Bill’s biggest flaw is not knowing how to be his own man, one way or another. Surely it stems from his family issues. He wants to be seen as strong but he’s very vulnerable. A lot of the camp seems to get a kick out of getting a laugh at his expense. I think Bill of all characters had the most potential for a change of heart character arc had the prequel been released first. Javier seemed like a survivor, but Bill seemed like he wouldn’t know what to do with himself if he wasn’t running with a crew. It’s a shame we didn’t get to see him stand up to Dutch and Micah toward the end of the game due to the events that must happen in the sequel. I think a reformed Bill could’ve been one of the most wholesome characters in red dead
I was always a little confused about why Bill was so loyal to Dutch, a he was always mocking him. Despite this, I always liked Bill, he’s one of my favorites.
Bill ended up doing his own thing as the leader of his own gang. And his gang must have had hundreds of men, seeing as how John had to mow them down wave after wave at Fort Mercer.
Because Dutch lifted him up and gave him a purpose when Bill was at his lowest point. It’s the same reason they’re all so loyal to Dutch and Bill knows that the mockery is all just talk because when it really came down to it and Bill needed help Dutch and the gang were always ready to back him up like when he was caught by bounty hunters or in the bar fight
It's worth noting that the first recorded use of "deviant" to indicate sexuality was 1912. Usually, etymologists give a twenty year or more gap between coinage and recorded use; meaning the term would definitely have been in use in the 1890s. On the other hand, deviancy as a non-sexual term was first recorded in 1546. Interestingly enough, the use of deviancy (in whichever sense) was not a term used in discharge letters. Just a few facts, make of them what you will.
Bill is underrated , and doesnt deserve the hate he is getting from players , he is just a person who is lost , and Dutch saved him , he is one of the my favorite character
When I played rdr1, I had no problem getting killing Bill. But after rdr2, I don't think it was right for Bill to be killed in such a way. Especially by John.
Ya’know this is probably just me trying to reach really, really hard here but I also wonder if his “deviancy” is also because of Bill’s awkward social interactions. I noticed that he trips over his words often and he tends to laugh during inappropriate times, kinda like Arthur Fleck in the Joker movie. Not full on laughing fits but his little giggles flowed by a deliberate effort in trying to make his point (almost like he’s aware of his laughing and gets a frustrated tone), makes me wonder if there’s a psychological issue that was unfortunately not able to be treated..
I've got anxiety and potentially ASD and I can imagine the laughter is a result of one of those two, if not both. People often laugh to ingratiate themselves to their colleagues and it could have developed into a nervous tic or habit over time. Potential autism could also explain the deviancy charge.
Ah the majestic shoebill bird- I mean Bill williamson Bill is just as tragic as javier he had a good mind but chose the wrong choice almost like Dutch in a way People say he is dumb which is obvious but he had moments of being smart and caring like when micah was bitching to arthur bill shut both of them up. I reckon Bill hated micah which is why he shut them up I can tell he had a friendship with Arthur but didn't show it to probably keep a tough act In the end after Dutch he bacame his own ruler like Dutch and that led to his downfall
@@foodafen7406 not upset lol just saying a comment is the last thing people really need to focus grammar on its literally so unimportant to me and I can read it fine. Fizhy can read it fine cuz he's liked the comment so if you cant read a comment without a full stop then just don't read it lol. Full stops are really only important if you read it out loud and last thing if you find it difficult to read it HOW
Basically, this applies to the U.S. military. A Section 8 is a type of dishonorable discharge granted for sexual DEVIANCY, and was normally used to discharge homosexuals from the military.
You play as Williamson and see how he formed his own gang and probably had a turf war with the Del Lobos since they’re seen occupying fort mercer and the rest of new austin yet 4 years later they’re wiped out from the region and Williamsons gang is said to be the main one by 1911
Bill: “I better not tell anyone about my dishonorable discharge from the army, that would be so embarrassing” Also Bill: *leaves discharge certificate in obvious visible sight for Arthur to read*
Javier Escualla is definitely pronounced Escueya but his name should be Escuela which means School in Spanish, the last name as written in the game makes no sense as a Mexican last name so I believe it was meant to be Escuela and was misspelled in the final game.
