Argerich plays Bartók - Piano Sonata, Sz. 80 Audio + Sheet music
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- Béla Bartók's barbarian Piano Sonata Sz. 80. Played live by Martha Argerich.
1st mvt: 0:05
2nd mvt: 4:22
3rd mvt: 8:33
Personally, I enjoy Kocsis' feral vigor in this piece more, but Argerich seem to have a special affinity to Bartók, too (both in this one and Piano Concerto No. 3, for instance). And as a matter of fact, Lang Lang's performance is very good, too (heresy, I know xD).
p.s.: As far as I know, this is a non-commercial recording and as such, it should be posted onto madlovba3, but somewhy EMI matched this one with a third party content. TH-cam is nuts o.O
that cough/sneeze combination at 5:44 was done very tastefully, it fits the music
They are paid actors maybe
Wow!!!!!! what an improvement to this music! . thank you!!!!
That's the downside of performing for a (stupid) audience.
the piano is a percussion instrument. Bartok agrees
😂
It is actually, a percussion, keyboard and string instrument.
This is why Bartok's music can only bring funny, while Scriabin's music is spiritual and elegant.
@@Cosimo-composer They're both awesome
@@Cosimo-composer Funny? Do you know what of a sound material that he uses here?
Following the score it is truly fascinating to see how wonderfully Martha is taking her liberty in phrasing, tempo and "rubati"...so true to her self yet in perfect harmony with the piece. A real master piece and performance!
Very cool music. Thanks for uploading it with sheet!
Bloody hell, this is amazing
Yes, and at age 80, Martha is STILL performing magnificently. Fabulous!
@@tedl7538 literally! 😍👏
At around 7:26 and 7:30 the score calls for a couple of bass notes below the range of the standard concert piano. A couple of G#s and an F below the lowest A. I've never seen it written in a score before - apparently Bartók composed this piece for an Imperial Bösendorfer with an extended bass range.
Yes, ofcourse, Bartók had written this piece specially for Bosendorfer Imperial, pianists using other than Imperial, can play the lowest note possible (pitch A0)
@@sanjai_s Or use a combination of A0 and Bb0 to give the illusion of a lower pitch.
@@KaterinaStamateloshe literally wrote it to be played on a Bosendorfer Imperial…
@@KaterinaStamatelosI mean if you’re going to override Bartok then there’s not much point discussing it, but “So what?” - so what if a composer has written a piece with a certain piano in mind? given that was the only maker producing extended compass pianos and he chose it, then it would suggest that the sound is appropriate for his music…! And if you have studied to any level, being interested in the composer’s intentions should be of interest to you? It is to me. If you disagree with Bartok fair enough, though that sounds more like an ego trip now that I’ve called you out. To be fair to you I’d definitely suggest trying some more Bosendorfers which have been set up differently (perhaps you played a tired one)? as they are generally not that mellow - I’ve played several and some I would go as far as saying sounded on the overly bright side (Bluthners are known for being more mellow for example) - Bosendorfers are actually known for their clarity and transparency and difference in registers, coming from the Viennese tradition - and Bartok would have known them well. Perhaps Bartok did not intend the music to sound quite as percussive as some people play it now and instead leaning more towards the folk-music and lyrical elements which are also there is important. Schiff’s version is interesting to listen to for that reason. I’m going to go with Bartok on this one and think you’re talking from a lack of experience, sorry!
This is like saying that one language is better suited for poetry than some other language. It's just not possible to say something like that. Scriabin and Bartok write in very different languages. Essentially, what you are saying is that you think Bach is the best because you get the most pleasure from his pieces. Which is fine. But then there is no need to claim someone to be the best, it's enough to say "I prefer his expression of that of others."
THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL A MASTERPIECE
Michael Shearman for your information ,Bartok was not aligned with any organized religion that I know of. from what I've read,he does not strike me as a christian.
Not only that, but upon reading the collection of Bartok's Letters in study for my Masters thesis last year, he was quite critical of certain religion-inspired behaviors. If I still had the book (compiled by Demeny I believe) I'd find an exact page and quote.
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C'est un peu comme une peinture, avec des traits et des couleurs. Ca influence l'esprit, pour retirer le négatif, le toxique dans la vie.
I like Perahia's performance. It's also accompanied by his Out of Doors performance, which I think is the best one available.
madlovba03, you have an insanely good taste in music!
