Top 3 WORST 4th Doctor Stories
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I'm seeing a few people saying Nightmare of Eden and whilst I totally understand, I would say that it's a brilliantly written story let down by laughable production value. Also, yes I did forget Power of Kroll, Creature from the pit and Horns of Nimon... they are all terrible so can't argue 😂 Glad to see you guys are liking the video, there's more to come!
@MagicKirin1 Indeed, Lalla Ward is superb in that one.
I actually find the Horns of Nimon to be hysterical. Yes it’s silly, over the top, and when the Captain falls his pants split. However you get Soldeed calling Ramona a “hussy” and he pretty much sings when he calls the Nimon. Loooooooord Niiiiiiiiiimooooooooon!!
The Nimon be praised!
Power of Kroll is one of my all time favorites. The interaction of the Doctor and the scientists, Phillip Madoc, the massive sea monster and the doctors final defeat of the Kroll make it really work for me.
@AJ S. I can see it to because that was an actual episode, Flatline.
@MagicKirin1 Cough, splutter... Donna Noble
Before I even pressed play I thought
3. Meglos
2. Underworld
1. Leisure Hive
I consider 2/3 a success
Why did i slightly enjoy leisure hive
I watched Mandragora recently I quite enjoyed it
Simon Leib yeah I’m watching all of toms era, watched underworld for the first time. I didn’t really enjoy it. It’s just kind of there for me there’s nothing about it that really stands out. Although saying that, despite not enjoying it I wouldn’t say it’s terrible, just very forgettable for me
Simon Leib But in all fairness classic who wasn’t made to be binged so even the best stories can feel like a bit of a chore sometimes
By coincidence I saw Mandragora and Destiny of the Daleks both yesterday. Mandragora totally kills Destiny.
I have a soft spot for Masque of Mandragora because not only was it my first 4th story but my first classic who story ever.
Horns of Nimon was the most painfully bad 4th Doctor story I ever saw.
I liked the masque of Mandragora. But I agree with your other stories.
I also like that story not the best but it entertains
Masque Of Mandragora? You’ve got to be kidding! It’s a great story. You could pick almost anything from 1978 & 1979 and, with a few remarkable exceptions, it’s gonna be a bit of a clunker. There were some stories in 77 that were utter tosh as well. So many later Baker episodes could, and should, be picked over Mandragora.
Just having the line: "The Quest is the Quest" should move Underworld from bottom 3 to bottom 5. :-)
I love Mandragora purely because it was filmed in Portmerion in north Wales, where I’ve been every year since I was about 7
Oh Wingy Wingy Wingy, you finally broke my heart. Masque of Mandragora is wonderful and always terrified me. One day you will see it.
Definitely underworld. I suggest watching it with the commentary playing. If Tom's anecdote about pertwee phoning from hell doesn't make you laugh, nothing will
1. Underworld
2. The Creature From the Pit
3. The Armageddon Factor
Parts 3 and 4 of Masque are superb. Very creepy scenes in the crypt. How can you pass over those?
Isn’t that funny, because The Mask of Mandragora is one of my favorite stories. But, then, I prefer the pseudo-historicals.
I would have switched out The Mask if Mandragora & put The Horns of Nimon in its place. It's a silly retelling if Greek mythology combined with BAD special effects, even for Doctor Who during that time period. And they're not bad in a good way. But like you said it's a matter of personal preference.
I personally liked masque, it felt like theatre , which is what I loved about 70s who
Any Tom Baker episode is better than ANYTHING that came out last season... lol
Hell, ANY Colin Baker episode is better than the dreck we got last season!
@Mad Groper Timelash, Mark of the Rani, the Twin Dillema and Trial of a Timelord want a word with you.
you humans have good taste
I would watch “It Takes You Away” over “The Twin Dilemma” any day of the week.
@@rassilontdavros3004
@@Ben-vf5gk Honestly, I quite like the Trial of a Timelord. The Mysterious Planet can be a little slow, but Colin makes it watchable. Mindwarp is just great, except for the courtroom scenes of course. Terror of the Vervoids and the Ultimate Foe have their own flaws as well, but I still enjoyed them. Well, not Mel, but you get the idea.
Warriors Gate, Leisure Hive, Armageddon Factor...my utter stinkers.
