The story of the Second Age is about hubris. The hubris of Numenor to think that they deserve unending life, the hubris of Celebrimbor to think that he should be the one to craft the rings of power, and in an ironic twist the hubris of Rings of Power and the minds behind it thinking that they can craft a better story.
Celebrimbor was apparently under the misapprehension that because he had nothing to do with the atrocities of his father, uncles, and grandfather that he was exempt from the everything-the-House-of-Fëanor-starts-for-good-will-be-hijacked-by-evil curse.
The changes Jackson made from the books didn't involve changing the heart and tone of the JRRT characters. Yes the Jackson movies 'differed' -- but differed in a way measured in inches while the ROP differences are literally whole different universes-- more than light years!
Disagree,, Jackson, a total soypuff bichboi turdling, let his wife Fran Walsh and her lessie friend phillip boyens turn Arwen into a ELF HERO SWORDSWOMAN. Jackson was a sorry azz bich, but he at least SORT OF held to the JRRT romantic imagery of Middle Earth. In short, Jackson sucks but he's 1000x better than the progleft tardlings shitiot drones from ama.zone. Is learn to swim the new learn to code? Sauron is a victim of circumstance (according to these morons) and may have gone on to be the absolute hero of Middle Earth .... IF >>> gladreeeehel had accepted his redemption. lol... "stupid Tolkien ... we fixed it for ya".. amazone soipufftards
The changes Jackson made were to adapt the books to cinema. You have days to read the book, but only hours to watch the movie. Characters must be developed more quickly, and the tone of the film must keep people engaged. There are long stretches of the book that would be nigh unwatchable if faithfully adapted to film. The choice to make Pip and Merry comic relief was pretty obvious. My one gripe is that they omitted the Scouring of The Shire. It was a fitting ending to the books.
@@justin1730 but they showed the scouring of the shire in fellowship. galadriel shows frodo it, what can happen if he fails. we see sam and everyone in chains and the whole shire burned down. so honestly im okay with that. it would have been cool to see it at the end but im okay with that change. if pj had a show huge openings he would have had. its still a masterpiece for me.
@@thelilyfarrell I understand the dream sequence, but as a veteran, I understand the Scouring even more. Coming home from war is a traumatic experience unto its self. Everything you loved seems to have been lessened, and the greediest people among us seem to have benefitted the most. I understand the Fantasy of returning home and setting everything right.
First of all I would like to thank you. Watching your reviews was way more fun than watching Rings of Power. I used the "Back to the books" quote when I dropped my one star rating at Amazon Germany, recommending everybody to read the books, instead watching the show. For sure I recommended to read the books containing information about first and second age and not the ones Amazon bought the rights for. With all the money of Amazon and the material provided by J.R.R. Tolikien they should have created an epic show, but they just came up with the poor, illogical and sometimes just stupid crap we watched the last couple of weeks. If there will be a second season I will watch only your reviews. For sure this will be more fun.
They lied to get you through the door, and they lie to you to get you back for Season 2. When they still don't have the Rights to the Silmarillion or the LOTR.
With apologies to Mark Twain, the rules of narrative fiction require: That a tale shall accomplish something and arrive somewhere. But the "Rings of Power" tale accomplishes nothing and arrives in air. They require that the episodes in a tale shall be necessary parts of the tale, and shall help to develop it. But as the "Rings of Power" tale is not a tale, and accomplishes nothing and arrives nowhere, the episodes have no rightful place in the work, since there was nothing for them to develop. They require that the personages in a tale, both dead and alive, shall exhibit a sufficient excuse for being there. But this detail has been overlooked in the "Rings of Power" tale. They require that when the author describes the character of a personage in the tale, the conduct and conversation of that personage shall justify said description. But this law gets little or no attention in the "Rings of Power" tale, as the hobbits' case will amply prove. They require that the personages of a tale shall confine themselves to possibilities and let miracles alone; or, if they venture a miracle, the author must so plausibly set it forth as to make it look possible and reasonable. But these rules are abandoned to Shelob in the "Rings of Power" tale. They require that the author shall make the reader/listener/viewer feel a deep interest in the personages of his tale and in their fate; and that he shall make the reader love the good people in the tale and hate the bad ones. But the viewer of the "Rings of Power" tale dislikes the good people in it, is indifferent to the others, and wishes they would all get drowned together. They require that the characters in a tale shall be so clearly defined that the reader/listener/viewer can tell beforehand what each will do in a given emergency. But in the "Rings of Power" tale, this rule is stabbed with a Morgul blade.
If only we could take Amazon's Rings of Power, journey to Tolkien's Middle-earth: Mordor, climb Mount Doom and cast that cursed series into the fire. 🌋
I decided to be "patently evil" and read all the books again from beginning. It is amazing that they didn't understand why Lord of the Rings trilogy WORKED and why Hobbit FAILED. They had two perfect examples of how to do it and how not to do it ... And they failed so hard.
At least with The Hobbit, there is the foundation for a good film. Have a look for the Tolkien Edit of The Hobbit. It's 4 hours long, but has cut out all the Turiel love triangle nonsense etc. It changes the whole tone, and turns it into what it should be... a quest.
@@Ma55ey Let's face it; they will never tell us why Sauron was on a raft somewhere close enough to Valinor that Galadriel could SWIM there and they're hoping everyone will just forget to ask.
@@kulman4295 Interesting break of the fourth wall. Makes sense in the plot, as the plot makes no sense. And their own rule was "Tolkien never said it DIDNT happen" so anything goes at this point
If you go outside of what is written and shown, and fix the story for the writers, you could say that Sauron's plan was to sail to Numenor in order to corrupt and control them, prior to enacting plan part 2 of crafting the rings. But then the wyrm smashed their ship and reduced it to a raft, leaving it at the mercy of the tides. Then Galadriel shows up, they get rescued by Numenorians, and he starts getting pushed to return to the southlands far earlier than he had planned to. But that is just me trying to fix their garbage to make some sort of sense.
Halbrand mentions adding nickel to steel when making a sword but a friend of mine who collects swords said that is the way to get a brittle sword that breaks easily.
Nickel is one of the earliest alloying elements used to make modern steel. There are MANY modern alloys that use nickel in varying amounts. 15N20 is a steel containing 2% Nickel that is used to make saw blades and pattern welded steel knives.
It's clear that Sauron never intended to come to Middle Earth again because he puts his sigil down on the table in Numenor, then picks it up again, when absolutely no one is watching. That means, he was seriously debating with himself at that moment, because there was no one else there to be acting for. What that also means, is that, like Casablanca, Sauron just happened to be floating around in the same part of the ocean that Galadriel was swimming in--"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine". Poor Sauron.
Shout out to Amazon for finally (albeit unwittingly) supporting small businesses instead of crushing them out of existence! This show made so much money, and gave so much exposure, for small to medium sized TH-cam channels like yours. It was kind of the corporate equivalent of the Darwin awards. Seriously, the PJ LoTR comparison to JRR Tolkien's novels sounds amazing.
@@joeterzio7175 Yep. Just Some Guy, The Little Platoon, Jayne Theory, Nina Infinity, Eric Kain, Beyond the Trailer (Grace Randolph), Jessie Gender After Dark...all clearly "disgruntled alt-right white guy" TH-camrs who either disliked (or disliked key parts of this show while hoping for a better 2nd season).
Gil galad : we need leave man ( in shaggy from Scooby-Doo voice ) Grandmabimbor : if only there was a way I could make a circle of some sort Gil galad : it is to late for that man . These evil little harfoot things are roaming around man
Thanks guys, that was educational, interesting and above all entertaining. Nicely summed up and well worth the time spent watching it. I'm not the most knowledgeable guy when it comes to Tolkien and it has been a while since I read any of his works, the last interaction I had with anything Middle Earth was the Jackson trilogy which I absolutely loved. When it was first released it was a no brainer that it had to be viewed on the big screen. My nephew and I made a point of viewing the trilogy at the cinema as our special Christmas treat for three years running. He, being somewhat younger than me, is more of a Harry Potter fan but the lad enjoyed the films just as much as I did and I was thankful to remember enough lore to answer all his questions. I actually treated myself to a trip to New Zealand in 2018 to go and visit some of the filming locations and even included the really cheesy touristy bit of it by visiting the Hobbiton set. Bit sad I know but it was fun and enjoyable, I even had a pint of beer in the Green Dragon pub! Well worth going halfway around the world for, location scenery in real life was awesome So, was obviously very disappointed by Amazon's efforts. I've enjoyed watching a few of the channels on YT which commented on and reviewed the series but yours stood out as being more of a Tolkien site which delved a little deeper rather than just a general film/game/tv/comic review channel. Enjoyed both the shorter uploads from Jonathan and the more in-depth discussion with the three of you. There's an understated sense of humour which comes through nicely on these longer shows and I chuckled quite a lot at this one in particular. Dan, you're on thin ice with all this 'fascist adjacent' stuff, you gotta be careful man! That was actually hilarious, kudos to Michael for coining the phrase. Apologies for being long winded but I needed to let you know that your work has been much appreciated by this 'part-time' Tolkien fan.
Balrog, a notoriously light sleeper, awoke from a dropped leaf... looks around, realized ROP was still on the Tele and decided to sleep another few millennium
The death of the halfwit..I mean harefoot was an attempt to recreate a ned stark or boromir moment of loss, a beloved characters untimely death..a wtf moment of incredulity. All this moment created was a sense of relief and joy that there is one less nobbit in middle earth.