Hungary rules! Scary but astonishgly beautiful...
ebavfencer
I don't understand. Sorry
give it some welly,martha!thanks to mr bartok
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I AM REMINDED BOTH OF STRAVINSKI AND GERSHWIN.
THE BEST OF TWO DISTANT WORLDS.
ONE OF BARTOK´S BEST WHEN THE WORLD IS FORGETTING BARTOK NOW.
Gershwin was born of Russian and Lithuanian Jewish descent
+Ron Walker The first is movement is a bit reminiscent of Gershwin, oddly, but this is likely mostly fortuity.
I've just recently become aware of the existence of this sonata so I haven't examined it. I HAVE examined an earlier famous Bartok solo piano piece: "Allegro Barbara", and it's pretty obviously bi-modal (and bi-tonal in spots as well). Its bi-modality works similarly to how the bi-modality of the blues works, although it was presumably arrived at independently of the blues (written in 1911 in Hungary, as it was). Gershwin's classical music relies heavily on the blues but in this regard was certainly NOT arrived at independently of the blues.
+Herbert Wells Sorry, that's "Allegro Barbaro". "Allegro Barbara" is what happens when Shaw's actors speak too quickly.
+Ron Walker Bartok was never forgotten...most of his works are either in the repertoire or near its fringes.
BARTOK LACKS HUMOR, CAPRICE, AND FANTASY. IT´S ALL SERIOUS SADNESS.
THE BEST TRADGEDY HAS MOMENTS OF COMEDY.
This music should be played without any reverb or echo or whatever. There's like reverb or something at the bottom. BAD. You can't apply reverb to this sonata.
I don't know, i find that (after being completely absorbed by Zoltan Kocsis version) there is like an unnecesary echo or reverb in this version. There is like an echo, isn't it? or is it only me? lol
Yes, even the piano needs the reverb in some cases. It improves the pieces a lot, (for me actually it can be a danger to get used to the reverb, but hey). But the thing about this sonata is that it's strongly (violently) percussive, and the reverb somehow spoils that percussion i think. And also what you say, the dissonances are a bit spoiled aswell. Or perhaps in my case is that i'm too absorved by another performance (kocsis), this happens too sometimes. Anyway it's always good to pay attention to other performances to analyse the pieces from different perspectives.
From the concert he gave at La Roque d'Anthéron, right? Yes, it's incredible. It's the official interpretation for me, he understands everything Bartók wrote on the score. It's a privilege have that performance here in TH-cam.
Re: "This music should be played without any reverb or echo or whatever." "PLAYED without reverb or echo"? How do you play a piano with reverb? Is there a fourth pedal I've never noticed? Presumably you mean "RECORDED without artificial reverb or echo", but artificial reverb or echo are meant only to simulate natural reverb or echo found in a spacious hall. Sometimes recordings are made with natural reverb from the place it's recorded, and other times a recording studio is purposely constructed to be artificially dry so that reverb will be entirely under the control of the recording engineer. This is a technical matter for the recording engineer and record producer and does not normally concern either the composer or the performer.
Herbert Wells Oh, excuse me, sir. I meant, this sonata must be recorded (or presented to the listener, if you preffer) without reverb. I mean, if you are searching for one of those typical arguments here in youtube, having in mind that i'm so stupid as to believe that this sonata shouldn't be played (not recorded) without reverb, as if there were another pedal in the piano for it, this is not your place for it.
But yes, in the studio recording there are the performer and the sound engineer, and if this recording has reverb or echo or another sound effect is because the performer allows it. Therefore it's the performers fault, in this case Martha Argerich (born June 5, 1941). Argerich was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina.[4] Her paternal ancestors were Catalonians based in Buenos Aires since the 18th century. Her maternal grandparents... blablabla, it's in wikipedia if you want more accuracy. But yes, she is an incredibly talented pianist, but she demonstrated that she does not understand this piece of music, among other reasons, because of the sound effect thing. After all it's a very complicate piece of music, and if you are used to play constantly romantic music and applying reverb to your piano, it will be a real challenge for you to be succesful with this sonata. So it's understandable.
But we have Zoltan Kocsis living in the same time as we, so it's a privilege to listen to this sonata in it's fullest. Thanks to him and the internet of course, and those who invented the internet too, and the mothers of those who invented it who suffered the terrible pain in the birth in order to give us the internet, and also thank their fathers who were brave enough to talk to those future mothers also, and blablabla... Bartok's music has a lot to owe to the internet, and zoltan kocsis too. And yes of course, all the music in reality, thanks to the piracy and the mothers and so on...