You asked a while ago for suggestions and this video does bring one to mind. Could you rank all the series producers/showrunners, new and old? From Verity Lambert through to Chris Chibnall, these seem to be a much better indicator of quality than the actors, or even the writers.
Although, Barry Letts, Phillip Hinchcliffe, and Verity Lambert are the best in my opinion.
@@JJfromPhilly67 Hinchcliffe, Moffat, Davies, Letts and Williams, (in reverse order, with Hinchcliffe at 1) would be my choices.
a bilion Chris Chibnal is one JNT. I mean come on, who'd rather watch Silver Nemesis or the king's demons over the timeless children?
@@fadikhoory5350 Not me, for a start. If I never see any of McCoy again it will be too soon.
Creature from the Pit is genuinely unwatchable. I can never get to the end of part 1.
I've just been and re watched The Masque of Mandragora and rather enjoyed it. Have seen it before, but it's been a while.
Me watching the first episode of Underworld: oh, i'm enjoying this, so i don't see what the problem is.
Me watching the rest of Underworld: wtf, this is easily the worst story of Four's era, EVER.
Nice to see somebody not mention Creature From the Pit for a change. It's actually not that bad a story; it's just the dodgy Erato puppet that lets it down.
Fully agree. Apart from the Erato puppet, Creature From The Pit is a decent story with some great performances. I also find it great fun, which is a bonus.
I just finished watching it a few days ago and was surprised how much I enjoyed it, the only the letting it down was Erato.
genesis of the Daleks is easily the best, and part 4 has the best cliffhanger in history
Caves of Androzani 3 would like a word
When the leisure hive is the only 4th doctor story you actually own a copy of.
MINE:
3.The Sun Makers
2.Destiny Of The Daleks
1.Leisure Hive
1. The Android Invasion
2. The Invasion of Time
3. The Armageddon Factor
would rather watch these instead of Jodie seasons her acting is terrible. This is a job for heroes not for faint hearted girls.
The only thing about Jodie that is better than classic who is that even though she is a woman her ankles don’t sprain in a stiff breeze. Otherwise she is inferior to Nysa and Tegan in every way
and Zoe and Liz and Barbara and Jo and Romana and Ace and a light year behind Sarah Jane. I'll grant she does beat Mel.
TheZodiacz nowhere near jo
Series 11 is the worst season ever and Jodie Whittaker is the worst Doctor Who ever!
Daniel Williamson you speak facts
I think it's something to remember that, for most of Season 18, Tom was actually quite ill, so I think that can be taken into consideration for why he doesn't give 100%. But yeah, there's no denying, he was a bit of a grump guts by this point and I can understand why.
I didn’t know this. What ailed him?
3. Masque of Mandragora (pretty much everything you said)
2. Destiny of the Daleks (Davros becomes a complete joke)
1. Image of the Fendahl (I think I fell asleep during this one)
Underworld: 'Its just Never gets to the Surface.'
I see what You did, There! :)
Worst 4th Doctor Story is the The Sontaran Experiment...dreadful
No...Masque of Mandragora? I *love* a good costume drama - and these were quite well done. The effects in the temple at the end and the corpse burned by the helix energy were really scary (love the lighting effects with the mask). I agree about the Leisure Hive though - might have watched it twice (and Horns of Nimon is rubbish too) - but the second time was probably more like: "Oh...Leisure Hive...click." 😑
Mandragorra is excellent! It is amazing. Worst stories for me? Nightmare of Eden Creature From the Pit, Invasion of Time.
For me (in no order):
1-Warriors Gate I know many people like it, but it’s so boring to me. There are some decent visuals in it, but I just can’t ever get into it whenever I try.
2- Underworld I honestly don’t even care about how bad the effects are (and you’re right they are bad). For me the story is so boring. I honestly fell asleep watching it. The commentary is brilliant though because it has Tom being hilarious as usual.
3-The Power of Kroll How can a story written by Robert Holmes starring Tom Baker, Mary Tamm, and Phillip Madoc be such a piece of shit? It’s so boring that I struggled to watch it all the way through. The Swampies look like the Jolly Green Giant. The Doctor breaks glass with an awful high pitch voice. On the commentary Tom Baker and John Leeson seem so bored with it as they’re talking about the most random stuff just to entertain themselves.