If they are going for 5 seasons, they could have started right in the middle of Second Age ( SA 1500-1600) which is when Sauron forged the rings of power ( as per the title of the show), I think its better because its only about 1500 years to work with ( with some time compression) spread into 5 seasons, instead of compreesing the whole 3000 years like what Amazon did. In season 1 - Introducing Annatar ( Sauron in disguised) as the antagonist, the forging of the rings, that eventually led to the sack/fall of Eregion after he was able to corrupt/deceive the Elven smiths there including Celebrimbor. In Season 2, they can continue with the establishment of Rivendell/Imladris, and showing the rise of power of Sauron as he dominates middle earth with his corruption. Distributing the rings he already made earlier with celebrimbor ( the 7 rings to dwarves and 9 rings to men) maybe with some short introduction of Numenoreans, as they already began to set up settlements and colonies in Middle Earth around SA 1200
In season 3, Numenor came to aid the Elves and pushed Sauron and eventually defeated him and his forces. This can be broken up into two parts as in the books the first time Numenor came to Middle earth is to aid the Gil Galad and the elves of Lindon, they managed to drive out Sauron and his forces out of Eriador ( the region where Sauron sacked Eregion-the elven smith city) and pushed Sauron back to Mordor, (around SA 1700), then second part is where Numenor came again with a much greater host led by Ar Pharazon that caused Sauron's forces to flee and abandon him to be captured as prisoner to Island of Numenor ( around SA 3260) . In season 4, story shift to Numenor where Sauron slowly gaining the trust of King of Numenor and became King's advisor and poisoned his mind for immortality, to the point that Numenor went to Aman to rebel against Valar (SA 3319), there will be civil unrest among the kingsmen and the faithful, the end of Season 4, is the destruction of Numenor, where the island sink under the sea. In Season 5 following of the fall of Numenor, Sauron escaped and arrived back in Middle Earth. Few of Numenorean survivors ( i.e. the faithful like Elendil and his two son Anarion and Isildur) also arrvied in Middle Earth and establish Kingdom of Arnor and Gondor, and this lead to the forming of last alliance, where in the final episode, it ends with the war of the last alliance ( elves, men and dwarves) against Sauron's forces (SA 3429 -3341). I think they could've gone that route, but instead they were doing too much, the story of the harfoots is just unnecessary as there is no mention about hobbits in 2nd age, the same thing with the meteor man ( wizard/istari),as they show up right in the beginning of TA ( Third Age) not in second age. Not sure why the showrunners did the way they did, but imo, the Amazon RoP show is really a mess. I mean the title of the show is called RoP ( Rings of Power) and we only see like around 5 minutes of the forging of the rings right at the end of season 1, and that's it, not to mention only the 3 elven rings but not the other 16 rings ( 7 for dwarves and 9 for men) plus of course the one master ring.
@@catherinehiley3274 the harfoot story arc shouldn't even exist in second age , Tolkien didnt mention about them, its only in TA ( Third Age) that they mention about them, as for Galadriel, she moved around Middle Earth, alternating between living with Celeborn ( her husband) who prefer to stay in Middle Earth after War of Wrath. around SA ( Second Age) 750, they moved to Eregion and lived with Celebrimbor ( Galadriel's cousin). She among the other like Gil Galad and Elrond were able to sense who Annatar really is, she even warned Celebrimbor that Annatar ( Sauron's in disguise) not to be trusted. She was the one who advised separating the three elven rings. Nenya ( the Ring of Water) went to her , the other two, Narya ( ring of fire) to Cirdan of Greyhavens and Vilya ( ring of wind) to Gil Galad of Lindon. The rings of power should focus more on Celebrimbor as he is the main protagonist in the forging of the rings not Galadriel as shown in RoP
That Macbeth quote is perfect!! Thank you for speaking truth and for giving us something to laugh at throughout this abomination of a show. Can't wait to get back to chatting about the Silmarillion and what Tolkien actually wrote! 😃
The sun rising in the west when the Numenorians rode into mordor annoyed me, but so did the line 'where the stars are strange' and the witches are from Rhun which is East of Middle earth. The stars would be strange if Rhun was far south and you lived in the far north or visa versa. Stars like the sun travel across the sky from east to west so Rhun and most of middle earth would have the same stars
On Sauron getting some mithril to make the one ring, perhaps the dwarves will learn of the elven rings and be both upset that their mithril was used without their permission and jealous. Then Sauron can cut a deal with the dwarves, mithril from them and seven rings in exchange. By the way, we should try to guess what the extra alloy metal will be that allows the One Ring to have power over the others, since the power of the rings has been reduced to metallurgy.
What even was Saurons plan? Did he even have one? He got trapped on a raft with some random people, knowing that Galadriel was going to jump off the boat when she was being sent to the Undying Lands. He knew that they were going to be picked up by the Numenorians and welcomed on their island. He knew that Galadriel would believe his story because of his sigil, even though he said he just took it, and then convince the Numenorians to go to war to liberate the Southlands, despite him not wanting to go. He knew about Adar, that he was planning to create Mount Doom and succeed, despite him fighting against him and capturing him. He knew that he was going to get badly wounded and that Galadriel would take him to Eregion because of that and that he would be allowed to partake in the creation of the rings of power. And to plan ahead for that, he must have known of the fact that the elves were desperately looking for a cure for the fading, that they figured out that mithril would help and that they would get some from the dwarfs, but not enough to solve their problem. This... sounds a bit contrived to me.. that would include a ton of random chance or the insights of an all-knowing being, that not only knows of events all around the world, but also of events that haven't even happened yet.. Or was this whole journey of Sauron really just pure chance? Had he just given up on life when he was stranded on this raft, until Galadriel swam by and picked him up for this wild ride? Did Sauron just happen to randomly stumble over the chance to lay the foundations for him to rule the world, just because he came across Galadriel? Did Sauron end up in Celebrimbor's forge by pure luck, or was this where he wanted to go all along??? The only thing I could come up with is that Sauron planned to go to Numenor after clashing with Adar, maybe to forge his weapons with magical abilities there, but the ship he was on got wrecked. When he came across Galadriel by pure chance, he tried to stick to his plan to establish himself in Numenor, using his fake sigil to gain their trust, but Galadriel wouldn't let him, so he improvised from there on... I might be given the writers too much credit with this..
Everything you wrote, plus, WHY did he help them with the Mithril forging "problem" at all? They were going to leave M.E or die. He stopped BOTH those things from happening! I mean, either event would have benefited his future plans immensely wouldn't they? And even if he had somehow "made up" the plague story, and "somehow" convinced the Elves it was real, and "somehow" made the Mithril cure the leaf, etc, he STILL, by teaching them how to alloy Mithril, stopped the Elves from leaving M.E.?! Why? "I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE!!".
@@KingBarnaDuke Wow, this rabbit hole is getting deeper and deeper... I didn't even think about what options Sauron would have had if he stuck solely to the logic of the show... I was just thinking of where he eventually ended up in the show and why, plus how to get to the movies from there. Well, that goes out the window, anyway, because the movies can't happen after they screwed up the rings... There is no freaking way and no reason the remaining 16 rings get made after all of this..
@@dh510 I'm certain now, that the writers wrote themselves into a corner. They got carried away trying to tell their own story in someone else's creation. And screwed up both. What a cock up! 🙃
Thank you for watching this so I don't have to. I couldn't make it through the second episode. Historically, it is said that Mongols could ride up to 50 miles per day with 5 horses per man. They had to constantly switch horses to keep them from wearing out. They could allegedly go a full month this way drinking mare's milk mixed with horse blood. Is it possible that they are intentionally making Galadriel as unlikeable as possible, so they can give her a redemption arc later in the story? They did it with Ahsoka Tano in The Clone Wars series. Also, I find it annoying that the Harfoots look so dirty and matted, when some of our oldest archaeological finds include hair combs and razors. Combs can be found alongside the remains of sabre toothed tigers. We are supposed to believe they discovered complex loom technology to create their clothes, but don't know how to comb/delouse their hair?
It seems they're suggesting Sauron is going to be the pov character of season 2. That's probably a good move because most people are rooting for the orcs at this point.
@@AS-fu1kd I was hoping that she was going to be vaporised by the Ash cloud at the end of that episode to be reincarnated as Cate blanchett in the next one.. but alas...
Maybe they are traveling around middle earth so fast because they are using the fast travel feature from the minecraft lotr mod (but saying that might be an insult to the mod)
Celebrimbor the Elves greatest living craftsman…of HAIR! I do wish his line to Galadriel of “you’re as wet as a river rock” was moved to when she first got off her horse, continuity please show!
Those 'hair-dos' of the Elves bug me no-end - I suspect the 'Showrunners' brought in their favourite Hollywood stylist to create them. Camp is the word.
Shouldn't the elven healers not have noticed during the healing process that Halbro is not really human? They surely have met a Majar before? Seems not only Galadriel, Celebrimbor and Gil-Galad are stupid...oh boy.
When you talked about the horses I looked up Shadowfax in Tolkien Gateway, because he once got Gandalf from Rohan to Weathertop at top speed, and he ran 620 miles in six days. So Galadriel traveling 600 miles in six days is only possible if she has a super-horse like Shadowfax, and she needs a second horse like that to carry Halbrand. And because the show nowhere established that Galadriel had a horse of Shadowfax-level endurance and speed, let alone two such horses, we can safely say this is another very stupid blunder by the showrunners.
100 miles a day is within reach of some horses apparently - as long as they get their rest. It looks to me like Guy-Lad-Ree-L and Sauron would have had to go more like 1000 miles or more, which would require 167 miles or more per day. I can accept Numenorean horses having the speed and stamina of Shadowfax, but that kind of speed and endurance still strains belief. And if the show wants us to grant them proto-Mearas Numenorean horses, then why can't they also show the people and civilization of Numenor as it should be?
The best endurance racers can do 100 miles in under 6 hours, although the horses do have special breeding, training, and would get a few weeks of rest after a race. I think I remember the numenoreans having special horses, so I find it believable they could cover the distance. However, 600 miles over difficult terrain would take a lot of fitness for the riders, not something even a mildly injured person could do, let alone the critical injured person who was bedridden 5 minutes before the start of the ride...
- I think you can craft a good story even if you want to shit on Tolkien's lore and have your strong wahman Galadriel, with a few modifications you can make their story work. You just needed Sauron being Sauron from start: him lying about being king and pushing to go to Middle Earth, Galadriel might have found out that he is not a king right after the volcano (somehow) and start being suspicious about him (why did you heal so fast?), then you can have him go to Eregion and becoming best friend with Celebrimbor while Galadriel tries to warn everybody but they don't believe her because she did the same at the start of the series. IT'S NOT HARD. (I'm not saying this is any good but it makes more sense than what they did).
