2012-13 was peak “who’s the best pg in the nba” debate. Rose and Westbrook fans had their hearts set, rondo and Parker fans made the play style/ring argument, nash still hadn’t hurt his back, add in curry’s first breakout season, and consistent play from deron and cp3 and it was a crazy time to talk about pg’s
@@prollyhigh9335 Sengun is my #2 tbh but i aint mad at him being #1 ..he can really be the best out of that draft and it wouldn't be a surprise to me ..I think offense and defense considered though ...Scottie can be a 25+ point a game guy plus a defensive player of the year candidate
For that time "mysterious euro prospect" was still the norm even with his maryland experience I even remember in 2k14 they always talked about how he was a gymnast in his home country but nothing about his college reputation.
Actually the Wolves approached the Cavs about the love trade before Bron made his decision to come back. Once he was back they then called the Wolves back and asked if the offer was still available and the rest is history.
Y'all gotta remember that Cleveland probably chose Kyrie over everyone else because they wanted to entice Lebron back to Cleveland. If they did have that mindset and still were choosing to do that, Klay Thompson would have been a perfect pick to eventually match up with Lebron.
Me personally i'm taking scottie barnes 1st overall in a 2022 redraft big 6'8-6'9 wing who can do it all I know the percentages say 34 percent but those first 40 games you don't shoot 39 percent from 3 as a fluke he's just been slumping he's the best two way player in this draft he's only 22 tons of room to improve i'm taking him first anyday
Dont mock Big Al Until CJ Mccollum and Jamal Murray he was the best player ever not named an all star Mutliple 20 and 10 seasons incredible post skills 7th in mvp voting in 2014 and so on
Jimmy Buckets over Leonard all day. Kawhi won in San Antonio, basically being the 4th option in a dynasty, and even tho he was the main guy in Toronto, he had a complete team and barely beat the crippled Warriors in 6. We all know damn well that if the Warriors were fully healthy, that they would have won, I would even say they would have won in 5. At least Jimmy has been reliable and is also good on both sides of the ball, especially in the playoffs. Even tho he hasn't won a chip yet, I believe that it's more impressive of him taking Miami to the finals twice being their #1 option especially when I think that Toronto arguably had a slightly better and more complete team than both Miami teams.
Considering how Steph turned out, yeah you pick him 1st no matter what, but when he first got to the league bro had ankle issues so Blake Griffen is honestly the best pick
No way y’all look at that draft calls and pick Jamal murry at #1 at some point we gotta start giving him a jokic tax cause heel okay mid all season but one chip and he’s like that now?
Taking Harden over Steph is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Harden didn't have the better peak and didn't have the better career. Also What are you smoking taking lively over Wemby?
Also, in my opinion, Jimmy still goes over Kyrie bc even tho Kyrie does have a ring and was a valuable part, being a 2nd option to LeBron. If LeBron wasn't in Cleveland and didn't force the organization to make all does moves to have the team the way LeBron wanted it. I don't think Kyrie would have a ring at all.
Nahhhh dont do that draft like that, i grew up watching all these players. Alot of them were some dogs and would be perinial all stars in this era. Different time. Even 38 year old Jamal Crawford was able to have 52 and average 25 & 10 in the game he started at the end of the season with Phoenix thanks to the spacing.
curry wouldnt have won as much w/those doc river clippers but i think hedve popped off earlier. prolly wouldnt have met dray & klay too. still take em ova harden & blake
What're you talking about, steph had broken ankles his first 4 years... he wouldn't of popped off earlier lmao. He was borderline bust until that GSW team beat the nuggets.
No matter what the Celtics will end up with Tatum cuz they just ain’t trading the 2017 1st pick to Philly if they all had knowledge of the future lmfao
Yeah the reason, i kind of dislike redrafts, is that situations and values don't add up most of the time, in 2011 does Kawhi learn how to shoot, 2010 is Paul George able to take on the pressure of Gilbert Arenas and that immature, toxic team the wizards is and become the leader they need? I know its not that serious, and its a fun video but wanted to hear some real thought out answers to some of the years picks
SGA > Luka but it’s literally just because Lucka plays worse defense than prime James Harden and SGA is literally a top 3 2-way guard / guard in general with a smooth ass offensive game.
I think you guys are just looking at most points and keeping the discussion there. And you're adding players to the current 2024 roster, not the then draft picks. It feels like a weird discussion to put Booker over KAT because of the then draft hype and positional need. Who's 5 in Minnesota then? Ant or Book? Not that I think KAT is better than Booker, but if #1 was a big, draft somebody else. If #1 was a guard, try a different guard.
