Test BMW G 310GS Versus KTM690 - The Odd Couple - Rally Raid Products
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- The 'Odd Couple' Test - a comparison between the Rally Raid Products BMW G 310GS and the KTM690 in the role of capable round the world adventure motorcycles.
The 2021 G310GS has a slipper clutch and electronic throttle that make it essentially stall proof. BMW also swapped to all LED lighting, and the solid state headlight allowed them to eliminate the rubber shock mounting that caused the annoying headlight vibration flicker at high RPMs.
I looked at the 390 ADV but it was too orange. 😀
I bought a new old stock G310GS yesterday. BMW had a US$1000 dealer incentive and the dealer came down another $370.
I bought the Baby GS as a 60th birthday present to myself for errands around town, fun Saturday rides in the country, and the occasional overnight camping trip. I'd like to take off for a week or two, but probably never will. I'll still probably pick up some Rally Raid upgrades, although for me, they're mostly aspirational.
The 310 is a great little bike. Lots of fun and good handling. Glad they've fixed the headlight, it felt like it was going to fall off.
I have an 08’ 690 with many of your upgrades and love it. I live in COLORADO so from freeways to 13K feet on fire roads to single track it will do it all. Pay attention to what was mentioned in this video and the excuses are gone. Your can reliably go anywhere you want, BRAAP
So, using the Aussie saying: "at the end of the day", if you spend about $4k (US), in aftermarket parts, the little GS is a good 50/50 motorcycle. It gives us, the more dirt focused adventure riders, more reason to wait until KTM releases the 390 Adventure. Hopefully, the R version, assuming there is one, will have spoke wheels. Thank you for an honest review on the little GS.
Another great video. This whole channel makes me want to do adventure riding. Thanks for addressing the questions about reliability of the KTM. It’s easy to get a bad picture from TH-cam when videos are watched in isolation.
If we encourage you to do adventure riding then we are doing our job. :)
When I stopped in at RR to see Jon and Liz to replace parts I smashed in Morocco a few weeks earlier, Jon showed me his 310 prototype that I thought would be a good fit for my wife to replace her F650GS. I think she’s coming around to the idea, but she likes her bike!
As you know I switched to a 500exc from my 690RR that I rode in Africa, Europe, the UK and North America. I watched your videos along with others in preparation for that ride and carried all of those extra parts that you and others had fail on you. Luckily I didn’t need any of them! My problem with the 690 was it was too heavy and bulky when laden! I just could not enjoy riding it. Going into Africa from Spain, I dumped nearly everything but my tank bag, back pack and a tail bag. To this day, that’s all I ride with now. I’m nearly 60 and like to spend most of my time off road and the 690 just was too much. I don’t want to depend on help picking up my bike! After switching to the 500exc, it fits me and my riding perfectly! It took weeks to get comfortable with the 690, but it was immediate with the 500! I’ve made numerous 2000 mile rides with it now and it’s fun! Off roading is a pleasure! I’m at one with it! Fuelled and geared up, it’s 150lbs lighter than the 690! I’ll be bringing it to Australia next year for my 6 week trip! Hope to see you!
Yeah, I think the 500 is a great bike to adventurise.
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The 690/701 are no doubt great bikes but once you add the bigger tanks and so forth sadly the cost is just a bit much.
If you have the money it is not such a big issue but I am guessing with the Rally Raid kit it would be around 25k Australian and in my book a luxury that is way out of my budget.
At the end of the day it is about the travel, spend more on the travel than on the bike, no good having a great bike if you can not take it anywhere because you have no money left over.
Great interesting vid, food for thought never goes amiss.
As discussed a lot of people are buying second hand 690s and kitting them up. I reckon you could do it for under 12,000 AU.
From the rally raid uk web site this kit looks to be around $4500 - $5000 aud (not sure about shipping cost though) for fnt and rear tanks, fairing, bash plate with storage tank and soft luggage racks. Not a bad price at all considering the cost of other kits. I was looking at KIT690 that uses factory rally tanks and fairing, but that kit is up around $11000.
Sideshow here! It was this older video that had me searching for older 690's. As discussed at 2022 BMW safari I picked up the 2016 with the HardKit already fitted.
Still getting it serviced and set up for me. Big foot pegs have to go. Recycling the pivot pegs off my Drz should make it just right for me.
