There is too much chatter before getting to anything worthwhile (at 0:39), but when he finally gets down to business, the knot (it is actually a bind rather than a knot) and his demonstration are very good.
why not just use a "clove hitch" .. it is the almost same thing, easier to learn & does a better job ... instead of "making up a new type of knot" .. ( the clove hitch has been used iin trucking & transportaion since Cleopatra was ruling egypt ) ... & it has NEVER failed .
Old days, this knot was used by sailors to make rope-wood ladders. I use it sometimes on my boat to fix oar or similar stuff. Greetings from Poland! Great channel!
Umnmm, I'm a flatbed driver and as long as you secure the other end (which you should always do) a simple cinch strap (over, under, and back over again) as demonstrated at the 1:50 mark; WILL NOT move, walk, etc. Try it.
Here's my two bits: it's a great knot and I carry stuff in my truck. I use old rope and a truckers hitch but my trips are short and loads not large. So what if this hitch is already invented...Probably most guys don't know about it and if they were curious how to tie down a load better, wouldn't know where to look...I wouldn't. Good on you Joe!
It’s probably not in knot books, because it’s intended use is for cargo straps on pipe and logs. I have 18yrs in the utility industry. I know it as a CHILLZ KNOT. Some people might call it a modified scaffolding hitch or reef knot, if used with cord or rope. Caution , I have used it on thin wall and if you ratchet the working side to much , it can dent or crush thin wall aluminum. Knowing where and how to use the right knot is very beneficial. But not as much a inspecting your gear and knowing the safe working limits. What good does it do to tie the right one if your webbing or rope , equipment and gear are overloaded? Be safe thanks for the reminder
👍I have never ever used a ratchet strap but I want to however they scare me & that’s how I ended up here. This video is fantastic! I appreciate you. Thank you sir 🙏 from all of us daddyless daughters out here. Daddy taught me a lot of stuff but he didn’t get around to teaching me about ratchet straps. RIP daddy. 🙏💝
When it comes to stuff like this, don't buy a $3 ratchet strap. Get one that looks like quality. You can usually tell by the ratchet end of the strap. Some are flimsy sheet metal and others are built for strength. Also be sure to anchor the crank end of the strap to the passenger side of your setup. If it needs to be tightened en route, you won't be standing in traffic doing it.
I just do one lap around the cargo, been using it successfully for 35 years. The first ten years or so we even used rope, never had any appreciable movement of the cargo, and never once lost something off the truck or trailer. Although this similar method looks good, I think the only potential advantage would be less risk of the cargo moving left to right if it's tied down with less than optimal downward force. I always tie my one lap starting and ending the loop on top of the cargo, to maximize downward force and prevent the cargo from rolling naturally on the bed or tailgate. Anyway, thanks for a great video. I appreciate your advice and will give this method a go.
Hi Joe, I had to change out some argon bottles this morning and used your knot in the bed of my pickup. Worked like a champ. Thanks I really needed that.
We use this when rigging loads with a crane in industrial plants, so the slings don't slip up when a load is applied. This is a choker hitch with a "bite" or "dead bite". When you pass the strap underneath itself, it creates the "bite", which tightens the strap on itself, thus securing the objects (especially round) much better so it won't slip. Very useful. Boilermakers Local 1 Chicago. ✌
If you have a longish flat piece that may catch the wind it will vibrate like mad. It is best to put a twist in the flat section as a wind "vortex breaker" which will stop the flapping and noise.
Hi Joe, Thanks for sharing! My mum taught me to tie my shoes when I was 3y.o. Since then I've used the same knot for everything, my shoes, my pyjamas, boats, anchors, stuff on the roof of the car. Sometimes it works ,but not always as I'd like .......... my pyjamas still fall down, stuff blows off the roof of the car and the dog often escapes. I now see the virtue in using the right tool for the job at hand. Thanks again mate!,, Steve Callachor
Looks like a good knot for the application. I always use a clove hitch, which does about the same thing, but uses less rope. Ill give the scaffold hitch a try next time and see how it compares. Thanks Joe.
Nice rigging work. Yes please on the rotary table setup and use. And a cross slide rotary table if you have one too. I am interested in cutting a series inside and outside radii in sequence.