I quite enjoy Meglos too. Not a classic but great fun and holds my attention.
1.The Horns of Nimon
2.The Ribos Operation
3.Meglos
I can't really argue against your choices, but I think you forgot about Season 17's Creature from the Pit. It is the only Tom Baker story I struggle to watch. It is a terrible, boring story with some of the worse props I have seen especially considering the year this is produced.
Have others ever thought how when the vast majority of Dr. who fans state Tom Baker as their favourite Doctor that you can bet they were not thinking of his last two seasons. Far more likely they're thinking of the Hinchcliffe/Dicks classic era. It shows how huge an impact the mood of a cast and the actual quality of stories make. Tom Baker in his first four seasons was a classic (best Doctor ever), especially in seasons 12 to 14. In seasons 15 and 16 we got a mixed bag with the last episodes of Invasion of Time and Underworld showing the beginning of some decline. However these middle seasons also had some classic stories. In series 17 Baker's Doctor becomes increasingly silly and ridiculous man but was still good in the role. Then it all fell into a dire and dull show that took itself far too seriously (excluding Creature from the Pit which at least was fun in it's silliness). In his final tenure (series 18) Tom was not even remotely the same as the Doctor we knew In Genesis of the Daleks or City of Death.
I find it odd that people have forgotten that there was a period when Baker became boring. Yes he had his fair grumps etc, but that really can't excuse his lacklustre performances as he didn't have to stay. If only he had left after City of Death (yes I know it was part of season 17). In fact in season 18 the ratings were dropping markedly and improved quite a bit when Peter Davison came on board.
So when I say he is my favourite Doctor of the classic series I always qualify with season 18 completely disregarded. Tom Baker in effect really was three Doctors over his period. The only other doctor I can think of who changed so much was McCoy but in his case it was for the better and his stories also improved in quality whereas Baker had to work through some duds. As I'm waffling on I'll add, I too do not like the Leisure Hive - even Romana's arrogance and sense of 'I have superior knowledge' becomes ingratiating. Sorry for the rant. So there you have it Tom Baker - the Doctor with three incarnations within the one.
Face Of Evil, Invisible Enemy and Android Invasion In no particular order, maybe they are just a heap of garbage, that seems more suitable. Incidentally I think Mandragora is a great story, on the basis of your argument you could say The Time Warrior or The Androids Of Tara are unappealing because they fit your criteria.
If Dr Who had a balance of past present and future you could theoretically fast forward through a third of the content as a very high percentage of the past would contain people using non projectile weapons (bows generally being the richer person’s weapon of choice) and defending themselves with armour varying from padded jackets or jerkins to full tailored suits of armour. Earth’s history is unfortunately densely consumed by arguments, squabbles and wars generally over land ownership or religious belief and diplomacy in such matters is a very recent option for resolution.
My god "The Armageddon Factor" was a struggle to get through and its sooooooo dull and being 6 parts. Warrior's Gate is another one that I sit there and thing this is dull and my god what the hell is going on? Tried watching it drunk same reaction dull lol
then watch them as we did in the day, only one or two at a time, over several days
@@julieeverett7442 I watched Warrior's Gate broadcast over several days. It didn't help.🥱😴
I think that no Doctor is above criticism point goes for all New Who Doctors.
And all the classic ones
@@Ben-vf5gk I agree. But I meant the New Who ones that a lot of Fangirls/boys praise the Hell out of and can't accept a single ounce of criticism about them. Like Tennant and Smith and especially Whittaker. Less so Ecclestan and Capaldi as I don't hear as much criticism against.
@@shwenty1734 And then you get classic who fans who praise every classic Doctor and never give new ones any credit. Both are just as irritating.
@@Ben-vf5gk yes every one had their high and low points, ALL of them. (mind you I have yet to find a story from 13th I actually enjoy!) And I have watched (and HAVE all available stories - and am tracking down the audio on the missing ones) so I think I CAN offer an opinion!
I prefer historical stories and I thought Masque was a good one. Underworld was a good script let down by bad studio work which was a last minute substitute for location filming at Wookey Hole, scrapped when it became too expensive due to inflation. The Leisure Hive was fine, certainly a breath of fresh air after the awful Horns of Nimon.
