I'm not sure it came across, but between Jimin and Jhope I meant to say that both have technical "weaknesses" that they turn into strengths in terms of artistry. Next I really want to make the video on Taemin - if you have videos that aren't official dance practices or super well known, feel free to link them (though I do think I'm familiar with a lot). It will be about the reasons his dancing is extremely well received, so the format and topics will be a bit different from this type of video (Also I'm sorry about the inconvenience with reading and watching at the same time, I'll try to avoid it for my shorter videos)
Yes please! I can’t wait for the Taemin video. He’s my fav dancer by far and I’d like to see in which aspects do you think he could improve, taking into account his artistry. Also the styles are very different between SHINee superm and his solo choreo.
Can we send links under this comment, or would it be better to do a direct message? And even tho Taemins video might be different format I hope you also talk about his struggles, ik he's amazing but he has to have some weaknesses(either from the past or recent) 🤣
th-cam.com/video/MgvAYZ7fEYA/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/TFQBTobceB4/w-d-xo.html One of the few covers he's done, I love how well he executes the choreo and does it the same as a gg member th-cam.com/video/o918IQgWcd8/w-d-xo.html Sorry for how short it is,they cut off his freestyle when he wasn't even done :( th-cam.com/video/-Q2L-qGk9hQ/w-d-xo.html One of my fav Want performance due to the first 20 second of the song🤣 th-cam.com/video/CwQers7jPMc/w-d-xo.html He choreographed this and has a different version for his Arena Tour in Japan. Both are really good. th-cam.com/video/bZmbtEO4Pak/w-d-xo.html (Flash warning) I love how he's feeling the music in this concert th-cam.com/video/YmXz7Ao2X6w/w-d-xo.html
@@LiaBraedt yea taemin 2012-2015 resonant up to Bb4/B4 he was AA-P same level as onew and baekhyun, but now he only resonates up to G#4, but hes still AA, the strongest sub vocalist (SHINee) and vocalist who has a main dancer position (SuperM) in kpop currently
1. th-cam.com/video/yLtgAJ5cGqE/w-d-xo.html the camerawork is annoying but I still like this Drip Drop stage 2. th-cam.com/video/3a3x0HXxDNI/w-d-xo.html in the dance practice I've seen used in some analysis it's not actually taemin dancing, so here's the performance with him 3. th-cam.com/video/JIuquo8i7oM/w-d-xo.html it's not a title track and it doesn't have a dance practice so it could fit into not super well known 4. th-cam.com/video/CEpOJ8jaGS8/w-d-xo.html "vroom vroom" fancam where he stands out a lot both due to sp and execution. Some love it, some say it's because he doesn't fit in superm 5. th-cam.com/video/qLdK46e-TGc/w-d-xo.html another superm fancam that shows the same thing. starts at around 2 minute mark 6. th-cam.com/video/yL7Sh4REC5k/w-d-xo.html a performance of Famous just because it's great, also please watch the dance practice if you by chance haven't 7. th-cam.com/video/V_uzsDLjCf0/w-d-xo.html idk how useful it is for judging technique, but it's an unusual choreography I hope this helps, I'll be happy to see your opinion about Taemin! I find that people either die on the hill that he's the absolute best of all time in kpop, which is a bit disingenuous if we're honest, or dismiss him entirely because they're put off by the praise, they find that only his stage presence lives up to the fame, or just don't personally like his specific style and therefore don't give him the due credit.
What I adore about Ni-ki is that you can feel he loves dancing. He doesn't stick to one genre, he just loves it all as long as he can move his body to the music. He wants to try everything, he wants to be good at everything. If you ask him about who is his favourite member in other groups, it'd be obviously the main dancer 😂 Can you imagine that his first hiphop class was already in Belift as a trainee? But people assume he learnt it at very young age because he does it so well. Another thing that catches my attention is how his dancing didn't have regress despite growing like 20 cm in 3 years. Usually the dancers are on the shorter side and tall members look awkward dancing but he's 183 cm and I always see knetz being surprised how someone this tall dances so well and look so light. I was worried that him growing so tall will affect his dancing but he's still as amazing as the first time I saw him.
yes poor baby talked about how hard it was in his bones and how he could cry from how much they would hurt and hoped that he would stop growing lol. but i agree! i think it's great that niki smartly chose to center his style around fluidity as it's an execution that looks great on ppl with long limbs. you can really see his personal stylistic inflections whenever he covers riehata choreos! she's got basically the opposite body type to him so even though the movements are the same during his covers, his style is so different! and i mean the kid grew up with a michael jackson shrine in his childhood home, he's been working towards this dream for over 10 years despite his young age! truly a gem in the industry, i can't wait to see his growth as an artist!
He even try to manage the angle of his body when he try to dance with other group. When he try to dance with &team and Jimin, their angle really similar
Jay is honestly such a good dancer I wonder why people don’t recognize his style. I think we can all agree that jay owns hip hop style dancing in enhypen
my assumption is that because most enhypen choreos are better suited for heeseung/jungwon/niki's strengths, their skills get to shine more. plus since enhypen is known for 'powerful performance,' the members who can deliver powerful executions will typically get more chances to shine (like how even though jake is not the most technically refined, he had a lot of solo parts this award season bc of his strong core and body tension). jay (and sunoo to an extent) has a much more effortless style, which is very hard to accomplish but a lot of enhypen's choreo isn't suited to show off his strength (except paradoxxx, he definitely shined the most there imo). i do think as enhypen progress in their careers and diversify their styles more, jay will be able to show off his talent in hip hop more!
your analysis of how j-hope takes his upper-body hunch/tension limitations and turns it into a defining feature of a consistent, through-line dance character (I’m loosely paraphrasing) was genuinely fascinating and so brilliant. thank you for putting words to a thing I understood but couldn’t explain. I think non-dancer people sometimes (first of all, I am people, second of all this is a broad strokes comment so it may not apply to everyone!) kind of overlook his actual skill - in part because he has the training to make everything look easy and effortless, and when he gets specific spotlight, like in the dna dance break at the end where he’s center, he leans into the goofy of it all. It took me a while to realize that the goofy comes from his body positioning (and also how like. powerful and radiant his joy while dancing can be, and also his curated, sunshine idol image), and not from any kind of lack of technical skill, emotion, or musicality.
BTS: has a good teamwork and stage presence is insane, their presence alone can take the stage TXT: so expressive with movements, they use a lot of arms and bouncy movements, they are more flowy Enha: for me has the intricate formations and they use a lot of arms and footwork, big movements that reaches far
I'm so proud Ni-ki is top 3 here, I have been saying in Iland that his the best dancer among the group as you can see he already developed a good foundation of ballet, jazz, hiphop which is easier for his to branch out with other genre. If he will be trained more with other stuff he will surely a great asset of hybe and enha.
Jimin & Jhope are the best duo main dancers 🙌🏼 Their combined skills are on another level and when they get to dance alone together, it's so satisfying to watch (boy meets evil/lie stage) They keep each other balanced and I love to see it :)
His vocals stood out to me even before i knew his name. But when i joined the fandom i was surprised how overlooked he was by the longtime 'fans'. Probably still stuck on i-land narrative?
as an engene, i appreciate how insightful this was. i agree that enhypen's "lead dancer" line are relatively close together in terms of avergae skill, and it's difficult to completely quantify them into a ranking because their styles differ so much. i also liked the things you pointed out for jay, i really hadn't given much thought to his dancing until now
Jay is such an underrated dancer for me. I watched him perform in drunk-dazed and I was astounded. He dances so cleanly and it gives him his own signature. I’m also really excited to see how far Ni-ki goes. He’s still a kid, but he can still keep up with people with years upon years of experience. He’s on track to becoming the next Taemin
Finally an analysis that gives J-Hope his well-deserved flowers! I feel like people often overlook it, sometimes it's mere basic preference or ignorance (as in literally, not the insult) about the skills involved, but sometimes it's purely out of snobbish reasons, because street styles (and here I'm talking on a very vast level, not just limited to BTS) are generally more looked down upon when you have contemp or classical influences in the same room, so people forget to look at the overall picture of dancing skillset and expression offered if it all comes from a street base. So yeah, it was refreshing to see Hobi in that first place. He's an amazing dancer with a vast array of skills which he knows how to use very purposefully while feeling super natural. As for Yoongi, personally I would've put him a bit higher even before his Haegum dance practice dropped, but that's something to agree to disagree on lol I hope I managed to explain my thoughts well, this isn't my mother language.
Like the comment, but I would say thankfully people don't seem to be just writing off or thinking less of street dance styles, atleast not from what I have seen. Actually I have seen lots of people that are becoming more aware of how hard and intense the skills, and techniques of these street dance styles, such as popping, tuting, locking, crump, etc... And I for one am happy that more and more people are realizing this and giving the dancers their due credit, etc....
I'm sorry if this comes off rude but idk what dance analysis you have seen to think Hobi is underappreciated lol. I have been an ARMY for 9 years and watched/read A LOT of analysis on BTS dancing and Hobi is placed as #1 99% of the time so I am confused on where you got the idea he was underappreciated or underrated when its always been the general consensus he is amazing? I think some of yall confuse less popularity for a lack of appreciation. Jimin is more popular and so you might hear more praise on his dancing but the fandom majority has always agreed Hobi is #1. The choreographer has said it, the company has said it and BTS themselves always say he is their #1 and its obvious how respected he is as the dance leader. There was even a time where it was forbidden to even have a personal preference where Hobi isnt #1 and iv seen the fandom tear into ppl who say Jimin or JK is best countless times. Idk if its because a lot of yall are new but recently some Hobi stans are under the impression the fandom does not appreciate Hobi's dance skills and its absolutely baffling cos all the evidence suggests otherwise. Was there a particular thing that triggered this like a bad analysis or is it cos yall see Jimin getting praised more? cos im starting to think its the latter...
@@kuroneko8343 I haven't been a fan quite as long as you, but I will say that it does seem as though Jimin gets far more praise for his dancing than Hobi gets on a day to day basis. Yes, many will say that Hobi is and always has been number 1, but there are so many solo Jimin stans that Hobis dance and overall talent gets pushed aside alot. Hobi gets pushed aside as a rapper, as a vocalist, and frequently as a dancer, not to mention the crap comments about his appearance. So, yeah, it's great to see him once in awhile get praised as the best! He deserves it!