I always say that if you had no prior knowledge its existence, and arrived at something that had been done before, you're no less an inventor than the guy taking credit for the earlier version! I wasn't around in the 1600's, and haven't taken any college classes on knot tying, so I'm no expert, but I think your knot kicks ass, and I intend to use it, a bunch! I'm even going to call it the "Pie Bight", in your honor! Thank You!
The scaffold knot needs the tail tied to the opposit side to stop the load moving to the left. Looking forward to the rotary table vids as i need to buy one for my new small mill and do not know whats best or how to setup exactly.
I don't know if anyone already told you that this did exist, but it can be found in Ashley's book of knots from the '40s, as knot number 2159, on page 348. No name is given, but the purpose listed in the book is to "sling a plank on edge", which it says was sometimes necessary in some sailing contexts. A lot of his sailing knots date at least back to the 18th century, but the description for this one doesn't say where he got it, so I'm not sure how old it is. It obviously works very well for this use also, and you should be proud to have come up with it.
Seen a few ask about the loose end. The loose end would go to a ratchet (ratchet strap) or cam lock(pull strap.) Joe, definitely going to give this a try, thanks.
Be sure that you D-rate the strap 30% any time you put a not or a hitch in it. So a 1500kg rated stap is after a hitch or knot D-rated to 1000kg. Also same for any hard eges that also require packing ie a piece of rubber or some form of sleave over the strap. Some situations may need futher D-rating including well used straps or older straps. Throw out sun damaged staps and any that have been cut or damaged via chemicals etc.
Thank you! A guy rented my toy hauler and tied down his Can Am with some lightweight straps the dealer sold him. I told him no bueno. When he returned the machine had gotten loose and damaged his new toy and my toy-hauler. They don't think about the forces of the 1500 lb machine pulling on those straps when you hit the brakes or get in an accident. Spend the money!
It looks simple, but I would never have thought of that step of creating a loop over to the other side. Glad there are people like you who can figure these things out. Beautiful!
I was just playing around with this knot on my camping chair armrest when I had a discovery. This knot is a double half hitch with the two ends pulled in their opposite directions. It could be an easier way to remember it.
Thanks Joe. The last time I bought some 2x4s it took me about a half hour of trial and error before I remembered how to tie that knot. Learned it as a Boy Scout about 65 years ago. Works great. For the uninitiated, a ratchet gizmo with a hook goes on that loose end.
Those that are critical that your video skills are a bit under Spielberg level...just can't please them I guess. I personally appreciate the INFO and will absolutely use this knot - perfect for a situation I'm often in. You rock, Joe!!! The superficial crybabies are unbelievable - lol
This 'lashing' or whatever it ends up being called is really a good solution to bundle and center a load. I trust it and use it. Thanks for the endorsement.
Got a couple of 2x8x10 footers a while back and used this knot, the boards were locked down tighter than a snakes asshole. Reading some of the comments saying how over complicated this is baffles me.. Hell tying your shoes takes is more of a process than this but people still bitch and moan. This is pretty simple to replicate to be honest...
I just used this knot a couple of days ago, to hold a step ladder and a few landscaping timbers down in my truck. It worked flawlessly and the load didn't shift one bit!! Thanks for sharing this with us!!
I believe he was just showing how to secure them from moving apart from one another. If he was to have more line on what he was showing to pull it on further to either a hook or eye, he could have synched it down further with a truckers hitch and it would not move any direction.
That's pretty slick. I'll try to remember that. Being an old boy scout, I prefer to use rope rather than straps, but I think this would work just as well with rope. TIP: Putting a twist in your straps will prevent buzzing and vibration caused by the wind as you drive down the road.
Actually in Canada that is called a B .C. hitch. I live in eastern Canada, I used to work on a salmon farm. We used to get supplies from British Columbia, and that was the knot that they used.
Great hitch. Round loads are a pain in the butt to keep solid. Used it today to secure a couple of 60 litre fuel drums. notoriously hard to keep in 1 place on a steel deck . They never moved more than a couple of millimetres.
It's a cool looking wrap and Im sure it works just fine for light duty cardboard tubes and the usual keep it under 90mph kinda stuff etc.. The weak spot(s) are in the two bends of the strap on both sides of the wraps, that's where it'll break on you. That situation I wrap with a clove, won't move left/right or fore/aft and the pressure/stress on the rope remains even.. When you wanna hoist a pipe vertically, you use a clove. Less wraps, stronger and it holds onto anything.