My list:
1. The Masque Or Mandragora
2. Underworld
3. The Horns Of Nimon
4. The Leisure Hive
5. State Of Decay
The irony is Masque of the Mandragora is on my next to watch 😂😂 refreshing my memory. Just finished Pirate Planet (actually enjoyed it) and Stones of Blood - good story until those irritating stupid judge bots appeared. The story had a Image of the Fendahl vibe about it with a sprinkling of hammer horror until half way through episode 3 it loses the plot totally - shame really. That said I still have a soft spot for that story.
Definitely agree on Underworld and Leisure Hive. I actually love Mandragora, probably because I like the historical stories (Weng-Chiang and Fang Rock come to mind). My other least favorite would be probably The Image of Fendahl. I just can’t get into it.
The Top 3 worst 4th Doctor stories are all in season 17:
1. Horns of Nimon
2. Creature from the Pit
3. Nightmare of Eden
Honorable mentions: Underworld, The Invasion of Time, The Power of Kroll
I will criticise special effects in Classic Who, if it looks like they haven't made an effort to make it look alright. The Two Doctors and Underworld are examples of this in my book. The opposite is true for something like The Mind Robber.
Jed Malley The Two Doctors is the biggest waste of potential in the show's history.
@@aloysiuswhiteboat2934 Agreed, it's my least favourite classic story.
Was dead certain The Invisible Enemy would be on here. Evil Eyebrows for certain
Definitely not the worst, it's watchable but objectively bad
Yeah Underworld is the standout bad Baker story for me. Way too much 'chromakey' as we called it then. This saving is highlighted as it comes between serials that also had obvious economies in them (Sunmakers scenes shot in a car park, Invasion of Time's endless walking through the TARDIS which is clearly just a load of real world buildings and corridors)
I recall not liking Assassin much (no assistant!)
3, Android Invasion
2. Robot
1. Underworld
Underworld is freaking awful
3. Revenge Of The Cybermen
2. The Pirate Planet
1. The Leisure Hive
Thank god you agree. Fuck the leisure hive.
Yes I've always found Masque of Mandragora a little dull. Underworld is also one of my least favourite 4th Doctor stories. The Leisure Hive isn't great but it does make me laugh at the frantic over the top scenes. I agree with all your choices. Exactly the same as mine.
3. Revenge of the Cybermen
(Such a generic, and boring story)
2. Horns of Nimon
(Just an embarrassing story)
1. Image of the Fendahl
(Despise this one. My second least favorite story of the classic series)
Masque of Mandragora is the best that you listed, but that doesn't say much. Masque is okay, underworld is pretty bad, and Leisure Hive is average.
Great work..I think all of Colin baker's stories are underrated he was good if not great doctor but better than capaldi Whitaker eccleston. But hartnell story was the sensorites troughton was space pirates Pertwee monster of peladon Davison arc of infinity...how's that?
space pirates was one of the missing stories so I cant answer that, I cant fault your others though! Mine would be Krotons, that was so mind numbingly dull and for Troughton this is saying something
Yep add me to the Underground list - as said earlier bad is bad but boring is worst and this is as boring as it gets. In fact I don't think I've ever been able to sit right through the entire (is it) four episodes. Nightmare from Eden comes second and Warriors Gate (the one you either love or hate). I can't include stories like Creature from the Pit and Horns of Nimon because they are entertaining from being so bad and campy. Tom is mucking about having fun.
If we could choose a single episode within a story than the final episode of The Invasion of Time with the run around in a Tardis set that is actually the basement of an old swimming pool complex and what appears to be the basement of some 1960's industrial building - oh and the Vardans (worst villian design ever).
Is it controversial for me to think logopolis is one of tom's weakest stories?? re watched it recently for the first time in years. and i found it so boring and over confusing! master dusnt even properly appear till part 3 and the first episode and a half are just pointless, the doctor and adric walking around the tardis with adric constantly asking questions to a very bored and pissed off looking tom, tegan and her aunt trying to change a tire, and tegan running around the tardis corridors for half of part 2 lol
I totally agree. I've often wondered why didn't they give Baker a send off like they did with Pertwee. They pulled out all the stops for him, but then I remember at that stage in Baker's tenure, I'm sure the crew, and especially JNT, were probably glad to see him go.
