SCANIA's V8 Engine The End is Coming!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- With Euro 7 Emission Regulations set to come for HGV's in 2027 can SCANIA's V8 engine survive for much longer? Let's chat...
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I hope they never get rid of the v8!
I Hope that to
They won't, theyd lose their entire image and a big part of their customers. From a marketing point of view itd be desastrous
V8 hybrid
They will have to sooner than later.
@@Simon-dm8zv says who? The people gluing themselves to the streets?
We a running 3 next gen Scania. One 6 cyl 540 hp, one V8 580 and one 650. The V8's have tandem drive. The 540 and 580 gets identical fuel mileage. The 650 consumes about 5% more fuel. We typically pull between 64 and 73 tons. I don't think the V8 is dead any time soon, at least here in Sweden. Even Scania have said that the V8's is going to be around for long time to come. They even came out with a completely new V8 lineup last year combined with new transmission. They supposed to be even more fuel efficient. Can't wait to get my hands on one.
The Scania v8 is famous and liked, but is it really a money maker for Scania? Lots of development costs just for the V8 even in the euro6 era, but most fleet customers buy 6-cylinder engines because they save money and are powerful enough. Even many Finnish haulers pull 76 ton weights with 6-cylinder Scanias.
V8 is just a trademark now anything is powerful than the 1st gen.(1969).
Watching this in Tasmania, Australia where Blundstones are made!!! Good to see our local products making it on the global stage!!!
I was working as handy man at a horse breeding stable in Sweden a few years ago. And everyone that took care of the horses had Blundstones.
I thought they was pretty crazy for not using steel toes because it was wild race horses that could stomp you in a second, but they didn't care.
thought they moved from Hobart and NZ to being manufactured in Thailand and India since 2007?
@@IceWolf1102 Correct, not the same as they used to be unfortunately. Still good but definitely worse.
Well it's a interesting thought but I think they will continue to make them even on euro 7 , the V8 engine is basically the brand of Scania, All the other brands have dropped them with euro 6 because too less people bought them, if you look at how much V8 scanias you see on the road from the next gen model it's quite a lot, I think they'll invest in euro 7 until 2035 when the EU will have those new rules against the diesel engine, but I think they'll drop the 530 although i think they will keep it until at least 2025- 27 because it's part of the new V8 engines Scania produced previous year they still invest in new technology for the V8 I think it's not really likely that Scania drops the V8 after 2027
V8 are just waste of money. The R6 are better in every way. V8 are just outdated if youre not doing special transports. An R460 is enough for almost everything in Europe. It pulls 40 tons easily. In Germany you dont see any NG V8s. Traton (Scania, MAN and Navistar) are looking for an standard R6 Euro 7 engine for all of their brands. I wouldnt be surprised if Scania and MAN will have a 16 litre R6 Euro7 engine in 2026/2027.
@@honda900000 true that, but let's be honest who doesn't want to have a v8 daily driver right 😅💪
@@honda900000 lets compare r6 500hp and v8 500 hp on uphill with 40 tons
the v8 will always be the first uphill. Also 460hp Trucks with 40tons are just stressfull to drive. As soon as they smell hills they downshift and scream on every cylinder
I feel I am blessed to have been born during the era of the V8 from the 143 until the present day. I to believe our generation will be the last to experience the privilege.
Scania themselves have said the V8s aren't going anywhere anytime soon, so hopefully that's the case.
Having the V8s is already sort of a lost course if you talk efficiency compared to the 13L. But the V8 is part of Scania's "fan service" at this point. Drivers and company's like to have them because they are something to be proud of, usually resulting in loyal and paying customers, for that reason alone the V8 will most likely not go away. Scania knows of its marketing value. Im a mechanic for Scania based in Germany and one thing i have noticed about the customer base, compared to other manufacturers, is that the Trucks are loved and often tuned by there owners, backing up my argument about loyalty.
We priced a 560 few weeks back, well specc'd, air on the front Griffin pack etc, truck came in at 161,000 Sterling, a 590 V8 was only 6k more, 660 10k more, I know what will hold value better.
It’s inevitable, especially with Traton’s Common Base Engine program the V8 obviously has no common use among the group anymore, they could simply replace it with a tweaked version of MAN D38 engine instead as the high power engine option.
