bonking is like a car running out of fuel, it does'nt matter if its a top of the range super car or a family hatch, it will stop. its the same with the human body, super athlete or club cyclist, no fuel no go.
It's amazing that Armstrong didn't lose more time than 1 min 30, this is a testament to Lance's courage and spirit and Johan Bruyneel's tactical pacing. I can see why Bruyneel is so strongly against a radio ban.
The amazing thing about this climb is that Armstrong bonking up the Joux Plane was still 32 seconds faster than Floyd Landis’ superhero impersonation up this same col in 2006, according to chronoswatts
Even without EPO they're still the fittest athletes in the World. There are more dope tests in cycling, perhaps if other sports had the same stringent tests then more would be caught, but I repeat they're still the fittest. Have you ever raced a bike? I doubt it
Lance Armstrong is the greatest athlete to ever walk the Earth, Period. He had cancer, and made an amazing come back. He never ever ever failed a drug test. Is your life so pathetic that you go around calling heroic athletes cheats? It is easy to play the blame game my friend
Lance forgot to get enough carbs. Its that easy. Some low carb morons would say 'hey, Lance should have eaten a 4lb steak at the start of climb so he had enough fats to keep powering at 6.3 watts per kg!!..' Face palm.
The speed they get up hills is awesome, I want to try train my hill climbing abilities so I can get faster, and just generally train to get better but have no idea how to start lol, I dream of cruising around at 25+mph, best I can do is 19mph over a 18mile loop cruising.
Wonder if they guy who crashed was a bit bonked too. Didn't seem to notice that bend coming up, just drove straight into the barrier with eyes glazed over. Been there, done that...
Bonking doesn't mean you just collapse, it just means you're hypoglycemic. If you're actually a good cyclist you can keep going for ages after a "bonk" even though you might think you need to lay down.
Rasmussen didnt use doping. He was knock out because of disciplinarry mistake, that he didnt tell UCI where he was training in mid-june. And then just one man spoke that he was training in Dolomiti-Alps in Italy not in Mexico and everyone believed in it and that is why he was knock out of his team and Tour.
"get a life," FYI, I'm majoring in the medical field and I have to keep saying, its total crap that Lance gets all this credit he deserves from ignorants, MILLIONs of them.
Anyone who watched him win the '93 world championships knew he was destined for greatness. he spanked Indurain, Chiapucci, and a number of other greats. That fact might extend past your limited grasp of the sports history though.
@bampie1 Lance was simply meticulous and careful and had a LOT of luck on his side. Same luck with him being able to do all the tours without any significant injury.
You need ATLEAST a 98 VO2 max on the bike in order to win the Tour de France for SURE. You need to hold about 6.5 watts/kilo for 1-hour all out Funtional threshold power. For Lance, fully-doped he must be at 470 watts or so for an hour strait. Totally clean he has no better than 370... 5.1 at best un-doped. There are lots of guys that can get that!
Did I talk about VO2 max on this vid? Lance was tested MANY times during his career. 62, 71, 81.2 was the ranges trained-fully trained and un-doped. He was tested several times in late 1999 and the highest he could get (like picking your highest golf score) was 81.2. Lance's competely un-doped VO2 max potential is probably 78-80 and its less now for sure.
Lance is a star! To be ready to race and win seven years in a row is fantastic! Then to take 3 1/2 years off, come back and beat all of last years top guys is the real deal! Lance said those guys last year were sad...and he proved it this year!
Lance can still dope with his own blood, and use EPO and Oxygen transportation. Their are many different firms and product options: Alliance Pharmaceuticals Inc. Biopure Corp. BioTime Inc. Hemosol Corp. JP Laboratories Inc. Northfield Laboratories Novo Nordisk A/S Perftoran Sanguine Corp. Synthetic Blood International Transkaryotic Therapies Inc
Too Funny. Just like George. I admit, Im amused. Ive seen him in concert several times. He is a riot. We all need someone to laugh at! We look in awe at Lance and laugh at George. I stand corrected, he is good for something! Profiling....Dont ,i repeat ...dont quit your day job....You do work right?
The man LIED! He BROKE his word to the team and said he was in Mexico when he was in Italy. If it was a mistake, then the team would have backed him and the passport records would say the same. He LIED and that is poor form and un-professional.
I can sustain that power as a 180 lb cyclist and can spike many more watts than lance..uh.. briefly. I cannot sustain that for as long as he does. If i did id be in the pro peloton and would be in contention for Major tours. What he does is Astronomical. The requirement on the human body to do that is "unbelieveable". I have no doubt that he is the best athletes in the world.
