Base Unit Battle! Rover P6 vs Citroen DS: Part Two, Road Test!
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- This battle takes to the road, as I compare the Rover P6 V8 3500S with the Citroen D Special in Tasmania. Part One here: • Base Unit Battle! Rove... I manage to pretty much avoid any conclusion because I'm a wuss. I love both!
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Exactly mate...you just nailed it with: "how did we get away from the cosseting suspensions of older cars?". Ans as you say, both cars also had excellent road handling.... Today's cars are a torture on less than perfect roads surfaces...
Agreed
'Torture'? Sounds s bit 'drama queen' to me.......!
You have automotive journalists to thank for that.
@@andymccabe6712 Ever heard of hyperbole as a figure of speech? Probably not, because they don't teach that in internet school.
I think it's a mixture of a dumbing down of the term " handling " , the Clarksonisation of car reviews, cost cutting and making cars idiot proof.
The Nurburgring has destroyed the softly sprung yet good handling car, apparently we all.want race car on the road. And really hard seats that mean you can't sit with anything in your back pocket. Sorry for the rant, great content as always Ian. Thanks
Yes. The press wants everything track worthy. I don't drive on a track.
James May was right.
Although I really like the P6, the DS is a work of art to me. It seems so light and airy in the cockpit. I’m sure you felt ‘joie de vivre’ inside. I think the DS could work as a modern day redesign even 😄
When you think of what was around when the DS was launched, it was like something from another planet. Excellent vlog as always Ian .😊
I've been waiting for this. In the late 1960's I was a mechanic in a local garage and we had a DS for service some one pushed the car against a wall unknown to him was the fact the car rose up when started and the boot was under a sink when it was started next day it rose up and pulled the sink away from the wall and we had to repair the body damage.
You think that's bad . In France,during the early days of this Citroen (ID 19 ), many a cat got crushed in winter time,on cars parked outside. The cat would go under the car to keep warm from the central muffler,no one told the cat that the car slowly sinks to almost no ground clearance, because the hydraulic pressure is slowly released from the suspension back to the hydraulic tank under the bonnet. That is why the cars always look so low when they have been parked for a few hours.
@@RussEdgar445y7tlfjHee Hee. I have to think about that with mine as our dog loves getting under the car to warm herself on the exhaust. Another bit of trivia. When the first DS came out they gave them to employees to test drive. One employee parked beside a LH kerb, got out of the LH drivers door and locked the car up overnight. In the morning the car had sunk down and he could not get the door open because of the kerb. They did not have a key lock in the passenger side. They then fixed that by having key locks on both sides.
Two reasons for the front handbrake. The other is that being trailing arm, you can't lock the rear wheels as it would prevent the car from being able to sink or rise.
@@HubNut Only an 'issue' if parked in gear as other wise the front would move forward/backward accordingly. Even so, it wouldn't be an issue - and maybe it'd have been a good idea for the parking brake to disable height control and fix it where it was to avoid all the other potential problems - either fixed at height or at zero pressure - so it sank quickly to its resting state. Also heard of varying height cars moving such that they reduce handbrake application pressure resulting in cars rolling away !
I do wonder how many door bottoms got jammed on low walls with sinking cars !
@@RussEdgar445y7tlfj We once had a truck parked, handbrake off for a few days. Then moved it a short distance and found the handbrake didn't work - the valve being stuck in the off position after being standing so long like that.
In the early 70s, a truck was parked nearby and somehow its brakes failed while unattended and it rolled down a hill, crossed a road, and continued diagonally down the road it was on until it ran into a terraced house.
The motoring press demands that every car nowadays has a 'sporty' suspension and handling at the expense of comfort and today's car seats are like sitting on wooden benches. With today's pothole ridden roads we need more cars that are comfortable like old Citroens.
I remember the first time I sat in a Volkswagen. Horrid.
Worst I experienced was a recent Audi S4. Horrendous ride.
I drive a five year old Citroen and it has lovely comfortable seats and ride...!
My Picasso is now 17 years old, no probs with comfort, but unlike the Audi A4 I had on lease a few years ago, the Citreon has no pretense that it has to go anywhere super quick.
Agree. Suspensions seemed tuned to satisfy motoring journos who want to throw a car round a track and have maximum fun for their test drive, whereas most people want a nice comfortable suspension for their daily commute. Or is it a German thing? Cars are tuned for their market of autobahns and smooth roads and to hell with anywhere else? Who knows.