I have an wifi module installed at the garage near my house that download the tachograph data wireless, also the board computer i have installed in my trucks also can download the data automatic even when the truck is on the road best investment i ever did so my planners can see those tacho data realtime on there computer screen, a lot easyer and not that much expensiver and the best thing you dont have to mess with those download box things anymore...
V8 brand is huge for Scania. I don't think they won't drop it...
And in Scandinavia we do have needs for those big torque engines. (I had few times, when my old R580 runs out of power...)
Hopefully the V8 will continue forever as long as there’s diesel!!!
Great video stavros, marry xmas and all the best to you 👍🎄🎅🏻
Hopefully the V8 will continue forever as long as there’s diesel!!!
That pete is so cool, and a fun fact about pete is that they are made of old airplanes. I didn't know that either before I talked to a fellow trucker who drives one of those here in Norway for coca cola's Christmas truck
good video , im not a truck person but its very interesting .scania trucks will be here long after 2030.everyone will will running cars tractors trucks from the era 1990 to 2000 in the coming years as all those are quite good vehicles and no electronics!
Nice one stavros I bet no more v8 after 2030. That’s the death of trucking for me 😢
You better get used to it. Everything is going to be electric eventually.
Why? I drive a G410 that runs on biomethane. It pulls as well as any diesel G410. It doesn't pollute and you don't need gloves to fill up because it's not messy & carcinogenic like diesel. We have to move with the times, I'm afraid. There'll always be a market for high bhp trucks, so Scania will develop engines to comply with the ever changing regulations.
@@Simon-dm8zv
Electric artic truck 😂
@@Robert-cu9bm Yup
Burning methane produces NOx and CO2.
Scania is known for making v8s so I don't think its going away anytime soon. However, I absolutely hate that all engines have become so complicated because of all the emissions equipment mandated by the govts. The last great engine from scania that isn't loaded with electronic crap was the ds14 v8😥 Almost every truck before early 2000s all had different engine configs. as well. MAN had v10s, Merc had v6s and v8 trucks, Renault was using the e9 v8 from Mack, Magirus-Deutz used to make trucks with v12, v10 and v8s, Iveco had the Turbo-Star 17L v8, while Volvo was the only one using an I6 on their top-line trucks. Now, only Tatra makes their air-cooled v8 twin turbo in the 815 for the military. Same thing here in asia, up until late 2014 we still used to get the Scania R500 in euro 3 v8 specs. Now its all straight 6.
You hate having cleaner air to breath?
I hope it will never end
Another great video as usual Stavros! Also how's the fuel consumption of the S 580 now? The last time you said in a video 5 months ago that it was consuming around '19.5 MPG', was it really an error with the trip computer itself that's why it became the 'most economical Scania V8 in Ireland' and did Nolans check it? Cheers and have great Sunday! 😎👍🚛
What a jolly bloke! Stavros lights up the entirety of Ireland with that positive attitude. Subbed!
I just watched a video on the Truck Topia channel about the fldoffetence between engines in US trucks and European trucks.
They say that Scania and MAN will have common engines from late 2024. I don't know where they got their info from though.
They will share some 6 cyl engines, not V8's.
Scania v8 is the biggest seller ( number 1) in New Zealand .. for the last several years ..
I do hope that they keep the V8 and make it compliant to the clean air regulations , that way they can sell them in North America. Also, the engine should not be using so much oil between oil changes hopefully they get to fix that too
CO2 filtering is not an option.
@@astafford8865 Fossil fuels will eventually be replaced by energy storage systems and nuclear. But yes, it will take a while. Damage of renewables is incomparable.
Very lovely... I like the Christmas truck it's amazing. It's also pretty impressive the way they lit up that tractor too but how they get the lights to work while the wheels would be rolling beats me. They probably passed the wires through the wheel hub or something but that is really amazing as well.
May be the lights at the wheel have a battery which is also attached at the wheel.?
@@f.j.kuiper1467 Well who knows, but those lights may use 110v or 220v electricity as it's the UK. However, it looks amazing and very creative for sure. I've never seen anybody do anything like that before so it's marvelous.
