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  • The Ontological Lied, a.k.a. Every Romantic Lied Ever (As performed by a past-their-prime baritone and their mediocre accompanist).
    A late Valentine's Day present for all of you music fans who have greatly improved the start to my 2022!
    This is dedicated to all the people who left comments about the quality of the singing in the Ontological Fugue. The singing isn't any better, but at least there's a piano to keep it in tune.
    Download all my music as well as teaching resources at www.freddywickhammusic.uk
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  • @Baton793
    @Baton793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1314

    Quality content, I'll be expecting nothing less than even more mediocre singing from now on

    • @Classi-mt9hn
      @Classi-mt9hn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      th-cam.com/channels/fJPaoxJwv5uJE2kCZly8iQ.html

    • @tommeng6522
      @tommeng6522 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Hey at least he's somewhat trying LOL

    • @tedvendlegard9776
      @tedvendlegard9776 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Swedish version of the lyrics literally no one asked for (except perhaps Petterson-Berger from his grave):
      Om lieder önskas, tänk främst: förhållning
      motiv upprepas, pianosynkoper.
      För ökad känsla, så modulera!
      Minns kromatiken och ritenutot.
      Säg är mitt hjärta
      i tusen delar?
      För krigets svärta,
      jag kanske velar?
      Isåfall skilldras
      en strid i pianot.
      Och mellandelen
      är vi på väg mot.
      I vinterstormens sus - nya klang-texterurer,
      med grötig baryton och kromatik-figurer.
      Ett djävulskt dim-ackord,
      och neopolitanska klanger chockar.
      Med sextondels-trioler, ska vämjande förmedlas,
      men för att tonerna ska ljuda måst' de spelas.
      Vår pianist har ont.
      Nu stegrar spänningen.
      Vi når vår höjdpunkt,
      därefter vårt tema, i grundtonartsfattning
      Just här hör motmelodin hemma.
      Men snart, så når vi ett dilemma:
      lieder låter alla likadant,
      likt Doppelgänger.
      En sista insats, bekant kan tyckas.
      Men slutkandensen, den avbryts halvvägs.
      Till huvudtemats slut: en sista förhållning.
      Dramitiskt avslut.

    • @catherinehamer5653
      @catherinehamer5653 ปีที่แล้ว

      Beautifully expressed, pure poetry.

  • @klop4228
    @klop4228 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2289

    You know, I'll bet the original German text of this is so much more poetic

    • @henrikmulders8633
      @henrikmulders8633 2 ปีที่แล้ว +119

      Jedes romantische Lied von jeher

    • @edwardviolahands
      @edwardviolahands 2 ปีที่แล้ว +134

      I would die of the perfection if someone bothered to translate this into German and if I every take voice lessons again I will sing this at the end of the year recital

    • @klop4228
      @klop4228 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      @@edwardviolahands I'm half-tempted to do it for fun, but it'd take me a bit of work to make the German sound good in writing lol

    • @TheVoitel
      @TheVoitel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +340

      @@edwardviolahands A first attempt:
      Man braucht viel’ Vorhalt’ in diesen Liedern,
      die selben Motive, ja wieder und wieder.
      Für große Gefühle: moduliere!,
      Chromatizismen, und Ritenuto.
      Hat mich vielleicht mein Lieb’ verlassen?
      Ruft mich der König zu Krieg und Waffen?
      Es steht im Piano, bevor in Eile,
      es weiterleitet zum Mittelteile.
      Ein neues Bild, man hört den Wintersturm wild brüllen.
      Chromatisch windet’s sich, und Baritöne bellen.
      Im verminderten Akkord liegt Streit,
      Der Neapolitaner ist sehr bedrohlich,
      Man sieht an Sechzehnteltriolen den Sturm im Herz an -
      Das heißt solang du einen findest der sie spiel’n kann.
      In den Fingern steigt der Schmerz!
      Bis wir zum Schluss nach einem Höhepunkt zurückfinden zum Hauptmotiv in der Tonart.
      Eine Gegenmelodie in gängig,
      doch leider gibt es ein Problem,
      all diese Lieder klingen ähnlich -
      Sie sind Doppelgänger.
      Die letzte Phrase ist schon geläufig,
      doch unterbrochen ist die Kadenz.
      Das Kernmotiv wird dann erweitert in noch mehr Vorhalte.
      Dramatisch ist der Schluss.