Loved this analysis. It highlighted to me how much tension bothers me in dancers and I've always felt it but couldn't find the word for what wasn't connecting even when everything LOOKED good but the difference between Yeonjun and Jungkook/Jimin was like night and day! That release is SO important and adds sooooo much dynamics. Jay was higher on the list that I thought BUT your point about how he is during harder hitting choreo in the title tracks makes sense why he's never stood out to me during dance practice reactions. I already KNEW J-hope would be numero uno!! A beast. Also RM looked great in his clip, I actually was pleasantly surprised by how effortlessly, connected and detailed his movements were.
First of all, I would like to say that you are one of my favorite TH-camrs who does reactions and always speaks fairly and honestly, regardless of whether you are favorable toward an individual in a group. Whenever I watch your Enhypen dance practice videos, I always say to myself that Jay is a better dancer than you think, because he does not shine that much in their title tracks, but in their B-Side tracks and Dance Jams ("Dance Jam" is when they are doing live freestyle or just dancing to music), he stands out more. And to be honest, a lot of fans (including myself at one point) think he's not that good of a dancer (overlooked or underappreciated), but then professionals always commend him for his dancing.
I know! Thanks for mentioning it because RM stood out to me too...that guy has improved incredibly over the past 10 years. I like OP analysis and agree...yet truly, he has a lot of dance moments that are breathtaking
J-Hope is a genius dancer. Talking about his dance has always been interesting to me! His techniques and skills are so honed and the way he conveys his feeling through dance is just so mesmerizing. You will never find a single iota of pain or struggle in him, he has never slacked. Hobi is an ace in almost every style which without a doubt would make him an elusive open-style dancer as well. Two qualities that I find unreachable about him are isolation (& body control) and the way he is "balanced" in the best way possible *every single time* he is dancing! Whether it's between groove/sharpness or energy, he utilizes the best position. (In addition, his "blue check" challenge with Jay Park has to be the personification of groove!) He has it all; techniques & skills, positional awareness, experience, consistency, posture, angles, passion, core strength and stamina (as a plus point), fluidity, variety, versatility, dance line, bodyline, body control & etc his freestyle is insane too. Everything he showed as "freestyle" esp in recent years is only his warm-up sessions (He usually does 1 hr of joint and isolation warm-up before the actual practice.) so even these videos are not enough to evaluate his great freestyle skills in the other hand! He is simply excellent. The only flaw is that he is not a show-off !! That's it! He has never shown off his dance in any mean (BTS choreographies don't do justice to him moreover). Hopefully, we will get more of his dance in the coming-up year. I'm rooting for it, his dance is a blessing to the eyes.
@@user-vv7hc7kb5o Well maybe only ask me and I will nicely inform you? He himself said he has hope on the street dance project which will be released around the end of 2023.
omg i thought i was the only one to notice how sunghoon sometimes slows down a movement, and honestly, it looks good! he makes hard moves look easy and his posture is always so good. and thank you for showing jay's strengths, not many notice how great of a dancer he is.
Enhypen being the youngest group here and having 5 of their members in the top 9 is mind blowing. Their skills are so amazing!! All of these groups are such good dancers too, I can't wait to see more improvements from them all and more styles from them!
Thanks for your analysis about their dancing. I'm so proud of Ni-ki! He is so amazing every time he dances he is always the best of the best and pillar of enhypen performance. I've never seen any idol who can use their head,hair&neck better when dancing other than ni-ki. That means he is using all his body from bottom to the top very beautifully. He is my 1st pick from all the kpop dancers.
This video really proves how much good enhypen is to have the title 'the best dance line' because each one of them are really good dancers (esp Ni-ki). And I love how they have different styles of dance but still manages to make the choreographies better. They are really good!!!
Crazy how J-hope arguably had the least showcase among any top dancer idols of the kpop, yet no one can overlook how outstanding his skills are. Just waiting for the day he shows himself off finally 🔥
The amount of time and effort that must have gone into making this video! I love these longer breakdowns of yours. As a beginning dancer myself it’s also so useful to see examples and explanations of technique, groove and balance like this. ^^
Yes, Jhope taking the first place as he should... His dancing is what got me into kpop. Thank you for this video! I've just found your channel the other day and I'm getting so much inspiration to dance. It would also be awesome to see more detailed analyses of individual dancers or dance lines (not necessarily in a ranking format).
Taehyun is really an underrated dancer. He's a powerful and precise dancer and I think hip hop style is his. Considering that in TXT song his vocal parts are always the most difficult one with high notes, adlibs and harmonization, I'm always so impressed by his vocal stability and great dancing skills. Probably, if he will have a solo dance stage (without thinking to the singing part), he will show us even other aspects of his dancing and flow he has.
Yeonjun may be TXT's center but Taehyun is their ACE. Mans can do almost everything perfectly. This, plus being the most intelligent and dry-humor member? What a gem.
i was never that into boy groups so i never knew heeseung danced that well? 😮 i casually go through videos in twt/shorts/tiktok and so far all ive seen of him was singing so i only ever recognized him as a good singer. this was a pleasant surprise to me hahaha
As a street dancer myself I love watching these videos to see others opinions, but also it helps me improve myself by taking away some improvements that I could use. Thanks for the great video :D
I’m pretty surprised by V’s improvement. I stopped following BTS during the years when he seemed to be working really hard on his dancing, so it was a shock seeing his current skill in the last few releases
7:29 the way I gasped when I saw the angle his ankle was in 😭 Also YES THANK YOU. JAY IS SUCHHH A GOOD DANCER I CANT BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO THINK HES JUST AVERAGE OR NOT AS GOOD. like BFR have y’all seen this man- I will never be not surprised at just how complicated of dances these idols can pull off while looking good, even if they aren’t the strongest dancers…
The master jhope be at the top 👏. Hybe have such amazing dancers in all three groups. For me jay, niki and yeonjun look very promising if they develop their styles and techniques even more.
For engenes: ❤ 8:44 Jake 9:51 Sunoo 16:34 Sunghoon 18:38 Jungwon (this surprised me the most 😭 but I respect their assessment) 20:45 Heeseung 24:29 Jay 35:15 Ni-Ki ❤
The reason why I watched this video was not for the ranking which they gave (ranking is very subjective) but more for their dancing analysis which I agreed with respect to members whose fancam I watch often and it really made sense to me.
Me too.. But people have their own analysis .. And Also enhypen Have their Own Style on Dancing,Just choose who you like.. But theres something makes nosense for me ,When Jungwon Dancing pass the mic why the kreator Put Hoshi ?I meanHoshi didn't even In category ,why He not Comparing Jungwon dance with Ni-ki heeseung or Jay who are Rank Higher than Jungwon.. Also he not put Footwork,Fluidity ,versatility ,Torso moves,body Control ...Idk,There a lot Of Category if you want to Rank someone dance for me..
I totally strongly agree with these rankings, except the last two. I personally would flip Jake and Sunoo. It is a confidence thing at this point, and Jake has far more confidence and presence than Sunoo. While technically I see them as quite equal.
Happy to see J-Hope getting recognized for his talents. For me Hobi moves like liquid and is so striking with every beat/pose he hits. Hes so in tune with every part of his body and rides the musicality of any song so naturally and with a strong persona so my eye always goes straight to him in any BTS dance performance. I just get so much joy watching him dance, he really gives me life and motivation its crazy 😊💜💜💜
I love how you pointed out the tension in some of their dancing. In some ways I like to see the tension, its endearingly try-hard and you see a lot of that in younger groups. They're really focusing on synchro and not messing up. Its kind of the opposite of where BTS are at now. Watching them dance is also a treat for the opposite reason, theyre confident and relaxed, they arent as worried about getting things perfect and have moved towards showing individual style so much more in the last few years. The synchronization is still there but their personalities, skills, and texture shine. ALSO, I feel like we're seeing TXT move a little more towards individual style and greater performance confidence, which is cool to see.
Ever since niki debuted, he just kept improving to the point where i think he's the best 4th gen dancer. Hes just too good, a prodigy and adance genius in all aspects
Thank you for pointing out jay’s skills + this is not the first time a professional dance analyst compliments him, a Japanese analyst did the same for Fever. It’s cool how it’s always professionals with solid reasons are the one who give him high rankings.. ty again
Your analysis on Jimin was something I've never seen before, he really does take from a lot of styles. I would argue however he is most comfortable and looks most complete in modern dancing with contemporary elements (like with the Black Swan solo and SBS Daejun 2016)
I find it so interesting how a lot of these things you explain are things even I, a non-dancer, can "feel" instinctively. Obviously a lot of the intricacies are lost on someone who doesn't know better, but throughout this video I had a lot of lightbulb moments from you putting things that I only had a vague impression of into words - particularly why exactly Hueningkai comes across as somewhat awkward to me with his neck, or what you said about Jungkook's execution being textbook (something I'd already put into words, although I don't have the skills to explain what exactly about his moves makes it come across that way). I think it really goes to show the power of expression of dance, that even someone like me can instinctively understand that, say, Jungkook doing a more emotional choreography isn't having the same emotional impact as Jimin doing one, even if I can't explain why. Which is why I love dancers actually diving into the "why" and giving me more tools to understand dance as an art form! Although I will say, like with any skill, learning more about it and just how much details go into it is a bit overwhelming and makes me feel entirely lost as to how to gain those skills :') guess it's time for me to cough up money for lessons huh
I see many people underestimate Jay's dancing skills He is a great dancer. He is so good when it comes to hip hop...he is smooth with the moves and he has the swag
So glad you mentioned j-hope and the recent funk style dances being. He shone SO BRIGHTLY in those choreos, his groove was incredible and I kept finding new little adjustments to the choreo that he does to add flavor. Hes incredibly fun to watch, just makes things look so easy haha
As an ex-dancer with background in Ballet, Hip-hop, tap dance...I loved this intricate analysis. You were spot on ..I wouldn't put Kai so low, because honestly, Suga has strong tension in his arm movements that limits his lines. But we'll done
The sad thing is that there is a 70% chance that this tension is because of the accident he had pre-debut. Suga said that he couldn't even fully lift his arm up and that he has been in tremendous pain before he did the surgery. He was quite the good dancer pre-sebut and you can tell that he did b-boying before which is why it is such a bummer that he was held back from improving because of the injury...
@@multifan6679 he has been taking hip-hop lessons and we're gonna see him dancing for a D-Day song, i'm excited to see how much he improved since That That which was already sooo good
Thank you for your analysis on jay's strength as a dancer! He's pretty underrated in the fandom, it's nice to see a less biased perspective breaking down what makes him one of the best dancers in enha
I love all three groups so this was totally informative and cool to watch! When I saw you're ranking/analysis of Huening Kai I was sad he was so low but could totally understand. Whenever I watch TXT choreo, I always feel that he is hunching down because he's tall, I know other tall people who do that and I wonder if it's something he also does away from the stage. But I loved how you pointed out the pros and cons of each person. Thanks for doing this!
