This RC Lowrider Can Bounce ALL 4 Wheels off the Ground!

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  • The RedCat Monte Carlo RC Lowrider is really cool, but... the stock servos are pretty slow! So I fitted 4 Super Fast servos with a reaction time of 0.07s! It now bounces all 4 wheels off the ground! haha
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  • @justincase2384
    @justincase2384 2 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    Came for the lowrider, stayed for the bouncing seals

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hahahaha

    • @I_am_BiG_Al
      @I_am_BiG_Al 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I just came on my hand

  • @storyracing387
    @storyracing387 2 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    I'd be willing to bet, if Redcat came out with a clear body for it, you'd see a ton awesome art work come out!

    • @Semtex199
      @Semtex199 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      theres a Buick Grand National clear body on aplastics-rc, it should work as its 1/10 as well

    • @storyracing387
      @storyracing387 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Semtex199 I've seen that. It's at my LHS.

    • @soy1de3aztlan
      @soy1de3aztlan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They got some clear body’s of the 79 Monte they just haven’t put em available to purchase for know I guess they waiting on all the clear body’s to arrived!!!!

    • @masjuggalo
      @masjuggalo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dont forget a 1/10 sct and alot of the drag cars have a 1/8 wheelbase. Redcat does have a rolling chassis kit though

    • @markoramirezz
      @markoramirezz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They do it’s on their website

  • @holeeshietpyro4072
    @holeeshietpyro4072 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    this would have blew my mind when i was a kid in the 90's. I was building them with small motors and fishing line in plastic models.

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice!

    • @blackblack8224
      @blackblack8224 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      me too and they sucked or i sucked at building them

  • @csj9619
    @csj9619 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Full-size "hoppers" generally have the back on full lock-up to hop the front end.

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yes, next job is to get it a little more controlled for a ‘full hop’

    • @rogueFactor
      @rogueFactor 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TomleyRC not sure if you remember the The Mods craze back in the 60s over in your neck of the woods, but it was a whole lifestyle wasnt, it? We did the EXACT "Mods" thing with lowrider bicycles over here. Anyhoo, this stupid car takes me right back to my wee days strollin' through Summertime.. i still have it in the box, inside the shipping box. inside the attic box. #LowRiders #BarrioLife #40Somethings

  • @SuperScottCrawford
    @SuperScottCrawford 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's funny people from England enjoying low riders.

  • @Lickety-Split
    @Lickety-Split 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When I was a kid I learned how to make these out of model cars with coat hangars as the chassis and suspension, electric motors and dental floss. Very few might know what I'm talking about

    • @spunchbib4599
      @spunchbib4599 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      did you grow up in prison

    • @fly.dy1
      @fly.dy1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@spunchbib4599 LMAOOO

  • @brsrc759
    @brsrc759 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Well that worked out well! Awesome!
    Those bouncing seals were hilarious 🤣🤣🤣

  • @OscarOliu
    @OscarOliu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I remember buying Revell model kits, taking just the frame, wheels, and body, and wiring little 5v motors with a bent piece of copper wire, and a little remote battery pack we made out of our old 27MHZ RC receivers and using fishing string to connect the motor to the rod, and bouncing the cars up and down like that.

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha… old school engineering

  • @davidhiscock1969
    @davidhiscock1969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Mad thing indeed. Very cool. Just needs led underglow lights now

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes 👌

    • @davidhiscock1969
      @davidhiscock1969 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TomleyRC a bit "pimp my ride" but wouldn't look out of place lol . Got a home for the servos you took off if up for grabs 😊

  • @apineda716
    @apineda716 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thats cool. I like the dance at the end !

  • @robsrcinsanity1220
    @robsrcinsanity1220 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great upgrades! She’s hoppin now!!!👍🏻🍻

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers Rob

  • @R.B_B
    @R.B_B 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Nice upgrade. A hard springs will inprove even more the bounce

  • @tonyromano6220
    @tonyromano6220 ปีที่แล้ว

    You have reached a new level of something.

  • @BangForYourBuckRc
    @BangForYourBuckRc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Laughing my bloody butt off all the way through this video!🤣😝😂 It’s freakin awesome! Phil!😆😝🍻

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha.. cheers mate

  • @arturtakahasi57
    @arturtakahasi57 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The RC car’s getting excited.