Idk if this comment is gonna be controversial or not but I absolutely love bill. To me being a big fan of the first game Arthur is just a “smarter” more liked privileged version of bill. Rockstar even knows this, the conversations these two have with one another are just so telling. It’s like they created yet another angry guy who has some beef with John and praises Dutch
Im a year late here but although im not so sure i see that? Arthur was blindly loyal due to having been raised by the dutch n hosea, and had beef with John because he hated him for leaving the gang & his family behind (which has everything to do with Arthur having himself lost his lil family due to not being serious enough about protecting them). He doesnt really praise dutch though... talks fondly of him but admits to loving Hosea more. Arthur is an angry and depressed man, but keeps that anger well concealed. Bill is angry and deeply insecure, and his anger is explosive and frequent. Bill constantly wants to prove himself, Arthur knows he doesn't have to. Arthur also doesnt vent his personal anger on others... Bill can hardly converse with people without getting mad. I dont know, theyre real different to me. Theyre both fairly sentimental inside and hide that, but they express things so differently.
@@orion5748 that’s why imo a second playthrough is needed to better enjoy the game! Started understanding so much about even the story on my second playthrough. Also I had unintentionally skipped a lot of gameplay (challenges, stranger missions, camp interactions, unique chapter events) so it’s not like replaying felt repetitive
Was hoping for one about Bill Williamson! It was good that you pointed out him being discharged for deviancy doesn’t necessarily mean he is gay. Also your editing is better than ever.
@@Sterge08 All the gang members seem to tease him about him not being as tough as he makes himself out to be so I’m pretty sure it has to do with them teasing his manhood than him being gay. Even if he wasn’t straight that doesn’t mean he’s gay he could be bi because it’s hinted that he was raping women in the first game
It would be really cool if you covered what people did between the main story and epilogue. If any info about this has been shared, it would also be cool to see what characters did between rdr2 and rdr1.
Dude, I don’t even play rdr2 anymore and i still end up watching every fucking new rdr2 video i see and I don’t think there is anything about the red dead universe i don’t know at this point.
I never played Rdr1 but 2 is my favorite game of all time. I just get bummed out because the writers to a good job making you care about Bill and others that turn on you later.
I felt the need to comment this after watching a few "Actual Comments" videos. I see a lot of assholes saying shit like "ur stealing from strange man" or " strange man is better", and I just don't effing understand it. I'm subbed to both of you, and your content is just so obviously different? Like, sure, you make content for the same game, and even the same parts of the game sometimes, but the way you do it is leagues apart. It's like saying that Charlotte Brontë stole from Charles Dickens cuz they both wrote in general about stuff in England. Personally, I like your content more because I like hearing a voice narrating the videos I watch. That's all I wanted to say. Keep up the great work.
For some Reason i always thought Bill was married to Karen,because he punched me three times when i was playing as a mean Arthur, and was Antagonizing Karen in Camp
Nobody knows what happened to bill williamson after the epilogue. But you can buy a newspaper from blackwater that says something about bill still being with dutch and confirms javier goes to mexico. It also says dutch is spotted in tall trees?
y’all forget Javier left john for dead after he was shot off the train, Bill stayed on the train. When john showed up bill was surprised. Bill didn’t side with dutch he sided with survival.
my first playthrough, i really hated bill. but ive really warmed up to him. he's a very complicated man, and it's a shame so many fans don't give him a chance. i wish there was more content about him.
Javier Esqueya I knew but it’s a very common mistake especially with English speaking folks and just pronounce it as it’s spelt without taking to account Javier’s roots LoL I even find myself referring to it as Escuella most of the times since most folks knows it as that. Same thing can be said about Colm O’Driscoll which the game itself (Sean MacGuire) has touched upon. It’s ‘Col-om’ for those wondering btw...
I'm in chapter 4, and bill has to be that rat. Everybody keeps saying it's Micah, but I feel like that's too obvious, with him just being a jerk. Bill acts too stupid and he always seems like he knows more than he lets on.
I’m trying to like bill. All I like rn is his hat!😂 no rly I didn’t pay too much attention to him in the story! I feel like I missed something. That’s Y I’m here.
Bill is the outlaw we (as in me too) would most likely end up being. Like most of us probably wouldn't be all that competent at being an outlaw. You chase the dream of being arthur but your just bill bumbling around with dynamite. Surviving as long as he did, he must have had some craftyness.