The thing is, I don't think Heuningkai would disagree or be offended or hurt by this, you know? He works so hard at dance but it's really challenging for him, that's not a secret. And he absolutely makes up for it in sheer performance artistry. I really love how the long-limbed floppy puppy we see offstage transforms into this electric, controlled, measuring performance onstage. Just watching his physicality it can be hard to believe he's the same person 😂
I’m so glad u mentioned that when it comes to Jhope and Jimin it’s usually a matter of taste and perspective😂 anytime I got into discussion about who was the best between them I just could not choose. I do contemporary, majorette, popping and basically just anything under the hip hop umbrella so as I dancer I relate to both of them a lot. Every time i try to compare them I find new things that I think one of them does better. I usually just rank by their specific performances. Like who was the best in danger or black swan.
Literally binged all your videos after I found your channel yesterday and I’m a huge BTS fan, so this was a really nice treat! I’m a former tap dancer of 9 years (currently I mostly do square dancing, which is an entirely different thing!), with some minor experience in ballet, contemporary, and jazz. I have very little experience w/hip hop and street dancing, but find it fascinating! You did an awesome job at explaining everything! I completely agree with your decision to include how well-supported certain dancers are and thus their injury risk as a factor in your rankings. The biggest reason I stopped doing tap was because of 2 left ankle injuries (tho only 1 was dance-related). It’s been 10 years since the 2nd injury, but my left ankle is still a little weaker than my right. Jumping and landing on your ankle instead of your foot is literally a dancer’s worst nightmare!
Ankle injuries must be tough for a tap dancer :/ but I'm really happy to hear how many different dance styles are represented in this comment section haha
I absolutely love these videos for the analysis part. it's hard definitively ranking these idols in dancing as they have such variety of dancing foundations, but these videos are so informative. thank you for your hard work!!
good on you for placing Hobi at #1. Jiminie is the easy choice to beat all the others for sure, but to my eye there's a clear distinction between him and Hoseok. no dancer is perfect! but for me, Hope's ability to blend with the group, maintain perfect control, and also execute amazing groove is what takes him to the next level. I DO love that this vid pointed out Jimin's background in street styles though, because his own stans pigeonhole him into this image of a contemporary specialist when he's really not. he's more of a jack-of-various-trades, as this video pointed out, and that's what makes his textures so cool. I'll have to check out Ni-ki more. he's impressive, especially for his age. personally, I love Yeonjun's dancing. his energy is incredible. he and Taehyun are my TXT biases. thanks for another great video.
Jungkook's approach is different from fourth gen idols cause he was partly trained/ guided by the legendary JHope himself... Hoseok has always adviced him to control his strength
Also, Jungkook isn't 4th gen - BTS is 3rd gen (even though they still dominate in 4th gen era) so of course their foundational style will be different. In many ways, they set the standard for 4th gen dance and choreo.
I absolutely love Hoseok but he had nothing to do with it. Jungkook was told by their choreographer that he couldn't express emotions well and looked bland. Which is why they sent him to L.A to train with professional dancers to help him improve and he did improve a looot. Just like Tae who got better over the years the same happened with jungkook. Obviously having talented dancers like jimin and hoseok around helps a lot too(rm and Jin are proof of that)
This ranking and analysis was so thoughtful and insightful! Seeing Hobi at the end, while not surprising (because he's so good at what he does!), was satisfying. I also really liked the highlights for Jay of ENHYPEN. He dances with a lot of heart, but historically, he's not usually thought of when people talk about ENHYPEN's main dance line - but credit is due where credit is due for sure. I love him and I can't wait to see how they as a group will grow! Thank you again for highlighting each idol's strengths and areas to improve on clearly - it was fun to watch :)
It's amazing how the best dancer and the weakest is on the same group. How can they manage their egos and do great on teamwork. Special shoutout for j-hope. 🔥 After watching his performances on Lollapalooza and MAMA, he's absolutely the best. THEE Jung Hoseok, everyone..
I honestly heaved a sigh of relief when I saw your analysis about Huening Kai bc I felt like I was crazy for noticing his hunched shoulders. Obviously he’s a good dancer-TXT’s dances are _hard_ and I applaud anyone who can do them with such vigor and accuracy-but I’ve been worried about Kai’s posture for a while now. Like you said, there’s a higher risk of injury. I also think the hunched look makes him look more awkward than the other members, part and parcel because he has naturally broader shoulders and a broader chest/torso than the others (That’s not a weight thing, that’s a bone structure/muscle placement/genetics thing) so it’s more noticeable when he hunches his shoulders. I hope this is something Kai improves upon in the future because he’s already a great dancer and fixing that would not only lower his risk of injury but really heighten his overall skills, and who wouldn’t want that? Edit: I forgot to mention, I wonder if part of the reason Kai hunches is less poor technique and potentially more so having been instructed previously to lower himself to height-match the others. TXT’s choreo involves a lot of group work and I find it rather interesting that the two tallest dancers of the team have height-based issues.
OMG finally quality content, most videos like this are copy of copy but you are one of the few that give a good explanation (in other videos people use a lot of technicalities but don't show any proof) and make an original analysis. Finally a ranking that puts Irene in 2nd place in Red Velvet and Sunoo not in last place in Enhypen, even I thought I was crazy for not matching with others opinions because I really enjoy watching them for the reasons you mention, also thanks for showing Jay's skills. Thanks for your hard work👏
I was just out of the bts hole but this took me right back in... Honestly it's completely insane how talented they are, especially 3j, and also appreciate taehyung bc like.. He's actually a good dancer his only sin is to be in a group with jeon "i've managed to accumulate all aspects of an Idol™ to the point that I am Thee Golden Standard, I've never been bad at anything physical, ever, and i will die before i'm proven otherwise", park "i will dance to all kinds of music and i am going to combine them in such a way that puts fear into God" jimin, and jung "my knowledge and skills in dance basics that i will use for fitting into and slaying every choreo that is put on this Earth are more stable than your sense of self, and also the whole perception of reality" hoseok. You can't compete (or keep up) with that. Anyways what i'm trying to say is i need 3j in a dance crew.
tae has been part of the dance line since 2018 for a good reason he is very very skilled. all seven of them being able to dance to so many vastly different choreos, keep up their work ethic when they r on top of the world and they have nothing to prove but still raise the bar level every time they perform is so admirable and inspiring about them and they have no ego when they go to practice. like yoongi getting hiphop lessons for idk how many months now starting off with the basics to grow/build a strong foundation for what he wants to do next with those skills. theyre not like "we r good already so there is no need to practice" but its more like we have to give 120% every time we r on stage so lets practice to not let the team, the audience who came to see us down and for us to know we gave it our all and have no regrets. no wonder they have one of the hardest choreos in the industry like yall r beasts on stage
I mentioned that already in your EXO video but will say it again - I appreciate your hard work on this so much!! You are literally what we’re missing in kpop, an educational content. There are plenty of song rankings, kpop opinions etc. but what this community really need are people who can taught us things. Thank you so much for sharing your experience and going out of your way to explain things like groove, popping… ❤ I was also wondering, at the end of the series - will you rank all the top dancers from those videos? (EXO, BTS, Seventeen, NCT etc.) Just curious, but I enjoy this series so much nevertheless. Thank you again!❤
i just love the way you word your videos in a good way, like as a jin biased girlie, ive seen so many people shit on him that it gets me so defensive, but your opinions are rarely biased (never even) and i just love how open you are
Go Jin! Lol. Seriously though he's my bias because he had zero experience when he started and he worked so hard to develop to a place where he wasn't holding the group back. The pressure must have been huge given the talent of the other members, and I admire him so much for his efforts as a singer and especially as a dancer
honestly I was so sad to see Kai and Soobin rank so low, but it totally makes sense after watching the whole video! I like all 3 groups here, I’ve been an army since 2013 and moa since 2019 so I’m familiar with all of their dancing skills and habits by now I honestly agree that taehyun is the second best dancer in txt after yeonjun recently, though this opinion is controversial I think taehyun is extremely good at dancing, he’s so controlled and can utilise power, strengths, and pops well! I feel that he should be higher in the list though, but I feel the top 5 is undeniable
Ranking by group (addition positions and divising by number of members) : Best group ENHYPEN 8,8 - second BTS= 9,7 - third TXT = 12 Enhypen being the youngest group with the better ranking overall: Futur of kpop indeed
I’m not an expert in dancing but you explain everything so well that even when I start watching the video I’m always like " oh it’s way too long I’m just gonna see the ranking and only read analysis for the members that I know ( since I don’t really stan a lot of boysgroup) but I always end watching the whole video and be so focused on the analysis ( more than the actual ranking btw)that I’m suprised when the video ends . Ps: sorry for my bad english it’s not my first language
I’ve been saying this for a long time so I’m happy someone finally agrees, that jay is top 3 in enhypen. I’ve been so impressed by him ever since I got into enhypen, because of his musicality, groove, and his insane improv skills. Tysm for putting him so high, and thank you for a wonderful explain as to why
I appreciate your analysis. I'd love to see you analyze Suga's new Haegeum dance practice video. Between recovering from surgery and taking dance lessons to re-learn the basics, I think his dancing has really changed, but I don't have the knowledge to exactly describe what I'm seeing. I loved his understated swagger in Run BTS and thought it was a deliberate choice that suited him well. Other than that, most of the examples we have are him with chronic pain interfering.
I really liked this analysis as someone who is a fan of all three groups. My ult group is Enhypen and I am pleasantly suprised to see 5/9 of Enhypen in the top 10. It's kinda crazy how good they all are considering I've seen so many rankings where Heeseung, Jay, Sunghoon, and Jungwon all rotate between the 2nd-5th placements. They're all so young and I've noticed that Sunghoon especially has really improved from earlier comebacks to now. No wonder Enhypen doesn't have fixed positions, it would've been so difficult to decide the dance line.