Good one Dave they are a great bike
Nice comparison. Totally agree with you re power of the BMW. Enough for Asia etc but underpowered for long distances on the roads of Europe and America. Still can't understand why no manufacturer is making a more "adventure", "rtw" biased 400/500cc bike that does have enough power and comfort to sit at 110km for longer periods. I know it's been said before but come on Honda, do a mini Africa Twin with the CB500. Yes I could buy a CB500X and fully Rally Raid upgrade it. But how much would that be? Must be talking near to £10,000? I know Honda could do it for less than that!
Yep we all need to keep saying this. They are maybe starting to listen.
Malcolm Smith I believe the 390 KTM coming will be a grand solution and I ride a 08; 690 that I love and live in Colorado.
@@bobthomas2812👍 Heard anything about when and expected price?
I've got an old and battered 2001 DRZ400. I love it. But its far too battered to think about taking it on a long adventure. When I say battered,I don't mean just dented,scratched and dirty. Its spent most of its life off road and is missing indicators, backlight,got a broken headlight,standard tiny tank,standard uncomfortable seat and lots of other little things that Id have to sort. I'll keep the DRZ. I love her. But I am most def looking for a 400/50cc basic simple and economical bike with a good size fuel tank that'll handle light off road use and be able to hold European motorway speeds with reasonable comfort. Hearing good things about Benellis TRK502X. That's a lot of bike for £5,000!
Malcolm Smith in Colorado the 790s are due late summer 2019 and the 390 is behind them. Guess summer 2020 based on 790 timing. BRAAP
New #Yamaha #Tenere 700. It is quite light and must be agile bike !for its engine size
It is great to see this comparison. Nowadays people think they "need" big and expansive bikes for adventure ridings, but that is definitely not true. And thanks for mention, what the average speed is, when you are traveling in those countries. I travelled with 17 Horespowers from India to Europe and it was totally fine. Now i am travelling with a Kawaski KLE 500. Was in Kyrgystan, Tajikistan and Albania with it and often far away from the main roads. And it worked very well. I really hope there will be a lot of variety of bikes in that smaller and cheaper class in the future. And i really hope that that people will realize that there is not always a need for those big bikes, and that you can realize your dreams of riding also on smaller bikes and smaller budget. Spend more money in travelling than in bikes ;)
Smaller good bikes more designed for adventure will come in the next couple of years. But like you I had a wonderful time on a Bajaj 200!
Bike is the tool, what makes it adventure is the ride and as everyone agrees less is more.
I can sit comfortably at 90-100 on a crf250r...and could have 2 for the price of a 310 plus rr kit. Not putting down the video, just can’t get behind the 310. I can get the Honda worked on anywhere, get parts anywhere, etc. We have all heard it before, I know, but...if he is cramp at 175 cm, which is fairly short for most men, I can’t find a single reason why an average or above average sized man would want it. Perhaps if you are VERY short or just want to show off the BMW badge...
That 690 though...I would love to have that bike if they sold it here in Thailand. Unfortunately, to have one imported more than doubles the price :(
Like the little BMW.. about time ktm stepped up with a 390 adventure I have a 390 Duke and the motor is excellent
I had issues with the clutch until I changed to an adjustable lever, the biting point was too far out for my fingers making it harder to control than it should be.
Hey...good seeing u 2 together again reviewing motorcycle...when i see guys riding in india, i think u guys can even took a scooter around the world...sory...i hv nothing to say but admiring ur guys patients...i think the most important thing in adventure rides lays inside a man who hv the guts to go packed n live a long the road as u guys did..i doesn't matter what kind or power the bike hv...the bond we make with the bike will definitely be the joy of the ride...so for those who happen to read my comments... whatever bike these guys recommend, trust me...u will enjoy ur ride otherwise....u r just dont hv that soul of adventure inside of u...u just hv the money to complaint the truth n joy of adventure ride...😀😀
Agree.
Is there a way to add a ABS on off switch ? I think in the 2022 and 2023 there is no way to turn it off . On the bmw
I would love to see a comparison of the BMW G310GS against the Honda XRE300 (brazil only) bikes ... the XRE300 comes standard with laced wheels at 21 front / 18 rear and I watched a youtube video showing its top speed at 150 kms ... I can't seem to find any youtube reviews of the XRE300 that are in english, but would love to watch one.