    • @lenaschneider7706
      @lenaschneider7706 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@TheVoitel That's pretty awesome for a first attempt, I'd say :D
      Ah, I just noticed a typo
      *Eine Gegenmelodie IST gängig =)

  • @BsktImp
    @BsktImp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +463

    Vivaldi (still embittered by Stravinsky): "Schubert didn't write 600 _Lieder_ ; he wrote the same _Lied_ 600 times!"

    • @cindyzhan7867
      @cindyzhan7867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      I bet Mozart wrote it down in his famous collection _The Well-Tempered Clavier_, no?

    • @kentrosaurusboi3909
      @kentrosaurusboi3909 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@cindyzhan7867 I love this! Beethoven was also influenced by Schumann, no?

    • @iroxursoxwithjello
      @iroxursoxwithjello 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'm looking for the lie and I cannot find it

    • @kentrosaurusboi3909
      @kentrosaurusboi3909 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@iroxursoxwithjello lol

  • @b.m.7099
    @b.m.7099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +474

    As a fervent lieder-lover, I find nothing wrong with this.

    • @Classi-mt9hn
      @Classi-mt9hn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/channels/fJPaoxJwv5uJE2kCZly8iQ.html

    • @d.paulkwon9798
      @d.paulkwon9798 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Classi-mt9hn Get help.

    • @kentrosaurusboi3909
      @kentrosaurusboi3909 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same, although the only thing that bugs me with the ending is that he didn't repeat the first theme, I thought that might give more closure.

  • @foxnoop5895
    @foxnoop5895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    This video has saved me. In a week i'm having an exam about romantic music's contexts etc. This is all you need in a nutshell. Thanks for quality content. Teaching through memes will be probably my speciality xD

    • @RobertAMRoss
      @RobertAMRoss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This will be on the playlist for my Intro to Music History class at least!

    • @laceandribbonsviolin
      @laceandribbonsviolin ปีที่แล้ว

      Ain’t nothin’ wrong with that!

  • @Generalfeldm4rschall
    @Generalfeldm4rschall 2 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Please expand:
    0:00 An die Musik
    1:00 Erlkönig
    1:20 Erstarrung from Winterreise (?)
    2:08 Im wunderschönen Monat Mai and An die Musik
    2:31 Doppelgänger

  • @gracewenzel
    @gracewenzel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +695

    Ha! That Erlköning lick made me laugh!
    Edit: AND the Doppelgänger reference! Very well done 😆

    • @S.Lijmerd
      @S.Lijmerd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Don't forget the Im wünderschöne Monat Mei reference at 2:06

    • @Classi-mt9hn
      @Classi-mt9hn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      th-cam.com/video/7hxj9L5OtlY/w-d-xo.html

    • @francescocroese2741
      @francescocroese2741 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@S.Lijmerd you're right!!!

    • @shosty575
      @shosty575 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you please give a timestamp for the Erlkonig ref?

    • @Classi-mt9hn
      @Classi-mt9hn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/channels/fJPaoxJwv5uJE2kCZly8iQ.html

  • @jordanbradford7729
    @jordanbradford7729 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1163

    As a pianist I laughed out loud at the lyric “The triplet semi-quavers show the heart in mayhem, but that’s assuming you’ll find someone who will play them. The R.S.I. takes hold.”
    Normally repetitive stress injuries are no joke, but not in this case!
    Edit: I didn’t notice until I listened to it a couple more times that in the last two measures of that passage the pianist is actually cheating in the left hand by skipping the triplets and only playing the bass line! That’s totally something I would do!

    • @mdcollins1984
      @mdcollins1984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Agreed! Bl**dy Erlkönig. Even Schubert Ave Maria winds me up!

    • @ericaeli3807
      @ericaeli3807 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What is RSI?

    • @Griwhoolda
      @Griwhoolda 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@ericaeli3807 Repetitive Strain Injury

    • @randomchannel-px6ho
      @randomchannel-px6ho 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@mdcollins1984 Are you familiar with Liszt transcriptions of this pieces for solo piano? They are amazing but super difficult. I have actually been able to Ave Maria, though Erlkonig eludes me as I simply cannot do anymore than intro without my technique beginning to fail and invite injury.

