Muslim Learns That ALL Islamic Sources CONFIRM The Bible | Sam Shamoun
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5:11 Ibn Kathir Agrees
6:17 Hadith On Muhammad Believing In the Torah
9:51 Sahih al-Bukhari Confirms the Torah & Injeel
11:06 Aisha Bewley & Ibn Abbas Confirm the Torah & Injeel
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SAM bassam zawadi wrote an whole article about this video can you make a response to his article?
What's the article about? Perhaps he shd present his case on yt video so all can see.
Many Muslims say, “The Quran is the most authentic religious book in existence. The first Qurans ever compiled still do exist and they are all identical. The Quran remains unchanged ever since its inception over 1400 ago.”
This is simply not correct. The first written Quran was compiled by Abu Bakr and after his death, entrusted to Mohammad’s widow Hafsa bint Umar. She stated that two suras disappeared, supposedly eaten by a goat. Reciters of the Quran, who learned from Mohammad, stated that there were other verses missing.
Later the Quran was recompiled by Calif Uthman and 4 to 9 copies were sent out to the various regions of Islam. The original source materials for the Uthman Qurans were burned and none of the Uthman Qurans are known to exist today.
The oldest Qurans in existence date from the 8th century, approximately 100 years after Mohammad’s death. Some are incomplete, with only 43 suras. All of them vary from each other and contain thousands of variations from the Cairo edition commonly used today. The earliest Quran, found in Yemen was written with very early Arabic and Aramaic that did not contain vowelization or diacritical marks. Without these marks, the words could have up to 30 meanings. When these marks were added later, some were applied incorrectly, causing meanings that do not make sense or changing the word. Additionally, there were many words borrowed from other languages of the time that cannot be translated to the present time. Sana'a manuscript - Wikipedia
Examination of the other early Qurans (including the Topkapi manuscript in Istanbul), show hundreds of changes. All of them have word insertions, erasures, erasures with overwriting, overwriting (without erasure), covering of larger areas, covering with overwriting, and addition of lines with writing style from 60 years later. Examination of these changes leads to the conclusion that the Quran underwent significant change for about 150 years. These changes for the most part cause changes toward a standardized reading similar to today’s Quran. Most of these changes can be considered minor, not changing the overall message of the Quran in a significant way.
The Quran most often used today was standardized in Cairo in 1924, but even today there are at least 5 versions of the Quran used in different parts of the Islamic world.
A simple reading of the Quran shows changes during the 23 years of revelation, which is strange since this book is supposed to be eternal. The result is hundreds of abrogations. You can see how specific topics changed each time it was recited by Mohammad. An example is the changing description of paradise, each time he described it.
Probably the most significant change to the Quran, was the change of direction of Prayer, from Becca to Mecca, which resulted in a shift in the direction Mosques face, approximately 100 years after Mohammad’s death.
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You cannot write your own history as you like.
@@ZenSolitarySoul
This is the history of the book descended from above🥺🥺🥺
pastor Bosworth smith after 7 years of research concluded ' the quran is the only scripture preserved in its original language for eternity '
@@aaronmusa234
(of the passages) of the Qur’an that were sent down were known by those who died on the day of Yamama . . . but they were not known (by those who) survived them, nor were they written down, nor had Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman (by that time) collected the Qur’an, nor were they found with even one (person) after them.iii
Abu Bakr decided that it was time to gather what remained of the Qur’an in order to prevent more from being lost, and he appointed Zaid ibn Thabit to this task. After Zaid completed his codex around 634 AD, it remained in Abu Bakr’s possession until his death, when it was passed on to Caliph Umar. When Umar died, it was given to Hafsa, a widow of Muhammad.
During Caliph Uthman’s reign, approximately 19 years after the death of Muhammad, disputes arose concerning the correct recitation of the Qur’an. Uthman ordered that Hafsa’s copy of the Qur’an, along with all known textual materials, should be gathered together so that an official version might be compiled. Zaid ibn Thabit, Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Sa’id bin Al-As, and Abdur-Rahman bin Harith worked diligently to construct a revised text of the Qur’an. When it was finished, “Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur’anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.”iv The Qur’an we have today is descended from this codex.
II. DISPUTES AMONG MUHAMMAD’S SCHOLARS
Not all Muslims approved of the new Qur’an. Indeed, some of Muhammad’s top teachers rejected Zaid’s version.