Send me to Brazil! :)
If money are no issue this kits are great, but here in norway l can buy a bike for the costs of rims, shocks, tanks and so on. Then its better to get a bike with no need of that extensive rebuild.
Have you ever considered a DR650 for an around the world adventure bike? its roughly around the same weight as the 690, spend a little money on the suspension , do the muffler, airbox and jet kit, get a big tank, add a screen, and its a pretty sorted bike, handles well, very reliable, no fuel pump, no injectors, old school technology, can still cruise at 130kmh-140kmh, plenty of aftermarket parts, and its much cheaper than a 690.
The dr650 is an excellent affordable round the worlder. But it doesn't go, nor handle like a 690. It's just a matter of preference.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV I agree the DR doesn't have the power of the 690 and never will, so if someone want's the extra power then go with the 690, however in my opinion for adventure riding you don't really need 70+ hp, as far as handling goes, I've never ridden a 690 off road (I've ridden a 701 on road) but I've owned and ridden a husky TE630 off road and in my experience a DR with sorted suspension handles just as well, but as you said, each to their own.
Yes, might as well use the DR since the idea of piling up the bike with luggage negates any advantage the fancy bikes have.
@@Captndarty Since when did horsepower have anything to do with the rider? I take it you've never watched moto3 racing, they don't have much horsepower and they aren't timid and boring riders.
@@Captndarty Moto3 can go up to 250kmh with about 50hp, and you don't need horsepower to have fun, I pull out and pass people at over 130kmh all the time on the DR, I also power slide it on gravel too, its a blast.
Hey Dave, curious what Klim jersey you're wearing? Couldn't find it on the website, guessing there might be a newer version or something. Always look forward to your videos. Cheers.
Dakar Pro, there is a newer version out now.
Unfortunately the cost of the rally raid conversion on top of a new BMW310 out weighs it's value for money, when you can get a WR 250 R with a Safari tank for $9100, that has better suspension & wheels out of the box, add a seat concepts low seat, bash plate and a screen, change the gearing to 14/48 and you have a better bike as a package. Which can hold it's own against the bigger bikes in the dirt and will do 100 kmph easily on the highway.
Hi as always a great video, does Philip sell does protections for the tanks ? Rally raid used to make some, but saly he quit...
Nope, Philippe just made them for his and my bike.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV What material did he use ?
ahhh fiberglass ;-)
Keeping in mind a full RR package is running over $3k on the 310, which is fair for good kit, but. The KTM is more expensive to begin but probably could leave the stock susp. as well as wheels and pipe. The BMW is not such a bargain now, but certainly still very attractive for those needing a truly low seat.
Got it in one. Low seat is a huge factor for so many riders.
Well I know which one I'd prefer!! Great vid mate.
what mods did you do to yours joe ? you also had a cam failure didn't you ?
@@jonthepomiamtheone Hey mate. I've never owned one before mate.
my bad mate just watched riding with tom and then your trip to the cape and got you mixed up
@@JoeJoeMoto
690 all the way! Where is the screen from on the 690? I have a Rade garage screen on my Evo 2 690 and it's a little too tall....
My CB500X with RR suspension has a standard paper filter. There's no aftermarket solution for the bike other than a K&N. I just change it out every year when I do the oil change. It doesn't get too bad even riding off road in the dust for a week or two every summer.
Enjoyed the vid Dave Just bought a 2012 690 ,the fuel filter you mentioned, would that be before the pump ,as i understand it the ktm filter is after the pump
go the the Rally Raid Products site and buy that fuel filter as it has a different micron grid. You instal that fuel filter immediately before the injector. Keep the other fuel filter in place.
thanks ,will do
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV
Good on BMW for building a bike for shorter riders not everyone is 180+ cm
Great vid! Thanks
Great Video as always! I live in Whistler BC and during the long winters it's nice to see you out having fun it keeps me inspired.
I have a 2015 690 with the same EVO2 kit as you and was thinking of updating the faring from the white to the tinted windscreen and it looks like I can order it through RR my question for you is does it just bolt on or are there modifications that are needed to be made?
One other question I see on your bike you have a black bash guard on the front edge (and bottom corner) of your EVO2 tanks I think I heard in one of your videos that Philipe had them custom made do you know if anyone is manufacturing them or where I could get a set?