    • @mdcollins1984
      @mdcollins1984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@randomchannel-px6ho I have heard some of the Liszt transcriptions, but haven't attempted to play any. I think a lot of the problems are caused by heavier piano actions today than Schubert would have been used to on a 1820s fortepiano.

  • @xenasBS
    @xenasBS 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I love people who can bash something in such specific and pointed ways it actually shows how much they love that thing.

  • @Sherlock_Violin
    @Sherlock_Violin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Absolutely brilliant! A very nice combo between Elgar and Brahms for the beginning there... I nearly did a similar composition called "I can't believe they leid to me", but this is far superior!

  • @inanis9801
    @inanis9801 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    This was full of jokes and references. I'm sure I missed some, but still this is the sort of comedy I love.

  • @emomz
    @emomz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    This is getting shown to every one of my advanced classical singing students. Brilliant!

  • @HewWagner
    @HewWagner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +376

    Hahaha this is amazing! Please do ‘every English art song ever’ next :p

  • @Tenortalker
    @Tenortalker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    A complete lieder recital in one song - so economical, much less time consuming! A tour de force. Bravo.

  • @jobrown95
    @jobrown95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I thought your work couldn’t get funnier than the Ontological Fugue. Luckily this piece tugs all my Schubert/Schumann strings.
    I’m subscribing. Very well done.

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    The other feature of text setting here is not said but implied: word painting!
    Also, "Andante con molto rubato" and the composer's name got me to laugh right at the start

  • @danielcabrera4161
    @danielcabrera4161 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I wanted to cry right after second 20, its so emotional and funny but really captivates the essence of that purest truthest sublime celestial art form ❤️

  • @jocax188723
    @jocax188723 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Me, an audience member hearing the Erlkonig lick: "I understood that reference!"

  • @AndromedaCripps
    @AndromedaCripps 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Ok but the voice was actually very well suited to the faster middle section, which is arguably harder to pull off for most people than the lyrical parts!

  • @pr-fe
    @pr-fe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Real happy to find this guy before he blows up huge on TH-cam. I know before 2023 he’ll be in every musician’s algorithm.

  • @DoubleFovea
    @DoubleFovea 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Das ist so großartig, dass ich mir das dreimal hintereinander angehört habe :-). It ist so great that I listened to it three times :-) Bravo!! A really wonderful joke with a lot of knowledge.

  • @be7th
    @be7th 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love the way the piano score winks multiple times. I even thought at some point the text "simile" was actually "smile" lol

  • @MarkABoyle
    @MarkABoyle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I NEED THIS SCORE!!!!! TAKE MY MONEY!!!

  • @loganm2924
    @loganm2924 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The references to Schubert’s Erlkonig, Der Doppelganger, and others are genius!

  • @CassBlast5
    @CassBlast5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Absolutely loving these! Catching the references to well-known Lieder is particularly fun!

  • @jasonatherton1549
    @jasonatherton1549 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It’s the line “But now the cadence is interrupted” for me. So friekkin funny!!

  • @niallhoskin5185
    @niallhoskin5185 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm mining this rich seam of cleverness and enjoying it hugely. Peter Schickele's shade hovers over you!

  • @davidunger3199
    @davidunger3199 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bravo! This is brilliant in so many ways, from idea to performance, with so many small details to unravel, from repeated listening.

  • @anthonyhickling8867
    @anthonyhickling8867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I want the sheet music to perform this so much! It’s amazing!

  • @caseychiu1261
    @caseychiu1261 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    2:08 Schumann Was will die einsame träine Op.25 No.1
    2:25 Schumann Widmung in the piano accompaniment

    • @Abrikosia
      @Abrikosia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Isn't 2:08 Im wunderschönen Monat Mai?

    • @caseychiu1261
      @caseychiu1261 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Abrikosia Ah yes, sorry! Always got the two mixed up haha, thank you!

  • @louis9579
    @louis9579 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love all the work and creativity that gets put into these easy to understand word painting demonstration.
    Good work! I want to see more content like this!

