I don't know why, but I really like Liu Shan. He's admirable in some weird way I can't explain. He's a caring soul but he definitely has his flaws to say the least. Also damn I'm seeing you a lot in comments of these types of videos. Didn't expect that lol
@@normalgamer5000 Yup,this Liu Shan is better...The novel's Liu Shan is more incompetent,until if I remember correctly,during the warring era,he chose to believe in sorcery than the more practical means of trusting his soldiers,until many of us,who only see the warring part of the novel,see Liu Shan as a incompetent leader...This game's cut scene give us a possible insight of Liu Shan's perspective,that maybe,things are just way too much for him to handle...
Liu Shan was not happy while he was reigning for 40 years. He lost his 3 wives as well. Xingcai was second Empress since her elder sister died in 238. He doesn’t like to make war.
it's funny because when Liu Shan was a baby Liu Bei threw him to the ground and calling him "useless child" after Zhao Yun fought peril to save baby Liu Shan, maybe here's his way of saying "F you dad! You threw me away when I was a baby? I threw your kingdom away!"
history books just simplify him too much. a person grew up with ppl full of ambitions, tried so hard to return to the old capital of Han dynasty. he gotta have a complex personality. I love this scene so much
That the problem with shu, they tried to back to the old way of han, even tho the reason so many civil wars happend because failing of han dynasty to rule and people start to see it and needed change
Liu shan was a good king but he was born in the wrong era. In 40 years as a King of shu, Liu shan did a very good job to make his peoples lived in a peaceful world. Too bad he was born in the era of war, if he was born in a peaceful era, peoples will remember him as a great king
Agree, the fact that he had the longest rule during the Three Kingdoms period and the stability of Shu during his reign is always ignored, he was a ruler, not a warlord.
Nope. He did f all throughout his entire reign. The reason Shu stayed stable was due to Zhuge Liang, Fei Yi and Jiang Wei. Historically, he also did not allow historians to record anything about him because it is very obvious that this bumkpin had some form of severe mental retardation. Probably due to Liu Bei dropping him on his head as a baby.
nah you are wrong if king who do notthing is a good king. then what if somebody invade you and your king surrender and make people in whole kingdom a slave ? Honorius did notthing and the rome fall
@@เป็ดคุง-ฐ3ง depend on situations. For Liu Shang case, if he went to war with the Wei or Jin, Shu would surely lose and everyone including the civilians would be killed. Since he surrendered, Wei let Shu be a part of its empire without killing anyone/citizens but the rebels.
@@sigmaritearchlector5869 while Liu Shang is not the best ruler, he's not the worst either. If anything, he was a much better ruler than his dad ever was. Liu Shang was too soft and was just born in a shit world and can't control everything around him. Idk why you said Jiang Wei but the guy actually kept on invading Wei and led Shu closer to its demise
Ah, Koei really did step up on the storytelling this time. This is one example of an emotionally strong cutscene, especially regarding Liu Shan's overwhelmingly tough decision-making late in Shu's lifeline which have regarded Liu Shan as a seemingly coward person in history.
He was actually a better leader than Liu Bei. He realized that in order to achieve a true land of virtue, peace, and benelovence, he must be the first one to lay down his sword. He realized that he's draining his people in the name of a propaganda his father couldn't achieve. Unlike Jiang Wei, he understood the true concept of benevolence (The people of my land) while Jiang Wei misunderstood it (The wishes of my masters.) In the end, he choose to surrender because he knew to achieve peace and true benevolence was to understand his limitations and save his people from an illusion they could not achieve. Rest in piece, an emperor worthy of his title.
Actually surrendering is a smart moves of Liu Shan, Shu already drained their resources because of 'Jiang Wei Northern Expedition' which happened eleven god damn times and gains nothing against the wealthy and stronger Wei. Among the three, Shu is the poorest post 234, but still Jiang Wei keep draining their resources for his expedition, Jiang Wei is the one of key factor that's lead Shu to it's downfall. Liu Shan moves these days still debated by the historians, some of them see his moves as a wise and smart moves, preventing civilian victims and unnecessary death.