Honestly, if this version of Galadriel, with all her rage and powerlessness, having elf men cut her down and not letting her do her thang, had actually accepted Saubrand's offer, it would have made perfect sense. They created a Gal that fit perfectly with their version of Sauron, ruling M-e side-by-side. I think that she rejects him feels strange because the power he would give her can make up for his killing her brother unknowingly. Like, his gifted power is almost an apology to her for what he did to Finrod, something only a Maiar like him could even give. If she had taken it, it would have fit so perfectly with the character arc they created for her--a character going down a dark path and sealing the deal. At least I would have considered it the natural result of how they wrote her.
So true, and that would actually made for a much better story than what they ended up with. I mean, if you are going to crap on Tolkien, at least do it in a way that makes some sense.
In season two their will be a twist when Galadriel learns how to utilize her pointy ears to focus the power of the mithral in her ring to make her even more powerful. She soon learns that racist Numenorians are attempting to exterminate the harfoots. Meanwhile sauron who is still getting over Galadriel’s rejection finds love from an unexpected quarter.
Oh please go through Jackson's trilogy. The thing that I hated the most was the number of scenes he made up, and there are so many of them. Not just that, but so many characters were portrayed wrongly imo. Yes that puts me in a tiny minority I know 🤣
I was torn into on another channel for daring to say that the Lord of the rings trilogy hasn't aged too well.. don't get me wrong they are great movies... but people holding them up against rings of power as the last bastion of pure Tolkien is a bit absurd... we were millimetres away from arwen warrior princess let's not forget that...
Yet.. it’s still better content and great movies. ROP doesn’t make any sense, writing is lazy, dialogue is cringy and sounds like modern people trying to LARP.
I agree with you. You are not the only one who had issues. I did like the movie, but I did not like the portrayal of Aragorn. Jackson portrayed Aragorn as being indecisive because he lacked confidence. He did not lack confidence. He just did not know whether to go to Gondor or walk Frodo into Mordor. Jackson added Arwen in to save Frodo at Rivendell when Frodo himself held out against the Nazgûl. She supposedly made the flood when Gandalf and Elrond made it, Elrond who had the ring. Arwen was an unnecessary addition and her saving him actually undermined Frodo’s credibility as ring bearer. There were a few other scenes like that, with Frodo being less awesome in the movies than he was in the books for some unknown reason. It seemed to undermine the story. This did not stop me from liking the movies, but I did think the books revealed more depth of character and meaning than the movies did. I really did not like the Hobbit movies, and I absolutely hate the Rings of Power, though.
Must admit, its been an ABSOLUTE joy listening to the many critics out there! Superb! FAR better then the show itself!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Pure joy! Like I keep saying, I've seen better plots in porn movies from the 60s! They deserve the critic!
The showrunners have said that they want to tell Sauron's "origin story," which suggests that your theory is correct: they don't regard all the events of season 1 as due to Sauron's machinations but Galadriel's actions. Oof.
Re 22:50 Halbrand: Have you considered combining the Mithril with other precious metals? Celebrimbor: Not yet. I have been rather busy getting my hair permed and trying on some new dresses. Halbrand: O-kay...
I'll tell you EXACTLY what that faithful scene was about. The entire exchange is basically the showrunners admitting that they know they fucked up but are begging us, the fans and the rest of the audience to keep watching anyway. Let's re-read that exchange using more relevant terms. They knew this show was a disaster but committed to attacking fans and not respecting the lore anyway. They want us to be "faithful" that the show will get better though because from every metric we can reliably measure (because Amazon will not give us the real numbers and there's a lot of suspicious activity going on) there's no hiding from the fact this flopped. It was not as well liked or watched as Amazon hoped or needed. This is why not long after this episode aired, the showrunners did an interview where they said "Oh yeah, Season 2 is gonna be more accurate to the canon and lore. We're gonna give people in Season 2 what they wanted from Season 1". All they ask is that we keep paying for Prime and we keep watching their garbage. Because after all, shows only get good after 3 seasons right? And Amazon cannot afford to have this fail so the showrunners are also begging Bezos and the investors to have faith in them cause they'll totally turn this around. THAT'S what that scene was about. I dare anyone to change my mind.
I don't think that they believe this show was a flop.. its sat at number 2 in the nelson ratings chart.... that's not a flop by any metric.. amazon doesnt care about lore or if the show is any good... just how many new subscribers it brings in. The Lord of the rings is a financially lucrative IP, there is no reason why their show wouldn't be successful.. they've already convinced themselves that any negative reviews of this show is just racist toxic Internet trolls. They don't care about Tolkien or his story because look what they what they with it. Plus Tolkien was a racist, religious, old white guy... they've modernised his work now, and are probably quite proud of the series.. because if nothing else, they have introduced long overdue representation into middle earth. Now Tolkien isn't just for white people.. the show runners have already said that next season they want to focus on sauron... because they know that what Tolkien fans want, is to see how sauron is just a victim and how the elves are the real evil race in middle earth.... I can't wait for the pieces that say after another dreadful season that the fans will love season 3, because it's going to be more canonical to what Tolkien wrote....
Suggestting that Sauron had a plan, is pretty generous. Because as far as what we are actually shown, Sauron had no plan, had given up on his "power over flesh" idea, and was going to retire to somewhere that he could be a metal smith
The blindfold is understandable. My Dad was blind and would wear his dark glasses because sunlight was painful to his eyes and he would get awful headaches from it.
Imagine spending a billion dollars to give TH-cam a boost. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy to see you guys get the boost you so well deserve, and I'm glad someone else paid for the advertising.
Your initial pause at the Celebimbor/Halbro scene was right on the money: Halbro enters the forge asking "what is this place", and within 3 minutes he gives smithing advice to the best smith in the world and 2nd best ever....and yet the thousands-year-old genius that is Celebrimbor isnt suspicious of how can a guy go from not recognising a forge to giving HIM advice within 3 minutes.... I swear, people who legit think this show is good must have IQ below 50...as do the writers/showrunners.
Thousands of years she hunted him with vengeance and hatred in her heart. Stood across from her target she thrusts her knife with all of her might and.... he grabs her arm without even having to try and knocks her out. What a baddass
Here's what I'm guessing will happen: 1. Sauron will get Adar to work for him again, and send him to Numenor, causing its destruction, because Adar is probably the elf from the prophecy. 2. Miriel will leave with Elendil to establish Gondor & they'll be queen and king. 3. Galadriel will find Celeborn in a prison somewhere and rescue him with barely any assistance. 4. "Gandalf" and Nori will meet up with Galadriel, probably at Lothlorien. 5. The dwarven forge is located elsewhere, and the rings for men & dwarves will be forged there, where Sauron will later capture Celebrimbor.
Lol if they can remember any of their own storylines. They can't even have continuity episode to episode, can't imagine how they'll do it season to season
@@AS-fu1kd They have major story points, and then wing it from there to disastrous results. If any of my predictions come true, they will be done in a most irrational way.
Random thought. When elves die they go to the Halls of Mandos in Valinor. Galadriel is out for revenge because her brother was killed by Sauron. Galadriel was seconds away from entering Valinor, where the Halls of Mandos can be found. Why did she jump of the boat again?
Thank you guys so much for the in depth review of the whole season, it really put lights on almost everything the show has to offer. thanks for the efforts. it really a wonderful journey being with you and not like the journey of the show itself. hearts
Very grateful that so many of you seemed to enjoy our rambles. It takes some of the sting out of those 9-10 hours of my life that I will never get back, listening to RoP.
I figured it out. The rings are mini arc reactors that generate infinite power. Next season Celebrimbor builds mithril power armor to fight the balrog under khazad dum.
I've been thinking about the Jackson films and the only plot hole i can think of was when Frodo is Stabbed by Shelob's stinger. Shouldn't have been possible with His Mithril shirt.
Frodo still had Sting after being captured by Faramir. He drew it on Sam when the Nazgul flew over them. He should've been disarmed really. Not really a plot hole though, just a nitpick!
Excellent review here. Agree on all points. Except perhaps the 1 will corrupt 2 will divide 3 will bring balance quote. I thought that was a decent metaphor of why they made 3, which Tolkien didn’t explain. Sifting through the ashes here. Other things I did like: - Elrond-Durin story. Not perfect but pretty decent, and for me it carried the show. Also Durin’s argument with his father was believable. Of course everything else was so poor that this is a case where of the one eyed man being king in the land of the blind. - music. It was decent enough. Not memorable and epic like Jackson’s trilogy music. But passable. “This wandering day” was really good, great fitting vibe. - Numenorian harbor setting. That was great. Then they let the whole thing down by portraying the Numenorians as a village of peasants. These are supposed to be elven bloodlined “high humans”. Tall, dark, handsome, and elegant. Not bickering peasants. Sadly the few things I liked were completely overwhelmed by the most basic failures: failure to write a coherent believable story, failure to capture the essence of almost all the major characters (elrond, durin and elendil were good, everyone else they they missed it completely), and over all this incompetence they then cast a sour gravy of wokeness that is so on the nose it nearly broke my face.
Love watching you guys light this trash on fire. Now that this show established it wasn't going to be faithful to Tolkien in any regard it will be interesting to see what happens 10 years from now when they finish. I have a feeling it will look like Cyberpunk 77 with flying cars, androids and amputee parlors.
Thanks for the comment about elves taking jobs from Numenorian;, besides Guyladrial, multiracial hobbits, the story needed a reference to fears of immigration.
Real question: would the elves have established catacombs after the war with Morgoth? Since so many died. Where was that statue of Finrod? Don't know why you'd keep scrolls there.
The whole "Celebrimbor doesn't know how to make alloys" bit cracks me up, as the show has clearly shown Numenoreans in bronze armour and using steel... which are both alloys. I suspect the writers didn't know that. Also, how does a dagger survive a pyroclastic flow but melt instantly above a dinky little crucible? Silly me, I'm using logic.
The Elves had no magic to them. Tolkien presented them as almost angelic beings. These Elves seemed like homosexual Vulcans or something weird. Galadriels character is absurd to make a long story short. The rest is a big bore. The end.