  • @nanopopquiz7460
    @nanopopquiz7460 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The content every classical music nerd needs

  • @hughrutherford3599
    @hughrutherford3599 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    If all your compositions are this much fun, I wanna join your lockdown choir!

  • @McCeighty
    @McCeighty 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’m going to need this for my next recital 😂

  • @susandrakenviller3683
    @susandrakenviller3683 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Most humorous part of this 'Lied' is the return to the... TONIC!

  • @the_bottomfragger
    @the_bottomfragger 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is executed so perfectly, I love it!

  • @Woodcut60
    @Woodcut60 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant! Love it!

  • @haydengardiner2394
    @haydengardiner2394 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    it's so weird how nice this is, while being so funny as well!! Very nice piece!

  • @bahrss
    @bahrss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    A perfect Valentine's day lieder!
    I love the way, you're mixing a good stereotypical music with jokes emphasizing these stereotypes!

  • @a.w.4708
    @a.w.4708 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember a little from music education, still enough to understand... I admire this.

  • @bugraaltun9290
    @bugraaltun9290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Omfg I was at "Winterreise" concert today, and this is so damn relatable ahahahahhaha

    • @faqi7076
      @faqi7076 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      was at one on the in London by Ben Appl and just saw this- was fantastic 😂

  • @tangsolaris9533
    @tangsolaris9533 ปีที่แล้ว

    HAPPY VALENTINES 2023

  • @annam7857
    @annam7857 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    😂 I felt this on a deep emotional level

  • @kixiqu
    @kixiqu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    coming back to this video to note that this gets stuck in my head pretty regularly

  • @_neins
    @_neins 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "all of Schubert's Lieder in 3 minutes and 18 seconds"

  • @arieldeshotel2016
    @arieldeshotel2016 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok, but you didn't need to call out my master's recital like this 😤 (this is so charming - thank you for this fun break in work)

  • @michaeltres
    @michaeltres 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is brilliant!!!

  • @thepokeybird
    @thepokeybird 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    As someone who has basically sung nothing but Lieder, this is accurate as hell lol

  • @Cellottia
    @Cellottia 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful!!

  • @brodymclaughlin
    @brodymclaughlin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this!

  • @themusicalcorner4086
    @themusicalcorner4086 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Legit content. Please post more of this

  • @brooksiefan
    @brooksiefan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a wonderful lesson! 😁

  • @enricozaro3185
    @enricozaro3185 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    it made my day, thank a lot

  • @paul-wieting
    @paul-wieting 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh my god. This is so funny and clever. Well done!

  • @samanthaburkesoprano
    @samanthaburkesoprano 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love this so much ❤️

  • @Cellinator
    @Cellinator 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super charming!

  • @sspringNG
    @sspringNG 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another wonderful video!

  • @randomchannel-px6ho
    @randomchannel-px6ho 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:00 nice Schubert quote

  • @BasedBonobo
    @BasedBonobo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved it!

  • @LapiniYui
    @LapiniYui 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for sharing

  • @henrykwieniawski7233
    @henrykwieniawski7233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should do every Bach Cantata ever :P

  • @viniciusgabriel423
    @viniciusgabriel423 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loved it

  • @RunarKjeldsberg
    @RunarKjeldsberg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant!!

  • @AquaFX
    @AquaFX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Am I the only one that constantly hears Schumann's Widmung in the piano part? (especially 2:24)

    • @angelodc1652
      @angelodc1652 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      th-cam.com/video/QZIR-eZdvGk/w-d-xo.html

  • @lylecohen1638
    @lylecohen1638 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love how you waited nearly the whole lied for the Im Wunderschönen Monat Mai countermelody

  • @rebeccae5691
    @rebeccae5691 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    SO clever and very funny. Thank you!

  • @abrahamjh5742
    @abrahamjh5742 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    dis is amazing

  • @angiehawkins8289
    @angiehawkins8289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You, sir, are brilliant.

  • @elgarsfaith3194
    @elgarsfaith3194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was so good, great job 😂

  • @musicgeekish
    @musicgeekish 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic! I sang a lot of Schubert lieder in college.