Hello mate ....What I heard with my Scania dealer is that Scania will not improve V8 anymore in the future and the last developement on " diesel engine" was just for the new six-on-line and tomorrow the R and D will work on the " clean " engineering : hydrogen, électric ....that's the reason why I 'm happy to have my future behind me ! 59 years old and proud to be owner of my last v8 ....
PS : I have no lessons to give to anyone but I never refill oil till the level is at it minimum ! I always heard that if you give the habbit to refill as soon as it's missing à little bi t of oil, the engine will always ask for refilling ...
P.S 2 : When you think about the price of à v8 ( what ? when you love you don't count ?) , we also wonder who will be able to afford one....even for an owner-driver it will become harder...
Greatings from Brittany, and all the best of course !
They just came out with a completely new V8 lineup
I get the feeling they may drop sales in countries where they aren't sold very often, but they'll just push the harsher and harsher emissions onto the v8's until 2035 (though I think that's going to be pushed back)
Even then, they'll still be making the engines for other markets like Australia (and Canada? Looks like they want to go there?), even then they're still used in Marine applications
V8 is part of Scania DNA
Thanks for the picture today still starstruck 🤟😂
With Traton heavily promoting their new integrated drivetrains, I honestly don't see Scania's V8 lasting past 2026 at the latest. It'll probably get discontinued sooner than most think.
You are wrong. They just come out with a completely new V8 lineup. And they have said that the V8 will remain for a long time. They still sell tons of them here in Scandinavia.
that might not be up to Scania to deside, it is their top of the line but they are in the VW group and what is good for the group is whats going to be done.
Now that the VAG group own Scania alongside MAN which they've owned for a long time, it's only a matter of time before they start to use common components.
Similar to what happened when Volvo Truck bought Renault Trucks, but in that case the components from the premium Volvo trickled down to the less premium Renault, it might be the other way around for MAN/Scania.
It's an obvious business choice for VAG management to standardise parts across both marques, economies of scale will reduce costs and boost profit.
Scania produce their own transmissions where as MAN buy them in from ZF, I can see MAN's switching to Scania transmissions in the future to increase production numbers and reduce the unit cost, it will also reduce the numbers of ZF transmissions produced and potentially push up the cost for other marques that use that transmission (DAF + IVECO), so VAG would reduce costs while pushing costs up for some of their competition!
They will standardise the engines and have one 13 litre range and one higher capacity range, question is will they choose to keep the V8 or use the larger MAN engine (D38?).
They could probably use a lot of the same design if they make them all straight 6's, but I think they will keep the V8 as it's a special market and something that differentiates Scania from the rest, but then if they do choose to stick with the V8 maybe it will be available in a MAN too, or maybe they only sell MAN's with a max 13ltr engine and focus that brand on the fleet market.
It's all about money and profit at the end of the day, the V8 will only survive if it makes business sense to keep it.
Latest man uses the scania 12 speed box, it just says man on the cover but identical. The v8 will probably end as the new 6 cylinder is pretty high powered now but at least 3 to 4 mpg better.
The v8 will survive but maybe with solenoids controlling the overhead gear. The 13 litre definitely won’t be the replacement for the 16.4
Continue to make it , just rename it - Double 4 ecoV
Not a hope scania will stop making the v8
I have a strong suspicion that the V8 will unfortunately die off, and be replaced with either electric powertrain, or hybrid with the 13 liter or maybe a even more downsized engine. We will have to see, the truck manufacturers are already starting to show off some pretty interesting concepts and prototypes for electric truck powertrains.
If DAF uses Paccar mx11 & mx13 engines, why don't they ship to America?
A nuther great video 👍 Stavros have a great Christmas
Hi Stavros I have heard that 2024 will be the end and they will sharing engines with M.A.N I think they already share gearboxes if that is the end of the V8 go out with a bang let's see over 800bhp and 4000lb torque blow everyone away
They will share some 6 cyl, the V8's will still be Scania only.
Damn! That’s a lot of oil to burn. I have 2021 freight liner just crossed 226000 miles never had to put any oil in between oil changes (every 50000 miles)
It's probably not burning it, they leak like a sieve. Once they've a few miles on them the blocks fail around the liner seals
I hope Scania v8 will be with us as long as it can. V8 was Scania flagship. There no better sound like a Scania. Your never late in a V8.
