um...there is always a loss everytime you move energy from one device to another...so why go through so many steps....seems wasteful...first the power plant converts to electricity...then you charge your car then you charge your house with the car....when you couldve just used the grid to begin with and used less energy thereby reducing the amount of fossil fuels that need to be used i do understand in a time of crisis sure...but to use your vehicle to power your home every day is ... 🤷 after all....how do you charge your ev? and why add more things to break down? 🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷
@@Ian-ie3hy I don't think you watched the video at all. We don't need storage for on-demamd fossil fuels. We need it to store energy generated from other sources. Also nobody is talking about powering your house entirely from your vehicle on a regular basis.
@@spacetoast7783 not only were they talking about v2h but they were also talking about v2g...vehicle to grid....did you watch the video? lol.. also i suggest you read up on the current amounts of energy produced in your home country by material weight....here in usa a vast majority of electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels be it coal or oil. do we have some solar and hydro sure....but percentage wise its not even close
Super huge fan of this tech. Excited to see it take off. It's first presence in fleets and busses hadn't occurred to me yet. Thank you for that insight.
Great idea,knowing that our cars are most of the time parked 8hours at work Than maybe plus 10hours at home. This would make ev's so much more efficiënt than ICE vehicles.
Having the option to use electricity from the car for appliances could be useful in emergencies or remote locations. I fail to see the benefit of Vehicle-to-Grid though. Why force EV batteries (that are designed to be light and compact while being able to deliver high power for short periods) to undergo repeated charge/discharge cycles to support the grid? Molten salt batteries or capacitors are probably better options.
@@spacetoast7783 Of course people don't have molten salt batteries now, but seems like they would work well to store energy in a grid that relies on wind and solar energy. My point is that it is more efficient to design something for a specific purpose and get a long service life out of it instead of forcing one technology to fulfil multiple roles.
@@capeorbobserver3903 I totally disagree. Why wouldn't you want to maximize the utility of something you already have? Your vehicle is sitting around doing nothing 95% of the time.
@@spacetoast7783 Same reason you don't use your car's combustion engine to generate electricity. It is not efficient to force a machine into a role it is not designed for.
@@capeorbobserver3903 What?? Batteries are specifically designed to provide electrical energy. And every car on the market uses an engine to generate electricity. What do you think an alternator does?
I wonder for the base MG4 (with LFP battery) how much load it could sustain? I have a MPPT for my solar setup that could take in another source of power so I could use the car's power during the night..
Can you use iron air batteries on your property line and have as much solar as you’d like on your property they keep 10% of the battery power for your home
George: “it’s too early tell what the effects of all that charging and discharging ..“ Wrong George. Yes if this was 2012, maybe so. In 2022, the physical effects are well known, Tesla explained this years ago, and George is wrong. The remaining questions are marketing and PR, ie how much added green cred and sales can a car mfn gather by pushing V2G capable but inferior EVs. What’s with the “V 2 load” is new hype? Plugging in electrical appliances into vehicles has been available in every RV for years, also some trucks and cars, and with much more run time than a day or two.
@@spacetoast7783 ??? No stock EVs have V2G, and it’s unlikely any large scale V2G will happen at all, for very well known reasons. Engineers know exactly the potential effect on their EVs, both in terms of what equipment must be added to the car and to the grid connection to do safe V2G, and the lifecycle impact of discharging to the grid while idle, with no air stream etc. Just because neither you nor “George” do not technically understand the issue does not mean nobody does, an arrogant position.
@@spacetoast7783 Mad? LoL. Anybody that calls you on fanboy BS must be all torqued up, something wrong with them? Sorry, this is the internet, not your private parade.
Volkswagen announced this year that all their cars will have V2H ability. With European energy supply situation so tight its seems to be the next logical evolution in vehicle technology to have a bidirectional home charging system.
Also, Volkswagen announced its diesel cars met all the air pollution requirements, a lie that almost ended Volkswagen. There is no way to run a modern grid with all its reliability requirements by using vehicle batteries of unknown availability, age, charge level. Why is this so hard to understand? VW is hyping V2G to once again convince buyers they can get something for doing nothing of value.
I think homes should have roof mount solar canopies. They won’t leave for 25 years. They have to replace the solar panels, Form energy, batteries, iron air, batteries be placed in your property line or someone on your property is it made for consumers?
Of course, it's a no-brainer. If the battery has sufficient energy to transport two tons of car, people, and baggage two hundred miles, it has enough energy to provide household heat, light, power, and a few appliances.