My dad discovered this years ago and showed me when we were moving a mattress. It is really an excellent principle to keep in mind, especially if you use a truckers hitch for the final tie off. You have to be careful when passing the rope around. This is why I like to use a rope bag. You pass the rope bag around and under as an organized bundle while the rope pays out as you go!
It’s called a half-hitch knot. Been using it all my life to tie down cargo and pull wire thru conduit. Learned it in the Boy Scouts. Used it in the Army where you tie multiple half-hitches to what you want to secure. “If you can’t tie a knot, tie a lot (of these knots)”
Yep, scaffold hitch. It's actually a variation of the clove hitch. If you loop a loose clove hitch around the object and reverse direction on each end you get a scaffold knot. i.e. With the knot ends coming across the top, flip the right end to the left and the left end to the right, then secure each end to the left and right tie brackets on the truck.
Simple but very effective! I had a friend of mine that used to do some sailing years ago. He knew all kinds of knots that I just couldn't remember! Thanks Joe
Love this hitch. I've always called it a choke. Either over choke or under choke. Never seen it as a double choke though. Fantastic! Definitely going to use this today. Also, try using steel rings at your loops. Works a treat. Thanks for the tip.
Tryed this one. like it. After an hour it occored to me that it you tie a clovehitch and reverse the direction of both pulling strands you end up with this knot.
As others have mentioned, this is a scaffold hitch. Very effective knot for not only tied things down, but can also be used to suspend a board from above (hence the name). If you wanted to complete the tie down, a trucker's hitch to the same attachment point on the other side of the truck bed would really secure things with no chance of slippage. In fact, a trucker's hitch with just a rolling hitch over the tubes would be sufficient, but opting for the stronger scaffold hitch doesn't hurt. Nice job,.
Nice knot! As a truck driver in the oilfield in Alaska, (along with being a former boy scout and commercial fisherman, very fond of knots) we used the “gut wrap” method (always wrapping the strap over the load, and around it once, then ratcheting to the other side). This made me always think “over” was the best/only way to keep the load from rolling. In reality, at least in my experience with rope tie-downs, it doesn’t always prevent the load from moving. I haven’t tried it yet, but I do believe your either/or method using the extra loop, will work fine...and help me overcome a mental stigma of “over” being the only way! Haha! Thanks for teaching this old dog a new trick!
Great tip, thank you! Don't let the negative comments get to you. We all know those are the people using a single piece of twine to tie drywall down to the roof of their car......
I used to know a general contractor who was also an air force reservist. He used rope to tie down all the stuff he carried in his work truck. I can't remember if I ever saw him use a ratchet strap. His air force title/rank was a loadmaster for the C-5 galaxy at that time.
In that case, this method would contain one anchor point, a scaffold hitch at the payload, a trucker knot (loop) secured with a double taut line hitch. Thats not going to move and no ratchet needed.
@@joepie221 Hi, I was about to ask about the loose end. To be me it was so obvious that it would need to be secured with a trucker's hitch that I thought there was maybe some magic causing you not to mention it. Maybe you should add the loose end to the video. There are plenty folk of the "monkey see, monkey do" type who will leave it flapping and then blame your video for their missing cargo... But yes, dang useful to remember... Thanks for sharing.
Loadmaster, C-5 Galaxy, = a whole 'nother "elevated" level of tie-down techniques. (pun intended) 40,000+ feet, 500+MPH, and many different 'angles' during flight... I can't even imagine what it would be like if a load came loose on the way to flight altitude.
For those who cannot think this through: You'll notice he's using a ratchet strap. Attaching what you see into the video to the other part of the ratchet strap is what will the load shifting to the left.
My husband said that he could secure that load with less strapping and probably stronger by trying a simple clove hitch with the legs on top. With this knot, you can secure your load off center without any movement. Try it, you’ll use less rope/strap to secure the load.
I may be wrong, but I was always under the impression a clove hitch is a termination knot. Like something you'd tie a horse to a rail with, or a rowboat to a post. I'm not sure If a clove hitch is intended to be used between 2 points.