Thats understandable but all this could have been prevented if Wu didnt betray at Fan castle. Also Liu Bei's mistakes led to the build up of this situation.
Taher93 shu reap what they sow, in the modern day, the historian questioning the point of zhuge liang three kingdom plan, the point that involving jing province. But forgive me... the largest? On Liu Bei time they only control Yi Province, Han Zhong, and half of Jing. While Cao Cao is the undisputed ruler of northern part. Sun Quan in the south east have a slight larger area than Shu.
If u want to know the reason shu is fall because guan yu. If guanyu defend jing wei surely destroy by zhauge liang because all supply is transforted from jing province
for ya'll wondering when do shu started the biggest blunder, it's the death of Guan Yu that leads to the fall of Jing Province, making Liu Bei Focus on WU and not Wei. This results to delay the northern expedition and lead to the death of the competent generals as well as Liu Bei
@@CoffeeSuccubus i say when liushan surender jin that is right dicided and liu shan still a good emperor. He care his people. And just want to end war .
Shame the gameplay for this installment was so sparse considering how far Dynasty Warriors' storytelling had evolved by comparison. This cutscene is so well done it feels like something out of a Wuxia film.
Even tho the real history was not like this... But they definitely did a great job on Liu Shan... What a character... In school every child was taught that he is weak amd irresponsible... But here I see a different person... Its Liu Bei's fault for falling Shu...
what make me think is everything started on chibi sun quan should surrender to wei wouldnt it be easier if sun quan surrender in stead of ally himself with liu bei well i cannot blame them though they just doing for their people and for their country this history gives everyone a lesson even we are from different country but we have the same dream is that not true? for me yes its true
Its not the rescuing that makes him bad, or him being born, it was his FATHER, Liu Bei, that drops him like a basketball when he received news that he was saved. Even the most brilliant kid would turn out to be retarded if you drop them in their head as a child.
Muhd Akmal Nah. All the fault is Liu Bei for not giving Jing Province to Wu and break the promise. Due to that, Both Shu and Wu lose valuable officers during the battle.
If liu shan didn't surrender, more people will suffer because the war will go on. He didn't surrender because he was weak, he surrender because he don't want to continue the war
In my opnion what make shu weak is because of Liu bei he is too stubborn if he have some patience and react like the warlord he is he wouldnt lose zhang fei too and he wont lose some good general at his next battle againts wu
reading the comments will give u brain damage if you have any idea how any of these events were recorded historically, people here are using dw games and ROTK novel and tv series for their "historical" reference
that is wise choice from liu shan because many people dead from shu vs wei and he must stop that and surender shu to wei because that era is different when sima yi & sima shi ruler they are really ambition but that not happens when sima zhao rule he want peace to same like liu shan🙏🙏👍👍👍.
when taiwan (roc) finally surrenders to prc. But they wont give up cause Chiang Kai she is kicked out and is a modern liu bei. Cao Cao was the hero trying to reunify china while liu bei and sun were the ones stopping him. A lot of wasted campaign of Jiang wei and fund/money. Shu could only live as a vassal state at one point.
yes; that said, Japanese made the game, and the chinese ACG industry is in appalling shortage of scholars and people with scholarly mindset. thus, Japanese colloquialism used in the original game stays.
then again, industry and community go hand in hand; the dub script left MUCH to be desired. come to think of it, I should lay blame at the society as a whole; when even the recent movies and TV series fail to exhibit archaic speech style, what can I expect from game dubs?
On the other hand, they did correct the term for Emperor. In the past DW games the emperor was referred by the Japanese term 帝 (JA: mikado みかど, CH: di). But it has since been correctly translated to Japanese as 天子 (CH: tianzi, JA: tenshi てんし). I also noticed Diaochan refers to herself as 子女子 (CH: xiao'nuzi, JA: kojoshi こじょし) in the Chinese dub, whereas in the original Japanese script she still uses the formalized general pronoun for I/me 私 (JA: watakushi わたくし, CH: si).
@kauliangglf2 TALKING IN ARCHAIC STYLE?! Are you serious? 99% of the Chinese audiences wouldn't understand most dialogues! (And it's true for the other countries' history works as well. I've not seen any Japanese/Korean/European ones in their archaic language that's just impossible for anything set before 17th centuries dude!
