When the iron is outside the block, there is a small horizontal stability loss in addition to the vertical because Valheim uses the distance between the center of each object in that calculation. No idea for the columns breaking before their max height though.
Yeah I thought that was the case and you are probly right but why is the black marble pillar also a different height then the normal block? I wish it could just be a bit more uniform.
I need to test out different terrain heights then thank you! But I do think the new pillars are not acting how to suppose to, seeing how some parts on the top stay up and some dont.
@@jjthebuilder something to do with the relative positions of the tops of the iron beams / bottom of the pillar sections? 3d build pieces have always been weird about what counts as support when overlapping.
@@jjthebuilder yeah that does look a bit wierd. We will look into this. The calculations are done from the center point of each piece, in addition to keeping some old corrected calculations in place to prevent old builds from breaking, so Im sure the math could end up with a bit of behaviour like this.
I like the daily uploads! It's nice to see you upload more frequently. Can I suggest doing tutorials or build series? That way your bigger builds don't cause you to only upload every few months. Personally most of my builds are inspired by yours. Your stone tutorial from a while back helped me exponentially.
I have two things in the pipeline but I also have my day job and some Dutch holidays coming up haha. 1. I’m going to do a small tutorial 2. I’m going to make a new updated video on stability because I have been talking to some people and got some new information that I want to test out.
I am going to theorize that the iron beam with the grausten on the outside isn't breaking at 30 and 32m because the game is reading the signs as connected to the pillar supported by iron grating next to it.
Flametal Pillar and Flametal Beam were just added after you posted this video. do they add any build height?? i really feel like they would. please test for this :O also side note these new pieces can be built directly on lava!
Have you tried removing the signs which are touching the stone pillars on the iron pole side? Perhaps they are transferring some stability. I ask this as the only place where they remain is adjacent to touching signs.
According to the wiki the dverger metal things have the same stability stats as iron. But if you believe the wiki then the wood iron poles should perform the same as the iron grates so idk.
Thanks for the video! Video feedback, the constant sudden camera shaking made my eyes hurt and I started to feel nauseous at times. 1:59 was particularly egregious. At about 4:30 I had to scroll down to just listen to you and could not watch the video. Appreciate the content though, good thorough testing and good feedback! Hope the devs see it
I should specify, it's typically the circular rotations. Panning left and right or up and down is fine. Instead of circling your mouse, you could say "The iron grates in front of me", or just assume the viewer knows that the thing in the middle of your screen and cursor is the block in question. 🙂
cool spawn point location. Gl swimming on lvl 0 with 25 stamina xD Thank you for all the testing. Appreciate it! Cheers! One thing im missing is the flametal supports.
I would be grateful for the summary of the video in a nutshell, I don't know English well, but I really like to build. But alas, even to write a comment, you have to use a translator.
30 and 32 dont break because of the wood peice that give them suport froom the pilar to the right and 31 and 29 break because there is no wood peice for spuport from the other pilar
Stabilty is a mechanic I honestly hate in Valheim, it makes 0 sense, like "yes game tell me why this isn't supported despite sitting on a giant stone block and having supports in place.", Other survival games like Conan, etc., have handled it far better, and far simpler, in that your structure just needs to be supported, no height restrictions, etc., just "Can it stand on it's own y/n", stability honestly just kills any desire I have to try and do complex builds as a console player, and I'd argue it hurts the game more then anything on the building front, that and the camera not going underwater.
When the iron is outside the block, there is a small horizontal stability loss in addition to the vertical because Valheim uses the distance between the center of each object in that calculation.
No idea for the columns breaking before their max height though.
Yeah I thought that was the case and you are probly right but why is the black marble pillar also a different height then the normal block? I wish it could just be a bit more uniform.
marble has better horizontal stability than regular stone although the vertical stability is the same
Great video! I think the height calculations are being done from the base terrain height though, not the flattened/heightened/lowered surface though.
I need to test out different terrain heights then thank you! But I do think the new pillars are not acting how to suppose to, seeing how some parts on the top stay up and some dont.
@@jjthebuilder something to do with the relative positions of the tops of the iron beams / bottom of the pillar sections? 3d build pieces have always been weird about what counts as support when overlapping.
@@jjthebuilder yeah that does look a bit wierd. We will look into this. The calculations are done from the center point of each piece, in addition to keeping some old corrected calculations in place to prevent old builds from breaking, so Im sure the math could end up with a bit of behaviour like this.
@@jjthebuilder don't forget the game is stil in early acces. everything might change in 1.0. but nontheless a good video
@@rhonin210 you are completely right!
