The simple fact of the DA involvement in this automatically raises red flags all over the place for me. This DA knows there is an opportunity to make money off this animal. Glad to here you guys following up on this after the initial podcast with CJ. Keep up the conversations!
I had something very similar happen to me. I killed a 181 17 point with 4 drop times posted it to Facebook next day DNR was at my house. Even showing them everything they still tried to paint the picture that I poached it. Eventually they realized I was telling the truth but that deer is the reason I don’t have Facebook anymore. Haters hate.
@HUNTRPOD same shit happened to me. Killed a 164 that I had never seen before. Only thing that saved me is I literally killed him in front of a trail camera that was in the act of taking a video. Had to show the wardens the video and the camera itself to get them to not arrest me. Dude claimed I Killed it on his property. He had pics of it 9 miles away 22 hours before I shot him. No evidence at all except for the trail cam pic. It's also why I don't post my deer on social media and the dudes that started following me around to see where I was hunting.
@@thatguyfishingben4794this is the bullshit I’m talking about. This should never be allowed to hold up on court. Especially the evidence we have now of how far deer travel. A buck in Missouri that was radio collared was documented to travel over 180 miles across the state. These dnr claims should not ever be admissible in court.
EXACT SAME STORY!!!!! VERY AVID NORTHERN MICHIGAN BIG WOODS HUNTER!!!! -HAVE A DOZEN+ BOOK BUCKS ON THE WALL BLESSED TO HARVEST THE BIGGEST BUCK OF MY LIFE IN OCT 2023- WARDENS SHOWED UP TO MY HOUSE FOLLOWING DAY 😂👍🏻 ....... THEY LEFT FEELING STUPID!!! AND NOT EVEN AN APOLOGY OR A HAND SHAKE BEFORE DEPARTURE... -NO MORE RESPECT
I have tried to do suburban hunting near my house and been shut down and chased off by township officials and municipal employees that try and keep all those deer for themselves. The fact that it's a D.A and it backs up to land that belongs to the borough... I'll give the kid the benefit of the doubt.
If there is a local DA or public official pushing the “investigation” that’s also connected to the deer it definitely loses credibility as it would appear to be malicious prosecution. I need to see a trail cam picture within a few hours that’s 10 miles away or DNA matchable blood/guts on another property or something concrete. Mere circumstantial evidence isn’t going to cut it for me personally.
This always happens when a big deer is killed. I'm not saying he didn't do anything illegal. But he's innocent till proven guilty. Way to many deer have been confiscated and had to be given back because of wild false acusation bull crap. Many a men have done far worse in pursuit of smaller deer. Least not we forget the sins that have been conducted and the stones thrown falsely.
Yeah fuck the DA he won’t ever going to kill that buck even if it was on his property which I doubt it was not in November. In the middle of peak rut that giant buck was at his sisters
This is why i don't show people my deer. Social media has ruined hunting. Just keep your bucks to yourself. If you kill a record book buck congradulations to yourself. You know you did it. You will gain nothing by showing people. The only thing you w gain is negativity. Sad But true. Just keep it to yourself.
@@chrispeterson1247 yea im oldschool. I don't understand allot of this stuff. But I'll tell you this. How stupid can one be. Poach deer and brag.im. An oldschool guy. I love hunting. And i have been doing it for a very long time. But i keep my deer to myself and family. They mean to much to me to go flauntin around. I respect the animal to much for that.
I've been dying to know what your guys's thoughts are on that I'm super excited to see this video. Especially you guys being the first ones to give him a voice
When C.J. Hunted his sister’s property, it was overgrown with weeds and vegetation and the property had been for sale and unoccupied for while … that buck has probably been using that property by the ponds where it was a safe haven and he could feed and breed without hunting pressure… research proves on collared bucks that mature bucks can travel 15+ miles to breed during the rut ! I believe this guy just got lucky and hunted a spot no one would expect a buck of that caliber to be which is usually the case , bucks will seek weird places to seek safety from hunters and to breed doe’s ! I’ve hunted a buck in my hometown and ended up killing him on my friends farm in another town over atleast 15 miles away ! I also killed the biggest deer by youth in North Carolina in 1993 at 13 years old & scored 146 5/8 & I was in news papers and center of attention at North Carolina DIXIE DEER CLASSIC & I killed that buck with 2 older cousins just walking a property and I went one way they went other until the buck stepped out into my path and I shot it twice with browning pump shotgun with broken arm and had switch hands to pump shotgun and I only hit deer with2 buckshot one in nose and one in heart and I was lucky and after everything was said and done rumors of me killing at night with spot light surfaced and my dad killed it actually and so on and so forth !people hate to see someone else shine and they try to dissect and take your glory !
I found it interesting that you said research on collared bucks shows they will travel up to 15 miles during rut, and you shot one 15 miles away from where you usually see him. 😂 So I looked it up, I didn’t find this to be the case. Both MSU and Penn State 10+ year studies did not have bucks going 15+ miles during rut. They showed the longest a buck will travel is early in its life when it gets kicked from the doe group, that if they survive they MAY travel up to 10 miles to find a new home range. Some bucks were traveling up to 7-10 miles during rut. But most were traveling 3-5 miles away from their home range, which conveys what my friends and family and I see. Not saying it’s not true, your story. But I found it interesting.
You know as well as i, if you and your friend recover a world class buck in the daytime let alone any decent buck, their is NO way you are not going to take pics where the deer fell and no way cj again forgot his phone and his friend didnt have a phone. Impossible in this day in age
@@craigwagner327 i agree. My ass woulda had pics posted everywhere 5 min after I found him. Lol. There are a lot of things off about this whole thing but the fact that the DA was hunting him and is now the one going after the dude that killed the buck just doesn't sit well with me
Maybe when taking a buck of this size, the proper thing to do would be to include the game warden in the celebration and documentation. Any good game warden would love to be a part of the story and being witness to the recovery of such a world class animal.
Dan Coffman did that w/ his buck, the game warden was reluctant to come out, said something along the lines of, 'yeah everyone's got the next world record patterned.'
The burden of proof is on the state. Circumstantial evidence is not proof and we are all considered innocent until proven guilty. There is no way to prove that deer didn’t travel 10 miles, even overnight, during the rut. I would give him the benefit of the doubt until absolute rock solid proof of his guilt is found.
I agree that most of the evidence is circumstantial and he is innocent until proven guilty. Having said that, the “circumstantial” evidence is so strong, it just screams what really happened. He didn’t own a weapon or climber and lived within eyesight of the property area that he was frequently seen ( landfill and DA property area). Anyone that is a true hunter, sees this for what it is. He lived where it was likely sighted many times and did not even own a weapon or climber or the basics of what any, even fledgling, new hunters or aspiring bow hunters would definitely own. Anyone that has ever been a bow hunter ( especially a bow Hunter) sees this picture and the “circumstantial “ evidence differently than someone that has not hunted or been a committed hunter ( like bow hunters typically are). Those bow hunters out there know exactly what I am saying
@@chrishybart3269 I wasn’t aware of any evidence of him living in the area. If that is true it certainly doesn’t look good for him. I based my statement on the limited information provided on the podcast. You obviously have another source of information. If you don’t mind, I would love to know where all of this new information is coming from. Are you a local?
my buddy found a squatter on his property, he had made a road and set up camp on the back forty, would of never found out had it not been for tracking deer, police were called out and found grow opp, shoot out ensued both died... crazy
Did you ask him why he lied about the size of his sister’s property? I’m saying best case scenario he did shoot it on that small ONLY 8 ACRE PROPERTY!!! Then it ran to another property and he recovered it without permission- BEST CASE SCENARIO. But still WHY DID HE LIE ABOUT THE PROPERTY???? I just can’t let that go.
Yeah, that made no sense, especially when you give the location and names of property owner, like people are curious and are gonna check it out, it’s 9.1 acres on my app, I measured using google earth from corner of the property where he said he was in a tree to the center between the two ponds and it’s 65 yards… I mean I’m cheering for the guy and hope it’s all good, but when you see little details like that, you can’t help but think… I mean shit, you would think he could still see the buck from a stand at only 65yards in a open field with only two ponds on it. Either way, he’s innocent till proved otherwise, and that’s the way it should be.
America is strange, with how obsessive people are over deer. To the lengths some will go, to kill a deer, and the reactions to a big deer being killed. It's sad, that law enforcement always views us as guilty until proven otherwise. And it's like that, up here in Canada too. CO's are not your friend. And yes, they will lie. I have seen situations where they did. And this DA would too, seeing the lengths he's going to already. They are above the law almost, their words are just taken way more seriously.
Innocent until proven guilty. If he was some rich guy with 500 ace they would of never went after him. There mad that some poor trailer park kid shot this Giant Buck.lol😂
Bottom line, his story didn’t add up from the beginning and it only got worse. The DNR has very very good evidence to tie him to poaching it and trespassing. So it has nothing to do with a worthless trailer trash kid. He is what he is.
His buddy CORY works at a farm down the road from the landfill and CORY is the one that started this whole ordeal a few years ago. He is the ring leader. And these boys have been hunting the city property illegally for a few years now. So it’s not like CJ went in there one time and killed this monster buck. Him and Cory and a couple other friends have been sneaking in there and hunting for awhile now. I know for a fact that CJ has taken 2 bucks off those city properties and another gentleman that is in their clique that hasn’t been mentioned, has also taken a buck from their. So there is a lot that will come out in the end. And CJ and all his criminal buddies need the book thrown at them for what they have been doing for the past few seasons.
You always give people the benefit of the doubt until the doubts out way the benefits of truthfulness Let the DNR handle the investigation but continue to update us on anything new in the case.
A lot of folks here in Ohio ask for permission to hunt private ground and are granted that permission by the land owner, however Ohio law requires written permission.