  • @SlowerIsFaster139
    @SlowerIsFaster139 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was epic

  • @Emiel1313
    @Emiel1313 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Look at that thing dancing 😄👍🏼

  • @soy1de3aztlan
    @soy1de3aztlan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice I like how it performs with em servos !!! The 300 Reef’s servos are krazy they make the car go way to krazy!!!

  • @andy2more475
    @andy2more475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    More power! Great idea, would like one for my collection. Thanks man!

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No probs dude

  • @Average_Bruh
    @Average_Bruh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I use one of those 32kg JX servo in my EX07 for steering. Loads more responsive.

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes they are decent

  • @fatpikacu303
    @fatpikacu303 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The dance!!😂

  • @alexcrowder1673
    @alexcrowder1673 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    These things always seemed so dumb to me until I actually rode in one and started bouncing around. You can bet I was grinning ear to ear by the end lol. I dont know much about how full sized lowriders work, but this little rc looks like it has all the bells and whistles of the big ones.

  • @dodge5522
    @dodge5522 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like the quick servos thanks for sharing just subbed

  • @Hamzamakesfunvideos
    @Hamzamakesfunvideos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    WOW DUDE SUCH AN AWESOME CUSTOMIZATION!!! KEEP IT UP DUDE!! LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!!! 😃🙏

  • @thierrymaillard820
    @thierrymaillard820 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Tomley RC ! Great video as always 👌🏼! This Low Rider is awesome ! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

    • @vbspeed7571
      @vbspeed7571 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi from V&b Speed a new rc community channel stop in say hi thank u ✌️

  • @George.T.83
    @George.T.83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    03:20 so much fun 😅😅😂😂

  • @mikealexis
    @mikealexis ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome looking very nice

  • @smallsoundrc9678
    @smallsoundrc9678 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That’s one awesome lowrider great Quality thanks for a bit more inside to what it can do and what inside as can’t see much about them online great video 🤘🏼

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No probs dude… a few more tweaks to come

    • @smallsoundrc9678
      @smallsoundrc9678 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TomleyRC look forward too seeing the tweaks. pimp my ride

  • @ericgoings506
    @ericgoings506 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the car hopping, I now want one to do the same thing and give to my son for his birthday, he be so happy. He going to cry happyness

  • @noorulameenkhan1
    @noorulameenkhan1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    cool, reminds me of Ramone from Disney cars

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Pretty fantastic work, Tomley!!! 😂
    It's much better now! It's fun as hell! 😂
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheers dude… it’s funny at normal speed haha

  • @BeHappyWithUrLife
    @BeHappyWithUrLife 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A smile for my Sunday morning 😁

  • @lelomiliken7598
    @lelomiliken7598 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that bunny hopping. Must learn this 💯💥💥💥.

  • @stevesadownpicker1519
    @stevesadownpicker1519 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bloody brilliant I haven't laughed so much for ages! 👏👍

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha… glad you enjoyed it

  • @GodMode823
    @GodMode823 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That looks so great in slow motion.

  • @999benhonda
    @999benhonda 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Redcat, often put down or laughed at by traxxas owners ...yet look at all the models that they have had that none of the big boys would have done. 15 years ago, rtr 4 wheel steer crawlers, 1/8 scale and then 1/5 scale crawler...1/5 scale electric, that 3 wheeled trike...the low rider, redcat has brought stuff to market that other companies haven't tried or before other companies did.

  • @morganmarston
    @morganmarston ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks awesome in slowmo!

  • @RACEABLE
    @RACEABLE 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am laughing because you found a way to have fun with a car that is still!😅💪👍👋👋👍👋👍👋👋

  • @davidnyondo3419
    @davidnyondo3419 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing mate looks awesome

  • @M.A.S.Ked-Crusader
    @M.A.S.Ked-Crusader 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great build mate, very cool

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers dude

  • @MauzyrockRC
    @MauzyrockRC 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Freakishly wonderful!

  • @garyrobinson7128
    @garyrobinson7128 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great fun!!

  • @NoLimitRC87
    @NoLimitRC87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Been looking forward to seeing this since you put the photo of it hopping 👌

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😎🤟

  • @Welshrobb
    @Welshrobb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lol. Thats insane 😳. Its like a jackhammer.. Well done buddy 👍 left a thumbs up 👍

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha… cheers dude

  • @eddierich4556
    @eddierich4556 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice👍🏾great job😁

  • @JurassicJordan808
    @JurassicJordan808 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This thing is dope now that you fixed it haha. Great job as always mate bang on!!

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheers dude

  • @pinheadrc6027
    @pinheadrc6027 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video mate!