Hey loved the video, I always like when experts dumb things down for us general public😅...It always boggles my mind how bts even with members with such a gap in skill level make their performances so synchronized and a delight to watch.. As a non-dancer what rm and jin do is a miracle to me. You mentioned that jin has learnt to blend in, I'm curious how can one do that? How does one learn that? Also I've a suggestion for a future video. Centers in kpop: I'd love to see your opinion on this, what do you think are the skills required? Or what should be or are the parameters in selecting? Is dance the only consideration? Logically it makes sense to put the best dancer in center but that's not always the case.
oooh i second the opinion on a video about centers! i'm ofc not op, but in my opinion, the best center would be the member who's personal style best matches with the style/vibe/required execution of the choreo the group is given. in these groups i think it's widely accepted that the centers are Jungkook-bts, yeonjun-txt, heeseung-enhypen. bts has the most diverse styles implemented into their choreos, so it makes sense that someone with a very balanced execution like jungkook is their center. txt's choreos are very expressive and animated, definitely one of yeonjun's strongsuit. and enhypen is probably one of the few groups that benefit from their choreography looking hard af and there's no one like heeseung who can make a two-step look like it takes a lot of power lol so his super controlled and tension-based style actually works in his favor.
I enjoyed your ranking, but I’d say it’s usually Jimin who does the stunts in BTS. I find it interesting how Taemin, Jimin and Taeyong have the exact same height and weight measurements. Same with Jongup who recently caught extra attention recently. I would love to see a video talking about different body types. Like Shonwu could never be the type of dancer Jimin or Taemin is. But Yoo Taeyang and Kai who are taller seem to be somewhat similar. I would also love videos on more “forgotten” top Kpop dancers like Astro Rocky. He’s known for people who’re really into Kpop dancing, but many only know Cha Eunwoo and not the group. Kang Daniel is also ignored by many int Kpop fans. And what about TBZ Juyeon and Q? PTG Kino? How do they compare? TBZ are well known for their high level dance performances. And of course B.I. Verivery is “famous” for their extreme synchronization, how good are their main dancer?
OMG that's sounds very interesting, because people do take inconsideration about someone's height especially towards tall dancers because I tend to hear dancers say how it's harder for taller people to look fluid and stuff like that, but is it the same towards shorter people??. And this creator doesn't just do popular or new idols, they have talked about 1st-2nd gen idol and idols that aren't in big companies or in popular groups🎉. So I do hope they make videos about them.
@@facts_in_fiction Two years ago? Jimin shared his measurements as 1.74m and 58 kg. It was during Dynamite promotions. He’s stated that he prefers a weight under 60 kg for dancing, though “off season” he’s probably about 62-63(?). In some of SuperM promotions Taeyong said he’s 1.74 58 kg and Taemin said he was too skinny, but then admitted having the exact same measurements himself. I’d say it’s likely that these are their true measurements and not just “official”. Many of the young idols often have a even lower BMI for example 1.80, 60 kg, but many gain some weight as they grow older and become more established(might not be a reason). They do work incredibly hard as trainees and rookies, though, so that might explain their low weight. No body shaming or anything, but obviously your body proportions matter when it comes to both ascetics and which abilities you focus on. During their rookie days Jimin was more muscular, but as he started utilizing his contemporary style more, he seems to prefer a slimmer physique.
I can't believe I watched the whole 46 minutes at three am in the morning 😳 but anyways, it was a great analysis, and I really learned more details of their separate dances, so thanks for that!
For what it's worth, I adore Heuningkai and love to watch him on stage and I still think you're spot on. Furthermore, I think he'd agree with you here (and kind of wish he could see this, because I don't want him to get hurt). He's talked about wishing he'd started dancing earlier. It amazes me that his stage presence and performance abilities let him be so captivating when he dances even when he's not technically strong. He'll struggle through dance practice and then as soon as there's an audience it's like magic.
Such an interesting and refreshing take where you really managed to give detailed examples and insights into techniques and styles. I agree with all your points and think I have very similar preferences to you when it comes to dance form! I especially enjoyed seeing the analysis of Enhypen as I’m not as familiar with them but knew enough to have had initial preferences during performances I had seen. Jay’s style made him stand out less to me in something like Drunk-Dazed (although his general stage presence still caught my eye) but suddenly blow me away in Paradoxxx. Also feel like the tension that some dancers have has such a polarising effect on general opinion of their skill. I certainly find that it can put me off in some cases but create amazing visuals in others. It was also fun to guess who was coming next in the rankings!! Have subscribed and can’t wait to see more videos like this in future. Thank for all the effort you put into these ❤ P.s. also it’s a huge credit to your balanced and evidence based perspective that the comments from fans of each group can see your point of view without taking personal offence on behalf of their own bias!
4:25 This might actually be an issue related to his stage presence too. EverGlow-Up mentioned that in her BTS/EXO/MONSTA X/ATEEZ stage presence. She has made a stage presence archetype system and so far, every idol fit in somewhere on it, but RM didn't. She said that his performance style changes multiple times throughout his performance, sometimes even multiple times in seconds between all possible types.
It is hard for me to rank Jimin and J-hope, all I want to say that definitely both of them can be seen as professional dancers and it is really unfair to have such a powerhouses in one group for other groups. I hope we can see another duo choreography for them, that justice their each own style.
I love Jay dance style so much 😍 Yup Jay with hip hop is on the top. Jay such a versatile artist how he sing with his honey voice beautifully, and now i need Jay rapper 💖
i love watching your videos because you give the best and most understandable explanations even for someone who has no experience of dancing. also i'm very happy that you appreciate jay's skills!
I personally think Jungwon should be a little up high because of his excellent skills but It is accepted that his arm movements are a bit stiff, So proud of niki tho
OP clearly stated his/her basis so I'm not really surprised on the ranking. I appreciate the analysis on points I didn't notice before. Also, I keep in mind that their development as a dancer will be heavily influenced by their choreo & performance directors, concept, the song itself, & their experimentation in their music, which means that in correct setting, any member can shine, which should make us very excited given that TXT and Enhypen are still on the young side. As for their techniques, the members are continuously attending lessons, so let's have faith on their hardwork. We may not completely agree on this ranking, but it should be okay. When more of their music comes out, ranks will change too, but also doesn't mean that we need to rank them each comeback they have. Let's enjoy their music, & stream their MVs! I enjoy Enhypen music more so I will only comment about them. As much as we acknowledge the power and control of other members, I dont see any problem acknowledging Jay as the best hiphop dancer in the group. He really stands out especially in hiphop bounce. This I think adds so much flavor to the group, just like Sunoo's sunshine charm & Sunghoon's elegance. That's why to me Enhypen is such a powerhouse as a group and individually. They are coherent, & at the same time dynamic & not boring. Jay, dance-wise on its own, is a strong dancer that's why he can command attention with his stage presence, expressions, charisma, & personal dancing attitude. Especially on the dancing attitude, I can also recall so many Sunoo and Jake moments in their center parts although they are ranked lower here. But as we know, power, control, flow, etc. are all different. To me personally, rather than focusing on groove or power, I want them to develop their execution, that is their ability to execute moves safely without hurting themselves in the short run or long run, and of course stamina. As a fan, I always wish that none of them gets injured or sick especially during a comeback, concerts or tours. So yeah, stan Enhypen for clearer skin! P.S. Jay's hiphop style in dance, his groove and flow, are the main reasons why I am getting desperate to see him actually rapping. Imagine the overflowing swag and charisma of Rapper Jay matched with his freestyle dance!!!!
The thing I really like about Beomgyu's dancing is how elegant and unique to himself it is, even though we know that TXT were mostly trained for hiphop and similar styles, and this is most noticeable in Taehyun's skills
You have no idea how happy I am with this video. i've been waiting and it felt like ages 😭 Please do Hybe girlgroups next I feel like newjeans are a lot better than people give credit for.
Jay is really talented, I feel like there are some similarities between his approach and strengths with those of a couple Seventeen members (Vernon or Woozi, maybe Dino?), so I definitely think he could become as much of a great dancer in the future
j-hope is a complete dancer. He could do any style even though he prefer hiphop dance. He has the best control of his body and could be artistically emotive when it is needed.
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I'm not sure it came across, but between Jimin and Jhope I meant to say that both have technical "weaknesses" that they turn into strengths in terms of artistry.
Next I really want to make the video on Taemin - if you have videos that aren't official dance practices or super well known, feel free to link them (though I do think I'm familiar with a lot). It will be about the reasons his dancing is extremely well received, so the format and topics will be a bit different from this type of video
(Also I'm sorry about the inconvenience with reading and watching at the same time, I'll try to avoid it for my shorter videos)
Yes please! I can’t wait for the Taemin video. He’s my fav dancer by far and I’d like to see in which aspects do you think he could improve, taking into account his artistry. Also the styles are very different between SHINee superm and his solo choreo.
Can we send links under this comment, or would it be better to do a direct message? And even tho Taemins video might be different format I hope you also talk about his struggles, ik he's amazing but he has to have some weaknesses(either from the past or recent) 🤣
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One of the few covers he's done, I love how well he executes the choreo and does it the same as a gg member
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Sorry for how short it is,they cut off his freestyle when he wasn't even done :(
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One of my fav Want performance due to the first 20 second of the song🤣
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He choreographed this and has a different version for his Arena Tour in Japan. Both are really good.
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I love how he's feeling the music in this concert
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@@LiaBraedt yea taemin 2012-2015 resonant up to Bb4/B4 he was AA-P same level as onew and baekhyun, but now he only resonates up to G#4, but hes still AA, the strongest sub vocalist (SHINee) and vocalist who has a main dancer position (SuperM) in kpop currently
1. th-cam.com/video/yLtgAJ5cGqE/w-d-xo.html the camerawork is annoying but I still like this Drip Drop stage
2. th-cam.com/video/3a3x0HXxDNI/w-d-xo.html in the dance practice I've seen used in some analysis it's not actually taemin dancing, so here's the performance with him
3. th-cam.com/video/JIuquo8i7oM/w-d-xo.html it's not a title track and it doesn't have a dance practice so it could fit into not super well known
4. th-cam.com/video/CEpOJ8jaGS8/w-d-xo.html "vroom vroom" fancam where he stands out a lot both due to sp and execution. Some love it, some say it's because he doesn't fit in superm
5. th-cam.com/video/qLdK46e-TGc/w-d-xo.html another superm fancam that shows the same thing. starts at around 2 minute mark
6. th-cam.com/video/yL7Sh4REC5k/w-d-xo.html a performance of Famous just because it's great, also please watch the dance practice if you by chance haven't
7. th-cam.com/video/V_uzsDLjCf0/w-d-xo.html idk how useful it is for judging technique, but it's an unusual choreography
I hope this helps, I'll be happy to see your opinion about Taemin! I find that people either die on the hill that he's the absolute best of all time in kpop, which is a bit disingenuous if we're honest, or dismiss him entirely because they're put off by the praise, they find that only his stage presence lives up to the fame, or just don't personally like his specific style and therefore don't give him the due credit.