Hi I just subscribed to your channel and I am really enjoying it. To answer a question regarding Anatar, Sauron disguised himself (he was known as "The Bringer of Gifts") to bring discord to the elfs in Middle-Earth. Celeborn and Galadriel did not allow him into Lothlorien because they distrusted him, and he ended up going east to Eregion where he ingratiates himself to Celebrimbor. They then make the 16 rings. Sauron did not have any part in the making of the three elven rings. *** just like in ROP ***
I'm not a Tolkien scholar... but I belive that the only influence that sauron had in creating the final 3 elven rings was that they were made using the knowledge that celebrimbor had learned from him...he wasn't in Eregion at the time they were made. They were still connected somehow to sauron and the one ring, but nothing like how the others were. He also spent years becoming friends with the elves and developing a deep trust with them... he didn't just show up out of the blue disguised as a man and suggest to celebrimbor randomly that mixing a few metals together might amplify the power of mithril..... but somone else might be able to tell you that I'm full of #$€@..
@@domingo954 I would have loved to see his portrayed in rings of power... the elves being manipulated by sauron.. some of them not trusting him and some welcoming him with open arms.. I could imagine that would cause quite a few issues in elven society.... but we can't have that now..
@@Ma55ey I would like to know now that Haldar (Anatar/Sauron) has been found out, how the other 16 rings were crafted.. Did they manage to stretch what little Mithril they had to make the rest of the rings? Also, Anatar was actually involved in making those and took them.
The group mentions Grandma-brimbor's outfit, then it dawned on me. Professor McGonagall had the same outfit, but with a hat!.... Isn't Celebrimbor supposed to be a badass Smith?
Very excited you guys are going to do a series comparing the Jackson LOTR and all its dumbed down characters and themes to the real thing. You’ve just won yourselves another subscriber. Also appreciate the Catholic commentary (as a Catholic) diving into JRR’s themes that Amazon would never go near. Also appreciate (as a member of an ecumenical community) that not all of you are Catholic! Keep up the great work 👍🏻
As a British man/Englishman I would like to apologise on behalf of all the great British scientists who created the laws and theories that ultimately helped those who created the technology to allow this series to be filmed. Absolutely no blame of course can be levelled at the great English/British author who created the works this series is unfortunately based on. Aa an Englishman/Brit I also need to blame the French.
C’mon guys, it was ALL Sauron’s machinations! He wanted access to Numenor and to the Elves, and things happened according to his plans. If the Ring can make things happen against probability, imagine what Sauron can do!
What we really need right now is a little one-hour special by Peter Jackson, the death of Aragorn and Arwen, the end of their story, and Sam's departure from Middle Earth. We REALLY NEED that now. Just a little bow, a farewell and good bye, now that the actors are of an age they can do it properly. I bet more people would watch and rewatch that than every season of every episode of ROP combined. Maybe, maybe it ends with Sam seeing Frodo and Gandalf and Bilbo .. OH MAN!
The other day I was watching Fellowship Ring ext edition, and it dawned on me why the Rings of Power writers chose to forge the 3 elven rings first: they simply followed the structure put forward by Peter Jackson in the movies! That's it. The saw the Fellowship opening, figured the 3 elven rings come first and just did it the same way in their show. This is the level of ignorance we are dealing with. I'm SURE when in season 2 they find some convoluted way for Sauron to go back in disguise to Eregion and trick Celebrimbor to forge the 7 and the 9, the showrunners will go "yeah we are just sticking to how Peter Jackson did it int he movies, so if you have an issue with this, go to him!". Unbelievable.
I still don't understand how it goes from showing us that the mithril heals by proximity (as we saw with the leaf) to, putting it in a round thing will heal all the elves to, the items we create using the mithril will contain great power.
Absolutely loved this - you guys have really great rapport, it’s great when you make each other laugh at something in the show the others didn’t catch the first time. Such an awful episode, but it makes for a great video from you guys!
Yes it's stupid but I think that forge is supposed to be the one the dwarves built. I say that because the chains on the smelting pot and other designs and decorations look Dwarven not Elvish
Yes, but Tolkien never wrote that the immortal elves DIDN'T build catacombs to store their dead. I'm sure the writers have big plans for a catacomb based set-piece in future seasons.
Yeah, he only wrote that the Elvish burial custom literally consisted of finding a nice spot, digging a hole, bunging the corpse in, burying it, and promptly forgetting about it. Because even when Elves die they don't die. Their spirit goes to the Halls of Mandos, where after a time depending on their goodness they just get handed a new body and start walking around alive again. Hell, one such Elf, Glorfindel, was killed in a mutual kill with a Balrog, got a new body, and then PROMPTLY returned to Arda for another go. Elves literally only see Elven corpse disposal as another form of trash cleanup. Because an Elf's grief over another Elf's death is but the small grief of a temporary seperation, not that of permanent loss. They know that sooner or later they will be themselves slain and go to the Halls, or else will return to Valinor alive. Either way they will reunite with those who fell. The brother Galadriel is avenging in this series? He was handed a brand new body literally as soon as he reached the Halls. He is literally waiting in Valinor for her to return. As is every single Elf who has ever been slain. Every last one. Either alive again, or waiting to be so in the Halls (Looking at you, Feanor, you don't get a body again until Dagor Dagorath because you were so naughty) By the way, this is why Elves see killing Orcs as not only a mercy, but a DUTY. Because as warped and twisted as they are, inside every Orc is the trapped soul of a tormented Elf. By killing the Orc, that Elf soul is released from its tortured flesh prison and goes to the Halls just like any other Elf soul, where they can eventually be reborn as the Elf they had been meant to be, freed of their pain and broken forms.
@@GuukanKitsune is it stated that the elves automatically get reincarnated?? I know that their spirits reside I'm the halls of mados.. and he has the ability to resurrect/reincarnate them if he deems them worthy.. I didn't think it was a guarantee.. happy to be wrong though..
@@Ma55ey They all EVENTUALLY will get reincarnated, yes. Even Feanor. Their purpose is to join in the Song of the Ainur for the Second Song. That is, the Elves were EXPRESSLY CREATED as minor Ainur in great number, to grow greater in number, so Illuvatar can lead them in song once again and this time have no Melkor to screw up the Song but still have something of his power to replace him. That way THIS time the Song gets sung to completion and Arda is actually remade and renewed and FINISHED. They can't play their part in the Song if they have no bodies with which to Sing.
@@GuukanKitsune you're right.... i never realised this... i'm going to have to re-read through the books again now.... with a completely different perspective....
The Nazgirls were certainly some lesser Maiar. Gandalf just showed us how they are seen in the Unseen World. It’s not just the Nazgul that are seen in the unseen world.
Grrrladriel! ...and L.Ron. It does harken back to that Scientology movie, where John Travolta plays the evil alien dude. Very similar levels of production quality, dialog, and story depth. And they both revolved around precious metals.
That workshop is not the new forge built by the dwarves. The new one would be necessary because Celebrimbor planned to massively build mithril things for ALL Elves. With the idea to make the Rings, the new forge was no longer necessary.
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The story of the Second Age is about hubris. The hubris of Numenor to think that they deserve unending life, the hubris of Celebrimbor to think that he should be the one to craft the rings of power, and in an ironic twist the hubris of Rings of Power and the minds behind it thinking that they can craft a better story.
Celebrimbor was apparently under the misapprehension that because he had nothing to do with the atrocities of his father, uncles, and grandfather that he was exempt from the everything-the-House-of-Fëanor-starts-for-good-will-be-hijacked-by-evil curse.
The changes Jackson made from the books didn't involve changing the heart and tone of the JRRT characters. Yes the Jackson movies 'differed' -- but differed in a way measured in inches while the ROP differences are literally whole different universes-- more than light years!
Disagree,, Jackson, a total soypuff bichboi turdling, let his wife Fran Walsh and her lessie friend phillip boyens turn Arwen into a ELF HERO SWORDSWOMAN. Jackson was a sorry azz bich, but he at least SORT OF held to the JRRT romantic imagery of Middle Earth. In short, Jackson sucks but he's 1000x better than the progleft tardlings shitiot drones from ama.zone. Is learn to swim the new learn to code? Sauron is a victim of circumstance (according to these morons) and may have gone on to be the absolute hero of Middle Earth .... IF >>> gladreeeehel had accepted his redemption. lol... "stupid Tolkien ... we fixed it for ya".. amazone soipufftards
The changes Jackson made were to adapt the books to cinema. You have days to read the book, but only hours to watch the movie. Characters must be developed more quickly, and the tone of the film must keep people engaged. There are long stretches of the book that would be nigh unwatchable if faithfully adapted to film. The choice to make Pip and Merry comic relief was pretty obvious. My one gripe is that they omitted the Scouring of The Shire. It was a fitting ending to the books.
@@justin1730 but they showed the scouring of the shire in fellowship. galadriel shows frodo it, what can happen if he fails. we see sam and everyone in chains and the whole shire burned down. so honestly im okay with that. it would have been cool to see it at the end but im okay with that change. if pj had a show huge openings he would have had. its still a masterpiece for me.
The changes didn't break fundamental lore unlike ROP which became practically unrecognizable as Tolkien
@@thelilyfarrell I understand the dream sequence, but as a veteran, I understand the Scouring even more. Coming home from war is a traumatic experience unto its self. Everything you loved seems to have been lessened, and the greediest people among us seem to have benefitted the most. I understand the Fantasy of returning home and setting everything right.
You misheard the two showruiners. They said "We'll turn our backs to the book, backs to the book, backs to the book"
First of all I would like to thank you. Watching your reviews was way more fun than watching Rings of Power.
I used the "Back to the books" quote when I dropped my one star rating at Amazon Germany, recommending everybody to read the books, instead watching the show. For sure I recommended to read the books containing information about first and second age and not the ones Amazon bought the rights for.
With all the money of Amazon and the material provided by J.R.R. Tolikien they should have created an epic show, but they just came up with the poor, illogical and sometimes just stupid crap we watched the last couple of weeks. If there will be a second season I will watch only your reviews. For sure this will be more fun.
They lied to get you through the door, and they lie to you to get you back for Season 2. When they still don't have the Rights to the Silmarillion or the LOTR.
With apologies to Mark Twain, the rules of narrative fiction require:
That a tale shall accomplish something and arrive somewhere. But the "Rings of Power" tale accomplishes nothing and arrives in air.