Anyways, my favorite is Marion Jones. She had the same empty denials as Lance, "never tested positive." She got tested MORE than lance. She had 165 passed tests before she admitted. She used EPO(like Lance) she used HGH, and IGF-1, and she was using the designer steriods.
....as was Coppi, Anquitel, Simpson, Merckx, et al. I won't condemn them for it. It is what it is. I'm glad they're making progress against doping, but I know for a fact that while EPO use is down, even the American women's circuit has a large number of riders who take estrogen blocker and hormone therapy. Even with all the doping, it's still the best sport in the world....next to hockey
ARe you a doctor? Do you know Mr. Armstrong or his doctors? Have you seen the scars on his head from the hole they opened during the operation? What prompts someone like you to say things to and about people you don't know and have never met? What hole do you live in where you make this stuff up? Lead, Follow or get out of the way!
fools who watched this and knew nothing about cycling would say this happened cos he was unfit or something but its clear that he has obviously not eaten or hydrated correctly on this day, given the massive amount of carbs cyclists need.
Rumsas, never had a positive, his wife was found with hundreds of vials in the trunk. Lance shared his podium with Rumsas in 2002. Many of Lance's former teamates all either admitted or went positive: People like Andreau, Hamilton, Heras, Jochim.
@Srbabiruso To be honest I would be suprised if he had cheated , only because of the number of times he was tested and was found to be clean. I just find it incredible that if he was doping how did he get away with it. One athlete could not get away with it for that length of time and never get caught in my opinion. Also consider this, he never once failed to give a sample for testing when required unlike other top athletes I could mention.
Lance Armstrong is a superb athlete, simple. But one thing that gets me is the way he throws money at lawyers to cloud the issue, and undermine everyone and anyone who casts doubt on his reputation. Innocent men don't throw millions of dollars at greedy fuckin lawyers. That's what rich, egotistical bullies who think they can buy their way out of any problem do. That's my problem with Armstrong.
@bampie1 give me a break. Floyd Landis admitted using PEDs and only got "caught" after 2006. He started using once he joined postal and he was tested god so many times as well. It's the same tune with every other rider who has been "caught"; they were users for years and years. There's ways to cheat around ANY test given time after time the same way.
Armstrong skipped the food station and that was the cause of his fainting,the technical name is hypoglycemia.There isn't any drug that can fight this,if you don't eat you don't go.
5.5 hours in the lead pack in a TdF mountain stage at 160 pounds... Probably normalized at around 320 watts atleast! Someone can sustain like 90% of 1-hour power for like 5 hours though. So technically, someone with an FTP of 350 or so at 160 pounds could keep up for the whole thing until the last climb obviously. Thats if they used the whole road on the decents though! I mean, really risky stuff in the corners to catch back up after being dropped on every climb...
When Lance Armstrong started campaigning for socialized medicine and raising taxes (Measure 50) in Oregon, he crossed the wrong line. For that I say SCREW Lance Armstrong. Stay out of Oregon and our politics!
@seanreid1970 Well it doesn't make him any less a cheater. Everybody was cheating. The sport was/is diseased. What amazes me is that some people are able to convince themselves that Lance was totally clean the entire time he was dominating the best cyclists in the world who happened to be sticking a needles in their asses every 5 minutes. If there was no such thing as doping then Lance's achievements would be incredible. But in light of all the revelations, it downright impossible.
wouldnt really call it a bonk, still managed to stay near the front and he was well in front overall anyway, dont think he would have been that concerned probably brushed it off as one of those days.
I hate it that the UCI wont crack down heavily.... Cycling talent isnt winning this stuff anymore for the last 18 years or so... Super-respondance to drug-therepy and being, "hooked up!" How f-d up is that?! When I heard Lance was coming back that really burned coal on the fire.
Lol he have back about 3 mins to Ullrich i think. Thanks to Pantani. Armstrong let him win and he becomes rude, then they quarrel then Pantani says "Im gonna blow thew tour" and made every1 bonk
LOL, its nore like a bird/ angel. I can tell you from being apart of Pro cycling for decades, that the wierdest sorts come out in the most outlandish costumes. Freekish behavior isnt only constrained to the NFL.
lance won a lot more races than only the tour,dont forget he was world champion in 93...he as more discipline than everybody else and that is the main key in cycling...
bonking is like a car running out of fuel, it does'nt matter if its a top of the range super car or a family hatch, it will stop.
its the same with the human body, super athlete or club cyclist, no fuel no go.
It's amazing that Armstrong didn't lose more time than 1 min 30, this is a testament to Lance's courage and spirit and Johan Bruyneel's tactical pacing. I can see why Bruyneel is so strongly against a radio ban.