Muhammad once told his followers to “Learn the recitation of the Qur’an from four: from Abdullah bin Masud-he started with him-Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Mu’adh bin Jabal and Ubai bin Ka’b.”v Interestingly, Ibn Masud (first on Muhammad’s list) held that the Qur’an should only have 111 chapters (today’s version has 114 chapters), and that chapters 1, 113, and 114 shouldn’t have been included in the Qur’an.
Because of this (along with
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Should Muslims submit to this “deceit”? Not surprisingly, Ibn Masud advised Muslims to reject Zaid’s Qur’an and to keep their own versions-even to hide them so that they wouldn’t be confiscated by the government! He said:
“O you Muslim people! Avoid copying the Mushaf and recitation of this man. By Allah! When I accepted Islam he was but in the loins of a disbelieving man”-meaning Zaid bin Thabit-and it was regarding this that Abdullah bin Mas’ud said: “O people of Al-Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them.”vii
But Ibn Masud wasn’t the only one of Muhammad’s trusted teachers who disagreed with Zaid’s Qur’an. Ubayy ibn Ka’b was Muhammad’s best reciter and one of the only Muslims to collect the materials of the Qur’an during Muhammad’s lifetime. Yet Ibn Ka’b believed that Zaid’s Qur’an was missing two chapters! Later Muslims were therefore forced to reject some of Ibn Ka’b’s recitation:
Umar said, “Ubayy was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur’an), yet we leave some of what he recites.” Ubayy says, “I have taken it from the mouth of Allah’s Messenger and will not leave it for anything whatever.”viii
Due to these disputes among Muhammad’s hand-picked reciters, Muslims are faced with a dilemma. If Muslims say that the Qur’an we have today has been perfectly preserved, they must say that Muhammad was horrible at choosing scholars, since he selected men who disagreed with today’s text. If, on the other hand, Muslims say that their prophet would know whom to pick when it comes to Islam’s holiest book, they must conclude that the Qur’an we have today is flawed!
III. MISSING CHAPTERS
Simply knowing the facts about such disputes is enough to dismiss the claim that the Qur’an has been perfectly preserved. Nevertheless, we may go further by briefly considering certain other prob
Coran was burned en masse by Uthman and many verses were lost. The goat ate some verses as well and some were abrogated in recitation (meaning verses wrre lost but are still applicable which was a new invention to justify the loss of verses).
Also entire chapters were simply forgotten, and also lost when the sole memorizers of entire chapters were killed in internecine warfare.
Also entire chapters were simply forgotten, and also lost when the sole memorizers of entire chapters were killed in internecine warfare.
What is the aramaic translation of the name GOD ?
By your logic, when Israel was under occupation by the Philistines, they called their god Dagon Elohim. So what does this mean? Allah is Dagon? Or if an Arab Christian calls Jesus Christ Allah, does that mean that Muslims believe that Jesus Christ is God?
Abba, Abwoon, Elohim, Al-Hila, Adonaï ... 72 Hebrew-Aramaic expressions of the Divine according to Dr. J.J. Hurtak, PhD.
Another abdul
The Aramaic WORD for "God" is Elaha or Alaha, but the name remains the same (YHWH)
The copied stories don't match up. The cult is desperately looking for answers.
Ok So what exactly are the points or even on specific point he's trying to make ? He's simply treating the person responding like an imbecile. I mean Really that's how a man of God attempts to praise God ??? Besides zero point is being made . I can't even believe I'm responding to this garbage . Wow!!
Muslims say that the bible was corrupted. Sam is saying that the quran confirmed the bible. So the bible cannot be corrupted or else the quran is lying. I thought it is obvious. Why you cannot get it? Open your mind. You are rejecting anything that is against your belief.
Matthew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."
What's your point abdul?
5 pillars of islam:
1. PEDOPHILIA (sura 65.4, Bukhari 5133)
2. MUT’AH MARRIAGE (sura 4.24)
3. HALALA MARRIAGE (sura 2.230)
4. ADULTBREASTFEEDING (Sahih Muslim 8:3425)
5. TAQIYYA (sura 16.106, 3.28, Sahih Bukhari 3:49:857)
Sam does not know ibn Abbas the greatest interpreter of Quraan read all those verses and said that bible was corrupted. Sam narrated hadith where prophets supposed saying about Torah i believe in thee but there is hadith sahih not hassan talking about the same incident but i believe in thee is missing
Debate him. I want to see you lose
Is this your first video?
