glitchy wallkick at 1:33
Wow! that's great work, very impressive.
Goodbye, Marios weirdly shaped elbows!!
It's kind of funny... I was never a fan of the capped polygons. But, like you said: with such a small buffer - you can only do so much. Hex editing is atrocious, especially when you don't know where things are or what they do. I think it's awesome that you went through the work, time, and effort of doing this. Most people either wouldn't care, or are too lazy to do such things. It's amazing what you've managed to do to this game - I love seeing the results. I assume that stitching Mario's arms and legs to the body would be tricky, because the polygons for the torso don't line up with the arms or legs. I'd imagine the head may be a bit easier to stick to the top of the body. But, this work is awesome. I would love to know if the other main characters like Bowser, Peach, and Yoshi can be stitched in some areas? Anyways, great job!
I could make a pillow from Kaze's voice
This should be a download so people can use this while making hacks to add more detail to levels
Me before the video: Man, eff this guy trying to jock on a 23 year old game.
Me after the video: Man, subscribe to this guy because he's actually pretty cool
Very cool Kaze!
Kaze working hard as always!
That's a GOOD looking Mario. Well done!
Du bist ein Wundertäter! You are a miracle-worker! This is amazing stuff. I would love to see you do something to Mario Kart 64. I know they had to render the players and carts as 2D sprites so they could save polygons. Alle guten wünsche. All good wishes.
You certainly are a mad scientist with this game.
Kaze: *model import*
*Nintendo would like to know your location*
That's amazing! I wish you could have shown us the final model a little more clearly though
Playing in widescreen at 60fps with an improved model and analog camera is a dream
Super Mario 64 is a never ending source of fun facts, and has a pretty dedicated community (from speedruns to leaking its source code, among other things.)
I have noticed how weird the original model looked and I'm pretty used to it. Your model does look awesome though!
Your stuff is amazing! Hey you ever look into Wii u N64 inject Emulation that place could use some help with the lack of paper work and hex editing options.
Awesome to see a vid on this
Dude this is awesome
that looks really cool actually, so much smoother
Bro, you're amazing
Great work!
This is so cursed and so blessed at the same time.
Dang, nice job!
Looks great! I wonder if it is possible to implement this alongside your Hi polygon mod to make the smoother models animate more nicely too
So you ruin super mario 64 for me, say you fixed it, SHOW the fix, and then leave no download link or any way for me to fix this myself. I both hate you and love you kaze.
lmao
tsundere much
He hasn't released a hack with the untampered model yet though
@@lunakittyyy wait a minute
Dude. Legendary.
Now more amitious hacks are possible. Thank you Kaze, very cool
I totally agree with the fact that having more than 100 additional polygons for the game to work with would be *so* much cooler for the maps and game as a whole
This looks great! By any chance, is it possible to port this to an sm64pc patch so it can be used in the PC port?
Woah, what an upgrade!