They require that the episodes in a tale shall be necessary parts of the tale, and shall help to develop it. But as the "Rings of Power" tale is not a tale, and accomplishes nothing and arrives nowhere, the episodes have no rightful place in the work, since there was nothing for them to develop.
They require that the personages in a tale, both dead and alive, shall exhibit a sufficient excuse for being there. But this detail has been overlooked in the "Rings of Power" tale.
They require that when the author describes the character of a personage in the tale, the conduct and conversation of that personage shall justify said description. But this law gets little or no attention in the "Rings of Power" tale, as the hobbits' case will amply prove.
They require that the personages of a tale shall confine themselves to possibilities and let miracles alone; or, if they venture a miracle, the author must so plausibly set it forth as to make it look possible and reasonable. But these rules are abandoned to Shelob in the "Rings of Power" tale.
They require that the author shall make the reader/listener/viewer feel a deep interest in the personages of his tale and in their fate; and that he shall make the reader love the good people in the tale and hate the bad ones. But the viewer of the "Rings of Power" tale dislikes the good people in it, is indifferent to the others, and wishes they would all get drowned together.
They require that the characters in a tale shall be so clearly defined that the reader/listener/viewer can tell beforehand what each will do in a given emergency. But in the "Rings of Power" tale, this rule is stabbed with a Morgul blade.
If only we could take Amazon's Rings of Power, journey to Tolkien's Middle-earth: Mordor, climb Mount Doom and cast that cursed series into the fire. 🌋
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Dark Lord Bezos would just go and have a new abomination crafted. Unlike Sauron, Amazon’s fate is not ties to the Rings of Power
Sarek was the only elf that looked like an elf. He looked like a space elf, but that's an improvement over the rest of the cast.
I decided to be "patently evil" and read all the books again from beginning. It is amazing that they didn't understand why Lord of the Rings trilogy WORKED and why Hobbit FAILED. They had two perfect examples of how to do it and how not to do it ... And they failed so hard.
At least with The Hobbit, there is the foundation for a good film. Have a look for the Tolkien Edit of The Hobbit. It's 4 hours long, but has cut out all the Turiel love triangle nonsense etc. It changes the whole tone, and turns it into what it should be... a quest.
I think it’s evident these “writers” weren’t up to the job any decent story was beyond them
If this had all been part of Sauron/Halbrand's 'plan', it relied to heavily on decisions and actions that were outside his control/influence.
Unless Sauron is writing the script. Then it is fully under his control. But that would mean... that the real twist is that the writers are Sauron
What part of the plan was sitting on a raft in the ocean, with a bunch of humans near the portal to valinor?? That's what I want to know lol
@@Ma55ey Let's face it; they will never tell us why Sauron was on a raft somewhere close enough to Valinor that Galadriel could SWIM there and they're hoping everyone will just forget to ask.
@@kulman4295 Interesting break of the fourth wall. Makes sense in the plot, as the plot makes no sense. And their own rule was "Tolkien never said it DIDNT happen" so anything goes at this point
If you go outside of what is written and shown, and fix the story for the writers, you could say that Sauron's plan was to sail to Numenor in order to corrupt and control them, prior to enacting plan part 2 of crafting the rings. But then the wyrm smashed their ship and reduced it to a raft, leaving it at the mercy of the tides. Then Galadriel shows up, they get rescued by Numenorians, and he starts getting pushed to return to the southlands far earlier than he had planned to.
But that is just me trying to fix their garbage to make some sort of sense.
Halbrand mentions adding nickel to steel when making a sword but a friend of mine who collects swords said that is the way to get a brittle sword that breaks easily.
Nickel is one of the earliest alloying elements used to make modern steel. There are MANY modern alloys that use nickel in varying amounts. 15N20 is a steel containing 2% Nickel that is used to make saw blades and pattern welded steel knives.
It's clear that Sauron never intended to come to Middle Earth again because he puts his sigil down on the table in Numenor, then picks it up again, when absolutely no one is watching. That means, he was seriously debating with himself at that moment, because there was no one else there to be acting for. What that also means, is that, like Casablanca, Sauron just happened to be floating around in the same part of the ocean that Galadriel was swimming in--"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine". Poor Sauron.
Ding dong, the Harfoot's dead, ding dong, the wicked Harfoot's dead!
Thank goodness…
And now his wife is the 4th girlboss in the series. And the first thing she does is holding the map upside down. Nice.
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Shout out to Amazon for finally (albeit unwittingly) supporting small businesses instead of crushing them out of existence!
This show made so much money, and gave so much exposure, for small to medium sized TH-cam channels like yours. It was kind of the corporate equivalent of the Darwin awards.
Seriously, the PJ LoTR comparison to JRR Tolkien's novels sounds amazing.
Yep. It allowed for the rapid growth of channels hosted by disgruntled alt-right white guys across TH-cam.
@@joeterzio7175 Yep. Just Some Guy, The Little Platoon, Jayne Theory, Nina Infinity, Eric Kain, Beyond the Trailer (Grace Randolph), Jessie Gender After Dark...all clearly "disgruntled alt-right white guy" TH-camrs who either disliked (or disliked key parts of this show while hoping for a better 2nd season).
Gil galad : we need leave man ( in shaggy from Scooby-Doo voice )
Grandmabimbor : if only there was a way I could make a circle of some sort
Gil galad : it is to late for that man . These evil little harfoot things are roaming around man
Thanks guys, that was educational, interesting and above all entertaining. Nicely summed up and well worth the time spent watching it. I'm not the most knowledgeable guy when it comes to Tolkien and it has been a while since I read any of his works, the last interaction I had with anything Middle Earth was the Jackson trilogy which I absolutely loved. When it was first released it was a no brainer that it had to be viewed on the big screen. My nephew and I made a point of viewing the trilogy at the cinema as our special Christmas treat for three years running. He, being somewhat younger than me, is more of a Harry Potter fan but the lad enjoyed the films just as much as I did and I was thankful to remember enough lore to answer all his questions.
I actually treated myself to a trip to New Zealand in 2018 to go and visit some of the filming locations and even included the really cheesy touristy bit of it by visiting the Hobbiton set. Bit sad I know but it was fun and enjoyable, I even had a pint of beer in the Green Dragon pub! Well worth going halfway around the world for, location scenery in real life was awesome
So, was obviously very disappointed by Amazon's efforts. I've enjoyed watching a few of the channels on YT which commented on and reviewed the series but yours stood out as being more of a Tolkien site which delved a little deeper rather than just a general film/game/tv/comic review channel. Enjoyed both the shorter uploads from Jonathan and the more in-depth discussion with the three of you. There's an understated sense of humour which comes through nicely on these longer shows and I chuckled quite a lot at this one in particular. Dan, you're on thin ice with all this 'fascist adjacent' stuff, you gotta be careful man! That was actually hilarious, kudos to Michael for coining the phrase.
Apologies for being long winded but I needed to let you know that your work has been much appreciated by this 'part-time' Tolkien fan.
Appreciate you listening, Pete. And if we criticized you for being long-winded, we would be hypocrites.😊
There was room for a Michael Jackson dance number through the "who's bad" confrontation between Gandude and the Nazgurlz.
Maybe this show could be great if it was made as a musical? At this point, anything, anything couldn't be worse!
Guyladriel applied the witch test: if he dies from the ride he's innocent, if he lives he's a wizard
They said "back to the book", but they never said which book. Maybe they read Wizard of Oz and Fifty Shades of Grey.
Balrog, a notoriously light sleeper, awoke from a dropped leaf... looks around, realized ROP was still on the Tele and decided to sleep another few millennium
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I don’t mind confessing that I cheered aloud when Sir Lenny Pixie was injured; it was my favourite moment of the whole series.
The death of the halfwit..I mean harefoot was an attempt to recreate a ned stark or boromir moment of loss, a beloved characters untimely death..a wtf moment of incredulity. All this moment created was a sense of relief and joy that there is one less nobbit in middle earth.
If they are going for 5 seasons, they could have started right in the middle of Second Age ( SA 1500-1600) which is when Sauron forged the rings of power ( as per the title of the show), I think its better because its only about 1500 years to work with ( with some time compression) spread into 5 seasons, instead of compreesing the whole 3000 years like what Amazon did.
In season 1 - Introducing Annatar ( Sauron in disguised) as the antagonist, the forging of the rings, that eventually led to the sack/fall of Eregion after he was able to corrupt/deceive the Elven smiths there including Celebrimbor.
In Season 2, they can continue with the establishment of Rivendell/Imladris, and showing the rise of power of Sauron as he dominates middle earth with his corruption. Distributing the rings he already made earlier with celebrimbor ( the 7 rings to dwarves and 9 rings to men) maybe with some short introduction of Numenoreans, as they already began to set up settlements and colonies in Middle Earth around SA 1200
In season 3, Numenor came to aid the Elves and pushed Sauron and eventually defeated him and his forces. This can be broken up into two parts as in the books the first time Numenor came to Middle earth is to aid the Gil Galad and the elves of Lindon, they managed to drive out Sauron and his forces out of Eriador ( the region where Sauron sacked Eregion-the elven smith city) and pushed Sauron back to Mordor, (around SA 1700), then second part is where Numenor came again with a much greater host led by Ar Pharazon that caused Sauron's forces to flee and abandon him to be captured as prisoner to Island of Numenor ( around SA 3260) .
In season 4, story shift to Numenor where Sauron slowly gaining the trust of King of Numenor and became King's advisor and poisoned his mind for immortality, to the point that Numenor went to Aman to rebel against Valar (SA 3319), there will be civil unrest among the kingsmen and the faithful, the end of Season 4, is the destruction of Numenor, where the island sink under the sea.
In Season 5 following of the fall of Numenor, Sauron escaped and arrived back in Middle Earth. Few of Numenorean survivors ( i.e. the faithful like Elendil and his two son Anarion and Isildur) also arrvied in Middle Earth and establish Kingdom of Arnor and Gondor, and this lead to the forming of last alliance, where in the final episode, it ends with the war of the last alliance ( elves, men and dwarves) against Sauron's forces (SA 3429 -3341).