Great video, hope you have a great Christmas.
If they keep the V8, by the time the EU get to a euro 9 or 10 engine, there would have to be so many more filters trying to catch emissions that you'd be constantly on the side of the road waiting for a mobile mechanic!!
Scania has the same pistons/cylinders in all its engines (the same form and dimensions). Scania changes the number of pistons/cylinders (5, 6 and 8 pistons/cylinders).
This means that there is not as much extra testing/cost involved in getting the V8 approved for Euro 7.
We never found out what young Stavros asked for when he sat on Santa's knee. 🎅
I think V8 will still live after 2035, but in the off-highway and marine segments instead.
My R650 couldn't go between services between needing an oil top up. Once i got around the 100k mark it's settled down thank god. haha I dont know why anyone would want the 530. The v8 engine alone adds so much on the tare weight ( i think 1 tonne?) just for 30 hp over a 500? whats the point.500/ 540/560 any day.. But i love the 650. Its gutless if running light but get over 44 tonne onto 50tonne its one hell of a machine. The v8 still feels like its got so much character. I think theyll struggle to get to euro 7 but it's hard. The v8 branding is so strong. out of 13 litres i think it's hard to pick a scania over a volvo in my opinion.
Scania might do a new V8 with DOHC valvetrain & single cyl head, just like the new DC13 Super lineup. They won't give up that easy on their V8.
Probably. The difference engineering wise is minimal and the only added cost and complexity over the straight 6 would be the 2nd head. But they would be able to use all of the same tech, variable valve timing and whatnot on that to widen the powerband. The only real issue is that straight 6's are naturally almost perfectly balanced and you can run a longer stroke easier (better for low RPM power aka torque and efficiency because less cylinder surface area for same displacement so less heat losses). Given Scania is probably running a "modular" platform like most car/vehicle/engine manufacturers now they'll likely use the same basic layout and internal components on both so most of the engineering challenge, apart from the obvious layout difference, would be making the frame and cab fit both engines and a new intake + downpipe situation. Emissions are mostly just how much fuel you use (since the exhaust treatment stuff is all the same anyway) and as long as for cruising at low RPM that isn't much higher than the L6 it wouldn't be hard to meet the regulations.
Really the only reason other manufacturers don't run non L6 layouts anymore is just because they're too lazy/cheap to bother. L6's are cheap and easy to scale and pretty hard to get wrong. It sort of feels like we're headed towards a similar situation as to that of the US, where most truck brands don't bother to do more than the bare minimum. Buy an engine from Paccar/Detroit, use the same unsynchronized fuller box or an ungodly torque converter automatic, and mount all of that on a ladder frame with axles from one of 3 different companies. You can buy new Freightliner's that have the same steering wheel you would've got on an Actros MP2, back when Mercedes were still pushing the pre-selector nonsense. I just hope we don't end up in that situation given trucking is already a hard enough job as is, wouldn't want it getting worse because manufacturers refuse to fix annoyances as companies/drivers will buy them anyway due to a lack of better options.
End of an era
Hi Stavros, Santa was spotted flying through the sky in your video at 16:43-16:44! Top right of the video clip! Happy Christmas from Jack, Tom & Annie!
Would it really be the end for the Scania as a whole though? As far as I know it's basically the same block, with required necessary modifications, that they use in their marine engine range.
so they need to add a bigger 6 cyl in their product line to replace the most powerful v8 variants for high power appllications, something like the volvo FH16
Never . Everyone would be late lol
Your never late in a V8
Be a very sad day if they stop making the Scania V8,being a Mack lover I still haven't got over when that other company that owns Mack stopped making V8,s.
Great vid as usual, I reckon they will do away with the v8 and turn up the wick on the 13 ltr. Gotta get me a pair of them 👢 🤣
€65 For cleaning a truck and trailer. It’s only £25 to £30 north or in England. I don’t think I’ll be going there anytime soon
loved it stavros tour vudeo's always make me smile .
Scania the best!!
Please, Scania, never stop making the V8
They have no choice.
@@Simon-dm8zv They will not stop making the *marine* V8.
@@erkinalp Oh eventually they will as well.