What are you gonna do next- you haven't done 3 best/worst doctor stories for a long time
I'll do that again in the next few weeks! 😁
Ribos Op, Android of Tara and Creature from the Pit are largely boring, so they get my vote. Otherwise okay.
As a doctor who fan I thought this would be impossible. You must have been in pain asking about your favourite doctor's worst stories 😂😂. Love your videos. Always a joy to watch. 👍 Keep it up
Everyone's favourite Doctor has shit stories.
@@Ocsttiac (Still using Dad's account) Agreed, I ADORE Smith as the Doctor, but The Curse of the Black Spot, The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People, The Wedding of River Song...
tom baker did 42 STORIES! It makes sense not all of them would be terrific
I kinda like The Leisure Hive :| I agree with your first two choices though
For me it would be The Sunmakers, Underworld and Masque of Mandragora.
I can't dislike Masque, it was the first new story I watched as a fan bitd - leave it alone! And I really like the cliffhanger to episode 3 (or at least I would if the special effect was better, but in 1976 on a black & white TV it was fine). I quite like the superstition vs reason subtext as well (not that it's exactly a subtext)
Underworld - The poor special efffects actually distract you from the the script and acting, which are also terrible. Nothing good about this story apart from the odd idea that isn't really followed through.
Leisure Hive - I kind of agree. I think there's an interesting story in there with Pangol being the last hope for his race, but it's overwhelmed by flashy direction which has dated badly and the technobabble. I agree completely with your criticism of the science aspect - there is no concession to viewers who don't already have a knowledge of advanced physics. Were they trying to sneak in an Open University course under the guise of Doctor Who? No wonder people switched over to Buck Rogers for simplistic sci fi with better special effects.
Horror of Fang Rock with the glowing cabbage as a Rutan.
Never thought I'd see someone talk about the worst of Tom Baker and skip Season 17 completely!
As bad as some of it is, I don't hate it. Destiny I have nostalgia for, creature is wank tbf and Nimon is so bad it's funny. City, Nightmare and Shada I adore
@@WingyMedia Nightmare is definitely not as bad as some say, but Destiny and Horns are executed so badly they're embarrassing. But I agree Creature is the worst, because in addition to being embarrassing, it's also very dull.
Ok, that's an understandable reason for all three stories you talking about and is your opinion and I respect it.
The fact is, to me, that myself pretty much enjoy it The Masquee and I watch it pretty frequently, that's just me. For the other two I'm alright with you but you forgot these three, that to me are probably the worst "unperfect" story of the amazing 4th Doctor:
3) Nightmare of Eden;
2) Creature from the Pit;
1) Meglos.
Those are mine worst stories.
1. The Nightmare of Eden 2.The Power of Kroll 3. Meglos
Toms first tree years were incredible, brilliant scripts with gothic horror, clever humour and a brilliant producer in Philip Hinchcliffe. Once Philip left, the show took such a nosedive in quality, removing the horror elements and it became a total embarrassment. Tom would’ve been my favourite doctor had it only been seasons 12-14 and possibly 15.
I actually quite like Masque of Mandragora, and I don't hate Leisure Hive. Certainly agree on Underworld though, probably my least favourite episode of Tom's era.
I also don't like the Power of Kroll and Armageddon Factor, which make up the other two of my three least favourites. A shame really as I do like the other stories in the Key to Time season.
That's the problem with Doctor's having a long era, you're more likely to have some duds. Baker has quite a few. But he also has some of the best stories. I'd rather have a lot of highs and lows compared to a decent, middling bunch of episodes.
Worst story I've seen with Tom so far is the Armageddon Factor. It's the same problem I have with a lot of New Who finales, they have an interesting idea which they spend about five minutes of the run time on and spend the rest of the time faffing about (Ranskoor Av Kolos, Death in Heaven, Wedding of River Song, Hell Bent). At least most new who finales are only 45 minutes though this wasted 2 and half hours of my time. The acting is not great in places, the Shadow is a pantemine villain. I was just bored and kind of annoyed.
Masque of Mandragora is mediocre but I don't dislike it. Not one I'd watch over and over but I do like it more than you do Wingy.
Underworld is pretty bad. It just has too many issues story wise. I can handle the special effects although they are especially bad here. Some neat ideas that were handled badly.
The Leisure Hive is fairly drab and not overly exciting. Not one of my favorites, to be certain.