I think they could've gone that route, but instead they were doing too much, the story of the harfoots is just unnecessary as there is no mention about hobbits in 2nd age, the same thing with the meteor man ( wizard/istari),as they show up right in the beginning of TA ( Third Age) not in second age.
Not sure why the showrunners did the way they did, but imo, the Amazon RoP show is really a mess. I mean the title of the show is called RoP ( Rings of Power) and we only see like around 5 minutes of the forging of the rings right at the end of season 1, and that's it, not to mention only the 3 elven rings but not the other 16 rings ( 7 for dwarves and 9 for men) plus of course the one master ring.
That sounds great but what role would Guyladrial have and you don’t mention Harfeet anywhere
@@catherinehiley3274 the harfoot story arc shouldn't even exist in second age , Tolkien didnt mention about them, its only in TA ( Third Age) that they mention about them, as for Galadriel, she moved around Middle Earth, alternating between living with Celeborn ( her husband) who prefer to stay in Middle Earth after War of Wrath. around SA ( Second Age) 750, they moved to Eregion and lived with Celebrimbor ( Galadriel's cousin). She among the other like Gil Galad and Elrond were able to sense who Annatar really is, she even warned Celebrimbor that Annatar ( Sauron's in disguise) not to be trusted. She was the one who advised separating the three elven rings. Nenya ( the Ring of Water) went to her , the other two, Narya ( ring of fire) to Cirdan of Greyhavens and Vilya ( ring of wind) to Gil Galad of Lindon. The rings of power should focus more on Celebrimbor as he is the main protagonist in the forging of the rings not Galadriel as shown in RoP
I love the huge elaborate anvil that is only ever used as a table.
That Macbeth quote is perfect!! Thank you for speaking truth and for giving us something to laugh at throughout this abomination of a show. Can't wait to get back to chatting about the Silmarillion and what Tolkien actually wrote! 😃
Don't underestimate she-man's power. She didn't just survive...she face tanked a volcanic blast!
The sun rising in the west when the Numenorians rode into mordor annoyed me, but so did the line 'where the stars are strange' and the witches are from Rhun which is East of Middle earth.
The stars would be strange if Rhun was far south and you lived in the far north or visa versa. Stars like the sun travel across the sky from east to west so Rhun and most of middle earth would have the same stars
On Sauron getting some mithril to make the one ring, perhaps the dwarves will learn of the elven rings and be both upset that their mithril was used without their permission and jealous. Then Sauron can cut a deal with the dwarves, mithril from them and seven rings in exchange. By the way, we should try to guess what the extra alloy metal will be that allows the One Ring to have power over the others, since the power of the rings has been reduced to metallurgy.
What even was Saurons plan?
Did he even have one?
He got trapped on a raft with some random people, knowing that Galadriel was going to jump off the boat when she was being sent to the Undying Lands. He knew that they were going to be picked up by the Numenorians and welcomed on their island.
He knew that Galadriel would believe his story because of his sigil, even though he said he just took it, and then convince the Numenorians to go to war to liberate the Southlands, despite him not wanting to go.
He knew about Adar, that he was planning to create Mount Doom and succeed, despite him fighting against him and capturing him. He knew that he was going to get badly wounded and that Galadriel would take him to Eregion because of that and that he would be allowed to partake in the creation of the rings of power.
And to plan ahead for that, he must have known of the fact that the elves were desperately looking for a cure for the fading, that they figured out that mithril would help and that they would get some from the dwarfs, but not enough to solve their problem.
This... sounds a bit contrived to me.. that would include a ton of random chance or the insights of an all-knowing being, that not only knows of events all around the world, but also of events that haven't even happened yet..
Or was this whole journey of Sauron really just pure chance? Had he just given up on life when he was stranded on this raft, until Galadriel swam by and picked him up for this wild ride?
Did Sauron just happen to randomly stumble over the chance to lay the foundations for him to rule the world, just because he came across Galadriel?
Did Sauron end up in Celebrimbor's forge by pure luck, or was this where he wanted to go all along???
The only thing I could come up with is that Sauron planned to go to Numenor after clashing with Adar, maybe to forge his weapons with magical abilities there, but the ship he was on got wrecked. When he came across Galadriel by pure chance, he tried to stick to his plan to establish himself in Numenor, using his fake sigil to gain their trust, but Galadriel wouldn't let him, so he improvised from there on...
I might be given the writers too much credit with this..
Everything you wrote, plus, WHY did he help them with the Mithril forging "problem" at all? They were going to leave M.E or die. He stopped BOTH those things from happening! I mean, either event would have benefited his future plans immensely wouldn't they?
And even if he had somehow "made up" the plague story, and "somehow" convinced the Elves it was real, and "somehow" made the Mithril cure the leaf, etc, he STILL, by teaching them how to alloy Mithril, stopped the Elves from leaving M.E.?! Why?
"I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS HERE!!".
@@KingBarnaDuke Wow, this rabbit hole is getting deeper and deeper... I didn't even think about what options Sauron would have had if he stuck solely to the logic of the show... I was just thinking of where he eventually ended up in the show and why, plus how to get to the movies from there.
Well, that goes out the window, anyway, because the movies can't happen after they screwed up the rings... There is no freaking way and no reason the remaining 16 rings get made after all of this..
@@dh510 I'm certain now, that the writers wrote themselves into a corner. They got carried away trying to tell their own story in someone else's creation. And screwed up both.
What a cock up! 🙃
Thank you for watching this so I don't have to. I couldn't make it through the second episode.
Historically, it is said that Mongols could ride up to 50 miles per day with 5 horses per man. They had to constantly switch horses to keep them from wearing out. They could allegedly go a full month this way drinking mare's milk mixed with horse blood.
Is it possible that they are intentionally making Galadriel as unlikeable as possible, so they can give her a redemption arc later in the story? They did it with Ahsoka Tano in The Clone Wars series.
Also, I find it annoying that the Harfoots look so dirty and matted, when some of our oldest archaeological finds include hair combs and razors. Combs can be found alongside the remains of sabre toothed tigers. We are supposed to believe they discovered complex loom technology to create their clothes, but don't know how to comb/delouse their hair?
Competition horses travel 100 miles a day, so 600 in 6 days.
But, the rider must be in good health. The jolts of the ride would cause severe bleeding.
@@mountainwolf3358 What competition? You may be able to get a horse to go 100 miles in a day, but doing that for six consecutive days? Not a chance.
It seems they're suggesting Sauron is going to be the pov character of season 2. That's probably a good move because most people are rooting for the orcs at this point.
Watching Guyladriel is just unbearable, I hope they severely limit her screen time
@@AS-fu1kd I was hoping that she was going to be vaporised by the Ash cloud at the end of that episode to be reincarnated as Cate blanchett in the next one.. but alas...
Maybe they are traveling around middle earth so fast because they are using the fast travel feature from the minecraft lotr mod (but saying that might be an insult to the mod)
Celebrimbor the Elves greatest living craftsman…of HAIR!
I do wish his line to Galadriel of “you’re as wet as a river rock” was moved to when she first got off her horse, continuity please show!
Those 'hair-dos' of the Elves bug me no-end - I suspect the 'Showrunners' brought in their favourite Hollywood stylist to create them. Camp is the word.
Shouldn't the elven healers not have noticed during the healing process that Halbro is not really human? They surely have met a Majar before? Seems not only Galadriel, Celebrimbor and Gil-Galad are stupid...oh boy.
I can't believe they called the episode 'Alloyed.' They couldn't be any more on the nose.
I think the last episode was full of reshoots. This episode felt salvaged.
And yet was not actually salvaged in any way! lol.
Here’s to hoping for the rapture before Amazon gets the chance to defile even more Tolkien!
It was fun listening to you guys throughout the season... I'll miss it
When you talked about the horses I looked up Shadowfax in Tolkien Gateway, because he once got Gandalf from Rohan to Weathertop at top speed, and he ran 620 miles in six days. So Galadriel traveling 600 miles in six days is only possible if she has a super-horse like Shadowfax, and she needs a second horse like that to carry Halbrand.
And because the show nowhere established that Galadriel had a horse of Shadowfax-level endurance and speed, let alone two such horses, we can safely say this is another very stupid blunder by the showrunners.
100 miles a day is within reach of some horses apparently - as long as they get their rest. It looks to me like Guy-Lad-Ree-L and Sauron would have had to go more like 1000 miles or more, which would require 167 miles or more per day.
I can accept Numenorean horses having the speed and stamina of Shadowfax, but that kind of speed and endurance still strains belief. And if the show wants us to grant them proto-Mearas Numenorean horses, then why can't they also show the people and civilization of Numenor as it should be?
He’s also directly related to Oromë’s steed! Same with Felarof/Frèalaf!
The best endurance racers can do 100 miles in under 6 hours, although the horses do have special breeding, training, and would get a few weeks of rest after a race. I think I remember the numenoreans having special horses, so I find it believable they could cover the distance. However, 600 miles over difficult terrain would take a lot of fitness for the riders, not something even a mildly injured person could do, let alone the critical injured person who was bedridden 5 minutes before the start of the ride...
- I think you can craft a good story even if you want to shit on Tolkien's lore and have your strong wahman Galadriel, with a few modifications you can make their story work. You just needed Sauron being Sauron from start: him lying about being king and pushing to go to Middle Earth, Galadriel might have found out that he is not a king right after the volcano (somehow) and start being suspicious about him (why did you heal so fast?), then you can have him go to Eregion and becoming best friend with Celebrimbor while Galadriel tries to warn everybody but they don't believe her because she did the same at the start of the series. IT'S NOT HARD. (I'm not saying this is any good but it makes more sense than what they did).
I hope Amazon releases a rings of power extended edition before Christmas. I want to gift it to the people I hate
Who could you possibly hate THAT much?!
@@Strideo1 🤣🤣🤣
@@Strideo1 my younger brother!
Yes. that is needed because this show wasn't slow enough.
Honestly, if this version of Galadriel, with all her rage and powerlessness, having elf men cut her down and not letting her do her thang, had actually accepted Saubrand's offer, it would have made perfect sense. They created a Gal that fit perfectly with their version of Sauron, ruling M-e side-by-side. I think that she rejects him feels strange because the power he would give her can make up for his killing her brother unknowingly. Like, his gifted power is almost an apology to her for what he did to Finrod, something only a Maiar like him could even give. If she had taken it, it would have fit so perfectly with the character arc they created for her--a character going down a dark path and sealing the deal. At least I would have considered it the natural result of how they wrote her.