I don’t think bill was discharged because he is gay but because he likes to torture people in horrible ways that’s why he wanted to get at Kieran at first so bad
Bill’s biggest flaw is not knowing how to be his own man, one way or another. Surely it stems from his family issues. He wants to be seen as strong but he’s very vulnerable. A lot of the camp seems to get a kick out of getting a laugh at his expense. I think Bill of all characters had the most potential for a change of heart character arc had the prequel been released first. Javier seemed like a survivor, but Bill seemed like he wouldn’t know what to do with himself if he wasn’t running with a crew. It’s a shame we didn’t get to see him stand up to Dutch and Micah toward the end of the game due to the events that must happen in the sequel. I think a reformed Bill could’ve been one of the most wholesome characters in red dead
you are very right
Bill was definitely more likeable than what Micah ever was
I think anyone is more likable than Micah
@@connorchurch3518 I think the electric chair scientist stranger is slightly worse
I always liked Bill tbh
Yeah, Atleast bill care abt the gang and actually have a fun personality(questionably)
Lol don't get to close with Bill or you might end up blackout drunk in his bed🤣🤣
I was always a little confused about why Bill was so loyal to Dutch, a he was always mocking him. Despite this, I always liked Bill, he’s one of my favorites.
Bill was very close with Javier and Javier clearly wasn't turning from Dutch
I get that Bill is cool and funny, but one of your favorites??? Come on…
I liked him too until I played RDR1
Bill ended up doing his own thing as the leader of his own gang. And his gang must have had hundreds of men, seeing as how John had to mow them down wave after wave at Fort Mercer.
Because Dutch lifted him up and gave him a purpose when Bill was at his lowest point. It’s the same reason they’re all so loyal to Dutch and Bill knows that the mockery is all just talk because when it really came down to it and Bill needed help Dutch and the gang were always ready to back him up like when he was caught by bounty hunters or in the bar fight
It's worth noting that the first recorded use of "deviant" to indicate sexuality was 1912. Usually, etymologists give a twenty year or more gap between coinage and recorded use; meaning the term would definitely have been in use in the 1890s. On the other hand, deviancy as a non-sexual term was first recorded in 1546. Interestingly enough, the use of deviancy (in whichever sense) was not a term used in discharge letters. Just a few facts, make of them what you will.
Although, that would mean that it might have been used in the 20 years prior, not that it would have appeared on official documents.
@@Devin_Stromgren That's true.
Yup
I figured Bill was sleeping with prostitutes or worse, engaging in immoral animal husbandry
Bill is underrated , and doesnt deserve the hate he is getting from players , he is just a person who is lost , and Dutch saved him , he is one of the my favorite character
When I played rdr1, I had no problem getting killing Bill. But after rdr2, I don't think it was right for Bill to be killed in such a way. Especially by John.
@@coppercobra88 _"killed by a John"_
*Hol'up*
@@HANKSANDY69420 Make a mountain out of a molehill much? Probably.
@@coppercobra88 No, I just like to point out _sus_ phrasing.
Dutch didn’t save him lmao he used hin
Ya’know this is probably just me trying to reach really, really hard here but I also wonder if his “deviancy” is also because of Bill’s awkward social interactions. I noticed that he trips over his words often and he tends to laugh during inappropriate times, kinda like Arthur Fleck in the Joker movie. Not full on laughing fits but his little giggles flowed by a deliberate effort in trying to make his point (almost like he’s aware of his laughing and gets a frustrated tone), makes me wonder if there’s a psychological issue that was unfortunately not able to be treated..
Every chance
He's undeniably akward, but since he had a rough upbringing it could just be a developmental issue rather than anything he was born with.
@@wacky-physics7506 he may have been beaten by his father, causing brain damage that would never be diagnosed back then
Shit, I do that
I've got anxiety and potentially ASD and I can imagine the laughter is a result of one of those two, if not both. People often laugh to ingratiate themselves to their colleagues and it could have developed into a nervous tic or habit over time. Potential autism could also explain the deviancy charge.