Written permission? As landowner myself, as long as the guys asks me, and is granted permission, eliminate the paperwork, reminds me of the government too much.
This is why I don’t participate in social media. and I never have and never will let anyone score any of the bucks I shoot. The hunting industry is a joke, anyone involved in it is a joke. Just doing it for money and recognition.
I was chasing a world class all fall and planned to call the dnr the second I let an arrow fly and video my entire recovery just for this reason, it’s sad what jealousy of big bucks bring out of people
Innocent until PROVEN guilty. And by the way, a confession could just be admitting to shooting the buck. Not necessarily illegally shooting the buck. But prosecution will still call it a confession.
Most of those oil companies properties aren't gated and don't have overnight security. They literally probably just drove in late after midnight when every one was in the bed, loaded it, and drove out. It may be a crime to hunt on land without permission but I wonder if the oil company would have to push it to be charged with any crime.
Hopefully we get some updates soon. Aside from the absolutely odd details of the hunt, I really struggle with the story after looking on ONX at where CJ claims he killed the buck. It’s about 8 acres with maybe 2 acres huntable. The story is tough when you consider everything with the hunt, and recovery happened within maybe a 100X150yd area. I think any hunter looking at that property would struggle with the story. I mean from about where he says he was sitting to the middle of those ponds is 50yds roughly. He didn’t hear it or see it go down?
I think the worst part of this whole situation is the personal attacks on CJ And his family on social media. There’s one person that knows what exactly happened is CJ. Guilty or not for all this mob mentality before anything has been confirmed is just sad and also gives the hunting community a black eye. Just my opinion.
Its pretty hard to maneuver through anyone's woods that hunts without being caught on a trail cam let alone the property of a DA that has seen a 240 inch deer on his property and hunts. Dude is probably running 10 tactacams noway you could go in blindly and track a deer without being caught on a camera. Im poor and have like 8 cameras but dont use them all because batteries got so expensive this season
8 miles he ran thru 30 some properties but from diff points of season but distance doesn’t mean shit proof of them killin it on prop next to da is only thing that will get him he could have moved the deer over there dressed eem up and done otherwise maybe he legit killed the deer on sisters he had written permission from his sister I just saw him write himself on this post so maybe he killed it there and its legit or maybe he killed it adjacent to da and moved it gotta prove that for to prosecute he did live in the town next to where the deer is all over the cameras and he didn’t have any pics on his sisters is even funnier lol
It takes more skill to sneak into someone's property kill a monster buck track it drag it out and never be seen or heard or get caught on a trail camera than it does stumble onto a property u have never hunted and shoot a giant! No matter what this kid killed the buck stop being jealous all u haters!
They need to ping his friends phone to see where he was at since cj forgot his phone. I'm sure the friend went with him on the recovery. The odds of them both forgetting phones is rare
If he poached that deer and had to drag it without being field dressed unless he’s hopped up on meth or something that deer is not making it out of that area if it’s populated. Adrenaline fueled or not dead weight probably almost 300lbs with the rack that big nope. By no means does CJ look like he trains and I’m not taking a shot at him. If he’s lying there are way to many people involved for him not to get hemmed up. It’s possible That DA is prolly butt hurt he didn’t get to kill the buck and he’s having a hard time dealing with it like a man. Congrats if he harvested it legally and what a pos scumbag if he poached it.
Love you guys and the podcast, this episode reminds of a Saturday Night skit called “Coffee talk”. Best comment gets the Hoyt, I will send you my address. Stay Safe, Shoot Straight, and enjoy the outdoors!
Awesome episode love the insight on all angles, I read the article about the North Carolina /West Virginia guy great point innocent till proven guilty.
When you guys get into his mind and talk through how you would of done it, what’s to assume it was with a legal weapon and during legal hours? If CJ was going to illegally trespass, I would argue that he wouldn’t care about breaking any other laws either. Just my two cents. Enjoyed the podcast
So when people hear poaching, immediately they think rifle and spotlight. We went into it assuming that since the DNR only released hunting without written permission, the other common poaching tactics had been eliminated from discussion. Maybe that’s wrong but it is how we approached it
@@HUNTRPODThat’s a good point. My take on the hunting without written permission was that it was the only way to start a case. The hunting without permission would be certain to have happened if he poached it, and the other stuff such as weapon and time of day would come out further along in the process of the case.
CJ has confessed to the ODNR according to Mike Rex, who is Chairman of The Ohio Wildlife Council. We spoke to him and his sons and they said that CJ admitted to the ODNR that he poached the buck. He did not have permission to hunt the property on which the deer was harvested and after the deer was killed, he brought it to his sisters property. It's not a matter of opinion at this point, the deer was harvested illegally. I don't think that this will come as a surprise too many people, especially if you listened to the original podcast with him. There are a lot of holes in his story and he shows a lot of signs of a pathological liar.
Totally agree 💯 and if that’s true then they need to state the facts on this podcast but I get it they r journalists they need story but that would be the best story imo if they put out what u said above here…. I agree with your findings my discernment tells me was BS from jump. Mike Rex the ole boy who is steeped in Ohio gotcha /. Thx
Not true at all first off common sense tells everyone the position Mike held he wouldn’t talk about an open investigation especially information and details about the case and if he did you can definitely get in trouble for that there’s a reason investigations don’t have information put out before trial because the chance for tampering with evidence and the defense could prove that lol and this is CJ and trust me my attorney sees all these the fact of the matter is that’s not true 😂 good click bait to read though if I admitted to it let’s see the written statement or recording 🧐 🧐
That might make sense if CJ wasn’t on this very thread defending himself in all the comments. Pretty sure if he already admitted it to the DNR he wouldn’t be wasting his time commenting to all the hate a naysayers.
How far was the sheds found from the DA’s property I know you said it was 15 to 20 from his sisters but what about where the pictures of the buck was at
So define poaching, is it shooting the deer out of season with out a valid tag. Or is it shooting a deer in season with a valid tag,but on property you don’t have permission on?? I’m still confused why it’s claimed as poached when he shot it in season with a valid tag on his “family’s property”
Question how many deer have you dressed out ? Now how many knives have you left with the gut pile ? Now if you killed one illegally why on earth would leave evidence that no hunter ever leaves behind ?
The deer is already tainted, even with full exoneration this kid will always be an outlaw in people's eyes. An apology after the accusations will not fix anything unless he sues.
He should be charged to Fullest extent of the law if he is guilty he just ruined, an otherwise cherished moment for a person doing it the right way! Police are allowed to lie to suspects it’s the foundation of police work ,undercover work, interviewing and interrogation etc.. That kid’s dad was a cop that kid knows not to say anything, even if he was caught red-handed . I was suspicious from day one with his story sounded shady, not out of the realm of possibility, but pretty insane. LEO
Killed my buck western Ohio. 3.5-4.0 miles as the crow flies from the summer photos I had of him. Obviously little different but they do travel.. especially during the rut obviously. Crazy story. Think we can all agree we want this story to be a true kill every way possible but the truth always comes forward. God bless!
Didn't burrow just buy that property around the time the deer was shot or shortly before. I remember my dad talking about seeing it on the news in Cincinnati
Found a steak knife right by my stand a few years ago. I was speechless. Private posted land. People don’t care right across the road from 500+acres of old mine land that then backs up to a national forest. People don’t care anymore
We found a deer laying dead when setting up stands called the game warden The game warden was meeting us out there the next day he cut the antlers off and said the deer was sick on the neighbors property a week ago and claimed we got it from over there but we didn’t. the deer was big and clearly died crawled up and there was no drag makes. Yeah like the deer can’t walk 400 yards. We had thousands of acres of land to hunt why would we be on the neighbors property. Makes it hard to trust them after that.
I've got a real easy way for CJ to clear the air. I will sponsor a 3rd party polygraph examination on your podcast. He comes in, you guys can pre-determine the questions and the 3rd party administering the test can ask them. Results can be announced right then and there.
Didn’t CJ say in the podcast that he showed the DNR officer the gut pile on his family’s property where he says he shot the deer ? He said he showed the tree he was in, the spot he shot it which he said there wasn’t any blood still there because it had rained before dnr officer was there..
This trespassing vs poaching conversation is the most frustrating thing I’ve ever listened to. DUDE. If you go on someone else’s property without permission that is trespassing. Offense number 1. If you harvest a deer illegally, that is poaching. Offense number 2. Any illegal method. Doesn’t matter what - whether that’s out of season, wrong weapon, hunting on a piece without permission. It’s all poaching. This guys logic is like saying I can’t get charged with murder if I’m trespassing first, it’s just trespassing. Wow 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Hey the next time u talk to CJ, ask him where he shot the buck from last season that’s on his wall. Then ask him how he was able to hunt last seasons buck, when this season is the first time he has purchased a deer tag and hunting license. The dude had a corn pile on that property where he was trespassing and poaching, and he not only left behind a knife, he also left empty ice bags behind. The dude was an idiot from the get go, and this wasn’t the first buck he took off that property in town. Every one that grew up here knows the big bucks that are in town. The cemetery and the fairgrounds, and landfill, and the Roberts property have always held huge bucks. But let’s believe CJ that he harvested that giant on his sisters 8 acre “yard”. And he told u guys on the podcast that his sisters property was 30 acres. That’s the first lie I caught that I heard him say. I’m a local guy to the area and u can take this as rumors, or believe it. But yeah ask him about that deer that’s mounted on his wall.
Yes dudes a goon. We got a guy like Him here in SC has been caught several times running a dog and poaching trespassing you name it. No license no tags no reason to be hunting. Finally got caught posting pics of his kills on social media like a moron. These guys need to be stripped of any hunting rights forever. Not that that'll stop them.
Crazy reading this after seeing the indictment charges that he allegedly poached that other buck on the same property where he killed the 240". CJ is cooked, the state for sure has evidence against him. His relative who supposedly gave him permission has folded and said she gave him permission on that property after he killed that buck.