So true, and that would actually made for a much better story than what they ended up with. I mean, if you are going to crap on Tolkien, at least do it in a way that makes some sense.
In season two their will be a twist when Galadriel learns how to utilize her pointy ears to focus the power of the mithral in her ring to make her even more powerful. She soon learns that racist Numenorians are attempting to exterminate the harfoots. Meanwhile sauron who is still getting over Galadriel’s rejection finds love from an unexpected quarter.
Oh please go through Jackson's trilogy. The thing that I hated the most was the number of scenes he made up, and there are so many of them. Not just that, but so many characters were portrayed wrongly imo. Yes that puts me in a tiny minority I know 🤣
I'm with you. I enjoy the movies, but the changes PJ and FW made were devastating.
I was torn into on another channel for daring to say that the Lord of the rings trilogy hasn't aged too well.. don't get me wrong they are great movies... but people holding them up against rings of power as the last bastion of pure Tolkien is a bit absurd... we were millimetres away from arwen warrior princess let's not forget that...
Yet.. it’s still better content and great movies. ROP doesn’t make any sense, writing is lazy, dialogue is cringy and sounds like modern people trying to LARP.
@@Blarpy110 100% agree with you...
I agree with you. You are not the only one who had issues. I did like the movie, but I did not like the portrayal of Aragorn. Jackson portrayed Aragorn as being indecisive because he lacked confidence. He did not lack confidence. He just did not know whether to go to Gondor or walk Frodo into Mordor. Jackson added Arwen in to save Frodo at Rivendell when Frodo himself held out against the Nazgûl. She supposedly made the flood when Gandalf and Elrond made it, Elrond who had the ring. Arwen was an unnecessary addition and her saving him actually undermined Frodo’s credibility as ring bearer. There were a few other scenes like that, with Frodo being less awesome in the movies than he was in the books for some unknown reason. It seemed to undermine the story. This did not stop me from liking the movies, but I did think the books revealed more depth of character and meaning than the movies did. I really did not like the Hobbit movies, and I absolutely hate the Rings of Power, though.
We will make 3 rings... because I want one - Galadriel
Johnathan looked rightly perplexed at Micheals ring lore :0
I hope to see more of the massive elf catacombs in season 2
Not sure why elves made catacombs when they didn't grow old and die.
@@slimbombur7922 maybe they like to cosplay being dead just to know what it feels like, since it is such an abstract concept to them
@@slimbombur7922 exactly. Hence my reaction at the sudden realization that some hack writer had used that turn of phrase.
Must admit, its been an ABSOLUTE joy listening to the many critics out there! Superb! FAR better then the show itself!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Pure joy! Like I keep saying, I've seen better plots in porn movies from the 60s! They deserve the critic!
The showrunners have said that they want to tell Sauron's "origin story," which suggests that your theory is correct: they don't regard all the events of season 1 as due to Sauron's machinations but Galadriel's actions. Oof.
no recently after more backlash for the finale they claimed that sauron aka halbrand "manipulated" everyone in middle earth. which is ugh🤦♀️
@@thelilyfarrell Typical of lazy and incompetent writing: wanting to have it both ways, and claiming "no, this was the idea all along."
I know next to nothing about forges but who builds one at the top of a tower?
The potential for danger feels huge.
Re 22:50
Halbrand: Have you considered combining the Mithril with other precious metals?
Celebrimbor: Not yet. I have been rather busy getting my hair permed and trying on some new dresses.
Halbrand: O-kay...
Strapping in for a long one!
I'll tell you EXACTLY what that faithful scene was about. The entire exchange is basically the showrunners admitting that they know they fucked up but are begging us, the fans and the rest of the audience to keep watching anyway. Let's re-read that exchange using more relevant terms. They knew this show was a disaster but committed to attacking fans and not respecting the lore anyway. They want us to be "faithful" that the show will get better though because from every metric we can reliably measure (because Amazon will not give us the real numbers and there's a lot of suspicious activity going on) there's no hiding from the fact this flopped. It was not as well liked or watched as Amazon hoped or needed. This is why not long after this episode aired, the showrunners did an interview where they said "Oh yeah, Season 2 is gonna be more accurate to the canon and lore. We're gonna give people in Season 2 what they wanted from Season 1". All they ask is that we keep paying for Prime and we keep watching their garbage. Because after all, shows only get good after 3 seasons right? And Amazon cannot afford to have this fail so the showrunners are also begging Bezos and the investors to have faith in them cause they'll totally turn this around.
THAT'S what that scene was about. I dare anyone to change my mind.
I don't think that they believe this show was a flop.. its sat at number 2 in the nelson ratings chart.... that's not a flop by any metric.. amazon doesnt care about lore or if the show is any good... just how many new subscribers it brings in. The Lord of the rings is a financially lucrative IP, there is no reason why their show wouldn't be successful.. they've already convinced themselves that any negative reviews of this show is just racist toxic Internet trolls. They don't care about Tolkien or his story because look what they what they with it. Plus Tolkien was a racist, religious, old white guy... they've modernised his work now, and are probably quite proud of the series.. because if nothing else, they have introduced long overdue representation into middle earth. Now Tolkien isn't just for white people.. the show runners have already said that next season they want to focus on sauron... because they know that what Tolkien fans want, is to see how sauron is just a victim and how the elves are the real evil race in middle earth.... I can't wait for the pieces that say after another dreadful season that the fans will love season 3, because it's going to be more canonical to what Tolkien wrote....
Suggestting that Sauron had a plan, is pretty generous.
Because as far as what we are actually shown, Sauron had no plan, had given up on his "power over flesh" idea, and was going to retire to somewhere that he could be a metal smith
It took Boromir 110 days to travel from Minas Tirith to Rivendell. But 6 days is also plausible 🤦♂️
The blindfold is understandable. My Dad was blind and would wear his dark glasses because sunlight was painful to his eyes and he would get awful headaches from it.
hahahaha 😂 yeah sure it’s understandable lol
@@Capt.RedBeard yes it is. Blindness can cause a condition called photophobic. Did you think blind people wore dark glasses to look cool?
@@oldladyhembrew797 lol no but that’s a really funny thought 🤣 😎 i’m cool
But she thinks that people won't notice she's blind that way🤣
Imagine spending a billion dollars to give TH-cam a boost. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy to see you guys get the boost you so well deserve, and I'm glad someone else paid for the advertising.
In rop the option that Galadriel is an idiot is always the first and best guess.
Your initial pause at the Celebimbor/Halbro scene was right on the money: Halbro enters the forge asking "what is this place", and within 3 minutes he gives smithing advice to the best smith in the world and 2nd best ever....and yet the thousands-year-old genius that is Celebrimbor isnt suspicious of how can a guy go from not recognising a forge to giving HIM advice within 3 minutes.... I swear, people who legit think this show is good must have IQ below 50...as do the writers/showrunners.
The song at the end of "The two towers" has been sung by Emiliana Torrini and it is awesome. The one they've used at the end of ROP is pathetic.
Thousands of years she hunted him with vengeance and hatred in her heart. Stood across from her target she thrusts her knife with all of her might and.... he grabs her arm without even having to try and knocks her out. What a baddass
Here's what I'm guessing will happen:
1. Sauron will get Adar to work for him again, and send him to Numenor, causing its destruction, because Adar is probably the elf from the prophecy.
2. Miriel will leave with Elendil to establish Gondor & they'll be queen and king.
3. Galadriel will find Celeborn in a prison somewhere and rescue him with barely any assistance.
4. "Gandalf" and Nori will meet up with Galadriel, probably at Lothlorien.
5. The dwarven forge is located elsewhere, and the rings for men & dwarves will be forged there, where Sauron will later capture Celebrimbor.
Lol if they can remember any of their own storylines. They can't even have continuity episode to episode, can't imagine how they'll do it season to season
@@AS-fu1kd They have major story points, and then wing it from there to disastrous results. If any of my predictions come true, they will be done in a most irrational way.
I appreciate all the work you guys put into these videos, I genuinely love these discussions. Can't wait for future content!
There’s more work in the video than the writing for the series.
Random thought. When elves die they go to the Halls of Mandos in Valinor. Galadriel is out for revenge because her brother was killed by Sauron. Galadriel was seconds away from entering Valinor, where the Halls of Mandos can be found.
Why did she jump of the boat again?
I’m excited for this video. Thanks guys, perfect Sunday watch
Thank you guys so much for the in depth review of the whole season, it really put lights on almost everything the show has to offer. thanks for the efforts. it really a wonderful journey being with you and not like the journey of the show itself. hearts
Very grateful that so many of you seemed to enjoy our rambles. It takes some of the sting out of those 9-10 hours of my life that I will never get back, listening to RoP.
I figured it out. The rings are mini arc reactors that generate infinite power. Next season Celebrimbor builds mithril power armor to fight the balrog under khazad dum.
I've been thinking about the Jackson films and the only plot hole i can think of was when Frodo is Stabbed by Shelob's stinger. Shouldn't have been possible with His Mithril shirt.
Frodo still had Sting after being captured by Faramir. He drew it on Sam when the Nazgul flew over them. He should've been disarmed really. Not really a plot hole though, just a nitpick!
Oh, there are two many I don't even know where to start. Merry couldn't even make the Nazgûl mortal as he didn't had the sword Tom Bombadill gave him.
Excellent review here. Agree on all points. Except perhaps the 1 will corrupt 2 will divide 3 will bring balance quote. I thought that was a decent metaphor of why they made 3, which Tolkien didn’t explain.
Sifting through the ashes here. Other things I did like:
- Elrond-Durin story. Not perfect but pretty decent, and for me it carried the show. Also Durin’s argument with his father was believable. Of course everything else was so poor that this is a case where of the one eyed man being king in the land of the blind.
- music. It was decent enough. Not memorable and epic like Jackson’s trilogy music. But passable. “This wandering day” was really good, great fitting vibe.