Love riding the 690 for me, the way and what I like to ride its the closest thing to the unicorn available!
I would change to the tinted or clear screen and there were no modifications necessary. I don't know anyone manufacturing the guards that Philippe made.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Thanks for your prompt reply Dave! I heard that you were over in BC here a while back and rode up Brome ridge is that correct?
@@roamtvridingoff-roadadvent8905 No. But I wish I had.
Motorcycle Adventure Dirtbike TV if you ever make it out this way I’ve got some tracks I think you will like. Check out the Molybdenite video I have on my channel it’s a fun ride!
Thanks for that.
You're welcome
What was the years of the bad rocker arms.
2010 to 2015?
I would love to hear how the g310gs compares to the rally raid Honda Cb500x, id imagine that the Cb500x is a little better off-road but want to hear your take?
I'd imagine the G310 would be better simply because its weighs 60 lbs less.
Especially if you upgrade the suspension on both with the rally raid bits. Yeah the CB500 will probably feel less buzzy at speed but for off-roading i doubt you're going fast enough for it to really matter.
In South East Asia, small capacity bikes are better because we don't want to end up under lorries and trucks.
How are the vibrations motorcway speeds...55-75 mph? How is the fueling, the transmission, and brakes on the 310?
110 kph is its comfortable limit. Brakes fines, fueling fine.
Very helpful overview and practical perspective on both bikes. The universe of riders new to ADV who dread taking a 550 pound bike off road is large compared to those who relish the idea of exploring those dirt tracks off the tarmac but lack the skill to handle much more than the 310 GS. BMW, KTM and others are wise to attract the newbies who will likely upgrade to a bigger rig as their confidence increases. RR makes some great kit!
There was a number of motivations to doing this video, but one of them being to make people realise you don't need a big bike to have a great adventure.
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Usually liked all your video's but this one seemed more like a Rally Raid infomercial'
It basically was. But I wanted to record my experience with my bike for the record as I will shortly be buying another bike. It was also the last public discussion around the BMW310 that will shortly be sold.
Sorry to say the SWM 650 Superdual $10500,00 , “ comes with everythink “ Sachs suspension, Brembo brakes, brained lines , crash bars , bash plate , center stand , great power , easy to service ( long intervals - 1.8 lt ) 18 lt tank with around 400km tank range . Better than both the 690 & 310 - for the money.
Yes, but it's old technology, if you're happy with that. There some problems with those engines.
Thanks.
Actually the KTM 690 was designed and built prior to the Husky TE630 - built in 2011-12 now the SWM RS 650 or Superdual, were the KTM was built in 2009 ( and hasn’t changed that much ) the new Husky/SWM has a new fuel injection system and basically have fixed a few known issues that the TE had. The 690 in stock form needs loads of coin to bring it up to an Adventure Bike ,( not to mention the common issues the 690 has that they have never fixed - there are a lot ! “ the were the Superdual is already to go for a fraction of the price. And the 310 is built in India & on top of that you need to spend another 3000 or so for the upgrades. And it’s only a 310cc bike.
I get it, the SWM is a great affordable package.
Wouldn't CRF 250 Rally a better starting point for a rebuild? Already a very good small adventure bike, beats the beamer in price and durability and there isn't as much things to change...
Agree. Now give me a CRF250 to review! I do hear they are under powered compared to the Yammy WR250 R
How reliable is the ktm ? What issues have you had with it?
Mike you didn't watch the whole video< I discuss that at length towards the end.
Can u do the same for Royal Enfield Himalayan ? Give a Rally Reid Touch.
Nope unfortunately.
Isn't it about $5K for the full Rally Raid treatment??
Yes, But for the 690 I wouldn't have the full kit, just bash plate, tanks and pannier racks and some odds and ends.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV But the rally tower is soooo nice though
BMW bikes are so beautiful and Powerful , they are Number 1 in motorcycles in my
opinion .
You should try the v-strom 650. It would be fun.
Agree
Only 9 minutes in, love your mates review; Premium in-site and I know I'm 3 years late but I'd love to see him again if in Australia.
thank you
Your really pushing the Rally Raid products but not mentioning the cost? KTM needs nothing in performance and suspension. The BMW is a little street bike. Why not just start off with a dual sport bike, the cost would be much less. Think starting with something like a Yamaha WR or Honda CRF would be a better choice and the gas mileage is better. The problems with fuel injection bikes having to have a fuel pump makes me love my DRZ that much more. I did have a 2005 KTM 625 LC4 motor that was a great bike .