No stroy tell different from novel, he was not good king zhuge liang hold shu kingdom. As prime minister and king in shadow. Tahts why whu still exist until zhuge liang die. And shu become history. I mean if he good king why shu down after zhuge liang die and no get info if he close with zhuge liang,before liu bei die, he want zhuge liang take the throne. Because he know he son not good leader for this era. Is short cinematic not like real story is seems like he good guys. But not write in novel
@@DarkAdonisVyersThen why did the author describe Liu Shan as an incompetent king? if indeed the author is a fanboy of shu. he could have written good things for liu shan because liu shan is the heir to the throne of shu
@@DarkAdonisVyers ya i know. but if the author is a fanboy of shu, he could have made a version of the story by depicting liu shan fighting to the last drop of blood. but he didn't because the writer still thought about his credibility as a writer
@@bololopTFT Except for the fact that Liu Shan surrendered? You want that kind of story? Go watch 300 or Braveheart or something. Or even more pathetically Spartacus, where he is "so brave" to fight to the end but also so much of an imbecile to hire pirates but also pay them in advance. Dude, Romance of the 3 Kingdoms is blatant propaganda. Everyone else is either a "traitor" (Cao Cao usurping the throne without actually usurping the throne) or apparently a "foreigner" (Sun Quan's eye and beard color).
Adding on to the first one, the real Xingcai is two women. Sisters that were both Empresses of Shu and Liu Shan's wife. As for Sima Zhao and Wang Yuanji, they were husband and wife. They had several children together including Sima Yan who would unite China in 300CE and Sima You who was adopted by Sima Shi as he had no children of his own. Wang Yuanji lived several years after her husbands passing and advised her son when he was Emperor.
I'm... Actually surprised a lot of people actually like Liu shan.. I legit hate him, and xing cai potrayed as a strong woman in the game to marry someone so soft like Liu shan is just excruciating to see!
Cameron Field Yup you were right liu shan is very wise to surrender to sima yi because he can lead the people and country By the way liu shan don't own this shu people anymore because they only treat him as the leader of the country not the human true emotion feeling except xing cai the genuine one who care about him the most in the end going to luo yang to live the good life is the only way to stop the people who tell you what to do always for the greater good for country
'Strong' here could mean he would've never allowed Jiang Wei's attacks to happen. In a legal sense,a prominent general like Cao Xiu still need the emperor's permission (Cao Rui) to launch his campaign at Shiting,which failed and cost Xiu his life.The case of Liu Shan in-game is just like the historical one. Given his age and the influence of Zhuge and other officials,it's inevitable he became a weak ruler. It's worse in the game as he really desired peace,but got rejected by 'benevolence'
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Zhao Yun seeing this in heaven: “Bruh”
I don't know why, but I really like Liu Shan. He's admirable in some weird way I can't explain. He's a caring soul but he definitely has his flaws to say the least. Also damn I'm seeing you a lot in comments of these types of videos. Didn't expect that lol
@@normalgamer5000 Yup,this Liu Shan is better...The novel's Liu Shan is more incompetent,until if I remember correctly,during the warring era,he chose to believe in sorcery than the more practical means of trusting his soldiers,until many of us,who only see the warring part of the novel,see Liu Shan as a incompetent leader...This game's cut scene give us a possible insight of Liu Shan's perspective,that maybe,things are just way too much for him to handle...
@@Wee2Yang nah i don't know bruh, maybe liu shan have a long time as a ruler but its because jiang wan, fei yi and yang yi.
Zhuge liang got more sick by idiotic people. From fever into brain cancer.
Lol
Liu Shan was not happy while he was reigning for 40 years. He lost his 3 wives as well. Xingcai was second Empress since her elder sister died in 238. He doesn’t like to make war.