The point in comparing them would be their composing skills... For example, in my opinion, Bach was the best composer of all time since his skills in composing as well as the outcome of his work is the best I can find on earth.
Argerich is exciting truly.
the third mvmt reminds me some hisaishi compositions from the myazki's films
No worries. I was just mocking the pretentiousness of Mr. Ray Dycio.
This sounds like it was not played on the intended instrument because the bass notes are played an octave higher in mvt 2 than written
but you lack many competences necessary to state such things. It is possible to compare every musician with any other. You simply don't have the capabilities to do it. It's not so subjective...
This video should be banned in the US because of the score 8)
I don't think you even know US copyright law you idiot
I can see that you are a little kid that does not understand sarcasm
Great works of cinema contain explosions to display the acumen of the director and naked women to highlight the body of the actresses. "2001: A Space Odyssey" contains neither.
That's actually what makes it great.
@@AllNewYearI know. My reply was making fun of some idiotic reply by @berkelandmccarrell.
This is the first time i've heard her make so many mistakes lol
+slateflash what? where? is it a joke?
+Lewis Bae 1:52 she plays Gb instead of Ab, 2:45 3rd beat she plays Gb instead of G natural, 3:14 F natural instad of F#, 3:25 D instead of E, 3:59 that entire bar, 10:24, 11:17I still love her interpretation of the last movement though.
+slateflash Ah I hear them now
+slateflash I wouldn't notice the mistake without the score
And the rubato she does here is not good 11:02, sounds out of place.
Whah cain't them compozurs wraht the purty music innymore?
This ain'ta purty -- it sands lahka motor with a stripped gere!
Ah lahks the Shopin LOTS betur!
[rolleyes]
It's like a badly decorated room. You can use great colors, design and architecture, but if it all clashes, then no it is not a great work of art. This clashes and badly. People who get all bent out of shape over mere opinion would be exactly the reason I left classical music a long time ago.
Hey, it's not ignorant to say that Scriabin is better than Bartok. You can compare them, since they are both composers of "Western Classical Music", although they belong in slightly different eras. Ignorant is to compare Led Zeppelin with Bartok, since they are two completely different cultures...
i think its still wring to compare them, because they have such different styles
@@sneddypie By that logic you can barely compare one composer to another. Honestly, now that I think about it you could easily compare Led Zeppelin with Bartok, as long as you establish a set of criteria by which the comparison takes place. After all, nothing is intrinsically "good" or "bad".
(I don't even know why I wrote this, though. Probably a response to a no longer existing comment? It's been a long time!)
@@karlpoppins "By that logic you can barely compare one composer to another."
That's true.
@@segmentsAndCurves If you can't compare anything then the framework of the discussion is pointless.
@@karlpoppins But you don't specify the framework you compared.
Scriabin is much better than Bartok.
its unruly to compare the two, they're both so different
Moonlight sonata for the insomniacs.
For the pianist who wants bloodstains on their keyboard after a concert:
I come here after some people post on FB "bloodstains on keyboard" lol
Indeed, I came here after seeing the pic. (not a pianist, though)
@@andRakoto7300 same haha
@@dariusellertklaus3799 yep, same here 😂
gosh same haha
11:00
new vid?
@@raulperez2308 yee
피아노는 그냥 음높이의
타악기일뿐
그렇게 조합된 타악기들의
울림의 아름다움은
밤하늘의 별처럼 반짝입니다 파란별, 빨간별
보라색별, 서로가 자랑합니다
1:10 how the hell does she achieve that bass?! is she making it in octaves??
Yes, she is playing octaves rather than single notes.
@@Barpoint212 yes it's actually written in the score to play with the right hand the same not up an octave in that part
The last pic
Bartok :Girl, you just slayed
Argerich: I know I did
LMBOOO
hahahha sometimes martha has this look in her eyes after playing a piece that i translates pretty much as "i slayed it" :-)
@@angelinema4330
LMBTQ 😛
This comment was ahead of its time
For those who said that they find and hear Stravinskyan influences, I add that in an interview in 1924 Bartok said that Stravinsky was a genius and that he considered the Rite of the Spring the greatest piece written "in the past 30 years" (remember, he said it in 1924)
tl;dr: Bartok was a Stravinsky's fanboy.