Amazing how they want to quote "Muslim scholars" when their own Christian scholars say we dont have the original Bible and that there are major contradictions and discrepancies in the manuscripts.
What do you think they mean by original Bible and who are you quoting?
Most variants are sentence structure, word spelling, and mistranslating some numbers. Even Bart Erhman ( atheist new testament scholar) said essential christian doctrine is not affected by textual variants.
- Christian scholars say these .......
- Who says those?
- (no proof) go and search (sending to a goose chase)
Lol let me give a link that will prove you are wrong 🤣
@@BBOCS_ In terms of the original words of Jesus(pbuh) in Aramaic/Hebrew, we don't have these.
And in terms of the Greek translations of those words, your manuscript situation is absolutely chaotic and whole passages for over 1,000 years were assumed to be in the Bible and then modern scholars say that they were added later on and now more recent scholars are starting to wonder if they actually do belong or not.
You do not have a stable text.
Why would we choose a book like the Bible where your own scholars disagree about certain verses (even whole books) when we thank God have the Quran, which God Almighty has Blessed to be preserved and memorized by millions of Muslims?
He is making good points but again he doesnt debate actual knowledgeable persons on his level… i would like to see him go head to head with someone who really studied quran and has a deep understanding otherwise he will keep beeing disrespectful to muslims who dont know how to defend themselves
He and Godlogic were to debate Hamza and John on this topic , but Hamza pulled out.
I mean he literally debate Shabir Ally bro. Its on youtube. Check it out
Sam has debated sheikhs multiple times and has consistently destroyed them. Look it up
The muslim you said are all coward to face Sam. Even your Zakir Naik is coward too.
If you want brutal debate try Christian Prince..🤣🤣🤣
@@yl_009 I don't understand what you are saying. Your grammer is very poor to say the least. Get back to me when you can form a coherent sentence.
At 4:26...this guy SAM SHAMOUN is just SILLY 😂
He finds the WORST ENGLISH translation that he can.
DUDE 🙄Quran 5:47 does NOT say some "New Testament/Bible"...as if it is talking about your BIBLE only
INJEEL is what it says
Some of the Books that were available back when the Quran was revealed are...Ethiopian Bible (81 Books)...Gospel/Injeel of the Ebionites...Gospel/Injeel of the Nazarenes...Didache...Gospel/Injeel of Thomas...etc., etc.
If a muslim claims bible is corrupted. The claim would've carried less weight.
However in the RSV, Christian scholars of the highest eminence declare that the King James version has "Grave defects" and needs revision.
Now definitely someone other than God put those defects, so it's corrupted.
And before someone says Quran is corrupted, put your claims with proofs and references and contradictions. Not empty statements
Just like how Muslims say that translations are defective and the Quran is authentic in the original Arabic, so too does the Bible. You’re making a sly disingenuous argument that alleges Christian scholars pointing out defects in the KJV, and how that must mean the Bible has been corrupted.
Couple of things:
- KJV didn’t exist at the time of Mohammed and Muslims have been making this false claim from the dawn of Islam.
- KJV is just a translation. I’m waiting to see what you have to say about the source.
And finally let’s not forget Uthman’s burning of alternate copies of the Quran to destroy as much as possible all evidence of the many variants that existed at the time. This event is celebrated in numerous credible Islamic sources. Little did they know they were documenting evidence of the crime that they committed. Even without the book burnings, there’s plenty of evidence of the Quran’s defects. But imagine what we have lost as proof when we know for a fact that mass booking burnings were organized to destroy evidence of whatever alternate versions of the Quran these people could get their grubby hands on.
Uthman burnt all of the qurans years after mohammed died. Verses were lost to tame sheep.