Story development 10/10
Gameplay development 0/10
Sora No Destiny so true lol
it's funny because when Liu Shan was a baby Liu Bei threw him to the ground and calling him "useless child" after Zhao Yun fought peril to save baby Liu Shan, maybe here's his way of saying "F you dad! You threw me away when I was a baby? I threw your kingdom away!"
history books just simplify him too much. a person grew up with ppl full of ambitions, tried so hard to return to the old capital of Han dynasty. he gotta have a complex personality. I love this scene so much
That the problem with shu, they tried to back to the old way of han, even tho the reason so many civil wars happend because failing of han dynasty to rule and people start to see it and needed change
Liu shan was a good king but he was born in the wrong era. In 40 years as a King of shu, Liu shan did a very good job to make his peoples lived in a peaceful world. Too bad he was born in the era of war, if he was born in a peaceful era, peoples will remember him as a great king
Agree, the fact that he had the longest rule during the Three Kingdoms period and the stability of Shu during his reign is always ignored, he was a ruler, not a warlord.
Nope. He did f all throughout his entire reign. The reason Shu stayed stable was due to Zhuge Liang, Fei Yi and Jiang Wei. Historically, he also did not allow historians to record anything about him because it is very obvious that this bumkpin had some form of severe mental retardation. Probably due to Liu Bei dropping him on his head as a baby.
nah you are wrong if king who do notthing is a good king. then what if somebody invade you and your king surrender and make people in whole kingdom a slave ?
Honorius did notthing
and the rome fall
@@เป็ดคุง-ฐ3ง depend on situations. For Liu Shang case, if he went to war with the Wei or Jin, Shu would surely lose and everyone including the civilians would be killed.
Since he surrendered, Wei let Shu be a part of its empire without killing anyone/citizens but the rebels.
@@sigmaritearchlector5869 while Liu Shang is not the best ruler, he's not the worst either. If anything, he was a much better ruler than his dad ever was. Liu Shang was too soft and was just born in a shit world and can't control everything around him.
Idk why you said Jiang Wei but the guy actually kept on invading Wei and led Shu closer to its demise
Ah, Koei really did step up on the storytelling this time. This is one example of an emotionally strong cutscene, especially regarding Liu Shan's overwhelmingly tough decision-making late in Shu's lifeline which have regarded Liu Shan as a seemingly coward person in history.
too bad they fucked up the English voices
@@ShiniRyuga boohoo use another dub..
@@xLadii_Vixenx That was a stupid response but sure.
@@ShiniRyugalmaooooo. They fucked up the whole game. 7 is still the best in terms of story telling.
He was actually a better leader than Liu Bei. He realized that in order to achieve a true land of virtue, peace, and benelovence, he must be the first one to lay down his sword. He realized that he's draining his people in the name of a propaganda his father couldn't achieve. Unlike Jiang Wei, he understood the true concept of benevolence (The people of my land) while Jiang Wei misunderstood it (The wishes of my masters.) In the end, he choose to surrender because he knew to achieve peace and true benevolence was to understand his limitations and save his people from an illusion they could not achieve.
Rest in piece, an emperor worthy of his title.
Zhuge Liang said that he has a great sense of benevolence, but I think that he had suffered an over-benevolence.
liu shan sucks.
Actually surrendering is a smart moves of Liu Shan, Shu already drained their resources because of 'Jiang Wei Northern Expedition' which happened eleven god damn times and gains nothing against the wealthy and stronger Wei. Among the three, Shu is the poorest post 234, but still Jiang Wei keep draining their resources for his expedition, Jiang Wei is the one of key factor that's lead Shu to it's downfall. Liu Shan moves these days still debated by the historians, some of them see his moves as a wise and smart moves, preventing civilian victims and unnecessary death.
Thats understandable but all this could have been prevented if Wu didnt betray at Fan castle. Also Liu Bei's mistakes led to the build up of this situation.
At the prime of Shu they were the strongest of the three kingdom. They had big southern territory too but they werent as cunning as other two
Taher93 shu reap what they sow, in the modern day, the historian questioning the point of zhuge liang three kingdom plan, the point that involving jing province. But forgive me... the largest? On Liu Bei time they only control Yi Province, Han Zhong, and half of Jing. While Cao Cao is the undisputed ruler of northern part. Sun Quan in the south east have a slight larger area than Shu.