Great idea. Even better would be if decentralized power production (like home solar panel) system feedback was made economically viable. Where I live in Europe what the company pays for that part barely pays for the solar panel price
Why should a power company pay you anything at all? Any utility can make clean power far more cheaply, more reliably, and using less resources than some roof rig ever will. It’s like growing some half assed vegetables in your backyard garden, when don’t kill them because you’re no farmer, then going to the grocery and saying never mind that professional farmer, buy my junk instead.
@@Nill757 Any utility can make clean power far more cheaply - yes, but governments still subsidize carbohydrates and there has been a very slow growth in the sector and we are running out of time. if small scale solar power production is viable then we need to push all possibilities. furthermore a decentralized network is far less susceptible to system outages in crisis. EVs connected to such a network can start working as 'pre-built' storage units for excess power created during the day. This is another approach. I think the reasons for not pushing in this way are more political than economical. such solutions can only be implemented in certain areas, mid to small size cities and in areas where solar is viable. the company buying back excess power, yeah I get that it doesn't make economic sense unless they pay less for that power. we all know however that change from fossil fuels is costly and we are doing it because we have to not because we want to. that means it's a cost and power companies have to take their part the same as governments and individuals. as for your food production parallel: no, it's not like that at all.
@@Llkc60 “food production … no it’s not like that at all ..,” Strong argument. Might as well have said nah nah boo boo. I’ll translate your babble. You have no idea about the size and scope of energy production, and won’t bother to learn. You just like seeing a lower utility bill. You none the less have a sense that you’re somehow getting a discount for doing nothing, and so you adopt the ‘I’m doing my part to save the world persona’, and won’t hear any nay saying or instruction to the contrary. EV batteries as backup? Please.
@@Nill757 I bring up arguments you attack me based on presumptions and (stereotypes? - nah, you need knowledge for that). U came to the wrong place to pick pointless discussions
@@Llkc60 Please. You don’t bring up “arguments” You assert repeatedly what you want, and what you simply claim to be true, w no evidence about anything. Might as well have said a nice pony will provide clean energy, and only politics is stopping you from getting one.
One way this could work if you have every electric vehicle in the United States, have swappable batteries that you lease and you also charge it traditionally, the electric car
I would prefer for energy batteries on my property as many as I could hold where I would like them that I could have as much solar and buy power and the demand then sell back at high demand so you want to buy the most form energy batteries you can
Manufactures gona void warranty, because this kind of battery usage gona degrade battery capacity in skyrocking speeds, and imagine using v2g gor 1year gona loose your battery capacity 30proc...
The Nissan Leaf has v2x from the start @ 3.3kw if you had x2 of them could you get 6.6kw cheapest ev home battery on wheels , oh it can do it with a bidirectional charger and they have open source battery's seaports to Lytham ion phosphate battery's too. Hmm the good old cheap Nissan leaf strikes again
V2G definitely not! Although it sounds great in principle it's not. It's just another rip-off money spinner scheme to fleece the public even more than they do currently. The power companies get a very cheap large capacity storage facility for free saving them tons of money at our expense. First we have to buy the energy from them at full tariff to charge the car and some of that expensive energy is wasted in the process, plus it's an extra charge cycle on the car. Then they take back some of that energy to the grid and pay a lower rate for it, which wastes more energy that we will have to absorb. Then we have to recharge our vehicle at full tariff to get back to square one. On a business basis we buy a battery charge and absorb the conversion loss. Next we store that charge (a service) and let them buy some back whenever it is convenient to them. We now make a bill up that pays for our overhead, our service, depreciation contribution, an inconvenience charge and a tariff that makes us a significant profit, thus making the project worth our while. Do you think the power companies would agree to that? I think they might but whatever it costs will be placed back onto the public with increased cost on the original supply and if the public don't accept it they'll make it compulsory.
Lithium battery is degrading the more amps u put it thrue.. thmore you use it, the more capacity it looses... stop bulshiting about saving money, because it will wear down as fast as in 2 3 years...
@@spacetoast7783 “The General” OP contends he would use diesel gensets to run his house, business, I suppose he means when his PV is not available. EVs don’t have anything to do with it, except add much to the charging load if at home.
It could theoretically work. Since peak demand is generally 5-9 pm, that leaves most of the overnight hours when electricity usage and rates are lower to recharge the vehicles for use by morning.
I am a heavy electricity user with many fridges(5, a few for beer brewing) and I ran AC all night last night and my overnight use was 15.26kWh. That was what I pulled from the grid after my solar stopped supplying power until the next day when it provided all power needed again. For my Ford Mach-E, that equates to driving ~42mi and was 17% of my EV battery. That could have easily been recharged again by excess solar I normally send to the grid. EV batteries are designed to be used much harder than what a house would need - on 1 single day I put about 600mi/164kWh into my car going through TX & OK. An EV battery can handle 15kWh extra per day no problem.