I can't really hear it personally. Maybe inspired, but this is straight bartok
7:14
J'adore Bartok et Martha Argerich. Merci et Bravo Martita.
You can protest (file a dispute) with TH-cam about EMI's claim that it's their music not yours. I have filed about five now and won every one. Naxos and some others like EMI and "third parties" are just trolling new content to stop competition, at least that's what strikes me as a motivation.
Bartók Béla:Szonáta
1.Allegro moderato 00:05
2.Sostenuto e pesante 04:22
3.Allegro molto 08:33
Martha Argerich-zongora
Köszönöm az értékelést
Köszönöm az értékelést
Absolute logic structures and the "barbaro"-emotions form a complex and fascinating unity! Bartok's compositions are like Bach concerning structure and motif-building, but they sound always like the enfant terrible that wants to shock the audience with "barbaric" and harsh dissonances and rhythms.
I'm always amazed at what these guys could hear in their mind and then sit down and write
I first heard this piece sixty years ago and I still love it. Thank you Bela. Thank you Martha.
Agitato assai 11:03
unbelievable rhythms!
Marina Zhuravleva
Very good!
marry me.
@@yagiz885 simp
@@yagiz885 simp
I hear so much Rite of Spring in this, and I don't care. It's fantastic regardless.
+xyloplax Do you think you can tell exactly which parts reminds you to Rite of Spring?
+thetimpanikid Where exactly? Im so interested. i love both compositions, tell me please. it just pisses me off that i cant see them, even if i love both compositions lol
+thetimpanikid The rhythm the first low D reminds me to rite of spring yes. But the rest... this is pure Bartok.
@@Soytu19 not much relationship.to the Rite of Spring. Closer(at times), to 'Les Noces' eg. 2nd subject of 1st Mvt.
A bit further on ( 1:29).a hint of the Symphony in three movements. Unmistakably Bartok.
I also prefer the Kocsis version. While this recording is more virtuosic I think Kocsis' version is more sensitive emotionally. Not that this is not also impressive. Thanks for posting!
Because of his obnoxious campaign ad I will absolutely not vote for Bloomberg.
Well, that's one less customer.
5:44 The timing.... is perfect, almost goes with the music!
I really liked the loud parts....
What did you say? I can't hear you over the playing.
This is a different recording from Tokyo 1976 in AddGravs channel. Do you know where and when was it recorded? I feel so frustrated now, after I have uploaded Martha's recording with Sinopoli of Beethoven's 1st piano concerto and discovered it was blocked in all civilized countries in the world. All recordings by DG I try to upload are blocked, and now, those that weren't by EMI are starting to get blocked in many countries, also those by Decca. But this has succeeded to cheer me up. Thank you!
Listened to this again, and wow it is stellar. Very fluid- no matter how sonorous and loud, never sounds excessively brassy and ugly.
Martha & Bartók!!!! thanks!
The raw bear like energy I hear in this piece is unlike any other
Mind blown. So this is music. I've been missing so much in my life. Thank you for uploading this!
Il faut écouter plusieurs fois. Ce n'est pas facile. C'est une musique répétitive. Peut-être qu'elle efface ce qui est dur et difficile dans la vie ?
I was so fortunate to study this piece with Joseph Kalichstein, who felt very strongly that it is a response to WW1, the musical equivalent of Picasso's Guernica. Whether widely understood or not it's a masterpiece.
I thought intelligent discussions don't exist on TH-cam until I saw these posts. Well, with sporadic imperfections which is tolerable.
Don't hold your breath.
Mark Chen: No, you were right the first time.
I like the bit where it goes THWACK!-dur-THWACk-dur-!-THWACK!-OOF!-
Best comment in TH-cam history. This made my day.
lmao
Wonderful ! Bartok could get something delicate from the great nature.
It sounds like Stravinsky. Las bodas (1914/23)
8:34
9:42-11:39
You can hear the Asian influence
That's interesting. I would never compare Bartok do a badly decorated room. Rather, to me, he is like a baroque building that is collapsing with enormous force, destroying everything around itself. And it's precisely why I like him so much. :)
Even tho, I understand shit in this music 😂 But still, I like his works a lot than I expected
Scriabin was only late romantic until around the turn of the century, then he began to develop his own harmonic language. They are comparable to a degree, maybe only his middle works. Although, I don't see how you could compare Scriabin's late works to any other works in the repertoire.
there are many less famous russian (and french) composers who composed like late scriabin.