I like Kawhi but we need to stop boosting this guy. His peak was so short. Kyrie smokes next level stuff and is a bit out there but his career is flat out better than kawhi’s
@@ywilliams_2 I never said that did I? I said the hate was forced. Because every chance they get they do it. It’s weird and it’s annoying. And it’s clear they don’t know what they’re talking about when it comes to d roses mvp season
shouldnt you go from the perspective of the timberwolves since its there decision to redo. Like they wanted the wrong guy, jokic or embid shouldve been wanted for kevin love but thats the hindsight of this whole video
Skip Bayless: “I’d take D Wade in 2003”
"You know something, I'd take Kyle Korver over Lebron"
"Carmelo was always a better player"
I mean Wade got A chip before Bron and in the 06 finals Shaq was playing like Drew gooden
"Was darko even that bad?"
@@daxmoney5011Shaq was 2nd in MVP voting that year. Above DWade
2012-13 was peak “who’s the best pg in the nba” debate. Rose and Westbrook fans had their hearts set, rondo and Parker fans made the play style/ring argument, nash still hadn’t hurt his back, add in curry’s first breakout season, and consistent play from deron and cp3 and it was a crazy time to talk about pg’s
"Maybe Michael Jordan came back for Kwame brown" -sage
That's a crazy statement
Nah saying Zach Lavine gonna pass Embiid in points this season and Zach hasn’t played since October is hilarious 😂 15:46
they haven’t watching Bulls games lmao, but to be fair nobody has 💀
Shaggy and Snooby doo, thank you for another quick upload. I want 2 more by 10 o’clock tomorrow though!
What da hell?… 😂
Solz as “Shaggy” is nasty work
Kawhi to Lebron would literally be Scottie to Jordan 😂
That'd be a Jordan Pip duo on crack
Scottie going over Cade ..and tbh what he did this year could have been done year 2 it's just he was the 3rd/4th option many nights
ngl ill take sengun ova both
@@prollyhigh9335 Sengun is my #2 tbh but i aint mad at him being #1 ..he can really be the best out of that draft and it wouldn't be a surprise to me ..I think offense and defense considered though ...Scottie can be a 25+ point a game guy plus a defensive player of the year candidate
@@teeinfinity touche
I'd still take Cade. He's on an a*s team but he could easily become a top 15 player with the way he's going right now if the pistons get better
Jimmmmyy butler? Lol bsolz funny asl
You see those Win Shares though?? Top in the draft class😂
let’s be honest Jimmy the only reason the Heat have even been relevant since Lebron left lmao
@@shounakc509 idk man, seems like the power of friendship is pretty significant down there
HIMMMMYYYYY
Alex Len wasn’t a mysterious euro prospect, he played on Maryland for 2 years
For that time "mysterious euro prospect" was still the norm even with his maryland experience I even remember in 2k14 they always talked about how he was a gymnast in his home country but nothing about his college reputation.
Actually the Wolves approached the Cavs about the love trade before Bron made his decision to come back. Once he was back they then called the Wolves back and asked if the offer was still available and the rest is history.
Another day another peak Solz and sage vid
Solz n Sage picking up when we get close to the playoff...
Me waiting for another 2k what if and for sage to redownload 2k💀💀💀
Am I mistaken? Did I hear no mention of Danny Granger for his draft? Especially since Deron Williams got a shout out.
Wiggins 2nd in his draft in points within stricking distance of joker is crazy
Jokic is a fraud??? 😂
Not really, he was getting tons of shot on a bad team
@@bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I mean he got traded to the warriors at 24 been almost 5 years lol
Tbf. Ja and CJ backcourt might be the worst perimeter defense in NBA history
tbf CJ wasn't there at the time of that draft either
Now do a simulation of all those picks for a video 2000 - 2010 and 2010 - 2023
Banger vid Idea this is fun aff. Now do the 80s and 90s 😈😈😈
Man WE DONE WITH THE 90s!!!
Sage not hiding that manbun under the duey. I see u gang
I actually forgot Zach Lavine was on The Twolves
Nobody could’ve guessed RJ Barrett would be 1st in scoring entering season 6. Not to mention Zion being 9th
Y'all gotta remember that Cleveland probably chose Kyrie over everyone else because they wanted to entice Lebron back to Cleveland. If they did have that mindset and still were choosing to do that, Klay Thompson would have been a perfect pick to eventually match up with Lebron.
Rondo and Bosh is nastyy
2011 should still be Kyrie cause I believe the Cavs don’t come back 3-1 without him hitting that shot over Steph.