Ah the majestic shoebill bird- I mean Bill williamson
Bill is just as tragic as javier he had a good mind but chose the wrong choice almost like Dutch in a way
People say he is dumb which is obvious but he had moments of being smart and caring like when micah was bitching to arthur bill shut both of them up. I reckon Bill hated micah which is why he shut them up I can tell he had a friendship with Arthur but didn't show it to probably keep a tough act
In the end after Dutch he bacame his own ruler like Dutch and that led to his downfall
No offense, but have you heard of commas and periods?
@@foodafen7406 one I'm a guy I don't have periods 2 it's a TH-cam comment not my exams if you can't read it then don't read it
@@joeskeleton2935 Ok ok, full stops, or whatever the fuck they're called. It's a simple mistake, and I'm sorry to have upset you
@@foodafen7406 not upset lol just saying a comment is the last thing people really need to focus grammar on its literally so unimportant to me and I can read it fine. Fizhy can read it fine cuz he's liked the comment so if you cant read a comment without a full stop then just don't read it lol. Full stops are really only important if you read it out loud and last thing if you find it difficult to read it HOW
@@joeskeleton2935 "I'm a guy, I don't have periods" 🤣🤣🤣😭😭
Oh man thats a Rockstar dialog line if I ever heard one.
Always wanted to know the origin story of Will Billiamson
Good ol' Mary Williamson.
Thank god I'm not the only one who calls him that
Solid comment
Bill was always my favourite of the gang in rdr1 it was good to see his character shown in rdr2
Basically, this applies to the U.S. military. A Section 8 is a type of dishonorable discharge granted for sexual DEVIANCY, and was normally used to discharge homosexuals from the military.
I wish that they did a story dlc for Bill Williamson bridging the gap between RDR1 and RDR2 and great vid.
That would actually be a really good DLC. Maybe one for Javier aswell?
I'd love to see a DLC for Dutch during the gap between RDR1 or RDR2, except the American Venom mission.
You play as Williamson and see how he formed his own gang and probably had a turf war with the Del Lobos since they’re seen occupying fort mercer and the rest of new austin yet 4 years later they’re wiped out from the region and Williamsons gang is said to be the main one by 1911
@@josephstalin2606 That’s exactly how I would imagine it
Origins of…LENNYYYYY!
Bill: “I better not tell anyone about my dishonorable discharge from the army, that would be so embarrassing”
Also Bill: *leaves discharge certificate in obvious visible sight for Arthur to read*
Javier Escualla is definitely pronounced Escueya but his name should be Escuela which means School in Spanish, the last name as written in the game makes no sense as a Mexican last name so I believe it was meant to be Escuela and was misspelled in the final game.
I’ve taken to calling him Will Billiamson. My friends don’t think it’s anywhere near as funny as I do.
Committing to a joke when no one cares I respect that.
Idk if this comment is gonna be controversial or not but I absolutely love bill. To me being a big fan of the first game Arthur is just a “smarter” more liked privileged version of bill. Rockstar even knows this, the conversations these two have with one another are just so telling. It’s like they created yet another angry guy who has some beef with John and praises Dutch
W a h t
Im a year late here but although im not so sure i see that? Arthur was blindly loyal due to having been raised by the dutch n hosea, and had beef with John because he hated him for leaving the gang & his family behind (which has everything to do with Arthur having himself lost his lil family due to not being serious enough about protecting them).
He doesnt really praise dutch though... talks fondly of him but admits to loving Hosea more. Arthur is an angry and depressed man, but keeps that anger well concealed. Bill is angry and deeply insecure, and his anger is explosive and frequent. Bill constantly wants to prove himself, Arthur knows he doesn't have to. Arthur also doesnt vent his personal anger on others... Bill can hardly converse with people without getting mad. I dont know, theyre real different to me. Theyre both fairly sentimental inside and hide that, but they express things so differently.
@@nctsgrassI honestly wish I spent more time with the characters cus I came out of red dead 2 only understanding john and some what arthur
@@orion5748 that’s why imo a second playthrough is needed to better enjoy the game! Started understanding so much about even the story on my second playthrough. Also I had unintentionally skipped a lot of gameplay (challenges, stranger missions, camp interactions, unique chapter events) so it’s not like replaying felt repetitive
I was waiting for this one! Excited to see more origins!