When I said, “ My husband”, it was actually me; the husband. To secure a load as shown you would secure one end of your road/strap, tie your clove hitch around your load, then secure the other end with any number of knots. I would recommend a trucker’s knot. My wife wasn’t a boy scout.
thanks for the heads up .. i'm always trying to find the best tie-down knot, now i got it .. it's videos like this that are moving people like me forward
Your hitch seems so close to an alpine butterfly loop with the posts being the loop of the knot. You would just need to turn your bight towards you and fish the tag through the eye, away from you, between the first turn around the left working end and the posts before feeding it through the bight. That probably does not make sense, but hey, no sense in changing something that is working!
It’s not so much a knot as it is applying a “bight” to your securing method. But your correct it’s a tight secure method. Thanks for sharing. Good job!
Bring on the rotary table , I’m all eyes and ears. Been waiting for it . Thanks for the knot, it looks like it would work with rope or strap, throw a truckers hitch on that tail and you will be gold. 👍 !
Well, there's nothing new under the Sun, even if you invent it yourself! Thanks for the clip, Joe, valuable as usual... Ignore the dissers, they got problems they don't even know about! I know my knots, but have never seen this one before. To anyone interested, have a look at the constrictor knot, very easy to tie, and very versatile.
your almost right, i used to tie tons of steel on wagons for years, we called them barrel knots as it was a variation of that. ropes or straps can be used, if you have the loop in the middle say at the top then you have tightening adjustment. dont put the 2nd one on until you have tightened the first one down with a ratchet or dolly knot, if you do, the first loop will never get tight as you will be only tightening the 2nd one.the 2nd one in that position is overkill anyway. if you have a bit of weight and want to put another across send it in the opposite direction so they will be, how can i put it, fighting each other, you can also use that barrel knot for tying cars on trailers round the wheels/tyres. done it as a paid job for 30 years in the haulage industry.
@Greg Letter if you watch this vid on the link you get the idea, although he is doing it on a steep angle and the loop is underneath, it should be on the top , he is even adjusting the loop to where he wants it to be. if the loop is on the top you wont get that gap between the wood and the rope, but its a good demo. i know he using ropes it will work the same with straps and you get a bonus he shows how to tie a hitch knot too th-cam.com/video/jTiGUYhW1A8/w-d-xo.html
Pretty sure I’ve ended up with something either real similar or exactly that once when frustrated about stuff shifting back n forth like that. Couldn’t remember how I did it tho and it always pissed me off somethin fierce. Now I know. Thanks!
A great knot that I use a lot... not a lot of the up and coming Snowflakes or Millennials have ever been taught this by their Dads. Glad you posted it so others know.
I only come back over the top once, never had the need to do the second loop because it isn't necessary!! By coming back over once it will tie down harder and I've been using that knot for thirty something years !! Scaffold knot
Joe, it seems you're going to have to redo this video, because the amount of idiots who can not figure out by just looking at the video that you use the loose end to ratchet it down is amazing. Forget about the fact that it's written as well. That's why we need nut allergen warnings on packets of peanuts.
Thanks Joe, appreciate this, and haven't seen it before; will def. try it. And please ignore the neg. comments from guys with no class; just keep posting helpful stuff like this, it's really helpful. No matter our age or station in life, we can always learn something new. - Like more on using a rotary table, definitely yes! I'm a relative newbie on the mill and have a rot table but its use intimidates me a bit. Centering it to the spindle's no trouble, but I've ruined more than one part on mine so far! ;-) Thanks again!
Joe, great use of a Munter hitch and a girth hitch. Well done. The Munter hitch is used in climbing for many purposes including a quick belay or releasable hitch. The girth hitch has been in the BSA program since it's inception... (I think).
I don't see a clove hitch.@@1967Twotone Remember the running end and standing end exit the hitch at opposite sides on a clove hitch. On a Munter hitch the running end makes a bight on the standing end. Hope this is clear... hahah.
@@jcknives4162 Nah. Just pull the opposite way from normal on a clove hitch and rearrange it a little and you have Joe's knot. It's number 2159: archive.org/details/TheAshleyBookOfKnots/page/n347
You're first is a half hitch and you're loop is just a locked loop. Look up half hitch. It's a great hitch suitable for a multitude of tasks. You can even rappelle off of it.
@@joepie221 Who made that rule??? The purpose of the clove hitch in this application would be to secure the load from sideways movement. The rope is terminate at each end by the tiedown hooks.
@@joepie221 Oh, I'm kind of a knot nerd. I have Ashley's Book of Knots (ABOK) , and about a dozen more. ABOK has over 3,000 knots in it. It's Machinery's Handbook for knots. I only got the other books for alternate methods to tie some knots.