And don't discount the bad shot. If he shot it 10 miles away and moved it, he would have had to first find it from a bad hit. That in itself would put him all over the property he killed it on. To not get caught tracking a wounded buck on a property you are trespassing on? Unlikely.
The warden never saw the buck whole. He was there days later. CJ only said there was still some blood where he gutted the deer when he show warden. No way to tell what killed it or where the shot was. It was skull capped and probably ground meat by the.
That deer could have very well traveled during the rut and these "officials" are pissed and want the rack so they are railroading him little towns and counties are crooked like that
I have heard of bucks traveling 25miles during the rut not in 1 night but it doesnt look like they have recent pics of the deer just older way before he killd it and it was rut when he killed it but who knows i dont trust these officials especially them being the ones hunti g the deer also sounds fishy
If this buck was killed where they are saying, I actually work very close to this location. There is a walking trail that goes by the landfill and I walk this trail frequently on my lunch breaks. The deer around there are very tame and are not afraid of humans. You can get very close to them. I could definitely see this buck getting shot in this suburban area. Also, if you read his story on Outdoor Life, he said he made a bad shot and the buck went off a little ways, but actually came back by and he couldn't get another shot, because he couldn't get his crossbow cocked. What he told you guys was, he made a bad shot on the buck and the buck walked off out of sight. Two different stories right there. His sister's property is only 8 acres and not 30 acres, you can find this information easily on properties. Alot of red flag on this story.
@@chrispeterson1247 I have to agree. The guys saying it's just the DA mad aren't seeing what I'm seeing. I try not to judge anyone for anything or make assumptions but this guy smells of bullshit
Just the way he was talking sounded shady. Lots of unnecessary details, story getting derailed and side tracked and going in different directions. It's intentional deception
So as a former Detective I will say you are definitely on to something. We always had a saying, if one part of what you tell me is untrue, then the whole thing is a lie by virtue. Not that none of it happened, but nothing true has any part of a lie in it. Something even that seemingly insignificant is a crucial part of a story that he was very detailed about. You never have to try to remember what you told someone when you tell the whole truth. Lies, especially detailed lies are hard to keep track of and remember. I was hoping it was true, but actual evidence and his own story is taking this case in a bad direction for him.
@@HUNTRPOD have you ever shot a buck and took pictures 24 hrs later and there is no sign of rigamortus? Look at the eyes too, after 24 hrs you can tell it's not fresh. Those pics were taken within hours of the kill. Also the daytime pic the deer is stiff. Explain it
Most people have photos of a 110incher as soon as they find it. I guess they just didn't feel like taking photos of a 230inch. Probably took another nap beside the buck since he was stressed 😂😂
An this is the very reason if I would ever be lucky enough to harvest a world class record book deer, the DNR is coming to my tree and helping me track it!
Hmmmm.....why are we to assume that the DA's property was this bucks core area? If that is the case, wouldn't the DA have numerous time stamped trail cam photos of this deer? Could it be that the bucks core area was somewhere in between CJs sister's property and the DA's, making it more likely that the buck didn't have to travel the 10-12 miles. If the bucks core area was only 5-6 miles in-between the 2 properties, and the DA was hunting heavily and put unwanted pressure on the deer. It would make sense that the buck would travel toward the less pressured area , which would be toward CJ's sisters. Word getting around that the buck was seen on the DAs property along with the adjacent property of "open to hunting" park land mentioned in this video would bring even more pressure from hunters around the DA's property thus forcing the buck to travel to less pressured area " CJ's unhunted sisters small parcel"
His buddy CORY works at a farm down the road from the landfill and CORY is the one that started this whole ordeal a few years ago. He is the ring leader. And these boys have been hunting the city property illegally for a few years now. So it’s not like CJ went in there one time and killed this monster buck. Him and Cory and a couple other friends have been sneaking in there and hunting for awhile now. I know for a fact that CJ has taken 2 bucks off those city properties and another gentleman that is in their clique that hasn’t been mentioned, has also taken a buck from their. So there is a lot that will come out in the end. And CJ and all his criminal buddies need the book thrown at them for what they have been doing for the past few seasons.
The only time that you have to (prove) that you're innocent is when you have been arrested.. Until then here in America, you're innocent until proven guilty.
He’s the DA he’s gonna push it until the end. People get butt hurt over deer worse than anything. Jealously is pushing this case and will until the end. Where are the game camera pictures of the deer? There’s one ☝️ like y’all said in October you telling me he couldn’t have traveled how ever far. I’m with the hunter the state doesn’t want him to have it. They are against the hunters always have been always will be.
I had a kid poach a deer I had been hunting in TN a few years ago. He was convicted and the state kept the deer. Additionally, if the state does keep the deer I bet it ends up hanging on the wall in the DA's office.
it's nuts, these days, how people think normal things are 'strange', 'weird', 'unbelievable', etc, just because it's not something they do. i've left my phone behind before, that's not strange. hell, people are shocked when someone doesn't have any social media, these days. i have none, and many people i know have none.
This is why I video my hunts now... With how people are these days, if I were to ever get an opportunity at a big buck like that, then I would have video evidence to prove my case...
From the moment I started watching the podcast with TJ things were not adding up! As much as I hate deer drama and the dark cloud over haters in the hunting world … sorry TJ this one smelt fishy from go! I think the truth will come out. There’s way too many people involved to get away from this at this point.
Let’s all agree on something. I know for a fact, most people who shoot a giant or once in a lifetime deer on someone’s property that I have permission on or on public land will not tell the exact spot where he got it. Unless i own the land, i would lie too. That’s number one, number 2 it’s around a D.A. These guys will try and bend whatever power they have to help them or just screw someone they now hate if they can’t belive someone else shot the deer they been hunting. Another point is why would a DNR officer come and check right after? Was he pushed by the D.A to go check? Would they have done the same thing if it was a 120” deer? Or are they speculating because some people claim that deer was 10-20 miles away? Deer can travel so good luck proving that. Also hunting not too far from home, not taking your phone is very very normal. I bring mine when I hunt but never touch it unless i’m taking photos. Some people go hunting to disconnect from the digital world so that being a question mark is just nuts. Again with what information did they gather that gave the judge the green light to get warrants and the power to seize things that easily on random peoples claims of there being pictures miles away. So many question marks and knowing that how the DNR works and governments work in general. They can stack everything on their side and do and get what they want. They can lie in cases during questioning or what not, but if we lie, it’s open to jail time. Always innocent until proven guilty so i’m with the kid.
They don't "claim" the deer was 10-20miles away....there are actual pictures of it 10-12 miles away. It is not normal in todays day and age to leave your phone at home sorry I know tons of guys that hunt "close to home" or even just behind their house, and they have their phones on them. Even more so when you get dropped of and picked up by someone. As far as "would they have done the same thing if it was 120" deer" more than likely if a landowner that it was shot illegally on their property, yes probably. Also, you probably wouldn't of heard about the deer if it was 120: because the kid wouldn't be running all over promoting it. He also was hunting his sisters land and showed the DNR officer the carcass of the deer on that property. Which is also odd considering nobody brings the carcass back to the exact spot they killed the deer. Will he be found guilty...who knows but to defend the kid based on the reasoning that you allude to towards the end of your rant, that he is basically innocent because of how govt and the DNR works is laughable. He probably poached it but the "evidence" may not be strong enough to convict him. But I suppose O.J. didn't do it because govt.
I got the opinion they heard he killed a giant and wanted to see. Where I am it would be very normal for the warden to come look and say man that's a nice one!
@@wcb5890 okay so mr sherlock holmes you seem like you got insider news on this 🤣. You need to learn some proper grammar first of all. Second, he isn’t well off, probably got one car at home, so he let his wife use it to get the kids from school and move around if there was an emergency. Better than it being parked at a farm the whole time doing nothing. Third, You need to wake up lol, so many people hunt their own property or close to home without taking their phones 🤣🤣🤣. A lot of hunters go out to disconnect from reality and see it as a getaway to just relax and be at peace for a day. You don’t know nothing about where the carcass was because there has been no information on that you’re talking from your ass. And if you think the DNR wouldn’t love to have that thing hanging in their office, you’re lost. Why doesn’t the government spend this much money and efforts on bigger real life issues instead of doing it for deer? Fining people $1000 an inch? That’s way over the top and is just plain stupid. You seem like the type of boot licker for any type of officers lol. Wake up buddy we as society put an emphasis on deer antlers. Take a step back society and especially the DNR have made big deer antlers a prized possession. So would they have done it if it was a 120” deer? F No, at the end of the day it’s still a damn deer, and the antlers on a 120 v 220 is still made of bone. There’s so many giants that for a couple i’ve seen that would smash milo hansons buck, but some people just do not care and don’t want to deal with the jealously and target painting on themselves for a darn deer. Wake up buddy
On my current farm i own, i have a buck on camera and seen in person this season that was also 10 miles away a day before from a neighbor. Crazy yes, but real, also yes. Its very possible. As far as the knives, they will probably check his DNA, the deers DNA and compare it to the DNA on the DAs property is the smoking gun or not. Also the triangulation of his cell phone will come into play. Be interesting to see how it pans out, i also think you two need.to go back to your initial podcast and rewatch what he and you all said. Your video today is not correct from your own show, Just saying. Enjoyed the episode
He could of had permission from the sister and when the mother in law or whom ever heard about him potentially profiting off of something on her property she could of started causing trouble for him because she didn’t like him in the first place and we all know someone like that, jealous, bitter, wants others to lose more than they wanna win just a thought.
We were able to have a turkey poacher busted 3 years after the event because they pinged the offenders phone to the exact location we gave the game warden. Showed up at his door and busted him red handed. But, in this case, didn’t CJ “forget his phone” at home the night he shot it?