Was hoping for one about Bill Williamson! It was good that you pointed out him being discharged for deviancy doesn’t necessarily mean he is gay. Also your editing is better than ever.
Yeah, but everything else does...
I prefer to believe he is gay.
@@Deadman7600. He likely is, unless it’s just a big joke between members of the gang
Other things point to it as well so I think it's a bit of an Occam's razor that he is.
@@Sterge08 All the gang members seem to tease him about him not being as tough as he makes himself out to be so I’m pretty sure it has to do with them teasing his manhood than him being gay. Even if he wasn’t straight that doesn’t mean he’s gay he could be bi because it’s hinted that he was raping women in the first game
It would be really cool if you covered what people did between the main story and epilogue. If any info about this has been shared, it would also be cool to see what characters did between rdr2 and rdr1.
Dude, I don’t even play rdr2 anymore and i still end up watching every fucking new rdr2 video i see and I don’t think there is anything about the red dead universe i don’t know at this point.
This origins series is so cool. Keep it up
We need to see one about uncle the most unappreciated character in the game
Honestly getting a canon backstory for Uncle would be one of the most interesting pieces of lore.
Uncle is everyone's fav wdym?
I always thought he was called Marion because that was John Wayne’s birth name and his character is the most un John Wayne like character 😂
This the real world reason. But in fiction it was a family name
Another great vid as usual
I never played Rdr1 but 2 is my favorite game of all time. I just get bummed out because the writers to a good job making you care about Bill and others that turn on you later.
You should play 1. Going back to it after playing 2 makes it even better.
Play rdr1 man
You wont regret it
My favorite character and the one I relate the most too. RIP Bill Williamson
Wtf favorite??? How? You played as Arthur and John for 60 hours at least assuming you finished the game and your favorite character is bill? Lmao
What the actual fuck dude?!
@@alejandroromandragoneaceve202 Whats your problem with it. people can have favourites that arent the MC's, Let people have their opinions dude.
@@mechmoh1421 relax, I’ve seen you comment on multiple post saying the same thing. Why do some pixels got you so upset, it’s sad.
@@mechmoh1421 what is your problem with opinions
Damn, fish, this came out faster than I expected
Please more of The Detective Fizhy! They were some of the best gaming ever!
I felt the need to comment this after watching a few "Actual Comments" videos. I see a lot of assholes saying shit like "ur stealing from strange man" or " strange man is better", and I just don't effing understand it. I'm subbed to both of you, and your content is just so obviously different?
Like, sure, you make content for the same game, and even the same parts of the game sometimes, but the way you do it is leagues apart.
It's like saying that Charlotte Brontë stole from Charles Dickens cuz they both wrote in general about stuff in England.
Personally, I like your content more because I like hearing a voice narrating the videos I watch.
That's all I wanted to say. Keep up the great work.
I dont know if he hesitated to say Bill Williamson or he was just getting some breath at the start.
Really cool video! Keep up the good work, Fizhy!
I would love to see an origins video on Simon Pearson.
He was a navy gourmet, stranded at sea, for “FIFTY-FIVE DAYS”
@@b3rn33zybdizzle7 it was only fifty days
@@blakecacini8016 that’s right lol
@@b3rn33zybdizzle7 and not to mention he unfortunately survived.
Another great vid, your rdr2 content is the best keep it up
Bill is one of my favorites!
Nice!
For some Reason i always thought Bill was married to Karen,because he punched me three times when i was playing as a mean Arthur, and was Antagonizing Karen in Camp
fun fact: the name marion is likely a reference to the birth name of john wayne, a similarly combative man with a deep loathing for native americans.
I think you're spot on. His behaviour, including the alcoholism and bigotry, is mirrored in John Wayne, the most famous cowboy (actor).
I wish you could be a better friend to bill as Arthur, I genuinely feel bad for him.
Finally watching this, saw the notification yesterday but was away on holiday so couldn't watch as Internet was naf
Love this RDR2 origin stories bro keep them up
Thank you, I have learnt much from your video's.
6:25 Bill, within seconds of entering the scene, has already set up the main cast to get their shit kicked in because he couldn't say fucking sorry.