He missed his EPO shot that day😂
The amazing thing about this climb is that Armstrong bonking up the Joux Plane was still 32 seconds faster than Floyd Landis’ superhero impersonation up this same col in 2006, according to chronoswatts
I really do miss drugs. Cycling used to be great.
If it weren't for the money aspect of it, I would have no problem with ped's being legal since nearly everyone's ready on em
Nothing better than watching Bjarne Riis in ‘96 flying up Hautecam in the big ring. That was something to see.
Don’t worry bro! It’s still going on!
You’re naive if you think it’s not!
@@MrSteveblue824 did you guys see this year's tour. This is reminiscent of years past.
Don’t worry, they are all still drugged
Ah, the good ol days. The tour was so much more exciting back then.
Lance missed his EPO shot that day😂
Yeah, it's only Lance who's doping. Marco Pantani, Jan Ullrich, Robert Harris are making those power outputs with apple juice and rice.
We know everyone was doing it, but is the manner in which Armstrong conducted himself that brings all the hate.
you know it doesn't even matter if he cheated or not. The good thing is the sport is getting clean. Old generation out, new generation in
All things being equal.. it was all equal what great racing!
Holy fuck, he sprinted while bonked. I dont want to know how much that gotta hurt.
Even without EPO they're still the fittest athletes in the World. There are more dope tests in cycling, perhaps if other sports had the same stringent tests then more would be caught, but I repeat they're still the fittest. Have you ever raced a bike? I doubt it
Correct
GRANDE LANCE
HE IS BACK
Awesome footage!
It just gets me excited ad in the mood for racing and for trainning harder.
Though I need to rest hard too.
:P
Lance Armstrong is the greatest athlete to ever walk the Earth, Period. He had cancer, and made an amazing come back. He never ever ever failed a drug test. Is your life so pathetic that you go around calling heroic athletes cheats? It is easy to play the blame game my friend
How do you feel about the biggest ever fraud & cheat in cycling history 'now' ?
Froome did this today. Doesn't matter if you're clean or doped. If you forget to eat, you bonk hard.
Stonemeister i always beat myself up after a bonk ride. Its embarassing but everyone experiences it at some time
we all need are lanceness
Lance forgot to get enough carbs. Its that easy. Some low carb morons would say 'hey, Lance should have eaten a 4lb steak at the start of climb so he had enough fats to keep powering at 6.3 watts per kg!!..'
Face palm.
courage is the codeword for dope
They didn't use EPO in 2000! He forgot to take his blood bag, get it right...
lol
This wasn't due to transfusion; it was because he didn't eat enough.
The speed they get up hills is awesome, I want to try train my hill climbing abilities so I can get faster, and just generally train to get better but have no idea how to start lol, I dream of cruising around at 25+mph, best I can do is 19mph over a 18mile loop cruising.
Sprint up hills/sprint workouts and long rides
Wonder if they guy who crashed was a bit bonked too. Didn't seem to notice that bend coming up, just drove straight into the barrier with eyes glazed over. Been there, done that...
Lance headed straight back to the team bus to add more red blood cells to his blood.
Bonking doesn't mean you just collapse, it just means you're hypoglycemic. If you're actually a good cyclist you can keep going for ages after a "bonk" even though you might think you need to lay down.
Crazy. We'll see you in the tour next year then? I'll bet those six hours a day will save you going up Alpe D'Huez.
Rasmussen didnt use doping. He was knock out because of disciplinarry mistake, that he didnt tell UCI where he was training in mid-june. And then just one man spoke that he was training in Dolomiti-Alps in Italy not in Mexico and everyone believed in it and that is why he was knock out of his team and Tour.
bonk? ha! I wish i could ride that fast uphill after I bonk.
dude ,, this sport is hardcore,,,,
whether or not he doped, he had a very strong mental resolve. the mind controls the body, it can make you do amaziong things.
When you Bonk, you are done!!!!
Lance missed his EPO injection.
"get a life,"
FYI, I'm majoring in the medical field and I have to keep saying, its total crap that Lance gets all this credit he deserves from ignorants, MILLIONs of them.
Anyone who watched him win the '93 world championships knew he was destined for greatness. he spanked Indurain, Chiapucci, and a number of other greats. That fact might extend past your limited grasp of the sports history though.
That's right man ooooldmaaan
Cant be classed as a full bonk. Hes putting some numbers out
“This man from Germany is riding on courage”
Lmao he was doped like Lance Armstrong lol
Vive le Lance !!!!!
He probably forgot his EPO that day
@seanreid1970 Uhm, Armstrong's 1999 tests were retested recently and contained EPO.