Poor liu shan get throw by the stone by the shu people without aware of themselves are the true foolishness itself
If u want to know the reason shu is fall because guan yu.
If guanyu defend jing wei surely destroy by zhauge liang because all supply is transforted from jing province
for ya'll wondering when do shu started the biggest blunder, it's the death of Guan Yu that leads to the fall of Jing Province, making Liu Bei Focus on WU and not Wei. This results to delay the northern expedition and lead to the death of the competent generals as well as Liu Bei
Shu started falling after the death of Pang Tong
Fall in love to Mandarin DubMore better than Eng & Japan dub
Agreed. Because the character based on real people from ancient China
Shu's hope of conquest has ended in Yiling. Liu Chan inherited a rubble.
2 dislike from shu people pick up the rock throw at liu shan
Lol still 2
wtf you saying
@@CoffeeSuccubus i say when liushan surender jin that is right dicided and liu shan still a good emperor. He care his people. And just want to end war .
Shame the gameplay for this installment was so sparse considering how far Dynasty Warriors' storytelling had evolved by comparison. This cutscene is so well done it feels like something out of a Wuxia film.
Meanwhile I think this is the game in the entire series, sans 6, that was actually fun to play.
Very good cutscene but also very emotional that I'm feeling sad
Even tho the real history was not like this... But they definitely did a great job on Liu Shan... What a character... In school every child was taught that he is weak amd irresponsible... But here I see a different person... Its Liu Bei's fault for falling Shu...
what make me think is everything started on chibi sun quan should surrender to wei wouldnt it be easier if sun quan surrender in stead of ally himself with liu bei
well i cannot blame them though they just doing for their people and for their country
this history gives everyone a lesson even we are from different country but we have the same dream is that not true?
for me yes its true
It was partially Zhao Yun's fault for rescuing this bum of a man , any of Zhuge Liang's sons or chess friends could continue his legacy
Its not the rescuing that makes him bad, or him being born, it was his FATHER, Liu Bei, that drops him like a basketball when he received news that he was saved. Even the most brilliant kid would turn out to be retarded if you drop them in their head as a child.
Muhd Akmal Nah. All the fault is Liu Bei for not giving Jing Province to Wu and break the promise. Due to that, Both Shu and Wu lose valuable officers during the battle.
If liu shan didn't surrender, more people will suffer because the war will go on. He didn't surrender because he was weak, he surrender because he don't want to continue the war
In my opnion what make shu weak is because of Liu bei he is too stubborn if he have some patience and react like the warlord he is he wouldnt lose zhang fei too and he wont lose some good general at his next battle againts wu
Whoa, That was great!
reading the comments will give u brain damage if you have any idea how any of these events were recorded historically, people here are using dw games and ROTK novel and tv series for their "historical" reference
that is wise choice from liu shan because many people dead from shu vs wei and he must stop that and surender shu to wei because that era is different when sima yi & sima shi ruler they are really ambition but that not happens when sima zhao rule he want peace to same like liu shan🙏🙏👍👍👍.
I love this cutscene so much. So SO much
I feel depressed and sad every time I watch DW9 SHU cutscen. Idk why.
when taiwan (roc) finally surrenders to prc. But they wont give up cause Chiang Kai she is kicked out and is a modern liu bei. Cao Cao was the hero trying to reunify china while liu bei and sun were the ones stopping him. A lot of wasted campaign of Jiang wei and fund/money. Shu could only live as a vassal state at one point.
Shouldn't the PEOPLE be addressing Liu Shan as 陛下 (bixia) instead of 'Master Liu Shan?'
Yep. Addressing the Son of Heaven by his personal name was a grave offence.
yes; that said, Japanese made the game, and the chinese ACG industry is in appalling shortage of scholars and people with scholarly mindset.
thus, Japanese colloquialism used in the original game stays.
then again, industry and community go hand in hand; the dub script left MUCH to be desired.
come to think of it, I should lay blame at the society as a whole; when even the recent movies and TV series fail to exhibit archaic speech style, what can I expect from game dubs?