Ni-ki being on the 3rd place while being 17years old is sooo....... i can't wait to see him improve even more
yesss thats what i was saying
I hope so, it feels like so many old idols dance skills have somehow been getting worse
@@cellular7881 Yes i agree
What I adore about Ni-ki is that you can feel he loves dancing. He doesn't stick to one genre, he just loves it all as long as he can move his body to the music. He wants to try everything, he wants to be good at everything. If you ask him about who is his favourite member in other groups, it'd be obviously the main dancer 😂
Can you imagine that his first hiphop class was already in Belift as a trainee? But people assume he learnt it at very young age because he does it so well.
Another thing that catches my attention is how his dancing didn't have regress despite growing like 20 cm in 3 years. Usually the dancers are on the shorter side and tall members look awkward dancing but he's 183 cm and I always see knetz being surprised how someone this tall dances so well and look so light. I was worried that him growing so tall will affect his dancing but he's still as amazing as the first time I saw him.
yes poor baby talked about how hard it was in his bones and how he could cry from how much they would hurt and hoped that he would stop growing lol. but i agree! i think it's great that niki smartly chose to center his style around fluidity as it's an execution that looks great on ppl with long limbs. you can really see his personal stylistic inflections whenever he covers riehata choreos! she's got basically the opposite body type to him so even though the movements are the same during his covers, his style is so different! and i mean the kid grew up with a michael jackson shrine in his childhood home, he's been working towards this dream for over 10 years despite his young age! truly a gem in the industry, i can't wait to see his growth as an artist!
Very well said!!! Ni-ki honestly is a Prodigy dancer! He’s born with this talent ❤
He even try to manage the angle of his body when he try to dance with other group. When he try to dance with &team and Jimin, their angle really similar
Jay is honestly such a good dancer I wonder why people don’t recognize his style. I think we can all agree that jay owns hip hop style dancing in enhypen
Perfectly!!
my assumption is that because most enhypen choreos are better suited for heeseung/jungwon/niki's strengths, their skills get to shine more. plus since enhypen is known for 'powerful performance,' the members who can deliver powerful executions will typically get more chances to shine (like how even though jake is not the most technically refined, he had a lot of solo parts this award season bc of his strong core and body tension). jay (and sunoo to an extent) has a much more effortless style, which is very hard to accomplish but a lot of enhypen's choreo isn't suited to show off his strength (except paradoxxx, he definitely shined the most there imo). i do think as enhypen progress in their careers and diversify their styles more, jay will be able to show off his talent in hip hop more!
@@nightingale4786 that makes a lot of sense thanks
Jay's dance body gesture movement is really stunning fine. I'm feel glade enough he got #6 in here ranking. he is very cool.
Jay moves like a hip-hop dancer when he's not even dancing 😁
your analysis of how j-hope takes his upper-body hunch/tension limitations and turns it into a defining feature of a consistent, through-line dance character (I’m loosely paraphrasing) was genuinely fascinating and so brilliant. thank you for putting words to a thing I understood but couldn’t explain. I think non-dancer people sometimes (first of all, I am people, second of all this is a broad strokes comment so it may not apply to everyone!) kind of overlook his actual skill - in part because he has the training to make everything look easy and effortless, and when he gets specific spotlight, like in the dna dance break at the end where he’s center, he leans into the goofy of it all. It took me a while to realize that the goofy comes from his body positioning (and also how like. powerful and radiant his joy while dancing can be, and also his curated, sunshine idol image), and not from any kind of lack of technical skill, emotion, or musicality.
You actually worded this better than I did lol
@@facts_in_fiction thank you, although I wouldn’t have been able to explain it well if you hadn’t pointed it out in the first place!!
I don't understand what is meant by "goofy"? That makes it sound like it's comedic or ridiculous looking. There's nothing "goofy" about his dancing.
sometimes i forget that ni-ki is 17, he is already that good at such a young age
makes me wonder how far he can go
BTS: has a good teamwork and stage presence is insane, their presence alone can take the stage
TXT: so expressive with movements, they use a lot of arms and bouncy movements, they are more flowy
Enha: for me has the intricate formations and they use a lot of arms and footwork, big movements that reaches far
I'm so proud Ni-ki is top 3 here, I have been saying in Iland that his the best dancer among the group as you can see he already developed a good foundation of ballet, jazz, hiphop which is easier for his to branch out with other genre. If he will be trained more with other stuff he will surely a great asset of hybe and enha.
Me too, Niki is my bias since i-land days.❤
Ni-Ki is amazing he’s only 17 and is one of hybe best dancers!!
Jimin & Jhope are the best duo main dancers 🙌🏼 Their combined skills are on another level and when they get to dance alone together, it's so satisfying to watch (boy meets evil/lie stage) They keep each other balanced and I love to see it :)
Yes. Their boy meets evil is one of my fav stages...😍😍
It's funny how JAY is recognized by professionals for his singing and dancing yet so underrated by engenes. Thank you for this video :).
unfortunately this is true... recognized by professionals and people who are not from his fandom but not from those who claim to be engene😶
@@Eva-yu9po very disheartening to see :(
yes for jay, it is always the non engene appreciate him more
His vocals stood out to me even before i knew his name. But when i joined the fandom i was surprised how overlooked he was by the longtime 'fans'. Probably still stuck on i-land narrative?
Then tell this to engenes lol
Thanks for putting Jay as the second best Enhypen dancer he's sooooooo underrated when it comes to dancing
as an engene, i appreciate how insightful this was. i agree that enhypen's "lead dancer" line are relatively close together in terms of avergae skill, and it's difficult to completely quantify them into a ranking because their styles differ so much. i also liked the things you pointed out for jay, i really hadn't given much thought to his dancing until now
Jay is such an underrated dancer for me. I watched him perform in drunk-dazed and I was astounded. He dances so cleanly and it gives him his own signature. I’m also really excited to see how far Ni-ki goes. He’s still a kid, but he can still keep up with people with years upon years of experience. He’s on track to becoming the next Taemin
Enhypen has an awesome dance line, so young but promising!
Imagine them in a few years, they would be more experienced and their skills would be more improved
@@CookiesNCream-ne9nithey r future of kpop..😌😌
Finally an analysis that gives J-Hope his well-deserved flowers! I feel like people often overlook it, sometimes it's mere basic preference or ignorance (as in literally, not the insult) about the skills involved, but sometimes it's purely out of snobbish reasons, because street styles (and here I'm talking on a very vast level, not just limited to BTS) are generally more looked down upon when you have contemp or classical influences in the same room, so people forget to look at the overall picture of dancing skillset and expression offered if it all comes from a street base. So yeah, it was refreshing to see Hobi in that first place. He's an amazing dancer with a vast array of skills which he knows how to use very purposefully while feeling super natural.
As for Yoongi, personally I would've put him a bit higher even before his Haegum dance practice dropped, but that's something to agree to disagree on lol
I hope I managed to explain my thoughts well, this isn't my mother language.
Like the comment, but I would say thankfully people don't seem to be just writing off or thinking less of street dance styles, atleast not from what I have seen. Actually I have seen lots of people that are becoming more aware of how hard and intense the skills, and techniques of these street dance styles, such as popping, tuting, locking, crump, etc... And I for one am happy that more and more people are realizing this and giving the dancers their due credit, etc....
@@sinevins yeah, but as you said, are becoming more aware - as in as of late, as in it's not the norm, although things are getting better
I'm sorry if this comes off rude but idk what dance analysis you have seen to think Hobi is underappreciated lol. I have been an ARMY for 9 years and watched/read A LOT of analysis on BTS dancing and Hobi is placed as #1 99% of the time so I am confused on where you got the idea he was underappreciated or underrated when its always been the general consensus he is amazing? I think some of yall confuse less popularity for a lack of appreciation. Jimin is more popular and so you might hear more praise on his dancing but the fandom majority has always agreed Hobi is #1. The choreographer has said it, the company has said it and BTS themselves always say he is their #1 and its obvious how respected he is as the dance leader. There was even a time where it was forbidden to even have a personal preference where Hobi isnt #1 and iv seen the fandom tear into ppl who say Jimin or JK is best countless times. Idk if its because a lot of yall are new but recently some Hobi stans are under the impression the fandom does not appreciate Hobi's dance skills and its absolutely baffling cos all the evidence suggests otherwise. Was there a particular thing that triggered this like a bad analysis or is it cos yall see Jimin getting praised more? cos im starting to think its the latter...
This is legitimately flawless English bruh
@@kuroneko8343 I haven't been a fan quite as long as you, but I will say that it does seem as though Jimin gets far more praise for his dancing than Hobi gets on a day to day basis. Yes, many will say that Hobi is and always has been number 1, but there are so many solo Jimin stans that Hobis dance and overall talent gets pushed aside alot. Hobi gets pushed aside as a rapper, as a vocalist, and frequently as a dancer, not to mention the crap comments about his appearance.
So, yeah, it's great to see him once in awhile get praised as the best! He deserves it!
J-hope’s dance is magnificent. Even his consistency is crazy. He has is all at the finest level 🔥
Loved this analysis. It highlighted to me how much tension bothers me in dancers and I've always felt it but couldn't find the word for what wasn't connecting even when everything LOOKED good but the difference between Yeonjun and Jungkook/Jimin was like night and day! That release is SO important and adds sooooo much dynamics.
Jay was higher on the list that I thought BUT your point about how he is during harder hitting choreo in the title tracks makes sense why he's never stood out to me during dance practice reactions. I already KNEW J-hope would be numero uno!! A beast.
Also RM looked great in his clip, I actually was pleasantly surprised by how effortlessly, connected and detailed his movements were.
First of all, I would like to say that you are one of my favorite TH-camrs who does reactions and always speaks fairly and honestly, regardless of whether you are favorable toward an individual in a group. Whenever I watch your Enhypen dance practice videos, I always say to myself that Jay is a better dancer than you think, because he does not shine that much in their title tracks, but in their B-Side tracks and Dance Jams ("Dance Jam" is when they are doing live freestyle or just dancing to music), he stands out more. And to be honest, a lot of fans (including myself at one point) think he's not that good of a dancer (overlooked or underappreciated), but then professionals always commend him for his dancing.
@@joshonly1213 Thank you very much! Yeahh I've definitely been sleeping on Jay!
I know! Thanks for mentioning it because RM stood out to me too...that guy has improved incredibly over the past 10 years. I like OP analysis and agree...yet truly, he has a lot of dance moments that are breathtaking
J-Hope is a genius dancer. Talking about his dance has always been interesting to me!