My bottom 3 Tom Baker stories:
-The Invisible Enemy (They dumbed Leela down too much and so many issues with the shrinking nonsense and the viruses being crustaceans was just silly).
-Underworld
-The Invasion of Time (A few cool Tom moments but Leela's reason for leaving was just ludicrous, the Sontarans were bad, the Vardans were off, and it was too long with all the problems it had).
Meglos is a pretty good story really, the cactus bit notwithstanding. At least it's got Jacqueline Hill and it's a fun romp. Not in my top ten but I agree that it's far too often maligned when it's really not that bad.
For me:
3. The Invasion of Time (Shoddy in both production and story)
2. Destiny of the Daleks (let's face it, it was farcical shite that pissed all over Genesis, Davros, and the Daleks in general)
1. The Horns of Nimon (I mean... yeah...)
Love u talking about poor Tom stories, not many do
Top 10 best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here's a classic "just don't do it" 3rd Doctor, Sarah Jane and dinosaurs! When they told Jon and Lis their idea they were both sceptical. They were worried it would look crap. But the team said it would look great and so they ran with it. Both Jon and Lis were horrified with the outcome because the dinosaurs looked so bad! And they really did lll
I enjoyed that story immensely, however, it may have been carried by the thrill of seeing a completely new (from my perspective) classic Pertwee story.
I recently saw 28 Days Later, and it reminded me of that.
I totally agree with Masque of Mandragora and Leisure Hive. I enjoy Underworld. Other Tom Baker dislikes of mine, Planet of Evil, Brain of Morbius, City of Death (just can't like strolling around the streets of France from episode 1).
Understood all of them but City of Death?! That's one of the best ever!!!
For the historical one I do quite like the time where are you?
The Nightmare of Eden, The Horns of Nimon and The Android invasion would be my top 3.
Totally disagree about the Android Invasion, I love it
Eden and Nimon, totally disagree with those as well. Great fun.
I like the first 2 episodes of The Android invasion. It builds a great air of menace. Then we get the one eyed astronaut. What a gullible idiot!
Just got a massive box of Classic Doctor Who stories, don't know if I wasn't in the mood or anything but was watching The Keys of Marinus and am I the only one who switched off like half way? Considering the Doctor vanishes for two parts?
Caleb Hoskins each actor took breaks during the season for 2 weeks and they all disappear for a couple of episodes
Doctor-keys of Marinus
Susan-the aztecs
Barbara-the sensorites
Ian-the reign of terror
Keys is my favourite Hartnell story. And in the sixties, many actors took breaks so the Doctor and companions all vanish for selected parts sometimes. Also, considering Hartnell is my least favourite Doctor, I don't really mind much, AND it helps elevate the plot in part 5 all the while having a reason for him not to be there. (Still using Dad's account)
the keys of marinus was intended as individual stories per episodes, just go watch the next one!
Don't agree with you on Underworld. I loved that story despite its bad green-screen effects. However, I thought the actual sets, models, and space shots were pretty good, and I thought it was a top-notch script. I half agree with you on Mandragora. I actually like the historical stories, but I think it is a bit boring at times and thought it was somewhat confusing, especially confusing in the climax. I also found The Liesure Hive to be a bit boring and feel it's the weakest in Tom's final season. P.S. I also love Meglos. Think it's a shame most fans don't.
For me it’s
3. The Armageddon factor
2. Underworld
1. Hand of fear
mandragora is okay. I can watch it split up but not in one go. The last part is good though.
Worst to Best:
1. The Power of Kroll
2. Underworld
3. Meglos
Not seen Leisure Hive but I'm not a big fan of season 18 so I'll take your word for it being shit.
I'm with you on 'Leisure Hive!'
I can box all my disliked episodes (all of them) into a neat package with a label: "Copies, clones, duplicates, etc." The one I almost _never_ watch when i binge through Baker is 'Androids of Tara.' I just can't stand those "exact duplicate/chameleon/possession" tropes and, sorry to say, 'Meglos' falls under that.
I consider Baker's final series to be his his weakest even with the 'E-Space Trilogy' to prop it up, but that's not to say it was "bad," just least good compared to all his previous series'. I think the behind-the-scenes strife bled through a little.