@bampie1 Lance was simply meticulous and careful and had a LOT of luck on his side. Same luck with him being able to do all the tours without any significant injury.
You need ATLEAST a 98 VO2 max on the bike in order to win the Tour de France for SURE. You need to hold about 6.5 watts/kilo for 1-hour all out Funtional threshold power.
For Lance, fully-doped he must be at 470 watts or so for an hour strait.
Totally clean he has no better than 370... 5.1 at best un-doped. There are lots of guys that can get that!
Did I talk about VO2 max on this vid?
Lance was tested MANY times during his career. 62, 71, 81.2 was the ranges trained-fully trained and un-doped. He was tested several times in late 1999 and the highest he could get (like picking your highest golf score) was 81.2.
Lance's competely un-doped VO2 max potential is probably 78-80 and its less now for sure.
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Lance is a star! To be ready to race and win seven years in a row is fantastic! Then to take 3 1/2 years off, come back and beat all of last years top guys is the real deal! Lance said those guys last year were sad...and he proved it this year!
Aha
Yeah, just replied to an ignoramus that doesn't understand that. Even without dope these guys are the fittest athletes
lance is awesome, leave the drugs and media out of it, he is still pretty cool! No one else can win tour de france 7 times?
EPO for ever
Sup
Lance can still dope with his own blood, and use EPO and Oxygen transportation.
Their are many different firms and product options:
Alliance Pharmaceuticals Inc.
Biopure Corp.
BioTime Inc.
Hemosol Corp.
JP Laboratories Inc.
Northfield Laboratories
Novo Nordisk A/S
Perftoran
Sanguine Corp.
Synthetic Blood International
Transkaryotic Therapies Inc
He as tired, he took a fringale, he didn't eat enought before the last climb.
Yeah, I think I read somewhere that the top TDF people ride close to 20,000 miles a year or something crazy lol
True, Eddy Merckx is made out of steel to break so many cycling records. He is better known as the best cyclist who lived on earth.
NEED MORE EPO.
Too Funny. Just like George. I admit, Im amused. Ive seen him in concert several times. He is a riot. We all need someone to laugh at!
We look in awe at Lance and laugh at George. I stand corrected, he is good for something!
Profiling....Dont ,i repeat ...dont quit your day job....You do work right?
The man LIED! He BROKE his word to the team and said he was in Mexico when he was in Italy. If it was a mistake, then the team would have backed him and the passport records would say the same. He LIED and that is poor form and un-professional.
Let me guess, you're a Lance Pharmstrong apologist?!!
@bampie1 Luck and well planned? Howcome Lance never crashed with severe injuries to take him out of the Tour when so many other top riders did?
I can sustain that power as a 180 lb cyclist and can spike many more watts than lance..uh.. briefly. I cannot sustain that for as long as he does. If i did id be in the pro peloton and would be in contention for Major tours. What he does is Astronomical. The requirement on the human body to do that is "unbelieveable". I have no doubt that he is the best athletes in the world.
It's not the first time. In his very first pro race in Europe he finished Dead last.
Lance won, he pwns anyone in cycling...EVER
@oldtwins I don't understand your point. Are you saying there is something suspicious because he never crashed?
Anyways, my favorite is Marion Jones.
She had the same empty denials as Lance, "never tested positive." She got tested MORE than lance. She had 165 passed tests before she admitted.
She used EPO(like Lance) she used HGH, and IGF-1, and she was using the designer steriods.
if this was andy schleck he'd expect the others to wait
....as was Coppi, Anquitel, Simpson, Merckx, et al. I won't condemn them for it. It is what it is. I'm glad they're making progress against doping, but I know for a fact that while EPO use is down, even the American women's circuit has a large number of riders who take estrogen blocker and hormone therapy. Even with all the doping, it's still the best sport in the world....next to hockey
So, seanreid can you tell me exactly when Marco Pantani failed a drug test and what substance he tested positive for?
ARe you a doctor? Do you know Mr. Armstrong or his doctors? Have you seen the scars on his head from the hole they opened during the operation? What prompts someone like you to say things to and about people you don't know and have never met? What hole do you live in where you make this stuff up? Lead, Follow or get out of the way!
So when you bonk with epo you can still go, right?
fools who watched this and knew nothing about cycling would say this happened cos he was unfit or something but its clear that he has obviously not eaten or hydrated correctly on this day, given the massive amount of carbs cyclists need.
Indurain won tour and giro in 93!
Rumsas, never had a positive, his wife was found with hundreds of vials in the trunk. Lance shared his podium with Rumsas in 2002.
