I haven't really thought about bicep tension, but now that you mention it, I can see how it is important. I'm going to apply this to my shot cycle today and see how I go. Thanks heaps Jake for all your time and videos, I really appreciate how much your teachings have helped my groups become tighter, and my point on further back 🙂 you are so awesome Jake, I am thinking about becoming a patrion member soon to give back to you after all you have helped us all 🙂
For barebow shooters this is one of those oft overlooked parts of the shot cycle and it is good solid advice. Like lots of things in archery each shooter has to find what the correct amount of bicep tension is for them but I am glad to see this video and know it works for me it helps with making a solid anchor and a good back release.
Ok so here is my report on this advise. It freaking works amazingly. I've never had my shot feel sooo good, it's awesome and no more floppy or plucky string hand. I just spent the past hour and half shooting my hunting setup. Typically with hunting weight bows, the heavier the draw weight is the more it mask mishaps in your shot. Well I noticed a dramatic difference in my shot from the get go. I tried comparing my old shot to my new shot with a slight amount of bicep tension. As soon as I went back to just trying to use all of my back, my hand flopped out immediately as I watched through my peripheral. Jake thank you so much for your advise.
Wow. This cue actually seems to be working so far. For months and years I've never been able to fully get rid of the "loose flop" after release, even though my elbow and shoulder would eventually end in the correct position. Golf ball drill just accentuated shoulder pulling. Never had someone else to place an arrow in the elbow crease at full draw. Focused so much on the back but never the biceps. Went and tried locking in a bit of biceps tension and for the first time my hand actually swept right along my jaw. Thanks.
Just a quick thanks for the invaluable information you’re putting out . I’ll be paying some attention to bicep tension to see if it helps clean up my shot a little more.
Hade a litle break from shooting this summer and started this week again and my groups where horrible. Couldnt figure it out and then i watch this and applyed this to my compound shooting today and its sutch a differens. Thanks alot you got some awsome info on this channel!
Jake thank you for this video. I've struggled for the longest time with a pluck or floppy release. My alignment is amazing as I've been told by many, with my elbow being inside of my arrow and string alignment. While also maintaining solid back tension my hand flops upon release. I will give your suggestion a try and will report back.
The thing I did when in the early days I started in archery was .. I was bothered when I used the finger tab, and that's why I didn't use it until my middle finger became swollen and sore..since then I tried to get used to using the finger tab..because , if I use the finger tab, the shooting will be oblique and arrow not straight probably because of plucking the string but since my middle finger was injured..I started using the finger tab and the shooting got better day by day ..
Just a quick thanks for the invaluable information you’re putting out Jake . I’ll be paying some attention to bicep tension to see if it helps clean up my shot a little more.
I’ll be dipped, I have been trying to fix this on my own and posted a video of tik tok and noticed I was coming away from my face and I use my compound form where I’m holding tight in my back but zero bicep, I guess I’m gonna start using more bicep!! Probably should stay a little on the down low during 3d season😂😂😂 I went to a deep hook which allowed me to get the arrow under my eye better and my tab quit cutting my face. I thought that was the cause of the “ pluck “. I still have great accuracy but I’m only gonna be bow hunting with my set up but I wanna do it right regardless and be able to give archers better advice when they ask about recurve style stuff! Thanks for the video my guy!
You're instruction has been very helpful in my novice approch in archery.😘 I'm enjoying the sport & want to learn the foundations correctly to prevent injury to my chubby-chick aging body.😏 Thanks for the instructions, I'm looking into your website for more details.
Sometimes on release, my bow would jerk to the left slightly. Focused on bicep tension at the range and saw the problem go away. This comes a little late, but thanks for the tip
While I don't disagree with you that some bicep tension can help clean up the release, this advice may not be appropriate for archers that haven't achieved proper alignment and back usage or aren't experienced enough to control how they're using specific muscles and to what extent. Novice archers may take this advice and try to use their bicep to clean up their release when they don't even know how to properly use their back or get into proper alignment, which are much more important to a clean release than bicep tension for most archers. In the worst case scenario novices might conflate the two and use too much of their bicep on the draw side, which would easily lead to shoulder injuries. Coach Lee instructing you, Brady, and the other trained athletes is different; you are all experienced and can apply this properly with a lower risk of hurting yourselves.
That would require a novice to watch ONLY this video of Jake's and none of the rest and build a form around that. Not very likely. It is a good tip when added to the library Jake has been adding to this channel of late!
crispycheng , Like your comment as it points out the limitations of the novice archer. Hopefully we novices by practicing good form as taught by the Jake and other coaches can use the biceps correctly.