His techniques and skills are so honed and the way he conveys his feeling through dance is just so mesmerizing. You will never find a single iota of pain or struggle in him, he has never slacked. Hobi is an ace in almost every style which without a doubt would make him an elusive open-style dancer as well. Two qualities that I find unreachable about him are isolation (& body control) and the way he is "balanced" in the best way possible *every single time* he is dancing! Whether it's between groove/sharpness or energy, he utilizes the best position. (In addition, his "blue check" challenge with Jay Park has to be the personification of groove!)
He has it all; techniques & skills, positional awareness, experience, consistency, posture, angles, passion, core strength and stamina (as a plus point), fluidity, variety, versatility, dance line, bodyline, body control & etc his freestyle is insane too. Everything he showed as "freestyle" esp in recent years is only his warm-up sessions (He usually does 1 hr of joint and isolation warm-up before the actual practice.) so even these videos are not enough to evaluate his great freestyle skills in the other hand!
He is simply excellent. The only flaw is that he is not a show-off !! That's it! He has never shown off his dance in any mean (BTS choreographies don't do justice to him moreover). Hopefully, we will get more of his dance in the coming-up year. I'm rooting for it, his dance is a blessing to the eyes.
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👌👌 Very well explained and I too hope that jhope shows off his dance.... it would be epic...🤩🤩🤩
Omg yes! We will wait for his project 'hope on the street'!!
"more of his dance in the coming up year" frend..... :/// we r gonna see him in october 2024
@@user-vv7hc7kb5o Well maybe only ask me and I will nicely inform you? He himself said he has hope on the street dance project which will be released around the end of 2023.
omg i thought i was the only one to notice how sunghoon sometimes slows down a movement, and honestly, it looks good! he makes hard moves look easy and his posture is always so good. and thank you for showing jay's strengths, not many notice how great of a dancer he is.
Enhypen being the youngest group here and having 5 of their members in the top 9 is mind blowing. Their skills are so amazing!! All of these groups are such good dancers too, I can't wait to see more improvements from them all and more styles from them!
That's impressive however not surprising. Enhypen is a dance centered group so it is kind of expected. They are hella talented too.
Ikr!
Thanks for your analysis about their dancing. I'm so proud of Ni-ki! He is so amazing every time he dances he is always the best of the best and pillar of enhypen performance. I've never seen any idol who can use their head,hair&neck better when dancing other than ni-ki. That means he is using all his body from bottom to the top very beautifully. He is my 1st pick from all the kpop dancers.
This video really proves how much good enhypen is to have the title 'the best dance line' because each one of them are really good dancers (esp Ni-ki). And I love how they have different styles of dance but still manages to make the choreographies better. They are really good!!!
Crazy how J-hope arguably had the least showcase among any top dancer idols of the kpop, yet no one can overlook how outstanding his skills are. Just waiting for the day he shows himself off finally 🔥
His dance documentary, Hope on the street, is coming in 2024 👀
The amount of time and effort that must have gone into making this video! I love these longer breakdowns of yours. As a beginning dancer myself it’s also so useful to see examples and explanations of technique, groove and balance like this. ^^
just discovered enhypen and jay's style is really my style. j-hope is my fave and i watch a lot of yeonjun fancams too. they all really shine ❤
JAY is my favourite dancer I love watching his fancams his stage presence is insane .
Truee.. he is charismaticc🤩 I love his dance style and he has strong stage presence🔥
OMG third place for Ni-ki, He is an amazing dancer
Yes, Jhope taking the first place as he should... His dancing is what got me into kpop. Thank you for this video! I've just found your channel the other day and I'm getting so much inspiration to dance. It would also be awesome to see more detailed analyses of individual dancers or dance lines (not necessarily in a ranking format).
Agreed on wanting more detailed analyses of individual dancers or dance lines! :D
Taehyun is really an underrated dancer. He's a powerful and precise dancer and I think hip hop style is his. Considering that in TXT song his vocal parts are always the most difficult one with high notes, adlibs and harmonization, I'm always so impressed by his vocal stability and great dancing skills. Probably, if he will have a solo dance stage (without thinking to the singing part), he will show us even other aspects of his dancing and flow he has.
Yeonjun may be TXT's center but Taehyun is their ACE. Mans can do almost everything perfectly. This, plus being the most intelligent and dry-humor member? What a gem.
Jay's dancing caught my attention immediately! Imagine my surprise when I found out he's one of the underrated dancers in enhypen...
i was never that into boy groups so i never knew heeseung danced that well? 😮 i casually go through videos in twt/shorts/tiktok and so far all ive seen of him was singing so i only ever recognized him as a good singer. this was a pleasant surprise to me hahaha
He is a very good rapper too and play multiple instruments. He is call the ACE for good reason...
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He's an all rounder
As a street dancer myself I love watching these videos to see others opinions, but also it helps me improve myself by taking away some improvements that I could use. Thanks for the great video :D
I’m pretty surprised by V’s improvement. I stopped following BTS during the years when he seemed to be working really hard on his dancing, so it was a shock seeing his current skill in the last few releases
7:29 the way I gasped when I saw the angle his ankle was in 😭
Also YES THANK YOU. JAY IS SUCHHH A GOOD DANCER I CANT BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO THINK HES JUST AVERAGE OR NOT AS GOOD. like BFR have y’all seen this man-
I will never be not surprised at just how complicated of dances these idols can pull off while looking good, even if they aren’t the strongest dancers…
Not the ranking I expected but love the commentary. Niki is amazing and fully deserved
The master jhope be at the top 👏. Hybe have such amazing dancers in all three groups. For me jay, niki and yeonjun look very promising if they develop their styles and techniques even more.
For engenes: ❤
8:44 Jake
9:51 Sunoo
16:34 Sunghoon
18:38 Jungwon (this surprised me the most 😭 but I respect their assessment)
20:45 Heeseung
24:29 Jay
35:15 Ni-Ki ❤
i was surprised too seing jungwons rank hoho
Thanksss
The reason why I watched this video was not for the ranking which they gave (ranking is very subjective) but more for their dancing analysis which I agreed with respect to members whose fancam I watch often and it really made sense to me.
Me too.. But people have their own analysis .. And Also enhypen Have their Own Style on Dancing,Just choose who you like..
But theres something makes nosense for me ,When Jungwon Dancing pass the mic why the kreator Put Hoshi ?I meanHoshi didn't even In category ,why He not Comparing Jungwon dance with Ni-ki heeseung or Jay who are Rank Higher than Jungwon.. Also he not put Footwork,Fluidity ,versatility ,Torso moves,body Control ...Idk,There a lot Of Category if you want to Rank someone dance for me..
I totally strongly agree with these rankings, except the last two. I personally would flip Jake and Sunoo.
It is a confidence thing at this point, and Jake has far more confidence and presence than Sunoo. While technically I see them as quite equal.
Happy to see J-Hope getting recognized for his talents. For me Hobi moves like liquid and is so striking with every beat/pose he hits. Hes so in tune with every part of his body and rides the musicality of any song so naturally and with a strong persona so my eye always goes straight to him in any BTS dance performance. I just get so much joy watching him dance, he really gives me life and motivation its crazy 😊💜💜💜
I love how you pointed out the tension in some of their dancing. In some ways I like to see the tension, its endearingly try-hard and you see a lot of that in younger groups. They're really focusing on synchro and not messing up. Its kind of the opposite of where BTS are at now. Watching them dance is also a treat for the opposite reason, theyre confident and relaxed, they arent as worried about getting things perfect and have moved towards showing individual style so much more in the last few years. The synchronization is still there but their personalities, skills, and texture shine. ALSO, I feel like we're seeing TXT move a little more towards individual style and greater performance confidence, which is cool to see.
Ever since niki debuted, he just kept improving to the point where i think he's the best 4th gen dancer. Hes just too good, a prodigy and adance genius in all aspects
Thank you for pointing out jay’s skills + this is not the first time a professional dance analyst compliments him, a Japanese analyst did the same for Fever. It’s cool how it’s always professionals with solid reasons are the one who give him high rankings.. ty again
what video was this may i ask
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Your analysis on Jimin was something I've never seen before, he really does take from a lot of styles. I would argue however he is most comfortable and looks most complete in modern dancing with contemporary elements (like with the Black Swan solo and SBS Daejun 2016)
I think he said recently that his favorite was the I Need U in white, which fits your theory 😁
I find it so interesting how a lot of these things you explain are things even I, a non-dancer, can "feel" instinctively. Obviously a lot of the intricacies are lost on someone who doesn't know better, but throughout this video I had a lot of lightbulb moments from you putting things that I only had a vague impression of into words - particularly why exactly Hueningkai comes across as somewhat awkward to me with his neck, or what you said about Jungkook's execution being textbook (something I'd already put into words, although I don't have the skills to explain what exactly about his moves makes it come across that way). I think it really goes to show the power of expression of dance, that even someone like me can instinctively understand that, say, Jungkook doing a more emotional choreography isn't having the same emotional impact as Jimin doing one, even if I can't explain why. Which is why I love dancers actually diving into the "why" and giving me more tools to understand dance as an art form!
Although I will say, like with any skill, learning more about it and just how much details go into it is a bit overwhelming and makes me feel entirely lost as to how to gain those skills :') guess it's time for me to cough up money for lessons huh
yes yes yes!!! big agree with all of this
I see many people underestimate Jay's dancing skills
He is a great dancer. He is so good when it comes to hip hop...he is smooth with the moves and he has the swag
So true... I love his style of dancing. More relax and his groove itself.
Frrr he's so underrated it's insane
Truee.
He is an amazinng dancer and when is hip hop he is on another level❤️🔥
Anyways Jay is an all rounder💫🤩
He shines the most in hip hop especially in paradoxxx invasion the last chorus part, I'm obsessed with his moves
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He OWNED paradoxxx invasion 😭🔥
So glad you mentioned j-hope and the recent funk style dances being. He shone SO BRIGHTLY in those choreos, his groove was incredible and I kept finding new little adjustments to the choreo that he does to add flavor. Hes incredibly fun to watch, just makes things look so easy haha
As an ex-dancer with background in Ballet, Hip-hop, tap dance...I loved this intricate analysis. You were spot on ..I wouldn't put Kai so low, because honestly, Suga has strong tension in his arm movements that limits his lines. But we'll done
The sad thing is that there is a 70% chance that this tension is because of the accident he had pre-debut. Suga said that he couldn't even fully lift his arm up and that he has been in tremendous pain before he did the surgery. He was quite the good dancer pre-sebut and you can tell that he did b-boying before which is why it is such a bummer that he was held back from improving because of the injury...