Many of Lance's former teamates all either admitted or went positive:
People like Andreau, Hamilton, Heras, Jochim.
@musicNsoccer Only if he is from the UK.
He was only one from US POSTAL... BUT fighting hard
@Srbabiruso To be honest I would be suprised if he had cheated , only because of the number of times he was tested and was found to be clean. I just find it incredible that if he was doping how did he get away with it. One athlete could not get away with it for that length of time and never get caught in my opinion. Also consider this, he never once failed to give a sample for testing when required unlike other top athletes I could mention.
lol this comment really stood the test of time...
Lance Armstrong is a superb athlete, simple. But one thing that gets me is the way he throws money at lawyers to cloud the issue, and undermine everyone and anyone who casts doubt on his reputation. Innocent men don't throw millions of dollars at greedy fuckin lawyers. That's what rich, egotistical bullies who think they can buy their way out of any problem do.
That's my problem with Armstrong.
In this year Armstrong had blood tranfusion...Jan Ullrich in the second week EPO, I´m sure...
Everyone has a bad day.
@bampie1 give me a break. Floyd Landis admitted using PEDs and only got "caught" after 2006. He started using once he joined postal and he was tested god so many times as well. It's the same tune with every other rider who has been "caught"; they were users for years and years. There's ways to cheat around ANY test given time after time the same way.
Hey HFER,
Isn't Pantani dead now? Have anything to do with his multiple positives on his drug tests?
It is, as it always was, a "prove it" situation.
Armstrong skipped the food station and that was the cause of his fainting,the technical name is hypoglycemia.There isn't any drug that can fight this,if you don't eat you don't go.
5.5 hours in the lead pack in a TdF mountain stage at 160 pounds... Probably normalized at around 320 watts atleast!
Someone can sustain like 90% of 1-hour power for like 5 hours though. So technically, someone with an FTP of 350 or so at 160 pounds could keep up for the whole thing until the last climb obviously. Thats if they used the whole road on the decents though! I mean, really risky stuff in the corners to catch back up after being dropped on every climb...
yeah anyone who doesnt atleast come in 2nd place should probably quit forever...
then we could call it, the tour de shleckador
Why should he retire? He has loads left? He was 3. ?
Doesnt really support your statement?
Yeah, major typo LOL
He never tested positive people.
He bonked dummy, that is he didnt eat at the beginning of the climb....that wrecked him good!
He grew facial hair? You got him. It's the smoking gun.
He's clean. Get over it.
He's clean....never laughed so much 🤣
You guys need to read about Eddy Merckx.
When Lance Armstrong started campaigning for socialized medicine and raising taxes (Measure 50) in Oregon, he crossed the wrong line.
For that I say SCREW Lance Armstrong. Stay out of Oregon and our politics!
I think this comment is funny as a joke.
LOL.
I support Lance armstrong though. I just have a really "funny" sense of humor ^_^ !
@seanreid1970 Well it doesn't make him any less a cheater. Everybody was cheating. The sport was/is diseased. What amazes me is that some people are able to convince themselves that Lance was totally clean the entire time he was dominating the best cyclists in the world who happened to be sticking a needles in their asses every 5 minutes. If there was no such thing as doping then Lance's achievements would be incredible. But in light of all the revelations, it downright impossible.
there are ways to dope so that when the time comes down to get tested it is out of your system
Taken a lot of it, have you?
pantani jan and lance the hay day of cycling
wouldnt really call it a bonk, still managed to stay near the front and he was well in front overall anyway, dont think he would have been that concerned probably brushed it off as one of those days.
lol you're not a cyclist. All cyclist I know say he has taken drugs, cause we know the sport.
I hate it that the UCI wont crack down heavily.... Cycling talent isnt winning this stuff anymore for the last 18 years or so... Super-respondance to drug-therepy and being, "hooked up!" How f-d up is that?! When I heard Lance was coming back that really burned coal on the fire.
lance forgot the epo that morning
Learn the difference between the words lose and loose before commenting.
p.s. - Prove it. :-)
Vaya,le dieron el bote de agua que tenia solo agua...
Lol he have back about 3 mins to Ullrich i think. Thanks to Pantani. Armstrong let him win and he becomes rude, then they quarrel then Pantani says "Im gonna blow thew tour" and made every1 bonk
LOL, its nore like a bird/ angel. I can tell you from being apart of Pro cycling for decades, that the wierdest sorts come out in the most outlandish costumes. Freekish behavior isnt only constrained to the NFL.
lance won a lot more races than only the tour,dont forget he was world champion in 93...he as more discipline than everybody else and that is the main key in cycling...
hahahahahahaha I love your comment looooooooooool