I don’t think the cavs are gonna down 3-1 in 2016 with Kawhi
2018 got Luka, Shai & Trae. Underrated draft class for sure.
I’m kinda pissed sold didn’t say “Luka with some bop in it”😂😂 iykyk
Me personally i'm taking scottie barnes 1st overall in a 2022 redraft big 6'8-6'9 wing who can do it all I know the percentages say 34 percent but those first 40 games you don't shoot 39 percent from 3 as a fluke he's just been slumping he's the best two way player in this draft he's only 22 tons of room to improve i'm taking him first anyday
what’s that beat at like 14:20 it’s louder at 15:20
2019 draft class is nun but buckets underrated for sure
Yall should do the last 32 picks and put them in 2k
dang, PJ Tucker is ancient 😂
7:07 W sage, we love Brodie but as a Bulls fan we have and never regret drafting D Rose over Westbrook, he is our Hometown Hero.
The Kawhi hate is crazy 🤣🤣
Is it safe to say if Russ was taken 1st he would’ve had a similar time in Chicago as Derrick Rose?
Dont mock Big Al
Until CJ Mccollum and Jamal Murray he was the best player ever not named an all star
Mutliple 20 and 10 seasons
incredible post skills
7th in mvp voting in 2014 and so on
I wish for 2023 they made an exception and redrafted #2 because consensus is LeBron but Darko was such a bust it warrants discussion
Capeing for Kyle Lowry is nasty
10:50 why sage hating on Butler?? That’s my pick🤣🤣
Jimmy Buckets over Leonard all day. Kawhi won in San Antonio, basically being the 4th option in a dynasty, and even tho he was the main guy in Toronto, he had a complete team and barely beat the crippled Warriors in 6. We all know damn well that if the Warriors were fully healthy, that they would have won, I would even say they would have won in 5. At least Jimmy has been reliable and is also good on both sides of the ball, especially in the playoffs. Even tho he hasn't won a chip yet, I believe that it's more impressive of him taking Miami to the finals twice being their #1 option especially when I think that Toronto arguably had a slightly better and more complete team than both Miami teams.
I think you can't skip Yao because we now know he was injured and ended early.
W vid 😭😭
Considering how Steph turned out, yeah you pick him 1st no matter what, but when he first got to the league bro had ankle issues so Blake Griffen is honestly the best pick
We are doing hindsight
still Harden and arguably Derozan are a better pick than Blake
Aye get in yalls bag
Milsap heavy underrated
Jimmy Butler shoulda went number one in 2011
Over kawhi? Kyrie? Fuck no lmao
@@XQueen_Lunaa definitely over kyrie
@@XQueen_Lunaa Over Street Clothes 1 and 2? Definitely 😴
@@ThisDude234Over Kyrie? Sure. Over Kawhi? No, despite the injury concerns.
@@urbaindelva7869 I'm taking availability and no drama over both of em 😴
No way y’all look at that draft calls and pick Jamal murry at #1 at some point we gotta start giving him a jokic tax cause heel okay mid all season but one chip and he’s like that now?
2000 - Hedo Turkoglu
2001 - Pau Gasol
2002 - Amar'e Stoudemire
2003 - LeBron James
2004 - Dwight Howard
2005 - Chris Paul
2006 - LaMarcus Aldridge
2007 - Kevin Durant
2008 - Russell Westbrook
2009 - James Harden
2010 - Paul George
2011 - Jimmy Butler
2012 - Anthony Davis
2013 - Giannis Antetokounmpo
2014 - Nikola Jokic
2015 - Karl-Anthony Towns
2016 - Domantas Sabonis
2017 - Jayson Tatum
2018 - Luka Doncic
2019 - Daniel Gafford
2020 - Tyrese Haliburton
2021 - Evan Mobley
2022 - Jalen Williams
2023 - Dereck Lively II
Taking Harden over Steph is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Harden didn't have the better peak and didn't have the better career. Also What are you smoking taking lively over Wemby?
@@kohsmoger1567 this list is literally just the current leaders in career win shares per draft class. Lol. Sorry I failed to mention that.
Edit mistake 2021 draft
2006 is the greatest center in rockets history PJ Tucker
Also, in my opinion, Jimmy still goes over Kyrie bc even tho Kyrie does have a ring and was a valuable part, being a 2nd option to LeBron. If LeBron wasn't in Cleveland and didn't force the organization to make all does moves to have the team the way LeBron wanted it. I don't think Kyrie would have a ring at all.