3.Destiny of the Daleks
2.leisure hive
1.underworld
If you talk about underrated 2nd doctor episodes the seeds of death should be on it.
I agree
Hej, anybody know episode from Dr 4 where Dr comes across "vampire" influenced on what think seaside. There was a cleric that died and that's about all I remember.
State of Decay (Season 18)
@@sparshjohri1109 thank you, thats what I thought the other one would be the fenric story with 7th, I didnt think there were any others
I really liked both The Masque of Mandragora and The Leisure Hive. Underworld however is dog shit. :D
My bottom 3 too because there just too boring.i can even remember as a kid being bored by them
For me:
3. Meglos (No. It's not fun. It's boring. Nothing about Meglos' motivations is explained, the supporting characters and actors are terrible, the subplot of the conflict between the savants and the deons is not resolved, Romana and K9 are written lazily. It's just crap.)
2. Horror of Fang Rock (I know most people like this, but I just don't understand why. It has some nice atmosphere, Leela is hilarious, and the supporting actors are okay but that's about it. There's no real tension because we already know the solution to the mystery, the effects are terrible even by Who standards, basically nothing happens for the entire story, and the only subplot is not resolved.)
1. The Invasion of Time (I don't care what anyone says, I despise this story. It may be my least favourite Who story _ever_ (though I haven't seen them all). The entire plot is based on a continuity error, the vardans are crap, there is a ridiculous amount of padding, the exiles add nothing to the story, Kelner is a boring and one-note character, and Leela's departure is absolutely insulting. I get that it was written as a last minute replacement, but that doesn't make me feel more charitable towards it, it just contextualises why it's so bad.)
The Hartnell historical stories are amazing. His Sci-Fi ones aren't as good.
Daleks' Master Plan proves otherwise.
@@SpectrumStorms web planet doesnt! And the Tenth Planet does prove otherwise, as does the celestial toymaker (which I have only HEARD not seen) Dalek invasion of earth, the war machine and the keys of Marinus. And in terms of historicals we have the gunfighter, not terrible but it will never be in my top ten!
Underworld, leisure hive and horns of nimon. Yep I'm very original
I think my top 3 worst Tom Baker stories are:
3. The Sun Makers
2. The Ribos Operation
1. toss up between The Creature from the Pit & The Leisure Hive
I disagree about The Sunmakers. It's honestly my favorite 4th doctor story.
I figured people would disagree with me on those ones. They are pretty popular stories among most fans. And even I didn't hate them. I actually like all of Tom Baker's stories. It's just for me, these ones just don't quite hit the mark of excellence like a lot of his other stories. I actually enjoyed The Sun Makers for the most part. I just didn't like the effects in that one, thought they were beyond cheesy, even by Doctor Who standards, and I wasn't quite satisfied with the conclusion; I felt like it was a bit of a cop-out ending. As for Ribos, I really enjoyed the characters and the humor in that story, I just didn't like the plot and found it a bit boring at times. But that's just me, and I understand there are a lot of people who felt those two stories were among Tom's bests.
True. Leisure Hive is Horrible
I quite like Masque of Mandragora. I agree with you on the other 2. Horns of Nimon, Nightmare of Eden, Creature from the Pit are bad and in the same season.
Horns of Nimon production wise is bad, but it is a fun story and at least entertaining for me. Creature from the Pit gets my vote for the worse. Tom Baker makes any bad episode watchable but Creature from the Pit is almost the exception.
Would you consider 'planet of evil' bad? I just found it so boring when I watched it.
No Power of Kroll? Really?
It's not great but I didn't actually hate it. Maybe it's cause I went in expecting to hate it. Considering it started by someone asking Bob Holmes just to write a story with the biggest monster ever seen in a Doctor Who serial and even Holmes knew that was a stupid idea, it could have been much worse.
I actually forgot about that one!
@@WingyMedia Kind of says it all doesn't it?
I think "The Power of Kroll" is a better "Fury from the Deep", so I tend to give it a lighter sentence.
@@Ocsttiac Really? I thought Fury from the Deep was phenomenal.
These 3 are my worst aswell. Mainly because i struggle to watch them because there so boring.
So stories like horns [f nimon are bad but never boring.
Considering there all 4 parters aswell
I came back to this video after watching Masque of Mandragora, and yea, it's pretty boring. I agree with everything you said.