More embarrassing than any of that is that mohammed was possessed by demons. Once when he had his chest squeezed 3 times, once when he added the satanic verses and once when he spent 9 months playing with his pillows when he believed he was having sex with his wives. 😵💫
many of the New Testament quotes from the Hebrew Bible are taken from the Septuagint. As faithful as the Septuagint translators strived to be in accurately rendering the Hebrew text into Greek, some translational differences arose. In comparing the New Testament quotations of the Hebrew Bible, it is clear that the Septuagint was often used. This is the result of the fact that by the late 1st century B.C., and especially the 1st century A.D. - the Septuagint had “replaced” the Hebrew Bible as the Scriptures most people used. Since most people spoke and read Greek as their primary language, and the Greek authorities strongly encouraged the use of Greek, the Septuagint became much more common than the Hebrew Old Testament. The fact that the Apostles and New Testament authors felt comfortable, under the direction of the Holy Spirit, in using the Septuagint should give us assurance that a translation of the original languages of the Bible is still the authoritative Word of God
@@marshallcampbell125 well, this is the ones that are recorded in history. Most changes and revisions and translation mistakes are not even recorded. And nobody knows how many they are.
Are are texts in Jerusalem available. And amoung them there is a letter by a brother of Jesus, claiming there are a group of people that are changing the gospel text.
So the point is unfortunately the message has been corrupted and cannot be trusted.
@@ZenSolitarySoulwhat the letter?
Bible do not know Even jesus is the son of God ?or son of man?curuppted ??
Is quran corrupted?
@@craigime answer my question do not make question vs question..do not help other religion prove if you and your alfa omega right.
If you prove jesus alfa omega are sinles i am ready for accept your christianity .
@@zulfiqarashraf5619 i can answer your question if you make it clear.. please re-state your question in English please
@@craigime prove jesus is sinless .if you do prove that he is sinless according to bible i am ready for accept your christianity .
Prove or answer should be logical and without contradiction.
@@zulfiqarashraf5619 that's not a question- that's a challenge. it says so in Hebrews 7:26 that Jesus is "holy, undefiled, separate from sinners"
welcome to chrisitanity
Injeel is not the bible you have today... Torah is not the old testament you have today... Simple
Quran is not what you have today... simple
@@khairulaizatks Which one do you think they are going to recite?
1. Qaloon
2. Al-Susi (Ibn Katheer)
3. Khallad
4. Idrees
5. Warsh
6. Hafs Ad-Duri (Abu Amro alBasri)
7. Al-Laith
8. al-Bazzi
9. Al-Azraq
10. As-Susi (Abu Amro alBasri)
11. Ad-Duri (alKisa’i)
12. Ibn Shanboodh
13. Al-Asbahaani
14. Hisham
15. Isa BinWardan
16. Sulayman
17. al-Bazzi
18. Ibn Dhakwan
19. Ibn Jammaz
20. Ahmad bin Farah
21. Qunbul
22. Showba
23. Ruwais
24. Shujaa’ bin Abi Nasr Al-Balakhi
25. Abu Amro Al-Ala
26. Hafs
27. Ruh
28. Al-Duri (alHasan
alBasri)
29. Hafs Al-Duri (Ibn
Katheer)
30. Khalf
31. Ishaq
32. Al-Hasan bin Said Al-Matuu’i
33. Abu Farah Al-Shan- budhi
@@khairulaizatks you call Quthem as Muhammad , you don't even know the real name of your fake profit
@@khairulaizatks What about Sunni and Salafi disagreeing on meanings of what the Quran says while it should be Crystal Clear according to allah and mohammed?
@@ZenSolitarySoul they dont believe the same story about Jesus on the cross or not, if he has been replaced by someone or not, they are mainly disagreeing about this. You should know it since its your religion.
We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences. Surah al-ma'idah verse 48 so your argument just falls apart
None of your scholars agree that the Arabic word Muhaimin is translated to “a supreme authority”. Your tafsirs interpret it as one who safeguards, watches over, stands witness, preserves, and upholds.
Also, in your Quran transliteration, wamuhayminan is translated to “and a guardian”, not “and a supreme authority.”
@@BBOCS_ injeel is not bible...so stop embarrassed urself
@@mralchemist3976 I know you don’t want it to be, but you can’t deny your sources or history.
@@BBOCS_ which bible .....u hv one than one....catholic, Protestant,Jehovah witness and etc....not even u know which is the truth
@@mralchemist3976 You said the Injeel is not the Bible. Correct. The Injeel is the Gospel; the 4 accounts. And the Gospel is the same in Protestant or Catholic Bibles. Jehovah witness’ aren’t Christians so leave them aside.