Solz picking zion over ja was 😭 shoulda stuck with it
Damn the disrespect to the goat klay
Bsolz u have to react to the jxmmyhighroller we done wit da 90s vid, it ends the debate🙏
2000 is Michael Redd and its not close
I was about to say, Michael Redd was a dog
If Derrick Rose doesn't get injured his career would dwarf Russell Westbrooks.
Nahhhh dont do that draft like that, i grew up watching all these players. Alot of them were some dogs and would be perinial all stars in this era.
Different time. Even 38 year old Jamal Crawford was able to have 52 and average 25 & 10 in the game he started at the end of the season with Phoenix thanks to the spacing.
curry wouldnt have won as much w/those doc river clippers but i think hedve popped off earlier. prolly wouldnt have met dray & klay too. still take em ova harden & blake
What're you talking about, steph had broken ankles his first 4 years... he wouldn't of popped off earlier lmao. He was borderline bust until that GSW team beat the nuggets.
@@Delsoonbye02 Your an idiot bro that didn't watch him
@@Delsoonbye02 He was fine his rookie season. It was was his third season where he had ankle problems.
Scottie Barnes not mentioned once 😢😢😢
Why would you?
@@ywilliams_2😭
BIG SCOTTIE!
Glorious king d rose lol 😆 🌹
No matter what the Celtics will end up with Tatum cuz they just ain’t trading the 2017 1st pick to Philly if they all had knowledge of the future lmfao
The Pheonix Suns would be Luka, KD, and Booker. Thats so stupid bro.
Gilbert Arenas over Tony Parker is nasty
Yeah the reason, i kind of dislike redrafts, is that situations and values don't add up most of the time, in 2011 does Kawhi learn how to shoot, 2010 is Paul George able to take on the pressure of Gilbert Arenas and that immature, toxic team the wizards is and become the leader they need? I know its not that serious, and its a fun video but wanted to hear some real thought out answers to some of the years picks
Big disrespect to Crawford
SGA > Luka but it’s literally just because Lucka plays worse defense than prime James Harden and SGA is literally a top 3 2-way guard / guard in general with a smooth ass offensive game.
You gotta smooth ass brain...Shai ain't even won a playoff series
15:30 If you think embiids averages matter just look at games played, he literally played 200+ less games..
As a warriors fan I'd give just about anything to change that 2016 ring 🤦♂️ I would have rather lost in 2015 and won in 2016
As a Minnesotan I'd take Jokic
I notice that Sage doesn’t know ball.
Lowkey the clippers should took demar instead of Blake
I'm taking Jamal in 2000, free
John 3:16-21
I think you guys are just looking at most points and keeping the discussion there. And you're adding players to the current 2024 roster, not the then draft picks. It feels like a weird discussion to put Booker over KAT because of the then draft hype and positional need. Who's 5 in Minnesota then? Ant or Book? Not that I think KAT is better than Booker, but if #1 was a big, draft somebody else. If #1 was a guard, try a different guard.
W
09 should be Harden
john wall better be number 1
bs
The sleep on Jason Richardson in 2001 is wild
why didn’t they draft jokic ?
Type shit
Ja > Zion
Fuck hindsight fr I’ve been saying that since the draft … I feel like anybody could of predicted Zion’s weight & health issues fr fr
Zion is still a beat don’t let the media fool u
Scottie barnes he’s just overall best player in his draft
must hve neva seen sengun
@@prollyhigh9335mustve never seen segun play defense
No way we have Street Klaws over Kyrie for that draft.
Picking Jamal Murray is crazy
Gimme scottie over Cade
SOLZ keep your mouth on the mic man, can barely here you sometimes.
Here comes this corny D Rose slander acting like he was ass or something lol.
I like Kawhi but we need to stop boosting this guy. His peak was so short. Kyrie smokes next level stuff and is a bit out there but his career is flat out better than kawhi’s
Dwayne Wade > Lebronz
Tyler hero for 2019 no cap
Nice comment bait
FIRSTTTTT?????
First
The D rose hate is so annoying and forced it’s crazy
Bro, give it up, he peaked and became injury-prone, Westbrook is clearly the most consistent player and has a higher ceiling than him
@@ywilliams_2 I never said that did I? I said the hate was forced. Because every chance they get they do it. It’s weird and it’s annoying. And it’s clear they don’t know what they’re talking about when it comes to d roses mvp season
@ywilliams_2 wouldnt say he had a higher ceilling but hes def the pick
Hot take, zion is a bust
shouldnt you go from the perspective of the timberwolves since its there decision to redo. Like they wanted the wrong guy, jokic or embid shouldve been wanted for kevin love but thats the hindsight of this whole video