Scriabin is a mediocrity. If you can't hear that, please enroll in the Helen Keller School of Wayward Listening.
@@johnryskamp2943 I wouldn’t agree. Though he was certainly a nutcase, his works shine beyond his personal self
She serves this piece well. Her demoniac instinct, animal spirits are all welcome in bartok
of yeah, I hear the motiffs of Stravinsky's The Rite Of Spring
I really liked the 1st mvt.
Voicing an opinion isn't demonstrating that he/she is a moron. Please edit your rudeness before your post.
*I apologize for MY rudeness.
Interesting notation in the upper part of II, 5:09. He left out the break?
Did you reply to the wrong person mate? I said nothing about Beiber! I just complemented the uploader. If not, it would make your over reaction comment really ironic!
Praising Lang Lang when is due is common sense, not heresy. Lang Lang is hated only by TH-cam amateurs who only know to look instead of listening too.
He can be controversial also, but in some repertory he is simply genius.
This is argerich
Ipek hanim Çok güzel çaliyorsunuz bende bu aksam bu parçayi ögrenim dedim siz karsima çikdiniz, basarilarinizin devamini diliyorum😊
bravo , bravo , bravo !!!!!
lol
I strongly disagree with the term "barbarian sonata."
Agree. I would say it is VERY intense. However, BB did write an Allegro Barbaro which is vey popular
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Oh it is barbaric. Among the most extreme of Bartok's works. Let's not be squeamish about it.
He wrote an Allegro barbaro: th-cam.com/video/FpoTxL-uOco/w-d-xo.html
楽譜を大きくして欲しい。ピアニスとの顔よりセクシー。スコアいいね☝
5:50
咳が聞こえてて草
Is it my imagination or are there quotes from Rite Of Spring in this?
There are allusions in the main theme. Bartok was an admirer of Stravisky's earlier music, both "neo-primitive" and the "neo-classical" phases. Also the Bartok second piano concerto has a clear allusion to Petrushka.
11:00
And what do you play? Yeah, didn't think so.
INCREDIBLE PERFORMANCE!! Brava
This is an astounding recording!
Has Bartok ever written about this any place?
Love this pieces!
Me too!
The first is subjective, I personally hold this work in high regard, same as I do Scriabin's 7 & 8, and Prok 6 & 7 and believe it to be one of the great works of Bartok. The latter can be debateable. This sonata is far from easy, and contains some real technical challenges including far leaps, octaves, and then there are sections in the third movement that are tricky to pull off including 10:05,
10:49, and countless others all while maintaining the energy. Good recordings are hard to come by.
Why is it "heresy" to like Lang Lang's performance of this sonata?
Because he's hammy, showy and shallow, darling.
@@johnryskamp2943 You need to open your ears, stop regurgitating what everyone else says, think for yourself and get your head out of your ass, darling. I had an epiphany about LL. I, too, once thought what you just said (until my epiphany). Sure, he's no Horowitz, but "shallow"?
I liked it, but the second movement was too slow for me.
God inside a drop of true genius.
fantastic!
so I suppose that inversion and an arch structure is not inventive, and that this piece isn't virtuoustic, by your own admission??
I have to clarify something. These are my personal criteria for assessing music. According to my criteria, Liszt must be bullshit while Bach is top-rated. However, as I said, there are personal, subjective criteria, so the subjectivity does not lie on my direct superficial and sentimental opinion on music but on the criteria by which I objectively rate each piece. It is still subjective though...
Very funny and true... although I feel whichever of the two composers is analogue to "being shot in the face" gets a bit of a raw deal here.
Actually Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber (1644 - 1704) has composed some interesting stuff too!
Part II reminds somehow Ustvolskaya's 4th Sonata.
Am I the only one who came here because of homework? Or am I wrong?
Nah, I'm here because this is a banger lmao
(If only I could play the 3rd movement, and believe me, I've tried >.
Soooo goooood
so is EMI to blame for us having to deal wiht that vile and obnoxious ad,preceding the performance?
Sounds like Bartok was making fun of Prokofiev's sonata style...
Eugene Pashch
That's bullshit!
Oh, sorry, I just saw what that was actually in reply to.
Are you saying that the point of music is to show off, then?