I’ve heard that the DA was NOT hunting the deer. This property was a safe haven for the buck and other deer. Lots of people knew about the buck and that it was on a property where permission to hunt was not possible to obtain. I’ve also said there were discrepancies in his story from your podcast to another one. I want the harvest to be legit, but there is a lot of smoke here!!
Didn't he show the game warden the gut pile on his sisters property? If so then the knives are not from him. I've never heard of a poacher taking the time to gut a deer.
If A of that magnitude Deer was on the DAs property, in this day and age, the DAs property and also surrounding property would be covered in trail cams. And there’s no way he wasn’t caught on camera.
Nah, because the da knows city prop he can’t run em on so that property and the landfill would not have cams its not a small area u would have to have poachers running a lotta cams man and they don’t and if did they aren’t comin forward and if they did guys wear masks too etc not good chance to get em on cam on land doesn’t have a legal slant on it like the land on backside of da with county rd backside of it
Big deer like this do not get this big by traveling 10-12 miles even chasing a doe. Probably didn’t travel 10 miles total in the last 2 years of its life. Small home core area and genetics is how he got so big. Deer was poached
I've been watching you guys since you dropped your very first episode in 2020 and am so happy to see you growing. I've gotta say making sure you drop a new episode every single week is a huge deal to alot of people!
What CJ really needs is a damned good lawyer. One who will sue the state for defamation of character if CJ is found to be telling the truth. The lawyer will get his cut, so he'll work hard to get CJ's name back in good graces.
To me it seems like the permission he got from his sister is questionable because he said the other landowner (her mother in law i believe) didnt like him and didn't want him there. In many states if one landowner says no you can't hunt there regardless of what others said. Who knows? Innocent untill proven guilty.
I think that’s exactly what this is about… if so that’s some bullshit on the game wardens and that DA. Jealousy 100% but if he’s guilty then it is what it is.
Saying that he (CJ) "Didn't have legally written permission" could also mean he shot it on the DA's property? or ANY property for that matter, not necessarily his sisters. You're telling me the only grip & grin pics are of a nighttime in the bed of a truck? ---- NOW, I also think them taking the rack is bulls987t - this is the problem with Game & Fish departments, you're considered guilty until you've proven yourself innocent. Whatever side of the fence you're on, you have to admit 2 + 2 isn't adding up to 4. And if this was done legally, it should be easy for CJ to put this to rest with kill site pics and those close friends we all would have with us to help recover such a Buck.
Look at the story of the Huff buck killed in Indiana. Huff had no history with the deer. It ended up traveling 8 miles away from other hunters that actually made a podcast about the history they had with the buck... There's so many things to say about this story.... Sad thing is just like you said its tainted. Why does it seem the Milo buck will never be broken? Thanks guys for the follow up on this... INTERESTING!!!!
The amount of money he was offered for that deer was over 6 figures. He also talked about being investigated by the Indiana DNR for lying about what really happened.
@@DavidSmith-ig6fe by that tho id say same about huff buck lol as a bowhunter they allowed crossbows that deer would likely still be alive today if not for crossguns im an old school iowa bowhunter from indiana i grew up there bowhunting and really started hunting giants here in iowa over last 10 yrs / as it is disappointing that state gov officials have no spines and allow dumbass methods of take for able bodied men irks me and I hate it can’t stand it /. It doesn’t matter how a deer is taken for record books because it’s just how it is bowhunters hate it but the decision makers who let these laws pass make it so we have no choice in the matter so until some of us man up and run for governor to change it we can bitch all we want but it won’t change so method of take is irrelevant as long as was legal take / now granted us bowhunters can make fun of em all we like but that’s theirs for us both to live with…. Imo bowhunting is the best method of take on big game animals but that’s my opinion as I am entitled to that opinion take it how ya like but if we had Bowhunters all over the Midwest only their would be records broken all the time and it’d be a whole lotta fun and deer numbers can be controlled thru doe harvests to earn a buck and also if guys want to kill big bucks they gotta manage does so ….. just irrelevant to have a gun season or crossbows but they do it some guys want a qwik fix and done the lazy way me I hunt all season kill a lotta does and know every buck in large vicinity’s and could manage the whole Midwest for best big buck hunting u ever saw if I was in charge lol….
@nyleslehnen4751 I'm an avid bowhunter as well. I think crossbows should only be allowed for those with disabilities and have a season similar to modern gun. It's just too easy to kill deer with a gun or crossbow. It takes any advantages the deer have away.
Also sounds like the rumor of a trail cam picture 20 miles away on the same night is also BS. This reeks of jealous DNR and DA shady games. 10 miles away 20+ days before the rut means nothing.
He didn’t say he left his phone on purpose. He was kinda annoyed he left it because he had nothin to do durin the day but decided to just hunt the whole day anyway. 50:57 if they find out his phone was used at all durin daylight hours that day, they’ll know his story is BS also.
PLEASE READ!!! I went to school to be a DNR, and I never ended up finishing the schooling. But an officer came to give a big presentation, and he said the DNR gets most guys to confess by bluffing the hunter with fake evidence (photo shopping pictures, ect) and fake stories against the hunter to see if his story will fall apart. So it doesn’t surprise me that the DNR says they have CJ’s knives to try bluff him into a confession. The officer that gave the presentation to my class, pretty much told everyone how to get away with poaching. I also think the DA is abusing his position, and probably has buddies that are DNR that are on his side. So to me it’s all corrupt.
Don’t know y u r pretty much calling him a poacher before he is found guilty give me a break. If it was me I’d be pissed at u two guys for talking this long about it
I would have never taken them to a property ! If they think I commited a crime then find the evidence and prosecute me ! If you can’t find where it was shot then they have no case !
I want to say first off I love the content but with that being said yall really need an intern to fact check you guys y’all are just speculating and guessing on half the stuff y’all are talking about literally maybe more than that y’all know none of the laws y’all know none of the fines y’all don’t even know how long you have to check the deer in after you harvest it. Just would make for better content if you had someone at least googling this stuff while you are talking or have an expert on that can tell you the answers
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The simple fact of the DA involvement in this automatically raises red flags all over the place for me. This DA knows there is an opportunity to make money off this animal. Glad to here you guys following up on this after the initial podcast with CJ. Keep up the conversations!
How is the DA making money though? Just wondering? Does the 30k go to his paycheck?
I just think he’s pissed the buck doesn’t stay in his land. It’s not impossible that the buck lived on the sisters land that nobody ever hunted
@@chrispeterson1247 the clown would be the guy that doesn't know shit about what really happened, but knows this kid poached the deer....what a tool!
@@chrispeterson1247 not impossible
@scale_nerd356 not impossible, but also not likely.
I had something very similar happen to me. I killed a 181 17 point with 4 drop times posted it to Facebook next day DNR was at my house. Even showing them everything they still tried to paint the picture that I poached it. Eventually they realized I was telling the truth but that deer is the reason I don’t have Facebook anymore. Haters hate.
Wow that is crazy man
@HUNTRPOD same shit happened to me. Killed a 164 that I had never seen before. Only thing that saved me is I literally killed him in front of a trail camera that was in the act of taking a video. Had to show the wardens the video and the camera itself to get them to not arrest me. Dude claimed I Killed it on his property. He had pics of it 9 miles away 22 hours before I shot him. No evidence at all except for the trail cam pic. It's also why I don't post my deer on social media and the dudes that started following me around to see where I was hunting.
@@thatguyfishingben4794this is the bullshit I’m talking about. This should never be allowed to hold up on court. Especially the evidence we have now of how far deer travel. A buck in Missouri that was radio collared was documented to travel over 180 miles across the state. These dnr claims should not ever be admissible in court.
Drop tiNes. lol
EXACT SAME STORY!!!!!
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I have tried to do suburban hunting near my house and been shut down and chased off by township officials and municipal employees that try and keep all those deer for themselves. The fact that it's a D.A and it backs up to land that belongs to the borough... I'll give the kid the benefit of the doubt.
Nailed it. I think this is just accusations being taken too serious
If there is a local DA or public official pushing the “investigation” that’s also connected to the deer it definitely loses credibility as it would appear to be malicious prosecution. I need to see a trail cam picture within a few hours that’s 10 miles away or DNA matchable blood/guts on another property or something concrete. Mere circumstantial evidence isn’t going to cut it for me personally.
This always happens when a big deer is killed. I'm not saying he didn't do anything illegal. But he's innocent till proven guilty. Way to many deer have been confiscated and had to be given back because of wild false acusation bull crap. Many a men have done far worse in pursuit of smaller deer. Least not we forget the sins that have been conducted and the stones thrown falsely.
Yeah fuck the DA he won’t ever going to kill that buck even if it was on his property which I doubt it was not in November. In the middle of peak rut that giant buck was at his sisters
Sounds like someone's pulling strings because there mad
This is why i don't show people my deer. Social media has ruined hunting. Just keep your bucks to yourself. If you kill a record book buck congradulations to yourself. You know you did it. You will gain nothing by showing people. The only thing you w gain is negativity. Sad But true. Just keep it to yourself.
Your Ego is not your Amigo.
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😂killers don't brag!
@@chrispeterson1247 the real deer killers do not brag and show off. I promise you.
@@sack_em_up that's right
@@chrispeterson1247 yea im oldschool. I don't understand allot of this stuff. But I'll tell you this. How stupid can one be. Poach deer and brag.im. An oldschool guy. I love hunting. And i have been doing it for a very long time. But i keep my deer to myself and family. They mean to much to me to go flauntin around. I respect the animal to much for that.
I've been dying to know what your guys's thoughts are on that I'm super excited to see this video. Especially you guys being the first ones to give him a voice
Same. This podcast might get more views than the first one!
When I saw the 1st podcast of this deer,I had a very bad feeling about it, time will tell...