Woah where did this number can from. According to the us energy information administration the average household uses 10 kWh, Hawaii has the lowest at 6.5 kWh per day and Louisiana has 14.47 kWh per day. Personally my house uses 12 kWh (yes I drive an electric car so that increases my consumption
@@landysok90 Nah not an apartments it’s your standard 3 bedroom house. We use star rated appliances, electric water heater, turn off lights . Been looking at solar but too pricey rn. But the average home in the US is 10kwh. My energy bill by Duke says that the average client in my county is 8kwh a day
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Would you ever consider using Vehicle to Grid?
Might as well. 99% of the time, I'm driving less than 80 miles per day. If I know I have a long trip coming up, I can turn off V2G.
um...there is always a loss everytime you move energy from one device to another...so why go through so many steps....seems wasteful...first the power plant converts to electricity...then you charge your car then you charge your house with the car....when you couldve just used the grid to begin with and used less energy thereby reducing the amount of fossil fuels that need to be used
i do understand in a time of crisis sure...but to use your vehicle to power your home every day is ... 🤷
after all....how do you charge your ev? and why add more things to break down? 🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷
@@Ian-ie3hy I don't think you watched the video at all. We don't need storage for on-demamd fossil fuels. We need it to store energy generated from other sources. Also nobody is talking about powering your house entirely from your vehicle on a regular basis.
@@spacetoast7783 not only were they talking about v2h but they were also talking about v2g...vehicle to grid....did you watch the video? lol..
also i suggest you read up on the current amounts of energy produced in your home country by material weight....here in usa a vast majority of electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels be it coal or oil. do we have some solar and hydro sure....but percentage wise its not even close
Absolutely.
Super huge fan of this tech. Excited to see it take off. It's first presence in fleets and busses hadn't occurred to me yet. Thank you for that insight.
2024 and ive got a vw id5 and v2g is now ready to go now.
Great idea,knowing that our cars are most of the time parked
8hours at work
Than maybe plus 10hours at home.
This would make ev's so much more efficiënt than ICE vehicles.
Could we do the same thing with Iron air batteries on private property using solar
Having the option to use electricity from the car for appliances could be useful in emergencies or remote locations.
I fail to see the benefit of Vehicle-to-Grid though. Why force EV batteries (that are designed to be light and compact while being able to deliver high power for short periods) to undergo repeated charge/discharge cycles to support the grid? Molten salt batteries or capacitors are probably better options.
How many people have idle molten salt batteries lying around their house?
@@spacetoast7783 Of course people don't have molten salt batteries now, but seems like they would work well to store energy in a grid that relies on wind and solar energy.
My point is that it is more efficient to design something for a specific purpose and get a long service life out of it instead of forcing one technology to fulfil multiple roles.
@@capeorbobserver3903 I totally disagree. Why wouldn't you want to maximize the utility of something you already have? Your vehicle is sitting around doing nothing 95% of the time.
@@spacetoast7783 Same reason you don't use your car's combustion engine to generate electricity. It is not efficient to force a machine into a role it is not designed for.
@@capeorbobserver3903 What?? Batteries are specifically designed to provide electrical energy. And every car on the market uses an engine to generate electricity. What do you think an alternator does?
Form energy has come out with the battery that is competitive with traditional power generation, they’ve just started in Georgia on a project
I wonder for the base MG4 (with LFP battery) how much load it could sustain? I have a MPPT for my solar setup that could take in another source of power so I could use the car's power during the night..
I own EV’s, Solar, and Tesla powerwall. I sell excess to the grid. I save $500/month on gas and home electricity
Could we have swappable batteries, on our cars due to the charging recharge
Can you use iron air batteries on your property line and have as much solar as you’d like on your property they keep 10% of the battery power for your home
Would renewable generators pay you for energy storage too?
Could form energy, iron air batteries be sold to consumers from your solar supplier
George: “it’s too early tell what the effects of all that charging and discharging ..“
Wrong George.
Yes if this was 2012, maybe so. In 2022, the physical effects are well known, Tesla explained this years ago, and George is wrong. The remaining questions are marketing and PR, ie how much added green cred and sales can a car mfn gather by pushing V2G capable but inferior EVs.
What’s with the “V 2 load” is new hype? Plugging in electrical appliances into vehicles has been available in every RV for years, also some trucks and cars, and with much more run time than a day or two.