Either of those cars could make me very happy. However, while a good example of either is an absolute joy, a poor example of either is a world of pain.
Two of my favorite cars. The Rover's brilliant engineering was undone by British Leyland's horrific manufacturing methods. But when it was running right the Rover was luxurious and very fast. I also owned a D-Special, just like the one shown here, with a beautiful four-on-the-column shifter. The Citröen was like no other car. Once you've owned one, no matter what comes after, you will always miss the big Citröen. Watching this delightful comparison reminds me how fortunate I was to drive in the 1960s.
That Citroen was beautiful love it the stile the grace of driving that for me I'd feel like royalty as the rover brilliant video ian
You hit the nail on the head there Ian about ride and comfort . Considering the awful road surfaces we have at the moment. Not only do we have cookie cutter car designs at the moment, but nearly every car has rock hard seats and suspension. Fortunately my 03 S80 I have at the moment has a lovely smooth ride..
Thank you for doing this, I've always wanted to see these two tested back to back. Both brilliant cars in their own unique way.
Superb head-to-head, Ian. "Deliciously different... different is good". Well said. Please also thank the owner of the two cars - in such super condition - kudos. I agree completely about the uncomfy harsh firm ride of modern cars. Why? Was it 'idiot motoring journalists' taking comfy road cars on test tracks and trying for fast laps, and also lurid tail slides for front page photographs - and then complaining the suspension was too soft!? I don't know. Great video, good camera positions, great driving and excellent commentary. Many thanks. Best wishes.
Completely Agree!
You have a point there, about the "idiot motoring journalists". They never understood the greatness of the hydropneumatic suspension. (But the DS was also a great car in many rallies)
Motoring journal cists like Clarkson et-al have had a ridiculous thirty year obsession with walloping every car round a race track like overgrown boy racers, I stopped watching top gear and others because of this, I hope that one day we may get back to a more grown up approach, maybe car designers/manufacturers will then have the courage to present us with a truly comfortable car (that isn't a Rolls Royce or a Bentley ) in future ?
I remember when the P 6 Rover came to Aust, I had an Uncle who bought one, it was a luscious car beautiful to ride in and had the lovely smell of leather
This is really one of the very best test videos out there. Greta stuff. Thanks!
The Citroen was so far ahead of it's time and truly individual design of the likes we will never see again. But I have to say the aesthetics of the Rover both inside and out are more to my taste, not to mention that wonderful V8.
The DS is a dream car. Unique design. Two friends drove a DS from Bergen, Norway to Senegal (!) some fifteen years ago. A charity rally Budapest - Dakar. What an adventure! But I do find the hydraulics scary, at least for a DIY guy. And a five speed gear box is a must. I like the elegant, understated Rover as well, of course. But I remember when Norwegian car owners used to buy a LOT of UK cars. Then build quality issues with BL (and also, Vauxhall) made many people switch to Japanese cars. Rovers were not uncommon on our roads 40 years ago, suddenly they all disappeared. While most German and Swedish cars soldiered on. A sad demise of a long-lasting car buying tradition.
The hydropneumatic suspension is not that hard to work with, especially on the DS, it's fairly simple and has less fragile parts that are prone to failure than newer Citroëns
But you do have to speak french or know someone who does in order to find certain spare parts
Wow. Nearly had tears in my eyes watching this. I grew up in the DS as my father was a manager for Citroen in Paris. I fondly remember the holidays to the south of France effortlessly cruising in the 21. We immigrated to Perth when I was 10 in 1976 and I ended up owning 2 V8 P6s there in the late 1980s. The automatic 3500 and the 3500S which I fitted with the far superior SD1 5speed. Both were immaculate and the manual was in the dark brown like the one here. So this was very special for me. Thank you
Ian, enjoyed both parts of this road test comparison very much! Thankyou.
This short series of 3 videos is arguably your best work yet. Seriously good work Ian, I really enjoyed these.
This brought back fond memories for me, My dad had a 1972 2L TC P6 that took us on our family summer hols all over Europe in the late 70's and whilst there, I remember being fascinated by the DS that were a common sight on the roads of France ... I never appreciated how much they had in common ..