When C.J. Hunted his sister’s property, it was overgrown with weeds and vegetation and the property had been for sale and unoccupied for while … that buck has probably been using that property by the ponds where it was a safe haven and he could feed and breed without hunting pressure… research proves on collared bucks that mature bucks can travel 15+ miles to breed during the rut ! I believe this guy just got lucky and hunted a spot no one would expect a buck of that caliber to be which is usually the case , bucks will seek weird places to seek safety from hunters and to breed doe’s ! I’ve hunted a buck in my hometown and ended up killing him on my friends farm in another town over atleast 15 miles away !
I also killed the biggest deer by youth in North Carolina in 1993 at 13 years old & scored 146 5/8 & I was in news papers and center of attention at North Carolina DIXIE DEER CLASSIC & I killed that buck with 2 older cousins just walking a property and I went one way they went other until the buck stepped out into my path and I shot it twice with browning pump shotgun with broken arm and had switch hands to pump shotgun and I only hit deer with2 buckshot one in nose and one in heart and I was lucky and after everything was said and done rumors of me killing at night with spot light surfaced and my dad killed it actually and so on and so forth !people hate to see someone else shine and they try to dissect and take your glory !
I found it interesting that you said research on collared bucks shows they will travel up to 15 miles during rut, and you shot one 15 miles away from where you usually see him. 😂
So I looked it up, I didn’t find this to be the case. Both MSU and Penn State 10+ year studies did not have bucks going 15+ miles during rut. They showed the longest a buck will travel is early in its life when it gets kicked from the doe group, that if they survive they MAY travel up to 10 miles to find a new home range. Some bucks were traveling up to 7-10 miles during rut. But most were traveling 3-5 miles away from their home range, which conveys what my friends and family and I see.
Not saying it’s not true, your story. But I found it interesting.
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I'm with CJ Prove it. And as somebody who has a real disdain Authority figures. I hope got that buck legally that DA wanted.
That’s what it comes down to, prove it
DNR said “OK, hold my beer.”
You know as well as i, if you and your friend recover a world class buck in the daytime let alone any decent buck, their is NO way you are not going to take pics where the deer fell and no way cj again forgot his phone and his friend didnt have a phone. Impossible in this day in age
Agree 💯
Not everyone has to have a cell phone every second of everyday.
@graveytrain1301 your right but it is rare is all I'm saying especially If you shoot a deer of that caliber, your going to get in the field pics
@@craigwagner327 i agree. My ass woulda had pics posted everywhere 5 min after I found him. Lol. There are a lot of things off about this whole thing but the fact that the DA was hunting him and is now the one going after the dude that killed the buck just doesn't sit well with me
@graveytrain1301 yeah, he is doomed from the start
Maybe when taking a buck of this size, the proper thing to do would be to include the game warden in the celebration and documentation. Any good game warden would love to be a part of the story and being witness to the recovery of such a world class animal.
Not a bad idea at all
Dan Coffman did that w/ his buck, the game warden was reluctant to come out, said something along the lines of, 'yeah everyone's got the next world record patterned.'
Good idea whoo tee whoo. Love your videos as well buddy keep up the good work
The burden of proof is on the state. Circumstantial evidence is not proof and we are all considered innocent until proven guilty. There is no way to prove that deer didn’t travel 10 miles, even overnight, during the rut. I would give him the benefit of the doubt until absolute rock solid proof of his guilt is found.
I agree that most of the evidence is circumstantial and he is innocent until proven guilty. Having said that, the “circumstantial” evidence is so strong, it just screams what really happened. He didn’t own a weapon or climber and lived within eyesight of the property area that he was frequently seen ( landfill and DA property area). Anyone that is a true hunter, sees this for what it is. He lived where it was likely sighted many times and did not even own a weapon or climber or the basics of what any, even fledgling, new hunters or aspiring bow hunters would definitely own. Anyone that has ever been a bow hunter ( especially a bow Hunter) sees this picture and the “circumstantial “ evidence differently than someone that has not hunted or been a committed hunter ( like bow hunters typically are). Those bow hunters out there know exactly what I am saying
@@chrishybart3269 I wasn’t aware of any evidence of him living in the area. If that is true it certainly doesn’t look good for him. I based my statement on the limited information provided on the podcast. You obviously have another source of information. If you don’t mind, I would love to know where all of this new information is coming from. Are you a local?
my buddy found a squatter on his property, he had made a road and set up camp on the back forty, would of never found out had it not been for tracking deer, police were called out and found grow opp, shoot out ensued both died... crazy
Whoa that’s insane. I’ve come across shady shit on places I thought I knew every inch
Did you ask him why he lied about the size of his sister’s property? I’m saying best case scenario he did shoot it on that small ONLY 8 ACRE PROPERTY!!! Then it ran to another property and he recovered it without permission- BEST CASE SCENARIO. But still WHY DID HE LIE ABOUT THE PROPERTY???? I just can’t let that go.
Yeah, that made no sense, especially when you give the location and names of property owner, like people are curious and are gonna check it out, it’s 9.1 acres on my app, I measured using google earth from corner of the property where he said he was in a tree to the center between the two ponds and it’s 65 yards… I mean I’m cheering for the guy and hope it’s all good, but when you see little details like that, you can’t help but think… I mean shit, you would think he could still see the buck from a stand at only 65yards in a open field with only two ponds on it. Either way, he’s innocent till proved otherwise, and that’s the way it should be.
America is strange, with how obsessive people are over deer. To the lengths some will go, to kill a deer, and the reactions to a big deer being killed.
It's sad, that law enforcement always views us as guilty until proven otherwise. And it's like that, up here in Canada too. CO's are not your friend. And yes, they will lie. I have seen situations where they did. And this DA would too, seeing the lengths he's going to already. They are above the law almost, their words are just taken way more seriously.
Innocent until proven guilty. If he was some rich guy with 500 ace they would of never went after him. There mad that some poor trailer park kid shot this Giant Buck.lol😂
Haha probably man
Because most trailer park kids are shady as fuck just like this dude
I said the same thing from the start 👍
Bottom line, his story didn’t add up from the beginning and it only got worse. The DNR has very very good evidence to tie him to poaching it and trespassing. So it has nothing to do with a worthless trailer trash kid. He is what he is.
His buddy CORY works at a farm down the road from the landfill and CORY is the one that started this whole ordeal a few years ago. He is the ring leader. And these boys have been hunting the city property illegally for a few years now. So it’s not like CJ went in there one time and killed this monster buck. Him and Cory and a couple other friends have been sneaking in there and hunting for awhile now. I know for a fact that CJ has taken 2 bucks off those city properties and another gentleman that is in their clique that hasn’t been mentioned, has also taken a buck from their. So there is a lot that will come out in the end. And CJ and all his criminal buddies need the book thrown at them for what they have been doing for the past few seasons.
Love your podcast, been waiting on this one. Can't wait to hear your take about this.
You always give people the benefit of the doubt until the doubts out way the benefits of truthfulness
Let the DNR handle the investigation but continue to update us on anything new in the case.
A lot of folks here in Ohio ask for permission to hunt private ground and are granted that permission by the land owner, however Ohio law requires written permission.
Update on the indictment and pending trial?
Written permission? As landowner myself, as long as the guys asks me, and is granted permission, eliminate the paperwork, reminds me of the government too much.
This is why I don’t participate in social media. and I never have and never will let anyone score any of the bucks I shoot. The hunting industry is a joke, anyone involved in it is a joke. Just doing it for money and recognition.
Innocent until proven guilty, I’m hoping it’s legit.
Agree
I was chasing a world class all fall and planned to call the dnr the second I let an arrow fly and video my entire recovery just for this reason, it’s sad what jealousy of big bucks bring out of people
Innocent until PROVEN guilty. And by the way, a confession could just be admitting to shooting the buck. Not necessarily illegally shooting the buck. But prosecution will still call it a confession.
Yep makes sense
Confession usually means a different story than you previously told.
@chrispeterson1247 as hell, and they know it too.
Most of those oil companies properties aren't gated and don't have overnight security.
They literally probably just drove in late after midnight when every one was in the bed, loaded it, and drove out.
It may be a crime to hunt on land without permission but I wonder if the oil company would have to push it to be charged with any crime.
Hopefully we get some updates soon. Aside from the absolutely odd details of the hunt, I really struggle with the story after looking on ONX at where CJ claims he killed the buck. It’s about 8 acres with maybe 2 acres huntable. The story is tough when you consider everything with the hunt, and recovery happened within maybe a 100X150yd area. I think any hunter looking at that property would struggle with the story. I mean from about where he says he was sitting to the middle of those ponds is 50yds roughly. He didn’t hear it or see it go down?
I think the worst part of this whole situation is the personal attacks on CJ And his family on social media. There’s one person that knows what exactly happened is CJ. Guilty or not for all this mob mentality before anything has been confirmed is just sad and also gives the hunting community a black eye. Just my opinion.
Its pretty hard to maneuver through anyone's woods that hunts without being caught on a trail cam let alone the property of a DA that has seen a 240 inch deer on his property and hunts. Dude is probably running 10 tactacams noway you could go in blindly and track a deer without being caught on a camera. Im poor and have like 8 cameras but dont use them all because batteries got so expensive this season
Depends if it was 10 yards off the road. Most people who will poach a deer don’t really care until they get caught
Not that difficult to do.
The Indiana record buck was 20 some miles away right?
Huff buck? Not sure
8 miles i believe
9 miles 37 properties between where it was killed and where other guys had him on camera.