Tesla's don't have V2G or V2H at all lol. You're confident and wrong. Amazing.
@@spacetoast7783 ??? No stock EVs have V2G, and it’s unlikely any large scale V2G will happen at all, for very well known reasons.
Engineers know exactly the potential effect on their EVs, both in terms of what equipment must be added to the car and to the grid connection to do safe V2G, and the lifecycle impact of discharging to the grid while idle, with no air stream etc. Just because neither you nor “George” do not technically understand the issue does not mean nobody does, an arrogant position.
@@Nill757 Well I'm glad you suddenly see it my way. I don't know why you're so mad.
@@spacetoast7783 Mad? LoL. Anybody that calls you on fanboy BS must be all torqued up, something wrong with them? Sorry, this is the internet, not your private parade.
@@Nill757 You're totally not mad dude. I can tell by the way you started throwing insults for no reason at all.
Volkswagen announced this year that all their cars will have V2H ability. With European energy supply situation so tight its seems to be the next logical evolution in vehicle technology to have a bidirectional home charging system.
Also, Volkswagen announced its diesel cars met all the air pollution requirements, a lie that almost ended Volkswagen.
There is no way to run a modern grid with all its reliability requirements by using vehicle batteries of unknown availability, age, charge level. Why is this so hard to understand?
VW is hyping V2G to once again convince buyers they can get something for doing nothing of value.
True, but it is now very silent around this for a few months. A new CEO,, let's see if it comes, but I really hope so.
I think homes should have roof mount solar canopies. They won’t leave for 25 years. They have to replace the solar panels,
Form energy, batteries, iron air, batteries be placed in your property line or someone on your property is it made for consumers?
Zaptec . Lets go Zaptec Go 2!
Of course, it's a no-brainer. If the battery has sufficient energy to transport two tons of car, people, and baggage two hundred miles, it has enough energy to provide household heat, light, power, and a few appliances.
We need form energy, iron air batteries for consumer use then we have rooftop mount, solar, canopies, and much more solar on our properties
Great idea. Even better would be if decentralized power production (like home solar panel) system feedback was made economically viable. Where I live in Europe what the company pays for that part barely pays for the solar panel price
Why should a power company pay you anything at all? Any utility can make clean power far more cheaply, more reliably, and using less resources than some roof rig ever will. It’s like growing some half assed vegetables in your backyard garden, when don’t kill them because you’re no farmer, then going to the grocery and saying never mind that professional farmer, buy my junk instead.
@@Nill757 Any utility can make clean power far more cheaply - yes, but governments still subsidize carbohydrates and there has been a very slow growth in the sector and we are running out of time. if small scale solar power production is viable then we need to push all possibilities. furthermore a decentralized network is far less susceptible to system outages in crisis. EVs connected to such a network can start working as 'pre-built' storage units for excess power created during the day. This is another approach. I think the reasons for not pushing in this way are more political than economical. such solutions can only be implemented in certain areas, mid to small size cities and in areas where solar is viable.
the company buying back excess power, yeah I get that it doesn't make economic sense unless they pay less for that power. we all know however that change from fossil fuels is costly and we are doing it because we have to not because we want to. that means it's a cost and power companies have to take their part the same as governments and individuals.
as for your food production parallel: no, it's not like that at all.
@@Llkc60 “food production … no it’s not like that at all ..,”
Strong argument. Might as well have said nah nah boo boo.
I’ll translate your babble. You have no idea about the size and scope of energy production, and won’t bother to learn. You just like seeing a lower utility bill. You none the less have a sense that you’re somehow getting a discount for doing nothing, and so you adopt the ‘I’m doing my part to save the world persona’, and won’t hear any nay saying or instruction to the contrary. EV batteries as backup? Please.
@@Nill757 I bring up arguments you attack me based on presumptions and (stereotypes? - nah, you need knowledge for that). U came to the wrong place to pick pointless discussions
@@Llkc60 Please. You don’t bring up
“arguments” You assert repeatedly what you want, and what you simply claim to be true, w no evidence about anything. Might as well have said a nice pony will provide clean energy, and only politics is stopping you from getting one.
V2G has existed in Australia and Japan for years. - Gen Z
Tesla said you loose warranty if you use tesla to power the house
One way this could work if you have every electric vehicle in the United States, have swappable batteries that you lease and you also charge it traditionally, the electric car
Hope figure out another material other than lithium
Solid state batteries, but the issue now isn't lithium, it's cobalt.