Brilliant...two of my all time favorite classic cars in one video, just love the colour of the DS, lovely interior, thank you Ian, fantastic video
What a tremendous video Ian, that looked enormous fun and two cars on my ultimate wishlist. Thanks.
Another great review Ian. Thanks for the details with two beauties.
Deux magnifiques voitures un bonheur à l'oeil, merci beaucoup pour la vidéo :)
I've been looking forward to that one ever since you hinted at it some weeks ago. I was not disappointed. Excellent job. I would have to agree with you that you cna't choose one over the other, just have them both. Video of the month. Excellent work Ian.
Loved that Hubnut. So glad we did not have to wait too long, the suspense was killing me.... :-)
Another treat, both such desirable classics. Gosh that P6 is superb though so quiet with go, the 3500S really is wonderful. Thanks for another great test Mr H.
My DS21 is a semi-auto - anytime you want to drive it Iain it’s yours!! 😃 Now that a D has been in HubNut I may have to invest in some merch!! 🤣
The DS is an iconic car, no doubt about it, French engineering genius! As the owner of a P6 3500, I've always been a fan of the DS- which inspired the Rover engineers when they designed the P6. Two truly outstanding cars. Happy motoring Tristan! :)
Another great video, I find these films really enjoyable, always interesting and informative.
The marvelous P6 is one of the most underrated cars of 60s-70s.
I actually prefer the 2200 TC to the 3500 or 3500S, but I must admit that typical rover V8 burble is attractive
Well said. I prefer the V8.
I think pretty much most of Rovers and British Layland’s cars were underrated.
It seemed more popular to mock them, rather than appreciate them - for no other reason than, just because.
@Steve Terry Well OHC does add complication. You need to add chains or belts to drive them. Actually I think I prefer the (short) push rods in this case.
Michael B
It’s hard to preciate anything from BL. They had all the possibilities but only managed to ruin the british motoring industry. Lousy quality control and products noone wanted.
Isn't it great when you've just watched part 1 and part 2 gets posted!!
I was waiting with bated breath for the second part of this one.
That Citroen must have been pure science fiction when it was released.
It was pure science fiction when I encountered one with Quebec license plates in Maine about 40 years ago. Only one I've seen to date. Seeing the car rise to standard height after starting was an experience I have never forgotten.
Lots of new technology in that car. Firs with turning lights in corners.....
My grandfather was 42 years old when this car was released and even though he never had the chance to buy one he was still talking about it 40 years later
So the 'Retardistanis' banned it!
Not the easiest car to get recovered after breakdown, I know
A bit more P6 commentary - Our local P6 guru told me that one of the things done to get the V8 into the P6 was to widen the front track, and that this slightly compromised the geometry and handling. I've got two P6's, being a 2000TC and a P6B (automatic), and I think he's right. My 2000TC seems much more 'sports saloon' and my late P6B more 'executive barge'. However I've yet to own a 3500S, which from all accounts is the best of the lot. Cheers and thanks for another great video Hubnut.
After day of hard work from home, watching a video of cars I hope to drive myself one day (I don't think I will ever own one) is a real treat. Thank you for this video Ian.
Great video thanks Ian! My two favourite cars together at last. I had a '73 P6 3500 but lusted after an S. One day...
The two videos covering these cars is definitely going in my favourites box! 👍
it’s neat to watch you driving around my city. I already guessed which bumpy road you were heading for 😂
Amazing that these cars designed so long ago, deliver such a good ride and handling.
Need an early XJ review now, please.
Brilliant Ian
One of your best reviews to date.
I love both and have owned a DS23 Pallas and the Rover...went on to a P5B....endless trouble but it was almost worth it..all fabulous and couldn't decide...great video thank you :)
Column gear shifters were outstanding, my dad had a Renault 16, I love the shifter, far more natural than a floor shifter.
Very much depends on the manufacturer! Some column shifts are awful.
Yeah, loved the old R16 shifter. If felt so much classier changing gear like that. R16s were comfort machines too.
Agreed - my first car was a 16TL, the gearchange was superb. Much better than the 18 I replaced it with; it took until getting to a BMW E34 to find a gearchange that matched it.
@@PedroConejo1939 My father preferred my 16 to his Mk. IV Zodiac - a lovely old barge in its own right.