@@multifan6679 he has been taking hip-hop lessons and we're gonna see him dancing for a D-Day song, i'm excited to see how much he improved since That That which was already sooo good
Thank you for your analysis on jay's strength as a dancer! He's pretty underrated in the fandom, it's nice to see a less biased perspective breaking down what makes him one of the best dancers in enha
I love all three groups so this was totally informative and cool to watch! When I saw you're ranking/analysis of Huening Kai I was sad he was so low but could totally understand. Whenever I watch TXT choreo, I always feel that he is hunching down because he's tall, I know other tall people who do that and I wonder if it's something he also does away from the stage. But I loved how you pointed out the pros and cons of each person. Thanks for doing this!
The thing is, I don't think Heuningkai would disagree or be offended or hurt by this, you know? He works so hard at dance but it's really challenging for him, that's not a secret. And he absolutely makes up for it in sheer performance artistry.
I really love how the long-limbed floppy puppy we see offstage transforms into this electric, controlled, measuring performance onstage. Just watching his physicality it can be hard to believe he's the same person 😂
I’m so glad u mentioned that when it comes to Jhope and Jimin it’s usually a matter of taste and perspective😂 anytime I got into discussion about who was the best between them I just could not choose. I do contemporary, majorette, popping and basically just anything under the hip hop umbrella so as I dancer I relate to both of them a lot. Every time i try to compare them I find new things that I think one of them does better. I usually just rank by their specific performances. Like who was the best in danger or black swan.
Literally binged all your videos after I found your channel yesterday and I’m a huge BTS fan, so this was a really nice treat! I’m a former tap dancer of 9 years (currently I mostly do square dancing, which is an entirely different thing!), with some minor experience in ballet, contemporary, and jazz. I have very little experience w/hip hop and street dancing, but find it fascinating! You did an awesome job at explaining everything! I completely agree with your decision to include how well-supported certain dancers are and thus their injury risk as a factor in your rankings. The biggest reason I stopped doing tap was because of 2 left ankle injuries (tho only 1 was dance-related). It’s been 10 years since the 2nd injury, but my left ankle is still a little weaker than my right. Jumping and landing on your ankle instead of your foot is literally a dancer’s worst nightmare!
Ankle injuries must be tough for a tap dancer :/ but I'm really happy to hear how many different dance styles are represented in this comment section haha
The fact that the lowest ranked dancers are all still incredible shows how talented HYBE artists are in performance
Jay’s ranking here makes me very happy! He has got a natural affinity for dancing. I hope he adds more skills to it and keeps on improving.
I absolutely love these videos for the analysis part. it's hard definitively ranking these idols in dancing as they have such variety of dancing foundations, but these videos are so informative. thank you for your hard work!!
seconded!! although I am still not a dancer, I think you do exceptional work, OP
good on you for placing Hobi at #1. Jiminie is the easy choice to beat all the others for sure, but to my eye there's a clear distinction between him and Hoseok. no dancer is perfect! but for me, Hope's ability to blend with the group, maintain perfect control, and also execute amazing groove is what takes him to the next level.
I DO love that this vid pointed out Jimin's background in street styles though, because his own stans pigeonhole him into this image of a contemporary specialist when he's really not. he's more of a jack-of-various-trades, as this video pointed out, and that's what makes his textures so cool.
I'll have to check out Ni-ki more. he's impressive, especially for his age.
personally, I love Yeonjun's dancing. his energy is incredible. he and Taehyun are my TXT biases.
thanks for another great video.
I luv Ni-ki's dances❤️👑🔥
Jungkook's approach is different from fourth gen idols cause he was partly trained/ guided by the legendary JHope himself... Hoseok has always adviced him to control his strength
Also, Jungkook isn't 4th gen - BTS is 3rd gen (even though they still dominate in 4th gen era) so of course their foundational style will be different. In many ways, they set the standard for 4th gen dance and choreo.
I absolutely love Hoseok but he had nothing to do with it. Jungkook was told by their choreographer that he couldn't express emotions well and looked bland. Which is why they sent him to L.A to train with professional dancers to help him improve and he did improve a looot. Just like Tae who got better over the years the same happened with jungkook. Obviously having talented dancers like jimin and hoseok around helps a lot too(rm and Jin are proof of that)
Im so proud of all enhypen members (esp niki)
Heeseung is talented in every aspect he's all rounder for sure
Jay deserves more appreciation! He's a great dancer, I'm very proud of him❤
This ranking and analysis was so thoughtful and insightful! Seeing Hobi at the end, while not surprising (because he's so good at what he does!), was satisfying. I also really liked the highlights for Jay of ENHYPEN. He dances with a lot of heart, but historically, he's not usually thought of when people talk about ENHYPEN's main dance line - but credit is due where credit is due for sure. I love him and I can't wait to see how they as a group will grow! Thank you again for highlighting each idol's strengths and areas to improve on clearly - it was fun to watch :)
It's amazing how the best dancer and the weakest is on the same group. How can they manage their egos and do great on teamwork.
Special shoutout for j-hope. 🔥 After watching his performances on Lollapalooza and MAMA, he's absolutely the best. THEE Jung Hoseok, everyone..
I honestly heaved a sigh of relief when I saw your analysis about Huening Kai bc I felt like I was crazy for noticing his hunched shoulders. Obviously he’s a good dancer-TXT’s dances are _hard_ and I applaud anyone who can do them with such vigor and accuracy-but I’ve been worried about Kai’s posture for a while now. Like you said, there’s a higher risk of injury. I also think the hunched look makes him look more awkward than the other members, part and parcel because he has naturally broader shoulders and a broader chest/torso than the others (That’s not a weight thing, that’s a bone structure/muscle placement/genetics thing) so it’s more noticeable when he hunches his shoulders. I hope this is something Kai improves upon in the future because he’s already a great dancer and fixing that would not only lower his risk of injury but really heighten his overall skills, and who wouldn’t want that?
Edit: I forgot to mention, I wonder if part of the reason Kai hunches is less poor technique and potentially more so having been instructed previously to lower himself to height-match the others. TXT’s choreo involves a lot of group work and I find it rather interesting that the two tallest dancers of the team have height-based issues.
tbh enhypen has one of the best lineup in terms of Dancing skills...
OMG finally quality content, most videos like this are copy of copy but you are one of the few that give a good explanation (in other videos people use a lot of technicalities but don't show any proof) and make an original analysis. Finally a ranking that puts Irene in 2nd place in Red Velvet and Sunoo not in last place in Enhypen, even I thought I was crazy for not matching with others opinions because I really enjoy watching them for the reasons you mention, also thanks for showing Jay's skills.
Thanks for your hard work👏
I was just out of the bts hole but this took me right back in... Honestly it's completely insane how talented they are, especially 3j, and also appreciate taehyung bc like.. He's actually a good dancer his only sin is to be in a group with jeon "i've managed to accumulate all aspects of an Idol™ to the point that I am Thee Golden Standard, I've never been bad at anything physical, ever, and i will die before i'm proven otherwise", park "i will dance to all kinds of music and i am going to combine them in such a way that puts fear into God" jimin, and jung "my knowledge and skills in dance basics that i will use for fitting into and slaying every choreo that is put on this Earth are more stable than your sense of self, and also the whole perception of reality" hoseok. You can't compete (or keep up) with that.
Anyways what i'm trying to say is i need 3j in a dance crew.
we need a new dance video from them!
Nice..😊😊
Just want to point out... you forgot to write Jungkook in Jk's part..😃😃
tae has been part of the dance line since 2018 for a good reason he is very very skilled. all seven of them being able to dance to so many vastly different choreos, keep up their work ethic when they r on top of the world and they have nothing to prove but still raise the bar level every time they perform is so admirable and inspiring about them and they have no ego when they go to practice. like yoongi getting hiphop lessons for idk how many months now starting off with the basics to grow/build a strong foundation for what he wants to do next with those skills.
theyre not like "we r good already so there is no need to practice" but its more like we have to give 120% every time we r on stage so lets practice to not let the team, the audience who came to see us down and for us to know we gave it our all and have no regrets. no wonder they have one of the hardest choreos in the industry like yall r beasts on stage
Cute middle names 💜
I mentioned that already in your EXO video but will say it again - I appreciate your hard work on this so much!! You are literally what we’re missing in kpop, an educational content. There are plenty of song rankings, kpop opinions etc. but what this community really need are people who can taught us things. Thank you so much for sharing your experience and going out of your way to explain things like groove, popping… ❤
I was also wondering, at the end of the series - will you rank all the top dancers from those videos? (EXO, BTS, Seventeen, NCT etc.) Just curious, but I enjoy this series so much nevertheless. Thank you again!❤
Oooo love this idea!
Would love to see a more detailed analysis and ranking of the top dancers... also I wish the top 3/5 were more analysed/described in this video
i just love the way you word your videos in a good way, like as a jin biased girlie, ive seen so many people shit on him that it gets me so defensive, but your opinions are rarely biased (never even) and i just love how open you are
Go Jin! Lol. Seriously though he's my bias because he had zero experience when he started and he worked so hard to develop to a place where he wasn't holding the group back. The pressure must have been huge given the talent of the other members, and I admire him so much for his efforts as a singer and especially as a dancer
honestly I was so sad to see Kai and Soobin rank so low, but it totally makes sense after watching the whole video! I like all 3 groups here, I’ve been an army since 2013 and moa since 2019 so I’m familiar with all of their dancing skills and habits by now
I honestly agree that taehyun is the second best dancer in txt after yeonjun recently, though this opinion is controversial
I think taehyun is extremely good at dancing, he’s so controlled and can utilise power, strengths, and pops well! I feel that he should be higher in the list though, but I feel the top 5 is undeniable
With hope on the street coming in 2024, we'll finally get to see more of j-hope's individual style and its going to be so good!
Ranking by group (addition positions and divising by number of members) : Best group ENHYPEN 8,8 - second BTS= 9,7 - third TXT = 12
Enhypen being the youngest group with the better ranking overall: Futur of kpop indeed
yeaaaah!
I’m not an expert in dancing but you explain everything so well that even when I start watching the video I’m always like " oh it’s way too long I’m just gonna see the ranking and only read analysis for the members that I know ( since I don’t really stan a lot of boysgroup) but I always end watching the whole video and be so focused on the analysis ( more than the actual ranking btw)that I’m suprised when the video ends .