It was a review of two of the Rally Raid products bikes. The topic was hoe Rally Raid turns these bikes into round the worlders. I've reviewed the WR250 and have stories featuring the DRZ.
where can I buy spoke wheels for this MBW 310 GS? Please submit a link on eBay. Thank you
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Test Royal enfield himalayan!!
Hi 👋 from Moscow )
How many 310 gs in Sidney ?
Moscow 5000 $
$9000 AU I think
Neither of these bikes is stock or close to it. How can you make a good review for it?
Now I hear the 310GS is really nice, but when I buy one it doesn't have to suspension, tires or any of the mods you guys have done to it... Same for the 690. :-/
It's a review on RALLY RAID PRODUCTS BIKES NOT standard bikes, that is the whole bloody point of the review.
Didnt you prove that the 200cc Pulsar is as capable as either the 690 and the 310?
Ah yes :)
you should rally raid the 200cc pulsar...as a joke unless it makes money then I want a cut
In 2014, I rode a Pulsar 180 two up from Delhi to Darjeeling with a duffle bag and a tube repair kit. Bulletproof bike and apart from the seat, very practical. Now I know anything more is complete luxury and any speed over 80kph is a deathwish anyway. Love your work guys. Subscribed.
SOUNDS LIKE THE BMW IS GOOD, BUT NOT UP TO THE USUAL PERFORMANCE OF IT'S BADGE, AND A CLUTCH ISSUE/PROBLEM TO BOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AT A TOP PRICE THROWN IN TO THE DEAL!!
It's the take up that is problematic. The clutch itself is fine.
Davo!
Klr 650 would be interesting here.
500 to 600 ks of fuel, I've got these tanks and never got that far maybe 450km
Try harder, ease up on throttle. Once reserve light is on you have 150 ks if you ride off the throttle. If you're on it you're right.
If I was doing distance, I'd want more than one cylinder
I don't agree, but many do.
690 so many ‘bad batches’, reliable though 🤪
Bad batch of fuel pumps, bad batch of roller rocker arms. Bullet proof engine.
IN OTHER WARDS, THE CLUTCH IS CRAP.
Yes,
So the BMW 310 is comparable to the KTM 690, except it has worse suspension, worse power, worse top speed, worse clutch, worse wheels, and is heavier... huh. So how much did BMW pay you to say this?
Rourke, LISTEN to what I am saying and stop being offensive. Clearly you haven't. I'm guessing that english is your second language. Anyway have nice day.
@@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV I truly didn't intend to be "offensive" but the comparison just seemed to be overly forgiving of the BMWs shortcomings. I'm the kinda guy who calls BS when I see it. Everything the KTM does better, yet you basically say you don't need those things for RTW travel. Then you go on to justify how the BMW does things worse but that's ok because it will get there in the end. The only thing they have in common are that they both have 2 wheels. I've heard of guys going around the world on a scooter, but that doesn't mean it compares well against other more expensive/superior bikes. Are you honestly saying you would tell someone looking to buy a bike that the BMW 310 is comparable to the KTM 690?
I would like to note, that I generally like your videos and your channel as a whole. This video just couldn't go unchallenged.
@@Rourke-Slimer If it suits your needs for RTW then Yes. It wouldn't suit my needs and I made that clear.. I have a feeling you didn't watch the entire video.
A perfect girls bike.
I strongly agree. But I'd also ride it through Asia and North India.
Not the most honest review of the KTM. I had the 690. Problem with the 690 is the fuel pump and you have to take oil with you. On long journeys it drinks that motorex oil.
I did 1000 Kms from Scotland. Going up the beaches and KTM had to deliver oil. Also don't take it near the salt as the salt will eat the magnesium side plates.
Simon, before you challenge my integrity maybe you'd better watch the whole effing video you sanctimonious git. And all big big bore bikes at speed drink some oil but it sounds like yours had a problem. If I keep speed around 100 ks it barely eats any. In the last two thousand ks it hasn't needed any. All bikes used in salty environments will corrode. WTF? Is your name a pseudonym? Coz Low says it all.