Tears might be shed @scania
I am hoping to watch you driving some american trucks with manual tranny.18 or 13 speed maybe.
Stavros your a bad influence, I have my temporary CDL here in the states and just getting ready to start CDL classes. By this spring I'll be driving a lorry, thank you for helping me get back in to my love for trucks.
Oi Oi are you British or Irish?
Because I’m British and getting ready for the first cdl test.
@@Ravello1111111111111111111 I'm in the USA
@@andrewking2193 as am I. But I need to know your nationality because I’m planing to reclaim the United Sates for the British empire.
Good job
Can't beat the old trucks and that sound I'm not a fan of these new trucks lol can't beat the old bangers they don't make them like that no more
Have a nice day man
love to see your video .... hello from Malaysia
News today that nuclear fusion has been achieved. May take another 50-100 years for that to come in and if not nuclear trucks, it might power up more efficient batteries.
Volvo displacement at 16.1 is not far off Scania 16.4 - are they in the same boat for E7? If downsized with better turbos and electric motors is the trend in cars, then why not trucks.
Stavros - to be coy the development 800 is already mile munching in development - its badges as as a 770
Scania is pretty good at keeping secrets 😂
I hope so.
Blundstone stavros 969 🚛👍
Super
Blundstone stavros 969
With the Scania super line I don't think the V8 is gonna last much longer.
Make a longer video of the 164
feel like its every year that it ends yet every year its still going
That was a nice video Stavros
You’ll have to settle for a 3 cylinder 1 litre eco boost 😂
nice one bro...
Great to see the facial hair gone what a difference that makes. Still love the videos.
Time to return to the good old Cummins big cam then.
Let's speak the V8 please 😅 i dont speak English, i am French sorry 😂❤😊
Hello from Tennessee, can anyone explain to me what the tang term is?
never understood the need for a v8
In US there's no V8.Straight 6 is a better engine anyway😁I have 2013 with Detroit/Mercedes DD15 wich has 881000 miles and doesn't burn any oil,so that tells you about the quality 😁
Well most Scania buyers buy a Scania because of the V8 no??? Why screw up all that $$$$ flow from the V8, it'd be a very big blow to Scania's sales.
Truck wash must be minted then £65 inc vat, 100 trucks a week =6,500 in a week…
GOOD Q , STAVROS!!!??? HAVE A GOOD ONE, THANK YOU ......................
Scania is the best
Newton meters huh.Ireland went kilometres over Great Britain?WTF?Pinkos in charge in Ireland?I guess Scotland’s next .
All the EU uses kilometers.Its a standard metric measurement.Simple to use over imperial as everyone knows 1000 meters is a kilometer,1000kg is a metric tonne and one cubic meter of water weighs 1000kg.
Oh so sad stavros It's a sad news that their V8 engine will be gone, as far as I know there is no Scania V8 Tractor head arrived in in the Philippines even an EUDM, only inline 6.
it as to be but i agree with you :(
If Scania drop the v8 that will be the end of Scania being a popular truck,there six cylinder engine aren't very good and popular.
Net Zero Lunacy Stav.
why do they use oil,you would expect the old tanks to use it but not the newer ones
A lot of cars burn through oil too.
Depends on the design, if you're burning oil you're using less fuel.
@@Robert-cu9bm id rather burn fuel than spend 120k plus on a brand new unit and have it burning oil,surely something not right with it
@@robertdonnelly385
It's entirely normal to burn oil.
@@Robert-cu9bm ok no worries👍
New engines use some oil until they bed in then oil consumption reduces.Once they reach high mileage oil consumption starts to increase again and oil pressure drops as oil leaks past worn mains and big end bearings.
Volvo fh16 is a cheaper alternative to scania v8 gives same performance but cheaper and better fuel economy and cheaper repairs coz repairing scania v8 is a nightmare
Bit old fashioned this way of downloading?We have an automatic download every week.
650 euros per week on washing, not much nowadays
The fact that MAN and scania going to share a engine at around 2024 is sad to hear.
Scania had a unique engine and sound.
The new engine is developed by Scania and is the engine in the Super series.
Euro 7 kills him sad but true
If the end v8 its Scanias going to haven all Swe truck driver only buy Scania fore v8