8 miles he ran thru 30 some properties but from diff points of season but distance doesn’t mean shit proof of them killin it on prop next to da is only thing that will get him he could have moved the deer over there dressed eem up and done otherwise maybe he legit killed the deer on sisters he had written permission from his sister I just saw him write himself on this post so maybe he killed it there and its legit or maybe he killed it adjacent to da and moved it gotta prove that for to prosecute he did live in the town next to where the deer is all over the cameras and he didn’t have any pics on his sisters is even funnier lol
It takes more skill to sneak into someone's property kill a monster buck track it drag it out and never be seen or heard or get caught on a trail camera than it does stumble onto a property u have never hunted and shoot a giant! No matter what this kid killed the buck stop being jealous all u haters!
HIS SISTERS PROPERTY IS 8 ACRES, NOT 30 ACRES. Do some research and quit telling CJ’s lie for him!!
About time for more news!
Says the hearing isn’t until 4/1/24
They need to ping his friends phone to see where he was at since cj forgot his phone. I'm sure the friend went with him on the recovery. The odds of them both forgetting phones is rare
Agree
If he poached that deer and had to drag it without being field dressed unless he’s hopped up on meth or something that deer is not making it out of that area if it’s populated. Adrenaline fueled or not dead weight probably almost 300lbs with the rack that big nope. By no means does CJ look like he trains and I’m not taking a shot at him. If he’s lying there are way to many people involved for him not to get hemmed up. It’s possible That DA is prolly butt hurt he didn’t get to kill the buck and he’s having a hard time dealing with it like a man. Congrats if he harvested it legally and what a pos scumbag if he poached it.
100% correct on too many people for him to not be sacked already if guilty
Not takin a shot either but with him talkin about his past, meth doesn’t seem too far off.
Love you guys and the podcast, this episode reminds of a Saturday Night skit called “Coffee talk”. Best comment gets the Hoyt, I will send you my address. Stay Safe, Shoot Straight, and enjoy the outdoors!
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Awesome episode love the insight on all angles, I read the article about the North Carolina /West Virginia guy great point innocent till proven guilty.
When you guys get into his mind and talk through how you would of done it, what’s to assume it was with a legal weapon and during legal hours? If CJ was going to illegally trespass, I would argue that he wouldn’t care about breaking any other laws either. Just my two cents. Enjoyed the podcast
So when people hear poaching, immediately they think rifle and spotlight. We went into it assuming that since the DNR only released hunting without written permission, the other common poaching tactics had been eliminated from discussion. Maybe that’s wrong but it is how we approached it
@@HUNTRPODThat’s a good point. My take on the hunting without written permission was that it was the only way to start a case. The hunting without permission would be certain to have happened if he poached it, and the other stuff such as weapon and time of day would come out further along in the process of the case.
A buck showed up on my trail camera 9 miles away from my friends spot during the rut, his wife shot it when it returned back to his spot.
CJ has confessed to the ODNR according to Mike Rex, who is Chairman of The Ohio Wildlife Council. We spoke to him and his sons and they said that CJ admitted to the ODNR that he poached the buck. He did not have permission to hunt the property on which the deer was harvested and after the deer was killed, he brought it to his sisters property. It's not a matter of opinion at this point, the deer was harvested illegally. I don't think that this will come as a surprise too many people, especially if you listened to the original podcast with him. There are a lot of holes in his story and he shows a lot of signs of a pathological liar.
Totally agree 💯 and if that’s true then they need to state the facts on this podcast but I get it they r journalists they need story but that would be the best story imo if they put out what u said above here…. I agree with your findings my discernment tells me was BS from jump. Mike Rex the ole boy who is steeped in Ohio gotcha /. Thx
Not true at all first off common sense tells everyone the position Mike held he wouldn’t talk about an open investigation especially information and details about the case and if he did you can definitely get in trouble for that there’s a reason investigations don’t have information put out before trial because the chance for tampering with evidence and the defense could prove that lol and this is CJ and trust me my attorney sees all these the fact of the matter is that’s not true 😂 good click bait to read though if I admitted to it let’s see the written statement or recording 🧐 🧐
That might make sense if CJ wasn’t on this very thread defending himself in all the comments. Pretty sure if he already admitted it to the DNR he wouldn’t be wasting his time commenting to all the hate a naysayers.
I saw him too.
His dad was an investigator for the county for 25 years he probably Heard about the buck from the DA and told his son CJ.
You’re so asinine it’s unreal 😂😂 my dad don’t talk to any of them fucks lol and it’s not even the DA it’s his brothers
Does he still get the New Hoyt or is that on hold now?
They made a new hoyt series for CJ it's called the poachers special..It comes with a spotlight stabilizer and a red dot sight. BLACKOUT model to.
How far was the sheds found from the DA’s property I know you said it was 15 to 20 from his sisters but what about where the pictures of the buck was at
So define poaching, is it shooting the deer out of season with out a valid tag. Or is it shooting a deer in season with a valid tag,but on property you don’t have permission on?? I’m still confused why it’s claimed as poached when he shot it in season with a valid tag on his “family’s property”
You guys should come to the NWTF convention in Nashville Feb 15-18. Anybody who’s Somebody will be there.
Probably will be there
In his Instagram pictures, blood is on there hands at night.
Did he ever say when he gutted it?
Question how many deer have you dressed out ? Now how many knives have you left with the gut pile ? Now if you killed one illegally why on earth would leave evidence that no hunter ever leaves behind ?
The deer is already tainted, even with full exoneration this kid will always be an outlaw in people's eyes. An apology after the accusations will not fix anything unless he sues.
Can’t fix damage that has already been done and money don’t motivate me pr change the damage
He should be charged to Fullest extent of the law if he is guilty he just ruined, an otherwise cherished moment for a person doing it the right way!
Police are allowed to lie to suspects it’s the foundation of police work ,undercover work, interviewing and interrogation etc..
That kid’s dad was a cop that kid knows not to say anything, even if he was caught red-handed .
I was suspicious from day one with his story sounded shady, not out of the realm of possibility, but pretty insane.
LEO
Killed my buck western Ohio. 3.5-4.0 miles as the crow flies from the summer photos I had of him. Obviously little different but they do travel.. especially during the rut obviously. Crazy story. Think we can all agree we want this story to be a true kill every way possible but the truth always comes forward. God bless!
Travel yes but did the buck have a Uber for 20 miles? Lol. 3-4 miles as you said a lot different lol
Didn't burrow just buy that property around the time the deer was shot or shortly before. I remember my dad talking about seeing it on the news in Cincinnati
Found a steak knife right by my stand a few years ago. I was speechless. Private posted land. People don’t care right across the road from 500+acres of old mine land that then backs up to a national forest. People don’t care anymore
Been waiting for this lol
A lot of opinion and speculation but needed an update
were can we find the deer shed pics of the CJ buck from previous years? great podcast
Most of the time...When hunters leave theor phone and have folks drop and pick them up they are hunting somewhere they aint suppose to be😂
Why did he put it back in his truck after hanging it in order to take pictures? I’ve killed many deer and have never done that.
Jared.. what flannel jacket is that and where can I get it?
We found a deer laying dead when setting up stands called the game warden The game warden was meeting us out there the next day he cut the antlers off and said the deer was sick on the neighbors property a week ago and claimed we got it from over there but we didn’t. the deer was big and clearly died crawled up and there was no drag makes. Yeah like the deer can’t walk 400 yards. We had thousands of acres of land to hunt why would we be on the neighbors property. Makes it hard to trust them after that.
I've got a real easy way for CJ to clear the air. I will sponsor a 3rd party polygraph examination on your podcast. He comes in, you guys can pre-determine the questions and the 3rd party administering the test can ask them. Results can be announced right then and there.
Polygraph test 😂
It’s 2024 bro
@@Midland_Mike What’s your point ?
Didn’t CJ say in the podcast that he showed the DNR officer the gut pile on his family’s property where he says he shot the deer ? He said he showed the tree he was in, the spot he shot it which he said there wasn’t any blood still there because it had rained before dnr officer was there..
This trespassing vs poaching conversation is the most frustrating thing I’ve ever listened to. DUDE. If you go on someone else’s property without permission that is trespassing. Offense number 1. If you harvest a deer illegally, that is poaching. Offense number 2. Any illegal method. Doesn’t matter what - whether that’s out of season, wrong weapon, hunting on a piece without permission. It’s all poaching. This guys logic is like saying I can’t get charged with murder if I’m trespassing first, it’s just trespassing. Wow 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
I can't say whether he's guilty or not. It does seem that when a buck of great interest is killed, an investigation follows.
Agree like the norm
Especially when his story is so outrageous...
What a shocker. The kid who seems full of sht, tells a story thats filled w sht, repeatedly. Got indicted. Never saw it coming. Just shocked.
On law enforcement they call it a clue.
Forgot hus cell phone...yeah, he burnt it up on the first podcast
Hey the next time u talk to CJ, ask him where he shot the buck from last season that’s on his wall. Then ask him how he was able to hunt last seasons buck, when this season is the first time he has purchased a deer tag and hunting license. The dude had a corn pile on that property where he was trespassing and poaching, and he not only left behind a knife, he also left empty ice bags behind. The dude was an idiot from the get go, and this wasn’t the first buck he took off that property in town. Every one that grew up here knows the big bucks that are in town. The cemetery and the fairgrounds, and landfill, and the Roberts property have always held huge bucks. But let’s believe CJ that he harvested that giant on his sisters 8 acre “yard”. And he told u guys on the podcast that his sisters property was 30 acres. That’s the first lie I caught that I heard him say. I’m a local guy to the area and u can take this as rumors, or believe it. But yeah ask him about that deer that’s mounted on his wall.
Yes dudes a goon. We got a guy like
Him here in SC has been caught several times running a dog and poaching trespassing you name it. No license no tags no reason to be hunting. Finally got caught posting pics of his kills on social media like a moron. These guys need to be stripped of any hunting rights forever. Not that that'll stop them.
Snitch!! Rumors!