Gosh, after viewing a great many of your videos Jake, I didn't think I would ever find something fundamental I would disagree with you on. But this is just plain wrong. You do not want to press your hand against your face using your biceps muscles. This creates a counter force that takes the string out and away upon release, that is it is a component of the pluck. Forcing your hand against your face is an admission that your alignment is poor. What pulls your hand against your face is the bow. The bow resists being pulled and since your upper arm requires your elbow to pass out in front of your body, the draw hand comes back in an arc and what pulls it toward your face is the bow. If you get good alignment, your hand automatically ends up near your face. If it isn't there, your alignment is poor. Plucks are cause by poor alignment. The criterion violated is that the back of the draw hand has to be roughly parallel to the central plane of the bow. If it is outboard of this position. then your body knows that the string will not slide off of your fingers just by relaxing your fingers because the angle is wrong, so some sort of action must be taken to open the hand to get it off of the string, ergo "pluck." There is, btw, a nice set of slow motion videos on the Winchester Archery website that show the consequences of pressing the string against one's face as you describe. You can actually pick up the unwanted string distortions this causes.
Steve Ruis, Too advanced for me. Would like to see a panel discussion between yourself, Jake, Winchester, and Coach Kim highlighting the similarities and differences between the methods.
I'll make a follow up video to this comment alone..... Quickly, 1. I did not say push the string against your face, I said you hand against the neck more the anything else. 2. I can have a great release with the biggest misalignment humanly possible (WITH biceps tension mind you) 3. No one with the exception of Brady Ellison IMHO can get into the alignment you describe to cause the "auto clean release" or "auto hand tightening against the face (neck)" the general population is not flexible enough in both joint space as well as muscular length. Even then I guarantee 100% Brady has biceps tension on purpose. I lived with him for 6 years and ontop of that, Coach Lee directs his shooters to have biceps tension.
I would say that the better the alignment, the lesser you need bicep tension. I always wondered how Marcus D'Almeida managed to get such a clean release. The only explanation was bicep tension. I have to say his form has changed significantly since.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I suggest that moving your hand in the general direction of your neck brings the string against your face (your chin being part of your face). And there are consequences from that force directed at right angles to the bowstring. The alignment you say only Brady Ellison could achieve was used steadily by Rick McKinney and Darryl Pace and I see in many of the Koreans. The whole purpose of KSL's "barrel of the gun" concept was to achieve this alignment. KSL has used the good/better/best labels for being short of line, on line, and past line (a common trope used by many recurve coaches). And KSL's word is not the last word on these topics. He is somewhat famous for issuing a directive to NTS coaches to have archers lock their knees while shooting. After getting flamed I did not hear that again from him.
NO WAY. I’ve never thought of adding bicep tension. Gotta try this tomorrow. THANKS! Why is nobody else talking about this?
I haven't really thought about bicep tension, but now that you mention it, I can see how it is important. I'm going to apply this to my shot cycle today and see how I go. Thanks heaps Jake for all your time and videos, I really appreciate how much your teachings have helped my groups become tighter, and my point on further back 🙂 you are so awesome Jake, I am thinking about becoming a patrion member soon to give back to you after all you have helped us all 🙂
For barebow shooters this is one of those oft overlooked parts of the shot cycle and it is good solid advice. Like lots of things in archery each shooter has to find what the correct amount of bicep tension is for them but I am glad to see this video and know it works for me it helps with making a solid anchor and a good back release.
Ok so here is my report on this advise. It freaking works amazingly.
I've never had my shot feel sooo good, it's awesome and no more floppy or plucky string hand. I just spent the past hour and half shooting my hunting setup. Typically with hunting weight bows, the heavier the draw weight is the more it mask mishaps in your shot. Well I noticed a dramatic difference in my shot from the get go.
I tried comparing my old shot to my new shot with a slight amount of bicep tension. As soon as I went back to just trying to use all of my back, my hand flopped out immediately as I watched through my peripheral.
Jake thank you so much for your advise.
Good to hear, glad it helps!
Now I know what is the problem with my release. Thank you very much, Jake! I really appreciate your lessons.
Wow. This cue actually seems to be working so far. For months and years I've never been able to fully get rid of the "loose flop" after release, even though my elbow and shoulder would eventually end in the correct position. Golf ball drill just accentuated shoulder pulling. Never had someone else to place an arrow in the elbow crease at full draw. Focused so much on the back but never the biceps. Went and tried locking in a bit of biceps tension and for the first time my hand actually swept right along my jaw. Thanks.
Excellent, Glad to help.
Just a quick thanks for the invaluable information you’re putting out . I’ll be paying some attention to bicep tension to see if it helps clean up my shot a little more.
Hade a litle break from shooting this summer and started this week again and my groups where horrible. Couldnt figure it out and then i watch this and applyed this to my compound shooting today and its sutch a differens. Thanks alot you got some awsome info on this channel!
Jake thank you for this video. I've struggled for the longest time with a pluck or floppy release. My alignment is amazing as I've been told by many, with my elbow being inside of my arrow and string alignment. While also maintaining solid back tension my hand flops upon release. I will give your suggestion a try and will report back.
Never heard bicep tension discussed thanks makes sense and explains my better releases yhis afternoon
Thank you. Love your channel.
The thing I did when in the early days I started in archery was .. I was bothered when I used the finger tab, and that's why I didn't use it until my middle finger became swollen and sore..since then I tried to get used to using the finger tab..because , if I use the finger tab, the shooting will be oblique and arrow not straight probably because of plucking the string but since my middle finger was injured..I started using the finger tab and the shooting got better day by day ..