  • @epsifishy1846
    @epsifishy1846 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I just love your channel ! Not only your fugues are incredibly funny and well written, but this Schubert-like Lied is genuinely great (love the Doppelgänger reference), keep it up man, it’s really nice to have some great content out there, congratulations !
    TL;DR : You made my day

  • @iroxursoxwithjello
    @iroxursoxwithjello 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If this was in 24 italian art songs and arias u better BET this was my final peice for my voice degree

  • @Orpherium13
    @Orpherium13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    love that the countermelody is actually just Im wunderschönen Monat Mai lmao 2:09

  • @LucasMLopes26
    @LucasMLopes26 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I liked the Erlkönig easter egg

  • @SchoolofComposition
    @SchoolofComposition 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The TH-cam algorithm knows me well to suggest this. Haha, you’ve made my day!

  • @laceandribbonsviolin
    @laceandribbonsviolin ปีที่แล้ว

    It’s the Wolfbert for me. I think he’s going to be a recurring character in the silly stories I tell my violin students to get them to emote😁🤣

  • @elisaesperante6805
    @elisaesperante6805 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    INCREDIBLE

  • @gliderfan6196
    @gliderfan6196 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant

  • @LucBoeren
    @LucBoeren 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Unironically really pretty

  • @wormswithteeth
    @wormswithteeth 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fab. Waiting for the Ligeti sting 🙌

  • @fatitankeris6327
    @fatitankeris6327 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing.

  • @ferretyluv
    @ferretyluv 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You both sound fine! Don’t beat yourselves up!

  • @MissTschukki
    @MissTschukki 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it😍

  • @johannpetersen1727
    @johannpetersen1727 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    they're doppelgangers was the best kkk

  • @r0mmm
    @r0mmm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is genius!!

  • @terminatos
    @terminatos ปีที่แล้ว

    Dichterliebe? LOL, I recognized it by last part
    There was something about warm May's days

  • @LeBingeDoctor
    @LeBingeDoctor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is as hilarious as your ontological fugue, thanks you!

  • @XxXPringlesNinjaXxX
    @XxXPringlesNinjaXxX 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:17 the strong urge to sing im wunderschönen monat mai I can't even LMAO

  • @josephcowan6779
    @josephcowan6779 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    From the first phrase or two I was already thinking im wundershonen monat mai lol.

  • @MaxLima1
    @MaxLima1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is genius

  • @RechtmanDon
    @RechtmanDon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh. And the music to my audition song!

  • @konstkaras
    @konstkaras 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every romantic lied, so, thank you for finally revealing the truth!

  • @delyar
    @delyar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bravo to the pianist!

  • @isabelballester
    @isabelballester 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yes please keep making masterpieces, I love them so much. Congratulations

  • @classicalduck
    @classicalduck 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This past-my-prime baritone would have a hard time with those G's!

  • @musicallyemi6395
    @musicallyemi6395 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love this! Please tell me you'll put the sheet music out someday, I'd absolutely love a copy!!! It would be so fun to sing this someday!

  • @grantbmilburn
    @grantbmilburn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh yes!! Take me to your Lieder!!!

  • @cryovizard9461
    @cryovizard9461 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    When someone says there can’t be songs without words:

  • @amperni
    @amperni 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lyrics:
    They use suspensions a lot in Lieder
    Repeated motifs, with offbeat piano
    To build emotions: use modulations
    Chromatic tension and ritenuto
    Perhaps I'm finding my love rejected
    Or I've been called up for martial duties
    If so the piano depicts the action!
    Before preparing, The middle section
    A change of texture shows a winter storm is howling
    Chromatic passagework and baritonal growling
    Di minished chords bring strife
    The Neapolitan is quite a larming
    The triplet semiquavers show the heart in mayhem
    But that's assuming you'll find someone who will play them
    The RSI takes hold
    At least we build into the climax
    Preparing the main theme back in the tonic
    A counter melody is common
    But soon we come across a problem
    All these Lieder sound the same
    They are doppelgangers
    The final statement may seem familiar
    But now the cadence is interrupted
    The central motif gets expanded into yet more suspensions
    Dramatic ending

  • @ForsakenDAemon
    @ForsakenDAemon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    brb Cackling at Der Lindenbaum in the central section 🤣