How do we not know that you are just buddies with and working with the DA to keep you from getting in any trouble you get into
Agree 100% with you he's screwed the DWR has a lot on him he's an idiot
Crazy reading this after seeing the indictment charges that he allegedly poached that other buck on the same property where he killed the 240". CJ is cooked, the state for sure has evidence against him. His relative who supposedly gave him permission has folded and said she gave him permission on that property after he killed that buck.
And don't discount the bad shot. If he shot it 10 miles away and moved it, he would have had to first find it from a bad hit. That in itself would put him all over the property he killed it on. To not get caught tracking a wounded buck on a property you are trespassing on? Unlikely.
Femoral artery can put that deer down in sight. But agree. Most “poachers” if they shoot it in the ass and it runs away, they aren’t tracking it
Yall are pathetic.
He would’ve been on a cell camera if that was the case. I don’t think it was a bad shot. That’s made up to create a timeline for the move!
The warden would have known immediately if that was a lie as all he had to do was look at the deer and the hit would be obvious.
The warden never saw the buck whole. He was there days later. CJ only said there was still some blood where he gutted the deer when he show warden. No way to tell what killed it or where the shot was. It was skull capped and probably ground meat by the.
That deer could have very well traveled during the rut and these "officials" are pissed and want the rack so they are railroading him little towns and counties are crooked like that
Crazy and big bucks make people do stupid things
Especially in that area it's flat as hell. In lower ohio in meigs county its hills and bucks travel 5 to 10 miles a day in the rut.
I have heard of bucks traveling 25miles during the rut not in 1 night but it doesnt look like they have recent pics of the deer just older way before he killd it and it was rut when he killed it but who knows i dont trust these officials especially them being the ones hunti g the deer also sounds fishy
That's not happening here... his story is bogus
@@HUNTRPOD what’s really “crazy” is how many people want him to be guilty.
If this buck was killed where they are saying, I actually work very close to this location. There is a walking trail that goes by the landfill and I walk this trail frequently on my lunch breaks. The deer around there are very tame and are not afraid of humans. You can get very close to them. I could definitely see this buck getting shot in this suburban area. Also, if you read his story on Outdoor Life, he said he made a bad shot and the buck went off a little ways, but actually came back by and he couldn't get another shot, because he couldn't get his crossbow cocked. What he told you guys was, he made a bad shot on the buck and the buck walked off out of sight. Two different stories right there. His sister's property is only 8 acres and not 30 acres, you can find this information easily on properties. Alot of red flag on this story.
I agree. I think he poached it. His whole story is a red flag to me. I could be wrong maybe I am but I don't think so.
@@chrispeterson1247 I have to agree. The guys saying it's just the DA mad aren't seeing what I'm seeing. I try not to judge anyone for anything or make assumptions but this guy smells of bullshit
Just the way he was talking sounded shady. Lots of unnecessary details, story getting derailed and side tracked and going in different directions. It's intentional deception
So as a former Detective I will say you are definitely on to something. We always had a saying, if one part of what you tell me is untrue, then the whole thing is a lie by virtue. Not that none of it happened, but nothing true has any part of a lie in it. Something even that seemingly insignificant is a crucial part of a story that he was very detailed about. You never have to try to remember what you told someone when you tell the whole truth. Lies, especially detailed lies are hard to keep track of and remember. I was hoping it was true, but actual evidence and his own story is taking this case in a bad direction for him.
Every time a big deer is killed this stuff starts every single time
Agree
@@HUNTRPOD have you ever shot a buck and took pictures 24 hrs later and there is no sign of rigamortus? Look at the eyes too, after 24 hrs you can tell it's not fresh. Those pics were taken within hours of the kill. Also the daytime pic the deer is stiff. Explain it
Most people have photos of a 110incher as soon as they find it. I guess they just didn't feel like taking photos of a 230inch. Probably took another nap beside the buck since he was stressed 😂😂
An this is the very reason if I would ever be lucky enough to harvest a world class record book deer, the DNR is coming to my tree and helping me track it!
Rigor mortise starts within a few hours of death and relaxes around 24 hours. I wouldn't lean on that argument too heavy
You would remember if you bought ice 🤷♂️🤦♂️.
Hahah right?! I remember that actually being a cool night and day…but if it was warm you immediately remember buying ice
Nobody buys ice in November. Lol. It was cold enough out. Smh
@@Midland_Mike I fill every single deer with ice. Rarely gets below freezing during deer season in the South
Hmmmm.....why are we to assume that the DA's property was this bucks core area? If that is the case, wouldn't the DA have numerous time stamped trail cam photos of this deer? Could it be that the bucks core area was somewhere in between CJs sister's property and the DA's, making it more likely that the buck didn't have to travel the 10-12 miles. If the bucks core area was only 5-6 miles in-between the 2 properties, and the DA was hunting heavily and put unwanted pressure on the deer. It would make sense that the buck would travel toward the less pressured area , which would be toward CJ's sisters. Word getting around that the buck was seen on the DAs property along with the adjacent property of "open to hunting" park land mentioned in this video would bring even more pressure from hunters around the DA's property thus forcing the buck to travel to less pressured area " CJ's unhunted sisters small parcel"
His buddy CORY works at a farm down the road from the landfill and CORY is the one that started this whole ordeal a few years ago. He is the ring leader. And these boys have been hunting the city property illegally for a few years now. So it’s not like CJ went in there one time and killed this monster buck. Him and Cory and a couple other friends have been sneaking in there and hunting for awhile now. I know for a fact that CJ has taken 2 bucks off those city properties and another gentleman that is in their clique that hasn’t been mentioned, has also taken a buck from their. So there is a lot that will come out in the end. And CJ and all his criminal buddies need the book thrown at them for what they have been doing for the past few seasons.
Oooooh that’s pretty damming, look like he is 💯 a super poacher at this point
What town is this in I live in northern Ohio and we have the same situation where I live
If you are charged with a crime you are guilty. Until you prove you are innocent of the crime. If you have no money you're at the mercy of the court.
I agree!!
The only time that you have to (prove) that you're innocent is when you have been arrested.. Until then here in America, you're innocent until proven guilty.
@@Timbermonkey360 tell the justice system that lol
💯 facts
He’s the DA he’s gonna push it until the end. People get butt hurt over deer worse than anything. Jealously is pushing this case and will until the end. Where are the game camera pictures of the deer? There’s one ☝️ like y’all said in October you telling me he couldn’t have traveled how ever far. I’m with the hunter the state doesn’t want him to have it. They are against the hunters always have been always will be.
I had a kid poach a deer I had been hunting in TN a few years ago. He was convicted and the state kept the deer. Additionally, if the state does keep the deer I bet it ends up hanging on the wall in the DA's office.
it's nuts, these days, how people think normal things are 'strange', 'weird', 'unbelievable', etc, just because it's not something they do. i've left my phone behind before, that's not strange. hell, people are shocked when someone doesn't have any social media, these days. i have none, and many people i know have none.
This is why I video my hunts now... With how people are these days, if I were to ever get an opportunity at a big buck like that, then I would have video evidence to prove my case...
Great point!!!
Facts! Same here ☝🏼
From the moment I started watching the podcast with TJ things were not adding up! As much as I hate deer drama and the dark cloud over haters in the hunting world … sorry TJ this one smelt fishy from go! I think the truth will come out. There’s way too many people involved to get away from this at this point.
It's CJ, not TJ. lol
I’ve been waiting for this one the last couple weeks! Super excited to listen!
Let’s all agree on something. I know for a fact, most people who shoot a giant or once in a lifetime deer on someone’s property that I have permission on or on public land will not tell the exact spot where he got it. Unless i own the land, i would lie too. That’s number one, number 2 it’s around a D.A. These guys will try and bend whatever power they have to help them or just screw someone they now hate if they can’t belive someone else shot the deer they been hunting. Another point is why would a DNR officer come and check right after? Was he pushed by the D.A to go check? Would they have done the same thing if it was a 120” deer? Or are they speculating because some people claim that deer was 10-20 miles away? Deer can travel so good luck proving that. Also hunting not too far from home, not taking your phone is very very normal. I bring mine when I hunt but never touch it unless i’m taking photos. Some people go hunting to disconnect from the digital world so that being a question mark is just nuts. Again with what information did they gather that gave the judge the green light to get warrants and the power to seize things that easily on random peoples claims of there being pictures miles away. So many question marks and knowing that how the DNR works and governments work in general. They can stack everything on their side and do and get what they want. They can lie in cases during questioning or what not, but if we lie, it’s open to jail time. Always innocent until proven guilty so i’m with the kid.
They don't "claim" the deer was 10-20miles away....there are actual pictures of it 10-12 miles away. It is not normal in todays day and age to leave your phone at home sorry I know tons of guys that hunt "close to home" or even just behind their house, and they have their phones on them. Even more so when you get dropped of and picked up by someone.
As far as "would they have done the same thing if it was 120" deer" more than likely if a landowner that it was shot illegally on their property, yes probably. Also, you probably wouldn't of heard about the deer if it was 120: because the kid wouldn't be running all over promoting it. He also was hunting his sisters land and showed the DNR officer the carcass of the deer on that property. Which is also odd considering nobody brings the carcass back to the exact spot they killed the deer.
Will he be found guilty...who knows but to defend the kid based on the reasoning that you allude to towards the end of your rant, that he is basically innocent because of how govt and the DNR works is laughable. He probably poached it but the "evidence" may not be strong enough to convict him. But I suppose O.J. didn't do it because govt.
I got the opinion they heard he killed a giant and wanted to see. Where I am it would be very normal for the warden to come look and say man that's a nice one!