On the other hand, they did correct the term for Emperor. In the past DW games the emperor was referred by the Japanese term 帝 (JA: mikado みかど, CH: di). But it has since been correctly translated to Japanese as 天子 (CH: tianzi, JA: tenshi てんし). I also noticed Diaochan refers to herself as 子女子 (CH: xiao'nuzi, JA: kojoshi こじょし) in the Chinese dub, whereas in the original Japanese script she still uses the formalized general pronoun for I/me 私 (JA: watakushi わたくし, CH: si).
@kauliangglf2 TALKING IN ARCHAIC STYLE?! Are you serious? 99% of the Chinese audiences wouldn't understand most dialogues! (And it's true for the other countries' history works as well. I've not seen any Japanese/Korean/European ones in their archaic language that's just impossible for anything set before 17th centuries dude!
Mandarin dub is great
good jobs Huang Hao
No stroy tell different from novel, he was not good king zhuge liang hold shu kingdom. As prime minister and king in shadow. Tahts why whu still exist until zhuge liang die. And shu become history. I mean if he good king why shu down after zhuge liang die and no get info if he close with zhuge liang,before liu bei die, he want zhuge liang take the throne. Because he know he son not good leader for this era. Is short cinematic not like real story is seems like he good guys. But not write in novel
The novel was written by a Shu fanboy. Next, you'll be saying that the Bible is accurate.
@@DarkAdonisVyersThen why did the author describe Liu Shan as an incompetent king? if indeed the author is a fanboy of shu. he could have written good things for liu shan because liu shan is the heir to the throne of shu
@@bololopTFT _because_ Liu Shan surrendered.
@@DarkAdonisVyers ya i know. but if the author is a fanboy of shu, he could have made a version of the story by depicting liu shan fighting to the last drop of blood. but he didn't because the writer still thought about his credibility as a writer
@@bololopTFT Except for the fact that Liu Shan surrendered? You want that kind of story? Go watch 300 or Braveheart or something. Or even more pathetically Spartacus, where he is "so brave" to fight to the end but also so much of an imbecile to hire pirates but also pay them in advance. Dude, Romance of the 3 Kingdoms is blatant propaganda. Everyone else is either a "traitor" (Cao Cao usurping the throne without actually usurping the throne) or apparently a "foreigner" (Sun Quan's eye and beard color).
Well, i think dw9 liu shan is better than liu shan in dw7 and 8
Damn more sad scenes now in 3d.
Are they lovers or married or what ?
Husband and wife.
Oh thanks can i know what about Sima Zhao and Wang Yuanji as well ??
Adding on to the first one, the real Xingcai is two women. Sisters that were both Empresses of Shu and Liu Shan's wife.
As for Sima Zhao and Wang Yuanji, they were husband and wife. They had several children together including Sima Yan who would unite China in 300CE and Sima You who was adopted by Sima Shi as he had no children of his own. Wang Yuanji lived several years after her husbands passing and advised her son when he was Emperor.
What happened to the kingdom of Shu?
Becomes the Jin kingdom (a part of it)
I'm... Actually surprised a lot of people actually like Liu shan.. I legit hate him, and xing cai potrayed as a strong woman in the game to marry someone so soft like Liu shan is just excruciating to see!
Waaaaa so saaaad. Pathetic
Man, that was a canonically sad ending.
If only Liu Shan is as strong as Liu Bei are..
Cameron Field You could be right
Cameron Field Yup you were right liu shan is very wise to surrender to sima yi because he can lead the people and country By the way liu shan don't own this shu people anymore because they only treat him as the leader of the country not the human true emotion feeling except xing cai the genuine one who care about him the most in the end going to luo yang to live the good life is the only way to stop the people who tell you what to do always for the greater good for country
'Strong' here could mean he would've never allowed Jiang Wei's attacks to happen. In a legal sense,a prominent general like Cao Xiu still need the emperor's permission (Cao Rui) to launch his campaign at Shiting,which failed and cost Xiu his life.The case of Liu Shan in-game is just like the historical one. Given his age and the influence of Zhuge and other officials,it's inevitable he became a weak ruler. It's worse in the game as he really desired peace,but got rejected by 'benevolence'