Yeah, my mate had a late Zodiac. Amazing to slide about the back in but I prefer the R16 too.
What a fun test, the best.Two superb cars, refined, classic, fun, different. Still relevant to day and what a shame we dont get such suspension compliance today.
I was waiting for your verdict but although I've never driven either, I think I would struggle too, both magnificent!
Still recall staring in awe at a DS as a child on holiday in Hastings. We were staying at the same hotel as a French family in the early 70s who had one parked outside. And when the suspension rose at the back, to me it was like something out of a sci-fi movie. Guess I was easily pleased at the time!
I have saved these two videos for a chilled zone, this is awesome.
In the late 70's an old P6 was the second car I ever owned but it was also, as you so rightly say, one of the most comfortable cars of the time, or any time and with great handling. Mine was a mere 2200TC, the interior was identical with tan leather seats but with a white body - fun late at night coming up behind a boy racer as the police were just retiring them as traffic cars... happy memories.
Great video Ian 👍. I wouldn’t be able to decide between the two so would have both I think. Imagine how epic a flat 6 air cooled DS would have been!
OK, THAT DOES IT, I need to get my P6 going again.
Please do a video diary of you getting your P6 back on the road 😁
@@plym1969 Yes, can do. 👍
Same here with my P5B
the colour on each of those is lovely, especially the rover. I have driven a 3500S in the 90s from near mcr airport to derby, and back. lovely car to drive.
Alway great to see someone enjoying the work in these strange times
Thank you. Very fortunate to be sitting on a backlog!
That was a absolute cracking review Sir
The picture switch from DS to P6 perfectly contrasts the interior differences between these two beauties. A great comparison between two utterly relaxing and stylish drives.
Both cars beautifully cared for.would love to have a drive of them.
Great series and much appreciated. My first car was a P6 2000 TC and my fourth a D Special, followed by a DS21 BVH and, later, a CX and another DS. All passed on to others now, but all missed. A look at the BVH 'Citromatic' would be great if you can get your hands on one. Your series on the GSA is great too, those are even less (like never) seen here in the US than the Ds and P6s.
Well these two videos are the high water mark of the Hubnut antipodean car tests. Two such interesting cars and a brilliantly informative commentary. So much more fulfilling to have a compare and contrast than just a review of a single car. And what fabulous cars! You really couldn't say which was better so I totally agree with your conclusion. I love the slim pillars of the DS, it's suspension the rear wheels location and it's sharklike shape. The Rover has that huge overhanging boot which isn't pretty. But the Rover's ride, handling and engine set a benchmark and still feels poised and modern. David Bache was at his zenith when he came up with it. First class.
Having owned 4 P6's ( 2x 2000, 2x3500 auto) previously I think number 5 has to be on the shopping list. My original series 1 2000 was great, low reving, tons of torque and would pull in top from ridiculously low speeds. You mention the handling and I was working at Rover at the time and living in Redditch which has lots of roundabouts, the old 2000 could easily be drifted out of them of under power, great fun, safe and predictable. The contemporary road test reports used to refer to the P6's "sports car handling" (bearing in mind a sports car at the time was an MGB).....
Phenominal, Thanks Ian. Peak Rover, and Peak Citroen, beautiful and interesting cars, great videos and review.
I sure miss my old Alfa Romeo 33 1.7..thank you for sharing these wonderful machines sir, cheers from Portugal.
There is no way to choose between them. They are both wonderful for all the reasons already said. Makes me feel so nostalgic. Cheers
Hey Ian, I wanted to tell you that I love the show, I’m a transplanted Brit from Birmingham living in Nebraska USA. Your show brings back a lot of lovely memories of the cars we owned. I like the fact that you are so down to earth, and your honesty about the cars is refreshing. We owned both of these cars, just different models. and they both had a distinctive charm. I was amazed at the ride comfort in the DS Citroen and how thick the carpets were especially in the back of the car. I honestly didn’t like the look of the car at first because we had a Gold CX. before this DS. (I loved the look of the CX) but After having the car for a while I loved the car and it’s distinctive looks . It’s nice to own something that looks a little different from every other cookie cutter regular car. And this is probably why I own a scion XB today. Cubism is cool! Lol. This is a great comparison video. We had the 4 cylinder baby blue Rover 2000 due to gas costs. I liked the ride in the River also. It also has a nice look and stance. The Rover didn’t have the world class soft ride of the DS but it still had a nice ride for the car. they are both amazing cars in their own right. . Thank you for bringing back some great memories. Keep up the good work. God bless.