@@wcb5890he killed the deer legally get over it
@@wcb5890 okay so mr sherlock holmes you seem like you got insider news on this 🤣. You need to learn some proper grammar first of all. Second, he isn’t well off, probably got one car at home, so he let his wife use it to get the kids from school and move around if there was an emergency. Better than it being parked at a farm the whole time doing nothing. Third, You need to wake up lol, so many people hunt their own property or close to home without taking their phones 🤣🤣🤣. A lot of hunters go out to disconnect from reality and see it as a getaway to just relax and be at peace for a day. You don’t know nothing about where the carcass was because there has been no information on that you’re talking from your ass. And if you think the DNR wouldn’t love to have that thing hanging in their office, you’re lost. Why doesn’t the government spend this much money and efforts on bigger real life issues instead of doing it for deer? Fining people $1000 an inch? That’s way over the top and is just plain stupid. You seem like the type of boot licker for any type of officers lol. Wake up buddy we as society put an emphasis on deer antlers. Take a step back society and especially the DNR have made big deer antlers a prized possession. So would they have done it if it was a 120” deer? F No, at the end of the day it’s still a damn deer, and the antlers on a 120 v 220 is still made of bone. There’s so many giants that for a couple i’ve seen that would smash milo hansons buck, but some people just do not care and don’t want to deal with the jealously and target painting on themselves for a darn deer. Wake up buddy
@@Florida239. He doesn’t have the deer because they can prove he lied and have his accomplices phone records.
On my current farm i own, i have a buck on camera and seen in person this season that was also 10 miles away a day before from a neighbor. Crazy yes, but real, also yes. Its very possible. As far as the knives, they will probably check his DNA, the deers DNA and compare it to the DNA on the DAs property is the smoking gun or not. Also the triangulation of his cell phone will come into play. Be interesting to see how it pans out, i also think you two need.to go back to your initial podcast and rewatch what he and you all said. Your video today is not correct from your own show, Just saying. Enjoyed the episode
That’s not true 😂😂😂😂😂
He could of had permission from the sister and when the mother in law or whom ever heard about him potentially profiting off of something on her property she could of started causing trouble for him because she didn’t like him in the first place and we all know someone like that, jealous, bitter, wants others to lose more than they wanna win just a thought.
That was my thought and also a comment he made for me thinking somebody didn’t want him there ..
The fact that this DA is involved in this whole thing makes me believe CJ right away. Really really hope someone keeps this DA from abusing his power.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
We were able to have a turkey poacher busted 3 years after the event because they pinged the offenders phone to the exact location we gave the game warden. Showed up at his door and busted him red handed. But, in this case, didn’t CJ “forget his phone” at home the night he shot it?
No ,he just didn’t have service that hunt
he said he left it at home. never said he didnt have service@@scottellis8964
I’ve heard that the DA was NOT hunting the deer. This property was a safe haven for the buck and other deer. Lots of people knew about the buck and that it was on a property where permission to hunt was not possible to obtain. I’ve also said there were discrepancies in his story from your podcast to another one. I want the harvest to be legit, but there is a lot of smoke here!!
Was there high fence around this "safe haven" to keep the deer there?
@@graveytrain1301no
Didn't he show the game warden the gut pile on his sisters property? If so then the knives are not from him. I've never heard of a poacher taking the time to gut a deer.
A gut pile doesn't determine where a deer is killed does it?
Poachers don’t normally kill state record ! When they do you have to have a alibi that comes with the fame of a record book deer
@@joshscott3184absolutely not
The kill site was staged IMO
@@melvinavis8070 agreed
If A of that magnitude Deer was on the DAs property, in this day and age, the DAs property and also surrounding property would be covered in trail cams. And there’s no way he wasn’t caught on camera.
Nah, because the da knows city prop he can’t run em on so that property and the landfill would not have cams its not a small area u would have to have poachers running a lotta cams man and they don’t and if did they aren’t comin forward and if they did guys wear masks too etc not good chance to get em on cam on land doesn’t have a legal slant on it like the land on backside of da with county rd backside of it
Big deer like this do not get this big by traveling 10-12 miles even chasing a doe. Probably didn’t travel 10 miles total in the last 2 years of its life. Small home core area and genetics is how he got so big. Deer was poached
I've been watching you guys since you dropped your very first episode in 2020 and am so happy to see you growing. I've gotta say making sure you drop a new episode every single week is a huge deal to alot of people!
If they want you to be guilty bad enough, there will be no fair trial. Even if he isn't lying, he still needs to be scared.
What CJ really needs is a damned good lawyer. One who will sue the state for defamation of character if CJ is found to be telling the truth. The lawyer will get his cut, so he'll work hard to get CJ's name back in good graces.
@@jeffrey4869got One of the best in the state
To me it seems like the permission he got from his sister is questionable because he said the other landowner (her mother in law i believe) didnt like him and didn't want him there. In many states if one landowner says no you can't hunt there regardless of what others said. Who knows? Innocent untill proven guilty.
I think that’s exactly what this is about… if so that’s some bullshit on the game wardens and that DA. Jealousy 100% but if he’s guilty then it is what it is.
It’s not just trespassing. He will get a trespassing ticket and a ticket for illegally ( poaching ) a deer.
Saying that he (CJ) "Didn't have legally written permission" could also mean he shot it on the DA's property? or ANY property for that matter, not necessarily his sisters. You're telling me the only grip & grin pics are of a nighttime in the bed of a truck? ---- NOW, I also think them taking the rack is bulls987t - this is the problem with Game & Fish departments, you're considered guilty until you've proven yourself innocent. Whatever side of the fence you're on, you have to admit 2 + 2 isn't adding up to 4. And if this was done legally, it should be easy for CJ to put this to rest with kill site pics and those close friends we all would have with us to help recover such a Buck.
Look at the story of the Huff buck killed in Indiana. Huff had no history with the deer. It ended up traveling 8 miles away from other hunters that actually made a podcast about the history they had with the buck...
There's so many things to say about this story.... Sad thing is just like you said its tainted. Why does it seem the Milo buck will never be broken?
Thanks guys for the follow up on this... INTERESTING!!!!
If huff buck had longer brows 5s he woulda
The amount of money he was offered for that deer was over 6 figures. He also talked about being investigated by the Indiana DNR for lying about what really happened.
I don't think the Milo buck should be in the record book since he killed it on a deer drive with a rifle.
@@DavidSmith-ig6fe by that tho id say same about huff buck lol as a bowhunter they allowed crossbows that deer would likely still be alive today if not for crossguns im an old school iowa bowhunter from indiana i grew up there bowhunting and really started hunting giants here in iowa over last 10 yrs / as it is disappointing that state gov officials have no spines and allow dumbass methods of take for able bodied men irks me and I hate it can’t stand it /. It doesn’t matter how a deer is taken for record books because it’s just how it is bowhunters hate it but the decision makers who let these laws pass make it so we have no choice in the matter so until some of us man up and run for governor to change it we can bitch all we want but it won’t change so method of take is irrelevant as long as was legal take / now granted us bowhunters can make fun of em all we like but that’s theirs for us both to live with…. Imo bowhunting is the best method of take on big game animals but that’s my opinion as I am entitled to that opinion take it how ya like but if we had Bowhunters all over the Midwest only their would be records broken all the time and it’d be a whole lotta fun and deer numbers can be controlled thru doe harvests to earn a buck and also if guys want to kill big bucks they gotta manage does so ….. just irrelevant to have a gun season or crossbows but they do it some guys want a qwik fix and done the lazy way me I hunt all season kill a lotta does and know every buck in large vicinity’s and could manage the whole Midwest for best big buck hunting u ever saw if I was in charge lol….
@nyleslehnen4751 I'm an avid bowhunter as well. I think crossbows should only be allowed for those with disabilities and have a season similar to modern gun. It's just too easy to kill deer with a gun or crossbow. It takes any advantages the deer have away.
Also sounds like the rumor of a trail cam picture 20 miles away on the same night is also BS. This reeks of jealous DNR and DA shady games. 10 miles away 20+ days before the rut means nothing.
Only pic we’ve seen was a trail cam video in October
No wonder Corey won’t show his face on CJ’s 200 podcasts. Corey is like dude put it on your wall and shut up! I hope CJ is innocent.
He didn’t say he left his phone on purpose. He was kinda annoyed he left it because he had nothin to do durin the day but decided to just hunt the whole day anyway. 50:57 if they find out his phone was used at all durin daylight hours that day, they’ll know his story is BS also.
PLEASE READ!!!
I went to school to be a DNR, and I never ended up finishing the schooling. But an officer came to give a big presentation, and he said the DNR gets most guys to confess by bluffing the hunter with fake evidence (photo shopping pictures, ect) and fake stories against the hunter to see if his story will fall apart. So it doesn’t surprise me that the DNR says they have CJ’s knives to try bluff him into a confession.
The officer that gave the presentation to my class, pretty much told everyone how to get away with poaching.
I also think the DA is abusing his position, and probably has buddies that are DNR that are on his side. So to me it’s all corrupt.
A lot of them are power hungry and are dirty sneaky. Some are great dudes but they have too much power
Don’t know y u r pretty much calling him a poacher before he is found guilty give me a break. If it was me I’d be pissed at u two guys for talking this long about it
I would have never taken them to a property ! If they think I commited a crime then find the evidence and prosecute me ! If you can’t find where it was shot then they have no case !
After watching the podcast you did with him, I'd say calling him very smart is a big stretch.
Listening to y’all be the “criminals” in this scenario had me laughing. It was actually insightful 😂 great episode, I’ve been waiting for this one!
We grew up in PENNSYLVANIA!!!
If this all goes legit....defamation lawsuit to the D.a definitely
I want to say first off I love the content but with that being said yall really need an intern to fact check you guys y’all are just speculating and guessing on half the stuff y’all are talking about literally maybe more than that y’all know none of the laws y’all know none of the fines y’all don’t even know how long you have to check the deer in after you harvest it. Just would make for better content if you had someone at least googling this stuff while you are talking or have an expert on that can tell you the answers