- Numenorian harbor setting. That was great. Then they let the whole thing down by portraying the Numenorians as a village of peasants. These are supposed to be elven bloodlined “high humans”. Tall, dark, handsome, and elegant. Not bickering peasants.
Sadly the few things I liked were completely overwhelmed by the most basic failures: failure to write a coherent believable story, failure to capture the essence of almost all the major characters (elrond, durin and elendil were good, everyone else they they missed it completely), and over all this incompetence they then cast a sour gravy of wokeness that is so on the nose it nearly broke my face.
I will miss Rings of Power, not because I liked it, but because of this Post TH-cam Content that I enjoyed...
Nice use of Macbeth!!
Love watching you guys light this trash on fire. Now that this show established it wasn't going to be faithful to Tolkien in any regard it will be interesting to see what happens 10 years from now when they finish. I have a feeling it will look like Cyberpunk 77 with flying cars, androids and amputee parlors.
Catacomb - An underground, often labyrinthine passageway.
Forget the salt baths, mithrilcillon in needed to heal this
Taking bets now for the amazing arc where bronwyn lays the foundation of Gondor and Isildur is standing applauding like an idiot
Thanks for the comment about elves taking jobs from Numenorian;, besides Guyladrial, multiracial hobbits, the story needed a reference to fears of immigration.
Real question: would the elves have established catacombs after the war with Morgoth? Since so many died. Where was that statue of Finrod? Don't know why you'd keep scrolls there.
The whole "Celebrimbor doesn't know how to make alloys" bit cracks me up, as the show has clearly shown Numenoreans in bronze armour and using steel... which are both alloys. I suspect the writers didn't know that. Also, how does a dagger survive a pyroclastic flow but melt instantly above a dinky little crucible? Silly me, I'm using logic.
The Elves had no magic to them. Tolkien presented them as almost angelic beings. These Elves seemed like homosexual Vulcans or something weird. Galadriels character is absurd to make a long story short. The rest is a big bore. The end.
Hi I just subscribed to your channel and I am really enjoying it. To answer a question regarding Anatar, Sauron disguised himself (he was known as "The Bringer of Gifts") to bring discord to the elfs in Middle-Earth. Celeborn and Galadriel did not allow him into Lothlorien because they distrusted him, and he ended up going east to Eregion where he ingratiates himself to Celebrimbor. They then make the 16 rings. Sauron did not have any part in the making of the three elven rings.
*** just like in ROP ***
I'm not a Tolkien scholar... but I belive that the only influence that sauron had in creating the final 3 elven rings was that they were made using the knowledge that celebrimbor had learned from him...he wasn't in Eregion at the time they were made. They were still connected somehow to sauron and the one ring, but nothing like how the others were. He also spent years becoming friends with the elves and developing a deep trust with them... he didn't just show up out of the blue disguised as a man and suggest to celebrimbor randomly that mixing a few metals together might amplify the power of mithril..... but somone else might be able to tell you that I'm full of #$€@..
@@Ma55ey You are correct sir. He could sense they were out there but he could not affect those who wore them, as long as they were hidden from him.
@@domingo954 I would have loved to see his portrayed in rings of power... the elves being manipulated by sauron.. some of them not trusting him and some welcoming him with open arms.. I could imagine that would cause quite a few issues in elven society.... but we can't have that now..
Yes, I wish they would have told that story. I really do not know how the writers will make a story that is canon out of the mess they have now.
@@Ma55ey I would like to know now that Haldar (Anatar/Sauron) has been found out, how the other 16 rings were crafted.. Did they manage to stretch what little Mithril they had to make the rest of the rings? Also, Anatar was actually involved in making those and took them.
Celebrimbor stole my nightie!
The group mentions Grandma-brimbor's outfit, then it dawned on me. Professor McGonagall had the same outfit, but with a hat!.... Isn't Celebrimbor supposed to be a badass Smith?
Very excited you guys are going to do a series comparing the Jackson LOTR and all its dumbed down characters and themes to the real thing. You’ve just won yourselves another subscriber. Also appreciate the Catholic commentary (as a Catholic) diving into JRR’s themes that Amazon would never go near. Also appreciate (as a member of an ecumenical community) that not all of you are Catholic! Keep up the great work 👍🏻
You’ll enjoy Nazgol channel’s Galadriel video then!😊
Tolkien Untangled did a great video too. Especially his fixing the series video. An hour long. Was beautiful
you're a child
@@Makkaru112 Will check it out!
As a British man/Englishman I would like to apologise on behalf of all the great British scientists who created the laws and theories that ultimately helped those who created the technology to allow this series to be filmed.
Absolutely no blame of course can be levelled at the great English/British author who created the works this series is unfortunately based on.
Aa an Englishman/Brit I also need to blame the French.
Ze french resent that 🤣
Feanor was the greatest smith actually, but great vid guys
C’mon guys, it was ALL Sauron’s machinations! He wanted access to Numenor and to the Elves, and things happened according to his plans. If the Ring can make things happen against probability, imagine what Sauron can do!
The reason the building(tower) of the forge is so big is because they built office space under it to lease out for extra income.
What we really need right now is a little one-hour special by Peter Jackson, the death of Aragorn and Arwen, the end of their story, and Sam's departure from Middle Earth. We REALLY NEED that now. Just a little bow, a farewell and good bye, now that the actors are of an age they can do it properly. I bet more people would watch and rewatch that than every season of every episode of ROP combined. Maybe, maybe it ends with Sam seeing Frodo and Gandalf and Bilbo .. OH MAN!
Hilarious review! Thanks! You quickly became one of my favorite ROP-review channels. Laughter has a healing effect.
The other day I was watching Fellowship Ring ext edition, and it dawned on me why the Rings of Power writers chose to forge the 3 elven rings first: they simply followed the structure put forward by Peter Jackson in the movies! That's it. The saw the Fellowship opening, figured the 3 elven rings come first and just did it the same way in their show. This is the level of ignorance we are dealing with. I'm SURE when in season 2 they find some convoluted way for Sauron to go back in disguise to Eregion and trick Celebrimbor to forge the 7 and the 9, the showrunners will go "yeah we are just sticking to how Peter Jackson did it int he movies, so if you have an issue with this, go to him!". Unbelievable.
I still don't understand how it goes from showing us that the mithril heals by proximity (as we saw with the leaf) to, putting it in a round thing will heal all the elves to, the items we create using the mithril will contain great power.
HEY me ttoo, because of rings of power i found you guys and im glad!
Back to the book my ass!
What they really meant was,
book to the back,
book to the back,
book to the back.
Hands up everyone who thinks these writers are capable of writing a complex evil character like Walter White.
Absolutely loved this - you guys have really great rapport, it’s great when you make each other laugh at something in the show the others didn’t catch the first time. Such an awful episode, but it makes for a great video from you guys!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yes it's stupid but I think that forge is supposed to be the one the dwarves built. I say that because the chains on the smelting pot and other designs and decorations look Dwarven not Elvish
Yes, but Tolkien never wrote that the immortal elves DIDN'T build catacombs to store their dead. I'm sure the writers have big plans for a catacomb based set-piece in future seasons.
Yeah, he only wrote that the Elvish burial custom literally consisted of finding a nice spot, digging a hole, bunging the corpse in, burying it, and promptly forgetting about it.
Because even when Elves die they don't die. Their spirit goes to the Halls of Mandos, where after a time depending on their goodness they just get handed a new body and start walking around alive again. Hell, one such Elf, Glorfindel, was killed in a mutual kill with a Balrog, got a new body, and then PROMPTLY returned to Arda for another go.
Elves literally only see Elven corpse disposal as another form of trash cleanup. Because an Elf's grief over another Elf's death is but the small grief of a temporary seperation, not that of permanent loss. They know that sooner or later they will be themselves slain and go to the Halls, or else will return to Valinor alive. Either way they will reunite with those who fell.
The brother Galadriel is avenging in this series? He was handed a brand new body literally as soon as he reached the Halls. He is literally waiting in Valinor for her to return. As is every single Elf who has ever been slain. Every last one. Either alive again, or waiting to be so in the Halls (Looking at you, Feanor, you don't get a body again until Dagor Dagorath because you were so naughty)
By the way, this is why Elves see killing Orcs as not only a mercy, but a DUTY. Because as warped and twisted as they are, inside every Orc is the trapped soul of a tormented Elf. By killing the Orc, that Elf soul is released from its tortured flesh prison and goes to the Halls just like any other Elf soul, where they can eventually be reborn as the Elf they had been meant to be, freed of their pain and broken forms.
@@GuukanKitsune is it stated that the elves automatically get reincarnated?? I know that their spirits reside I'm the halls of mados.. and he has the ability to resurrect/reincarnate them if he deems them worthy.. I didn't think it was a guarantee.. happy to be wrong though..
@@Ma55ey They all EVENTUALLY will get reincarnated, yes. Even Feanor. Their purpose is to join in the Song of the Ainur for the Second Song. That is, the Elves were EXPRESSLY CREATED as minor Ainur in great number, to grow greater in number, so Illuvatar can lead them in song once again and this time have no Melkor to screw up the Song but still have something of his power to replace him. That way THIS time the Song gets sung to completion and Arda is actually remade and renewed and FINISHED.
They can't play their part in the Song if they have no bodies with which to Sing.
@@GuukanKitsune you're right.... i never realised this... i'm going to have to re-read through the books again now.... with a completely different perspective....
The Nazgirls were certainly some lesser Maiar.
Gandalf just showed us how they are seen in the Unseen World. It’s not just the Nazgul that are seen in the unseen world.
Don't forget that, according to Peter Jackson, the theatrical films are the intended versions for viewing.
What happens if we remember that?
Grrrladriel!
...and L.Ron.
It does harken back to that Scientology movie, where John Travolta plays the evil alien dude.
Very similar levels of production quality, dialog, and story depth.
And they both revolved around precious metals.
Battlefield Middle Earth
I have heard of several people getting into Tolkien through rings of plagiarism and OH the pleasant surprise they’re in for
That workshop is not the new forge built by the dwarves. The new one would be necessary because Celebrimbor planned to massively build mithril things for ALL Elves. With the idea to make the Rings, the new forge was no longer necessary.