I remember the DS well as a kid from the early 60s - even then it stood out as being decades ahead of its time, at least in body design, with quite a few interesting and unique engineering innovations as well, apparently, if not the actual engine itself. I love those seats and the interior as well. Stylish, or what? That you are driving one six decades later, are suitably impressed, says volumes.
This is one of my favourite Hubnut videos ever.
Great, enjoyable road test. Both excellent cars. I agree the P6 was a fine handling car, you could take to it's limits without fear of the thing tripping over it's self, as I found with my Series IV Super Snipe, you can go round corners quite fast in my Series V strangely due to anti-roll bar on the rear! Would love to drive a DS one day.
Nah......certainly no cop out. how could you possibly say one is better than the other! Two wonderful motor cars indeed. Thank you, great video.
Various family members had a range of P6s during the late 1960s early 1970s, they were great cars. Not without their build quality faults, my favourite of which was the vinyl roof that filled with air at high speed. As a child, I remember being a passenger in a P6 V8 doing 100mph for the first time, naughty naughty.
I have owned 4 cars (among many others) which I consider the best road driving experiences of my life: The Rover 3500S, the Citreon ID, the Peugeot 504D, and the Jaguar XJ6 (1971). Passengers in the Rover with me compare its take off the line to taking off in an aeroplane. Build quality could have been better, but a sweetheart car. The Citreon also had quality problems but when it ran right it was magnificent - except the engine, underpowered and a little rough. The Peugeot 504D was a delight, suspension, handling, and a smooth diesel. The Jaguar towers above all, except of course build quality, but perfect handling suspension and a beautiful hemi straight 6, impressive to look at but demanding frequent maintenance were its dominant characteristics. Good video, loved it - brought back these memories.
Both are absolutely awesome - however the Citroen would be the one I take home. The colour is fab. Superb video Ian - really made my day!
This brought back memory's. I had a 1975(N-plate) 3500 auto in that brown, and my father had a 1974( L-plate) DS super 5.
I remember as a child in the '70's, Christopher Lee drove a black DS in one of Disney's Witch Mountain films. I thought it was pretty futuristic back then. Thanks for the memories Ian, much appreciated 😎
Thanks Ian,I really enjoyed that! The P6 is a favourite of mine,never occurred to me there might be similarities between it and the Citroen. I wonder who's going to be first to put a Rover V8 in a DS! (There's a challenge for someone!) Keep up the good work.
That was great. Can't possibly decide which I prefer, they both have great charm and character.
Excellent video Ian, I think you were right to not pick a winner as there is no real point in doing so, I think personally I would feel more at home in the Rover as it is more conventional but both seem great cars. What a joy to follow someone without losing them as would be the case where I live. Cheers.
Fabulous review, of two awesome cars
I love that DS in that colour and interior trim!
Hi Ian, awesome video,nice road test on these two,the P6 Rover were used as a police car,for cornering they stuck the road well,the Citroen handled is well too.
A great video(!); I think I would, by a small margin, go for the Rover; (as an aside, the SD1’s live axle had a torque tube, like the 505 estate)
Two of my favourite cars in one video -- brilliant! I had 2 P6's long ago, but never a DS. Did have 3 GS's though!
Ah the GS, wonderful car!!
One of your best, Ian.
Two of my absolute favourite cars, really enjoyed this video and all your videos. Would love to see you in a mkiv Zephyr/Zodiac....🤞👍
Interesting comparison. As I think I've mentioned in another of your videos, I owned a P6 V8 automatic back in the early 1980's and loved it to bits. It was a bit thirsty around town and a bugger to park as it didn't have power steering, but I used to get 28 mpg on a run and it was a joy to drive with bags of power and a lovely smooth ride. I've driven a DS a couple of times and found it a bit strange, only because it's such a different experience to a "normal" car, but there's no doubt that it was years ahead of its time. Here in Spain they're known as the "Tiburón" (shark) because of their shape.
Got to love the DS! One of my dream cars.
Give me comfort over speed any day. I had a rover 2000 sc and a v8 loved them both.