Do I understand correctly that iron grilles make it possible to build higher than beams with iron?
Seems like it, but I need to test more stuff out.
Always a pleasure your builds updates from valheim, best.
I like the daily uploads! It's nice to see you upload more frequently. Can I suggest doing tutorials or build series? That way your bigger builds don't cause you to only upload every few months. Personally most of my builds are inspired by yours. Your stone tutorial from a while back helped me exponentially.
I have two things in the pipeline but I also have my day job and some Dutch holidays coming up haha.
1. I’m going to do a small tutorial
2. I’m going to make a new updated video on stability because I have been talking to some people and got some new information that I want to test out.
I was disappointed the new materials didn't have more stability.
I am going to theorize that the iron beam with the grausten on the outside isn't breaking at 30 and 32m because the game is reading the signs as connected to the pillar supported by iron grating next to it.
I love your builds and live in one of your houses :)
UGH! Please stop giggling your mouse. it moves the whole screen for us viewers. Hard to watch.
Flametal Pillar and Flametal Beam were just added after you posted this video. do they add any build height?? i really feel like they would. please test for this :O
also side note these new pieces can be built directly on lava!
Same stability as normal iron/wood pillars nothing changed. The devs said if we want them to look at stability we need to send in bug reports.
@@jjthebuilder thank you so very much what a lad.
Have you tried removing the signs which are touching the stone pillars on the iron pole side? Perhaps they are transferring some stability. I ask this as the only place where they remain is adjacent to touching signs.
Yes I did remove them and waited but nothing changed.
@@jjthebuilderDid you try building it in isolation again to see if you can replicate it this way?
adding building pieces never makes structures
less stable. removing them might sometimes :p
your flight movement is making me seasick.
Thank you
How high can you support buildings using the dverger copper walls? Is it the same as the iron walls?
Yeah, was curious about the Dverger walls myself
According to the wiki the dverger metal things have the same stability stats as iron. But if you believe the wiki then the wood iron poles should perform the same as the iron grates so idk.
Can you compare copper to iron as a support metal please.
Thanks for the video! Video feedback, the constant sudden camera shaking made my eyes hurt and I started to feel nauseous at times. 1:59 was particularly egregious. At about 4:30 I had to scroll down to just listen to you and could not watch the video.
Appreciate the content though, good thorough testing and good feedback! Hope the devs see it
I should specify, it's typically the circular rotations. Panning left and right or up and down is fine. Instead of circling your mouse, you could say "The iron grates in front of me", or just assume the viewer knows that the thing in the middle of your screen and cursor is the block in question. 🙂
Basically the iron grate is just rebar.
While this is,interesting, it's public test for good reason
Agree, I’m just trying to figure it out and I also send in a bug report.
@jjthebuilder I understand. I struggled myself building an outpost when I got there. I just figured it would be ironed out during testing
cool spawn point location. Gl swimming on lvl 0 with 25 stamina xD
Thank you for all the testing. Appreciate it! Cheers!
One thing im missing is the flametal supports.
Now you gotta redo this video, now that they've released the flametal pillar and beam....
Flamepillars are the same strength and height as the normal wood/iron pillars.
@@jjthebuilder Doesn't seem worth the cost, if that's the case. Flametal is rather...precious...
Ty and I hope you sent this video or info to bugs or feedback
I would be grateful for the summary of the video in a nutshell, I don't know English well, but I really like to build. But alas, even to write a comment, you have to use a translator.
I, too, love the building!
Or you could just learn the basics of the language instead of being lazy and demanding someone else do it for you.
@@corporateturtle6005 Why do you even bother being a troll? It's less effort not to be one.
@@TheRealInscrutable Same reason you cry like a man child.
@@TheRealInscrutable How many different languages can you cry in? Asking for a friend.
30 and 32 dont break because of the wood peice that give them suport froom the pilar to the right and 31 and 29 break because there is no wood peice for spuport from the other pilar
The signs were placed after, that’s not it m8
Stabilty is a mechanic I honestly hate in Valheim, it makes 0 sense, like "yes game tell me why this isn't supported despite sitting on a giant stone block and having supports in place.",
Other survival games like Conan, etc., have handled it far better, and far simpler, in that your structure just needs to be supported, no height restrictions, etc., just "Can it stand on it's own y/n",
stability honestly just kills any desire I have to try and do complex builds as a console player, and I'd argue it hurts the game more then anything on the building front, that and the camera not going underwater.
Lol, "this is... so strange"