Thanks for that video. It's good to see how the battlefield appears today. My grandfather was wounded in that battle but unfortunately died of his wounds in 1921, at the age twenty seven.
Great stuff, Rob! Rudyard Kipling's poem always guts me when I hear it, knowing the pain he and his family was experiencing, like so many thousands of others.
A lovely video.Thank you. I made a pilgrimage to the WW1 battlefields 25 years ago, in October. It was misty and the atmosphere was really intense. I would urge others who haven't done so, to make the trip, if at all inclined to do so. .
That particular day and location was near where tanks were used for the first time. Its possible your grandfather may have been one of the first to witness tanks in action
A lot of Jacks died in the war. On both sides. A lot of grieving families and friends. Such a wicked war that not a lot is known. Thanks for sharing this story about Jack.
Excellent, powerful, and moving video, Rob. I had heard a bit about John Kipling before but learned even more here. I feel really sad for Rudyard Kipling. I cannot imagine his pain and grief. It's also sad how he died before his son's grave was identified. The poem, "My Boy Jack" is heartbreaking and moving. Great work, Rob. Take care and have a nice Thursday, bud.
Thanks for sharing. The poignant thing for me was the number of headstones of unknown soldiers you were walking past towards the end of the video. May they rest in peace.
My Great Grandad was recorded as “presumed dead” at Loos 8th Oct 1915, with the 7th East Surrey Regt. From information I found in the unit war diary, he was noted as being at the ADS the day before. I am convinced he’s one of the unknown burials in St Mary’s.
Watched the film the other night for about the 100th time 🤣🤣 my mate borrowed it, only took him 6months to watch it, so i had to rewatch once i got it back!
Rudyard Kipling who after the Amritsar Massacre described General Dyer as, the man who saved the British Empire and started a public subscription benevolent fund for him. Something which, after public backlash, he tried to distance himself from. Even Churchill was appalled at what happened. Lest we forget.
Kipling glorified the appalling brutality and racism of the British Empire at its high noon; he hero-worshipped the rough military type, though personally he was small and weak, with the bad eyesight that his son inherited. By some accounts he was a latent homosexual. His literary output ranged from the most dreadful jingoist drivel to the brilliant and insightful, both in poetry and prose. A complex and rather tormented character, and very much a product of his times.
Why is it not possible to exhume the body and do DNA testing? By the way, great channel! I really enjoy your calm and informative way of telling all the stories. You deserve more subscribers!
Thank you - it's the policy to not attempt to. I imagine because if you do that with one grave you'd have to do it with them all and that suddenly becomes an impossible task
I read that the reason for so many men being posted 'missing' was the failure at that time to provide more than one ID disk (dog tag). On death this one disk was removed so that the army could stop the soldier's pay immediately (!) and on subsequent transfer to a permanent grave there was nothing to identify the body. True (?) and if so infuriating.
@Templeborough Yes that was a factor at this stage of the war. Also in particular with the Battle of Loos the front lines remained largely unchanged for years afterwards meaning battlefields weren't cleared for a long time.
My grand uncle Archie Connolly 2nd Batt killed his first German later on this day, in trenches near a chalk quarry, he thought the German to be only 15years of age.
The cream of that generation was destroyed, and the Empire went downhill immediately. It can’t be emphasised too much, there should never have been a war at all then. Such a waste.
It does - whilst still tragically young, it's always worth remembering that 18 years old back then had someone at a whole different stage of life than an 18yr old would be today
Too easy and unnecessary to be critical. I know Loos well, as a battlefield guide. My Great Uncle was killed here with the Gloucesters near Lone Tree. Rob continues to ably honour these brave men in a sensitive manner. Keep it up Rob.
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I can sense your empathy and respect in your videos in your cemetery videos.. Well done and thank you .
I appreciate that
Thank you for recommending the movie. My husband and I just watched it and it was extremely powerful. I appreciate your respect for history.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for that video. It's good to see how the battlefield appears today. My grandfather was wounded in that battle but unfortunately died of his wounds in 1921, at the age twenty seven.
Great stuff, Rob! Rudyard Kipling's poem always guts me when I hear it, knowing the pain he and his family was experiencing, like so many thousands of others.
@VloggingThroughHistory Thanks Chris - appreciate you checking it out
A lovely video.Thank you. I made a pilgrimage to the WW1 battlefields 25 years ago, in October. It was misty and the atmosphere was really intense. I would urge others who haven't done so, to make the trip, if at all inclined to do so. .
Very informative as always , my grandfather served with the Irish Guards, he was wounded at Ginchy on 15 September 1916.
Thank you for sharing his story 🙏
That particular day and location was near where tanks were used for the first time. Its possible your grandfather may have been one of the first to witness tanks in action
I know wars are most often a young man's task; but seeing the ages on the graves is always a gut punch. Thanks for a great story!
Glad you enjoyed it
So sad. There were so many young boys lost to so many families. Unimaginable.
Yeah absolutely - hard to imagine
A very informative and respectful video.