Memories of being overtaken by many a DS in the 1970s on the A6 Paris Lyon autoroute, left trumpet flashing permanently, 90-100mph. We were in the back of mum n dads mk3 Cortina on camping trips to Cote d'azur. Good times 😀
I used to work on rovers in the mid 70s , i must admit i loved driving the 3500s rover, nto many owners realised there was a hidden tool kit in dashboard, ofter used to get the double ended screwdrivers from the kit !1
Great! É um prazer conhecer carros que eu nunca vi pessoalmente.
Been doing 10,000 miles a year in my P6 V8 both summer and winter. Perfect practical classic.
Both cars are marvellous in their own ways, but as I've lusted after the DS since my mid/late teens, my vote just has to go to the Goddess. Ace vid as ever, Ian. :)
The recess in the top of the dashboard, under the RV- mirror on The D Special is in fact the original mount of the radio speaker!
Great video,as always Ian, many thanks,...... for me it's the Rover with that lovely v8, but i reccon the citroen was a super car to drive also!
Great review great cars my favourite is the DS such a comfortable advanced car and still turns heads today. Still remember my first trip and it was wow!
For me the greatest car of the twentieth century. Loved the Rover too another car ahead of its time.
Unfortunately, never had the chance to drive one of these two cars, but if you tell Ian, it should be a great drive.
In my grandmothers' village near Bruges in Flanders, I remember a physician called Dr. De Rover. He drove a Rover P6 -remembering the sound it must have been a 3500 - while in Belgium any English car except for the mini was rather an exception.. As a child I was so impressed by this man who had a car called after him. And by the car as well. Rover in Flemish means 'robber' ....
I owned a Renault 5 in the early 80's, the original, directly imported from France so a different color from the usual American LeCars. The ride on that tiny car was so great, seats so comfortable! Both of my parents owned Peugeot 504's at the time, equally comfortable. My Nissan SUV has rock-hard seats and a ride to match. I think it's a generational divide between concentrating on comfort and what kids today like...
My mother had a red P6 V8, which I drove a lot. I adored it. My Dad had a XJ6 which I didn't like as much, the Rover seemed more alive. The reserve petrol control on mums car gave you about another 500 yards before it konked out!
P6 side light tops - is probably the feature about the cars I most remember.
Friends of my parents had a white P6 - and I guess mention Rover cars and I think that was the car that always came to mind.
I wanted a Ds for 14yrs then moved to Australia where there was a place that restored them 5min away, that made me want one even more. When I moved back to Manchester I bought myself one and 2yr into a full restoration. Absolutely fantastic cars. I also wanted a P6 strangely!! F.E
Love both cars. Excellent video. P6 one of my all time favourite cars. I currently have a top of the range Rover 75 CDTI Tourer. I'd happily swap it for a P6 if a tidy one came along. Last owned a 3500 P6 back in 1980 & loved it
Great. Two of my favourite cars (third would be the Studebaker Avanti). Great footage, gives a true feeling of driving these cars. (I experienced the DS as a child since my parents best friends had one.) Love the fabric in the DS (the radio not so much…).
I was 8 yrs. old in 1956 and lived in a terraced house. My mother’s uncle lived next door and he worked in a local family owned business. The owner used to visit him quite often and he drove an Armstrong Siddeley Star Sapphire which always captivated me. Coming home from school one day I turned onto our street about 100 yards from our houses. Someone had parked a spaceship outside uncle Tommy’s. His boss had bought a DS and this was my first encounter with one. I’ve no words to describe my utter amazement on swing this futuristic object. My friend’s dad had a Ford Prefect ( sit up and beg model), my dad had a 1939 Austin 8, they could have been stagecoaches compared to this unbelievable piece of engineering and design. I’ve been a Citroen devotee ever since. It’s heartbreaking to see what has become of this visionary company but at least they still exist (for now), Rover have unfortunately disappeared. Just to address that constantly leveled accusation of rolling into corners, what do these reviewers expect from a car built for comfort? In real world driving I would much prefer a relaxed, comfortable journey of 100 miles or so rather than a hard riding, bum breaking frenetic rev box in which to travel. I’m sorry but the likes of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche et al leave me totally cold. Will we see a definite preference of one over the other in episode 3? You should really Ian as both these cars have well deserved admirers and are such “strong meat” as to inspire a preference. I’m not asking which is the best, only which you prefer.