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers dude

  • @jameswilliamson8125
    @jameswilliamson8125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for another awesome video my friend great channel

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers James

  • @LoweredCongress
    @LoweredCongress 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THIS IS SOOO DOPEEEE

  • @chriswhite2824
    @chriswhite2824 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Quality videos of this car Phil yessss 😍😍😍👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers Chris 👌

  • @dexterbeattie7884
    @dexterbeattie7884 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Epic 😂love it

  • @stevewest7260
    @stevewest7260 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You can get low profile servos which weigh a 1/4 less, for more bounce. cool

  • @mugglepower
    @mugglepower 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thats quite smart. It nicely hits the niche of ppl who likes lowrider culture but ain't quite dedicated to invest in a legit lowrider vehicle. Never really seen any official rc that's out of the box like this.

  • @SharkysGarageRCandMore
    @SharkysGarageRCandMore 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So much fun, i love it !
    Wonder what the new D'mond servo's would do in this ???

  • @dankrafted
    @dankrafted 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this setup would be perfect for that Arduino kit that replicates pitch and roll so the car wobbles and rocks as you turn and stop etc. once cool lookin RC car

    • @vbspeed7571
      @vbspeed7571 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi from V&b Speed a new rc community channel stop in say hi thank u ✌️

  • @rogueFactor
    @rogueFactor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    two things. the views on this episode are ridiculouso! i had a feeling it would pop for you. nicely done, sir!

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, it’s done okay! Cheers dude 👌

  • @LunchBoxRc504
    @LunchBoxRc504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice ride, love the jevries line! Would this servo be good for 8th scale vehicle like the kraton? Of not what would you recommend? Thnx! 🤘🏾✌🏾

  • @kennethgomez4315
    @kennethgomez4315 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I will def be purchasing one of these soon. When I was a kid they made a wired hopper like this but it wasn't full function all it did was hop. But sitting in front of my house playing with it was a fond memory of mine

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha, awesome… I bet it was cool still

  • @irwadizaini7037
    @irwadizaini7037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your videos never disappoint.
    Edit: perhaps repaint the body with killer pattern like real life

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheers dude 😎🤟

  • @dustinlerch9272
    @dustinlerch9272 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Orale holmes, ruthless vato!

  • @Weeklongwind647
    @Weeklongwind647 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish I could afford this rc car… it’s so cool and they only have a few left in stock 😭😭😭

  • @islandrc-duke1972
    @islandrc-duke1972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool RC and great review

  • @BlackBirdFPV
    @BlackBirdFPV 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Plastic frame to the 32kg servo
    I am joke for you?
    Dude so funny, love it!

  • @rcchallenge8626
    @rcchallenge8626 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You did reply to me after the review video saying some faster servo’s mite get it hopping, awesome job 😎

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheers dude 😎

  • @TheRChobstar
    @TheRChobstar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Still Dre featuring Still Phil" 😅 very Nice

  • @RCBirds
    @RCBirds 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome👏💪👍

  • @gregdavis9532
    @gregdavis9532 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video!👏👏👏👏👏Question, why do you need to adjust the endpoints? Do you have to?

  • @corbski
    @corbski 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    52nd and that's a pretty interesting RC car!

  • @The-Warm-voice1359
    @The-Warm-voice1359 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    its Awesome car like DR DRY car great video MR Tomely good job👍

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks dude

  • @sideburn
    @sideburn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Put a SuperScale 2020 on it! Those are perfect for this!

  • @polishguywithhardtospellna8227
    @polishguywithhardtospellna8227 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Question is: with all that clearance.... how good is it OFF-ROAD?!?

    • @vbspeed7571
      @vbspeed7571 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hello from V&b speed a new rc community channel stop in say hi thank u ✌️

    • @armfish9507
      @armfish9507 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s shitty

    • @carart4fun174
      @carart4fun174 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not meant for off road

    • @supramike67
      @supramike67 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Lmao... someone remembered a roadkill episode hahahaha

  • @zackoftrades8547
    @zackoftrades8547 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the seals

  • @DustyFingersRC
    @DustyFingersRC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😆 fun times 👍🏼

  • @allenmichaud1605
    @allenmichaud1605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hows the day buddy!! From New England here. Thanks for the knowledge. You seem like a good guy. I like the tamiya stuff even though I don't have any. Keep up the good work. Hoping to get the mt10. You have me sold on that ripper. Looks like a driver's basher.