Ps: sorry for my bad english it’s not my first language
I'm really happy to see JAY in 6th position among bts,txt and enhypen. He is my most favorite dancer for a reason ❤
IM SO PROUD OF ENHA AND TXT THEY MAKE 4TH GEN SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO
I’ve been saying this for a long time so I’m happy someone finally agrees, that jay is top 3 in enhypen. I’ve been so impressed by him ever since I got into enhypen, because of his musicality, groove, and his insane improv skills. Tysm for putting him so high, and thank you for a wonderful explain as to why
I appreciate your analysis. I'd love to see you analyze Suga's new Haegeum dance practice video. Between recovering from surgery and taking dance lessons to re-learn the basics, I think his dancing has really changed, but I don't have the knowledge to exactly describe what I'm seeing.
I loved his understated swagger in Run BTS and thought it was a deliberate choice that suited him well. Other than that, most of the examples we have are him with chronic pain interfering.
Yes jay really stunning in hip hop dance style
I really liked this analysis as someone who is a fan of all three groups. My ult group is Enhypen and I am pleasantly suprised to see 5/9 of Enhypen in the top 10. It's kinda crazy how good they all are considering I've seen so many rankings where Heeseung, Jay, Sunghoon, and Jungwon all rotate between the 2nd-5th placements. They're all so young and I've noticed that Sunghoon especially has really improved from earlier comebacks to now. No wonder Enhypen doesn't have fixed positions, it would've been so difficult to decide the dance line.
5/9 ?
Hey loved the video, I always like when experts dumb things down for us general public😅...It always boggles my mind how bts even with members with such a gap in skill level make their performances so synchronized and a delight to watch.. As a non-dancer what rm and jin do is a miracle to me. You mentioned that jin has learnt to blend in, I'm curious how can one do that? How does one learn that? Also I've a suggestion for a future video.
Centers in kpop: I'd love to see your opinion on this, what do you think are the skills required? Or what should be or are the parameters in selecting? Is dance the only consideration? Logically it makes sense to put the best dancer in center but that's not always the case.
Oooh I love the idea of a video about centers!
oooh i second the opinion on a video about centers! i'm ofc not op, but in my opinion, the best center would be the member who's personal style best matches with the style/vibe/required execution of the choreo the group is given. in these groups i think it's widely accepted that the centers are Jungkook-bts, yeonjun-txt, heeseung-enhypen. bts has the most diverse styles implemented into their choreos, so it makes sense that someone with a very balanced execution like jungkook is their center. txt's choreos are very expressive and animated, definitely one of yeonjun's strongsuit. and enhypen is probably one of the few groups that benefit from their choreography looking hard af and there's no one like heeseung who can make a two-step look like it takes a lot of power lol so his super controlled and tension-based style actually works in his favor.
@@nightingale4786 I so love your comment on JK, YJ & Hee 😆 & yes! I vote on video about centers!
Yes! THIS PLEASE~
@@nightingale4786lmao hee lowkey getting roasted 😂😂
I enjoyed your ranking, but I’d say it’s usually Jimin who does the stunts in BTS.
I find it interesting how Taemin, Jimin and Taeyong have the exact same height and weight measurements. Same with Jongup who recently caught extra attention recently. I would love to see a video talking about different body types. Like Shonwu could never be the type of dancer Jimin or Taemin is. But Yoo Taeyang and Kai who are taller seem to be somewhat similar.
I would also love videos on more “forgotten” top Kpop dancers like Astro Rocky. He’s known for people who’re really into Kpop dancing, but many only know Cha Eunwoo and not the group. Kang Daniel is also ignored by many int Kpop fans. And what about TBZ Juyeon and Q? PTG Kino? How do they compare? TBZ are well known for their high level dance performances. And of course B.I. Verivery is “famous” for their extreme synchronization, how good are their main dancer?
OMG that's sounds very interesting, because people do take inconsideration about someone's height especially towards tall dancers because I tend to hear dancers say how it's harder for taller people to look fluid and stuff like that, but is it the same towards shorter people??. And this creator doesn't just do popular or new idols, they have talked about 1st-2nd gen idol and idols that aren't in big companies or in popular groups🎉. So I do hope they make videos about them.
It's really mind blowing that they're (at least officially) the same profile height and weight lol
VERIVERY’s level of cohesion fascinates me
@@facts_in_fiction Two years ago? Jimin shared his measurements as 1.74m and 58 kg. It was during Dynamite promotions. He’s stated that he prefers a weight under 60 kg for dancing, though “off season” he’s probably about 62-63(?). In some of SuperM promotions Taeyong said he’s 1.74 58 kg and Taemin said he was too skinny, but then admitted having the exact same measurements himself. I’d say it’s likely that these are their true measurements and not just “official”.
Many of the young idols often have a even lower BMI for example 1.80, 60 kg, but many gain some weight as they grow older and become more established(might not be a reason). They do work incredibly hard as trainees and rookies, though, so that might explain their low weight.
No body shaming or anything, but obviously your body proportions matter when it comes to both ascetics and which abilities you focus on. During their rookie days Jimin was more muscular, but as he started utilizing his contemporary style more, he seems to prefer a slimmer physique.
I can't believe I watched the whole 46 minutes at three am in the morning 😳 but anyways, it was a great analysis, and I really learned more details of their separate dances, so thanks for that!
For what it's worth, I adore Heuningkai and love to watch him on stage and I still think you're spot on. Furthermore, I think he'd agree with you here (and kind of wish he could see this, because I don't want him to get hurt). He's talked about wishing he'd started dancing earlier.
It amazes me that his stage presence and performance abilities let him be so captivating when he dances even when he's not technically strong. He'll struggle through dance practice and then as soon as there's an audience it's like magic.
hobi is so lovely to watch dance!
Such an interesting and refreshing take where you really managed to give detailed examples and insights into techniques and styles. I agree with all your points and think I have very similar preferences to you when it comes to dance form!
I especially enjoyed seeing the analysis of Enhypen as I’m not as familiar with them but knew enough to have had initial preferences during performances I had seen. Jay’s style made him stand out less to me in something like Drunk-Dazed (although his general stage presence still caught my eye) but suddenly blow me away in Paradoxxx. Also feel like the tension that some dancers have has such a polarising effect on general opinion of their skill. I certainly find that it can put me off in some cases but create amazing visuals in others.
It was also fun to guess who was coming next in the rankings!! Have subscribed and can’t wait to see more videos like this in future. Thank for all the effort you put into these ❤
P.s. also it’s a huge credit to your balanced and evidence based perspective that the comments from fans of each group can see your point of view without taking personal offence on behalf of their own bias!
What an incredible video!! I’ve learned so much to add to my own dancing. Can’t wait to see more! Thanks for the hard work
4:25 This might actually be an issue related to his stage presence too. EverGlow-Up mentioned that in her BTS/EXO/MONSTA X/ATEEZ stage presence. She has made a stage presence archetype system and so far, every idol fit in somewhere on it, but RM didn't. She said that his performance style changes multiple times throughout his performance, sometimes even multiple times in seconds between all possible types.
Ohh that sounds interesting, I'll definitely have to pay attention to it
It is hard for me to rank Jimin and J-hope, all I want to say that definitely both of them can be seen as professional dancers and it is really unfair to have such a powerhouses in one group for other groups. I hope we can see another duo choreography for them, that justice their each own style.
I love Jay dance style so much 😍
Yup Jay with hip hop is on the top. Jay such a versatile artist how he sing with his honey voice beautifully, and now i need Jay rapper 💖
JAY MY SWAG BOY
i love watching your videos because you give the best and most understandable explanations even for someone who has no experience of dancing. also i'm very happy that you appreciate jay's skills!
I personally think Jungwon should be a little up high because of his excellent skills but It is accepted that his arm movements are a bit stiff, So proud of niki tho
This was so interesting so watch, I loved your detailed analysis
OP clearly stated his/her basis so I'm not really surprised on the ranking. I appreciate the analysis on points I didn't notice before. Also, I keep in mind that their development as a dancer will be heavily influenced by their choreo & performance directors, concept, the song itself, & their experimentation in their music, which means that in correct setting, any member can shine, which should make us very excited given that TXT and Enhypen are still on the young side. As for their techniques, the members are continuously attending lessons, so let's have faith on their hardwork.
We may not completely agree on this ranking, but it should be okay. When more of their music comes out, ranks will change too, but also doesn't mean that we need to rank them each comeback they have.
Let's enjoy their music, & stream their MVs!
I enjoy Enhypen music more so I will only comment about them. As much as we acknowledge the power and control of other members, I dont see any problem acknowledging Jay as the best hiphop dancer in the group. He really stands out especially in hiphop bounce. This I think adds so much flavor to the group, just like Sunoo's sunshine charm & Sunghoon's elegance. That's why to me Enhypen is such a powerhouse as a group and individually. They are coherent, & at the same time dynamic & not boring.
Jay, dance-wise on its own, is a strong dancer that's why he can command attention with his stage presence, expressions, charisma, & personal dancing attitude. Especially on the dancing attitude, I can also recall so many Sunoo and Jake moments in their center parts although they are ranked lower here. But as we know, power, control, flow, etc. are all different. To me personally, rather than focusing on groove or power, I want them to develop their execution, that is their ability to execute moves safely without hurting themselves in the short run or long run, and of course stamina. As a fan, I always wish that none of them gets injured or sick especially during a comeback, concerts or tours.
So yeah, stan Enhypen for clearer skin!
P.S. Jay's hiphop style in dance, his groove and flow, are the main reasons why I am getting desperate to see him actually rapping. Imagine the overflowing swag and charisma of Rapper Jay matched with his freestyle dance!!!!
He was scouted by the for his rapping skills and still not having rap in their songs is such a miss
IM CACKLINGG THE WAY U WROTE A PROFESSIONAL ESSAY ON ENHYPEN THEN SAID STAN ENHYPEN FOR CLEARER SKIN LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
jhope has insane groove
The thing I really like about Beomgyu's dancing is how elegant and unique to himself it is, even though we know that TXT were mostly trained for hiphop and similar styles, and this is most noticeable in Taehyun's skills
You have no idea how happy I am with this video. i've been waiting and it felt like ages 😭 Please do Hybe girlgroups next I feel like newjeans are a lot better than people give credit for.
Jay is really talented, I feel like there are some similarities between his approach and strengths with those of a couple Seventeen members (Vernon or Woozi, maybe Dino?), so I definitely think he could become as much of a great dancer in the future
j-hope is a complete dancer. He could do any style even though he prefer hiphop dance. He has the best control of his body and could be artistically emotive when it is needed.
Goodness gracious JUNG HOSEOK, you are a beast. 🔥