Thanks
I really cant imagine the guilt he felt as a Dad. Really great, informative video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent watch and listen, thank you very much for doing this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
A lot of Jacks died in the war. On both sides. A lot of grieving families and friends. Such a wicked war that not a lot is known. Thanks for sharing this story about Jack.
What are you talking about. Not a lot is know. Lots and lots is known about it.
Excellent, powerful, and moving video, Rob. I had heard a bit about John Kipling before but learned even more here. I feel really sad for Rudyard Kipling. I cannot imagine his pain and grief. It's also sad how he died before his son's grave was identified.
The poem, "My Boy Jack" is heartbreaking and moving.
Great work, Rob. Take care and have a nice Thursday, bud.
Cheers Alex
@@historyinyourhand1787 Sure thing. Have a great rest of the week, Rob!
Great video, seen the film but will watch it again thanks
Thanks for sharing Rob. The film is indeed worth a watch. God bless, Robert
Great video and such an interesting story!
Well done! Thanks.
Thanks for sharing. The poignant thing for me was the number of headstones of unknown soldiers you were walking past towards the end of the video. May they rest in peace.
Very interesting and many thanks for making this video and sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it
Rudyard's house in Burwash is worth a visit if you are in the area.
Excellent video. I saw his name on the memorial at Notre Dame de Lorette so it’s interesting to see the battlefield where he died.
@TheHistoryUnderground Yes, he's named there and also the memorial at Loos due to initially being listed missing.
My Great Grandad was recorded as “presumed dead” at Loos 8th Oct 1915, with the 7th East Surrey Regt. From information I found in the unit war diary, he was noted as being at the ADS the day before. I am convinced he’s one of the unknown burials in St Mary’s.
Thanks for sharing his story
Excellent video thank you so much .
Thank you
"My Boy Jack" was written about Jack Cornwell V.C., 16 years old, killed at Jutland
Yes that's right, it wasn't directly written about John, but I think it's pretty clear where the motivation for the poem would have come from
@@historyinyourhand1787 - The Kipling's never called their son Jack. He was always called John.
Well and sympathetically done; thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Watched the film the other night for about the 100th time 🤣🤣 my mate borrowed it, only took him 6months to watch it, so i had to rewatch once i got it back!
The presenters style is sympathetic and gentle....very appropriate.
@@drpeterc12 Thank you
Rudyard Kipling who after the Amritsar Massacre described General Dyer as, the man who saved the British Empire and started a public subscription benevolent fund for him. Something which, after public backlash, he tried to distance himself from. Even Churchill was appalled at what happened. Lest we forget.
Kipling glorified the appalling brutality and racism of the British Empire at its high noon; he hero-worshipped the rough military type, though personally he was small and weak, with the bad eyesight that his son inherited. By some accounts he was a latent homosexual. His literary output ranged from the most dreadful jingoist drivel to the brilliant and insightful, both in poetry and prose. A complex and rather tormented character, and very much a product of his times.
TY🙏🙏
As always Rob..👍👍
Why is it not possible to exhume the body and do DNA testing? By the way, great channel! I really enjoy your calm and informative way of telling all the stories. You deserve more subscribers!
Thank you - it's the policy to not attempt to. I imagine because if you do that with one grave you'd have to do it with them all and that suddenly becomes an impossible task
@@historyinyourhand1787 That makes sense!
A great video thanks. Personally I subscribe to the body of opinion that disagrees with the CWGC identification.
Yes there's certainly people who would side with you on that
@@historyinyourhand1787 Which is not to demean - for one second - the tragedy of this story. It was sensitively told, well done.
I read that the reason for so many men being posted 'missing' was the failure at that time to provide more than one ID disk (dog tag). On death this one disk was removed so that the army could stop the soldier's pay immediately (!) and on subsequent transfer to a permanent grave there was nothing to identify the body. True (?) and if so infuriating.
@Templeborough Yes that was a factor at this stage of the war. Also in particular with the Battle of Loos the front lines remained largely unchanged for years afterwards meaning battlefields weren't cleared for a long time.
My grand uncle Archie Connolly 2nd Batt killed his first German later on this day, in trenches near a chalk quarry, he thought the German to be only 15years of age.
My grandad died on the same day about a mile up the line.
A great,poignant movie
The cream of that generation was destroyed, and the Empire went downhill immediately. It can’t be emphasised too much, there should never have been a war at all then. Such a waste.
John was a 2/Lt not a Lt moreover the Poem My Boy Jack is said to be about Jack Cornwall the young RN casuatyatJutland
Listen to the story
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The photo looks like a man in his late twenties or older.
It does - whilst still tragically young, it's always worth remembering that 18 years old back then had someone at a whole different stage of life than an 18yr old would be today
Well he did make exceedingly good cakes
More amateur junk
Too easy and unnecessary to be critical. I know Loos well, as a battlefield guide. My Great Uncle was killed here with the Gloucesters near Lone Tree. Rob continues to ably honour these brave men in a sensitive manner. Keep it up Rob.
Thanks - don't worry, it takes far more than a stroppy keyboard warrior to bother me
Well, the stage is yours, show us what you can do. We’ll wait.
Come on then, we’re all ears.
Amoeba.