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Allen… the MT10 is awesome 👌

  • @adampsrcs3487
    @adampsrcs3487 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So much more realistic at that speed.👍nice work.make it into a drifter aswell that would be crazy drifting and jumping at same time lol

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, slow mo is the only real way to make it look like a real one. Maybe I need a brushless set up 👌

    • @adampsrcs3487
      @adampsrcs3487 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TomleyRC do it,do it,do it.lol👍👍

  • @medical_smile5350
    @medical_smile5350 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just got my green one in yesterday right before you posted this video an all I could think was “Come on HOP one time”

  • @Saber_Matrix
    @Saber_Matrix 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dope💯

  • @derricksazrc3411
    @derricksazrc3411 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dropping it like it’s hot.

  • @plops5271
    @plops5271 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    when it hops it reminds me of my dog when I get home =)

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha yes 😅

  • @Hoosierdaddyjones812
    @Hoosierdaddyjones812 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Reminds me of the corded hoppers long time ago, we used to put 9v to em and they would hop 2 times as high as these do lol

  • @fredsmith-dengler9225
    @fredsmith-dengler9225 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Too funny! 👍

  • @ZozzMiata
    @ZozzMiata 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those seals 🤣🤣
    Can you bunnyhop up to a book or something while drive?

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s a challenge I will be doing 👌

  • @bernardrc1137
    @bernardrc1137 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I still want a green one, lol👌😅😷👍

  • @apineda716
    @apineda716 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks so funny in full speed 😹😭😭😭

  • @xpndblhero5170
    @xpndblhero5170 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Now take it to a lowrider contest..... LoL 😂

  • @slob928
    @slob928 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    while installing the servos how did you make the servo arms centered? i just installed my 209 powerhobby servos and i don’t know what i did wrong but the front suspension is messed up. whenever i go up on the hydraulic the height difference changed. comparing it to my brother lowrider since we have the same model, apparently mine is lower than his stock one. what did i do wrong? is it because i placed the servo arm wrong or is it because i need to tune the endpoints? i am very new on these rc stuff.

  • @shawng9541
    @shawng9541 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reminds me of that mini game in GTA: San Andreas haha

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha, yeah 👌

  • @gboulter
    @gboulter 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I bet the stock BEC is dipping voltage driving those servos get something like a castle BEC in there.

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, external one and it’ll probably jump better. That’s the next job… plus some better suspension

    • @user-vi4zp6ly6j
      @user-vi4zp6ly6j 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TomleyRC You are having a blast I am sure, don't mean to pry, the right front servo is out of sync related to the front. Also you can increase spring rate on said shocks stiffen them up a hair and she will be hoping like a gem. Yes BEC is needed along with a possible capacitor setup as well that way the esc will and should never fail. Cross your fingers, blessing keep having fun and watching some of the American redcat lowriding groups they are pushing out some amazing builds.

  • @roblowrie1969
    @roblowrie1969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That car is just awesome. So cool, I completely get why you love it. The bouncing seals were a bit trippy!! 🤪👍🏻

  • @blue_chicken_nugget4885
    @blue_chicken_nugget4885 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    next video, make it brushless?

  • @oscarstorey-wan7418
    @oscarstorey-wan7418 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice

  • @icehockeyfanuk15gazza27
    @icehockeyfanuk15gazza27 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve actually got one of these myself. Haven’t had it up and running yet I have to admit.

  • @jons6125
    @jons6125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the weight might actually be helping the rear get altitude maybe try more mass at the front for a test?

  • @juamidelacruz6781
    @juamidelacruz6781 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    tomalley I recommend to make the rear up first then hop the front to make it higher, I don't know if the servos would allow it

  • @michaelhorio4046
    @michaelhorio4046 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice car.

  • @BlackSeaRC
    @BlackSeaRC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The only downside with the hopping is that the body is flexing just a little bit on the sides. Perhaps there is a way to brace it so it is more rigid?

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, a bit of Velcro down the sides may help

  • @petrusava241
    @petrusava241 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro I am dying 😂😂😂😂😂😂 the bouncing animals 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @chrisfisher7288
    @chrisfisher7288 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super cool.....

  • @andiewithanie
    @andiewithanie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    got my seal of approval (arf arf)

    • @andiewithanie
      @andiewithanie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      also: smaller/lighter motor?

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha

  • @jayhow997
    @jayhow997 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some preload spacers on those springs may help give a bit more bounce.

    • @TomleyRC
      @TomleyRC  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I think they would