Just a quick thanks for the invaluable information you’re putting out Jake . I’ll be paying some attention to bicep tension to see if it helps clean up my shot a little more.
I’ll be dipped, I have been trying to fix this on my own and posted a video of tik tok and noticed I was coming away from my face and I use my compound form where I’m holding tight in my back but zero bicep, I guess I’m gonna start using more bicep!! Probably should stay a little on the down low during 3d season😂😂😂 I went to a deep hook which allowed me to get the arrow under my eye better and my tab quit cutting my face. I thought that was the cause of the “ pluck “. I still have great accuracy but I’m only gonna be bow hunting with my set up but I wanna do it right regardless and be able to give archers better advice when they ask about recurve style stuff! Thanks for the video my guy!
Grazie di aver messo i sottotitoli in Italiano... 👍😄
You're instruction has been very helpful in my novice approch in archery.😘 I'm enjoying the sport & want to learn the foundations correctly to prevent injury to my chubby-chick aging body.😏 Thanks for the instructions, I'm looking into your website for more details.
Jake, looking forward to the video!
th-cam.com/video/chw1HjrZqP4/w-d-xo.html done!
Great tips as always..
Another great video
Over the years coaches have always give off to my to stop using bicept tention .
Thank you!
I was blind, now I am starting to see.
Sometimes on release, my bow would jerk to the left slightly. Focused on bicep tension at the range and saw the problem go away. This comes a little late, but thanks for the tip
While I don't disagree with you that some bicep tension can help clean up the release, this advice may not be appropriate for archers that haven't achieved proper alignment and back usage or aren't experienced enough to control how they're using specific muscles and to what extent. Novice archers may take this advice and try to use their bicep to clean up their release when they don't even know how to properly use their back or get into proper alignment, which are much more important to a clean release than bicep tension for most archers. In the worst case scenario novices might conflate the two and use too much of their bicep on the draw side, which would easily lead to shoulder injuries. Coach Lee instructing you, Brady, and the other trained athletes is different; you are all experienced and can apply this properly with a lower risk of hurting yourselves.
That would require a novice to watch ONLY this video of Jake's and none of the rest and build a form around that. Not very likely. It is a good tip when added to the library Jake has been adding to this channel of late!
crispycheng , Like your comment as it points out the limitations of the novice archer. Hopefully we novices by practicing good form as taught by the Jake and other coaches can use the biceps correctly.
th-cam.com/video/chw1HjrZqP4/w-d-xo.html explanation video posted...
Biceps, not bicep.
Gosh, after viewing a great many of your videos Jake, I didn't think I would ever find something fundamental I would disagree with you on. But this is just plain wrong. You do not want to press your hand against your face using your biceps muscles. This creates a counter force that takes the string out and away upon release, that is it is a component of the pluck. Forcing your hand against your face is an admission that your alignment is poor. What pulls your hand against your face is the bow. The bow resists being pulled and since your upper arm requires your elbow to pass out in front of your body, the draw hand comes back in an arc and what pulls it toward your face is the bow. If you get good alignment, your hand automatically ends up near your face. If it isn't there, your alignment is poor.
Plucks are cause by poor alignment. The criterion violated is that the back of the draw hand has to be roughly parallel to the central plane of the bow. If it is outboard of this position. then your body knows that the string will not slide off of your fingers just by relaxing your fingers because the angle is wrong, so some sort of action must be taken to open the hand to get it off of the string, ergo "pluck."
There is, btw, a nice set of slow motion videos on the Winchester Archery website that show the consequences of pressing the string against one's face as you describe. You can actually pick up the unwanted string distortions this causes.
Steve Ruis,
Too advanced for me. Would like to see a panel discussion between yourself, Jake, Winchester, and Coach Kim highlighting the similarities and differences between the methods.
Bruh... Just no
I'll make a follow up video to this comment alone.....
Quickly,
1. I did not say push the string against your face, I said you hand against the neck more the anything else.
2. I can have a great release with the biggest misalignment humanly possible (WITH biceps tension mind you)
3. No one with the exception of Brady Ellison IMHO can get into the alignment you describe to cause the "auto clean release" or "auto hand tightening against the face (neck)" the general population is not flexible enough in both joint space as well as muscular length. Even then I guarantee 100% Brady has biceps tension on purpose. I lived with him for 6 years and ontop of that, Coach Lee directs his shooters to have biceps tension.
I would say that the better the alignment, the lesser you need bicep tension. I always wondered how Marcus D'Almeida managed to get such a clean release. The only explanation was bicep tension. I have to say his form has changed significantly since.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery I suggest that moving your hand in the general direction of your neck brings the string against your face (your chin being part of your face). And there are consequences from that force directed at right angles to the bowstring.
The alignment you say only Brady Ellison could achieve was used steadily by Rick McKinney and Darryl Pace and I see in many of the Koreans. The whole purpose of KSL's "barrel of the gun" concept was to achieve this alignment. KSL has used the good/better/best labels for being short of line, on line, and past line (a common trope used by many recurve coaches). And KSL's word is not the last word on these topics. He is somewhat famous for issuing a directive to NTS coaches to have archers lock their knees while shooting. After getting flamed I did not hear that again from him.