I would prefer for energy batteries on my property as many as I could hold where I would like them that I could have as much solar and buy power and the demand then sell back at high demand so you want to buy the most form energy batteries you can
The onboard computer can't stop you from using the battery charger to power your house
What do you think about every electric vehicle in the United States is able to be charged overnight or battery swapped
Manufactures gona void warranty, because this kind of battery usage gona degrade battery capacity in skyrocking speeds, and imagine using v2g gor 1year gona loose your battery capacity 30proc...
The Nissan Leaf has v2x from the start @ 3.3kw if you had x2 of them could you get 6.6kw cheapest ev home battery on wheels , oh it can do it with a bidirectional charger and they have open source battery's seaports to Lytham ion phosphate battery's too. Hmm the good old cheap Nissan leaf strikes again
If this becomes affordable, I would get off-grid.
V2G definitely not! Although it sounds great in principle it's not. It's just another rip-off money spinner scheme to fleece the public even more than they do currently. The power companies get a very cheap large capacity storage facility for free saving them tons of money at our expense. First we have to buy the energy from them at full tariff to charge the car and some of that expensive energy is wasted in the process, plus it's an extra charge cycle on the car. Then they take back some of that energy to the grid and pay a lower rate for it, which wastes more energy that we will have to absorb. Then we have to recharge our vehicle at full tariff to get back to square one. On a business basis we buy a battery charge and absorb the conversion loss. Next we store that charge (a service) and let them buy some back whenever it is convenient to them. We now make a bill up that pays for our overhead, our service, depreciation contribution, an inconvenience charge and a tariff that makes us a significant profit, thus making the project worth our while. Do you think the power companies would agree to that? I think they might but whatever it costs will be placed back onto the public with increased cost on the original supply and if the public don't accept it they'll make it compulsory.
Build Better Batteries
Form Energy has successfully developed the battery that is competitive with traditional power generation
Oh hell no you will not use my $100,000 truck or car for v2 anything.
I like Jennifer
Swappable batteries
V2L- things that are normally plugged in.
Don't you think everything needs to be plugged in? 😂
Yes, I'm sure he thinks that rocks and trees need to be plugged in.
It's for fake apocalypse
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Lithium battery is degrading the more amps u put it thrue.. thmore you use it, the more capacity it looses... stop bulshiting about saving money, because it will wear down as fast as in 2 3 years...
Diesel is cheap. A Diesel generator will be hard to beat.
Not cheap compared to utility power, esp in Europe. And if you run one constantly next to me with all the noise and pollution we are going have words.
So? EV owners already have an EV. They don't usually have a diesel generator lying around.
@@spacetoast7783 “The General” OP contends he would use diesel gensets to run his house, business, I suppose he means when his PV is not available. EVs don’t have anything to do with it, except add much to the charging load if at home.
Yes, it can, but the EV will need a full charge again in the morning, so it's pointless.
It could theoretically work. Since peak demand is generally 5-9 pm, that leaves most of the overnight hours when electricity usage and rates are lower to recharge the vehicles for use by morning.
Bro how much energy do you use in a day? Most of these cars have several days worth of energy for the average family of four.
Wow dude, maybe actually watch the video for real next time.
I am a heavy electricity user with many fridges(5, a few for beer brewing) and I ran AC all night last night and my overnight use was 15.26kWh. That was what I pulled from the grid after my solar stopped supplying power until the next day when it provided all power needed again. For my Ford Mach-E, that equates to driving ~42mi and was 17% of my EV battery. That could have easily been recharged again by excess solar I normally send to the grid. EV batteries are designed to be used much harder than what a house would need - on 1 single day I put about 600mi/164kWh into my car going through TX & OK. An EV battery can handle 15kWh extra per day no problem.
An average household of 5 uses 20-30kwh per day. I dont understand their math.
This what im saying
Woah where did this number can from. According to the us energy information administration the average household uses 10 kWh, Hawaii has the lowest at 6.5 kWh per day and Louisiana has 14.47 kWh per day. Personally my house uses 12 kWh (yes I drive an electric car so that increases my consumption
@@Halo47143 I'm running solar power and my whole home can be monitored via app. I use on average 30kwh a day. 10kwh??? Maybe in an apartment
@@Halo47143 I need to switch to whatever it is that you're doing to only use 10kwh a day
@@landysok90 Nah not an apartments it’s your standard 3 bedroom house. We use star rated appliances, electric water heater, turn off lights . Been looking at solar but too pricey rn. But the average home in the US is 10kwh. My energy bill by Duke says that the average client in my county is 8kwh a day
Stupid idea. In a natural diaster, I would rather keep my car fully changed in case I need to evacuate.
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