You mentioned my comment about Javier’s last name from your last video! You’re welcome
Jack Marston gave bill Williamson in rdr1 what he deserved for killing John Marston
I think you got it mixed up, John killed Bill, Jack killed Edgar Ross
I like these origin videos a lot. But I have enjoyed all of your RDR2 videos tbh. I hope you are able to continue this series. 😁🤠
Idk if bill realises that bill is short for William so his name is William Williamson
Bill is a good dude he just gotta learn to speak for himself, which it looks like he later does in rdr1
Nobody knows what happened to bill williamson after the epilogue. But you can buy a newspaper from blackwater that says something about bill still being with dutch and confirms javier goes to mexico. It also says dutch is spotted in tall trees?
y’all forget Javier left john for dead after he was shot off the train, Bill stayed on the train. When john showed up bill was surprised. Bill didn’t side with dutch he sided with survival.
Loving these videos!
Origins of Hosea
my first playthrough, i really hated bill. but ive really warmed up to him. he's a very complicated man, and it's a shame so many fans don't give him a chance. i wish there was more content about him.
Javier Esqueya I knew but it’s a very common mistake especially with English speaking folks and just pronounce it as it’s spelt without taking to account Javier’s roots LoL
I even find myself referring to it as Escuella most of the times since most folks knows it as that.
Same thing can be said about Colm O’Driscoll which the game itself (Sean MacGuire) has touched upon. It’s ‘Col-om’ for those wondering btw...
Bill Williamson? Ooooooh! Do you mean William Williamson? Son of William William? Grandson of Will.i.am Williams?
just refreshed my sub page and saw this what a dub
That’s why bill and sonny know each other!
Bill Williamson is just Squidward 🥺😭🙏🏼
Bill's real name is Marion? Neat, I use it as an alias for myself sometimes.
Where is the location of the picture at 4:15
I'm in chapter 4, and bill has to be that rat. Everybody keeps saying it's Micah, but I feel like that's too obvious, with him just being a jerk. Bill acts too stupid and he always seems like he knows more than he lets on.
You called it
what about uncle? or maybe talk about dutch and the odriscoll’s feud
Bill is literally me but an alcoholic and an outlaw lmao
"Maybe he got kicked out the army because he liked to hold hot gelding tongs to mens parts"------Kieran Duffy
Thanks I appreciate this. Also I’m not gay
We all know that’s not true bill
Well I don’t care. Let’s rob banks and get enough money for Tahiti.
Plz make one about Lenny
You gonna do one for Hosea?
You should do one on brontes gang.
What editor program do you use and do you write scrpits to your videos?
Daddy fizhy
What the fuck
He’s mine, not yours
😳
Hello my friend
Can you please make a video on Sean!
I used to like mbftw for rdr2 videos; but that was before I found you.
After you done parking the series plz do Sean McGuire
First, great vid btw!
do a video about hosea
“Sleeping rough” 😏
In the bar Bill gives the guy a Scotch kiss 🤪
Bill Lost alot of weight in the first game
Fizhy, what is ur fav game of all time?
Javier would be his friend. Latinos really don't mind being friends with anyone. Just keep your privacy private. And decency would be shown.
Bill has the big gay
Do the origins of Hosea,and then Sean
Somehow I always hated Bill more than Micah lmao, idk why precisely
Plz, Abigail next
I always liked bill.
Bro everyone tried to rob dutch that's how Sean joined BTW did you make one on Sean
EDIT: I don't think he did
just more rdr vids!
You do your research
Is Bill of the rainbow?
I’m trying to like bill. All I like rn is his hat!😂 no rly I didn’t pay too much attention to him in the story! I feel like I missed something. That’s Y I’m here.
Aha! I knew it!!
Consider us lucky
Will Billiamson
First to say
Roadhouse
ZACH JASON
marion is actually gayvin
H E L L O T H E R E !
Sadie Adler plssss
i love la noire
Bill is the outlaw we (as in me too) would most likely end up being. Like most of us probably wouldn't be all that competent at being an outlaw. You chase the dream of being arthur but your just bill bumbling around with dynamite. Surviving as long as he did, he must have had some craftyness.
I don’t think bill was discharged because he is gay but because he likes to torture people in horrible ways that’s why he wanted to get at Kieran at first so bad
I think that’s his way of flirting and its hinted many times that he likes Kieran