I've often thought I'd found something new, only to find that it had been thought of before. These days I'll only claim that I haven't seen it done that way before. I appreciate the technique being shared, as a simple loop over only seems to work with three or more similar items. Knots have been one of those things that I have learned and forgotten numerous times. A half-hitch is most common for me. I can recall how to make a sheep-shank, given enough time. All the others, I have to go review, I just don't use them often enough to remember them right away.
Devising a good hitch on your own is always so satisfying. It matters not that another may have discovered it already - so few things can be completely original in the fullness of time, anyway.
This video is about the knot, the ratchet part is another video somewhere else. I'm sure there are different ways to do that as well. I like this knot and plan to use it soon. Oh, about the ratchet part, don't overtighten when using upper rear mounts, you could actually bend in the bed sides, especially if the gate is down.
Be sure to watch this one next th-cam.com/video/R1a3PTscy-U/w-d-xo.html
There is too much chatter before getting to anything worthwhile (at 0:39), but when he finally gets down to business, the knot (it is actually a bind rather than a knot) and his demonstration are very good.
why not just use a "clove hitch" .. it is the almost same thing, easier to learn & does a better job ... instead of "making up a new type of knot" .. ( the clove hitch has been used iin trucking & transportaion since Cleopatra was ruling egypt ) ... & it has NEVER failed .
maybe use a ... "trucker's hitch" .. easy to tie, can tighten at any moment .. never comes loose .. & it is easy to un-tie.
I think that is the "Wife Knot", keeps you centered and pinned down!
Old days, this knot was used by sailors to make rope-wood ladders. I use it sometimes on my boat to fix oar or similar stuff. Greetings from Poland! Great channel!
Thanks for checking in from Poland. I'm pretty sure you are correct about the ladder fact.
Your knot is essentially a Marlin Spike Hitch. Very handy knot to know!
Umnmm, I'm a flatbed driver and as long as you secure the other end (which you should always do) a simple cinch strap (over, under, and back over again) as demonstrated at the 1:50 mark; WILL NOT move, walk, etc. Try it.
My thoughts exactly. And depending on where your hooking your straps you should have no fwd, bwd movement either.
+1. Simple and solid. Never had a problem.
Here's my two bits: it's a great knot and I carry stuff in my truck. I use old rope and a truckers hitch but my trips are short and loads not large. So what if this hitch is already invented...Probably most guys don't know about it and if they were curious how to tie down a load better, wouldn't know where to look...I wouldn't. Good on you Joe!
It’s probably not in knot books, because it’s intended use is for cargo straps on pipe and logs. I have 18yrs in the utility industry. I know it as a CHILLZ KNOT. Some people might call it a modified scaffolding hitch or reef knot, if used with cord or rope. Caution , I have used it on thin wall and if you ratchet the working side to much , it can dent or crush thin wall aluminum.
Knowing where and how to use the right knot is very beneficial. But not as much a inspecting your gear and knowing the safe working limits.
What good does it do to tie the right one if your webbing or rope , equipment and gear are overloaded? Be safe thanks for the reminder
👍I have never ever used a ratchet strap but I want to however they scare me & that’s how I ended up here. This video is fantastic! I appreciate you. Thank you sir 🙏 from all of us daddyless daughters out here. Daddy taught me a lot of stuff but he didn’t get around to teaching me about ratchet straps. RIP daddy. 🙏💝
When it comes to stuff like this, don't buy a $3 ratchet strap. Get one that looks like quality. You can usually tell by the ratchet end of the strap. Some are flimsy sheet metal and others are built for strength. Also be sure to anchor the crank end of the strap to the passenger side of your setup. If it needs to be tightened en route, you won't be standing in traffic doing it.
@@joepie221 - 👍Thank you. 💝
I just do one lap around the cargo, been using it successfully for 35 years. The first ten years or so we even used rope, never had any appreciable movement of the cargo, and never once lost something off the truck or trailer. Although this similar method looks good, I think the only potential advantage would be less risk of the cargo moving left to right if it's tied down with less than optimal downward force. I always tie my one lap starting and ending the loop on top of the cargo, to maximize downward force and prevent the cargo from rolling naturally on the bed or tailgate. Anyway, thanks for a great video. I appreciate your advice and will give this method a go.
Learn this same not back in 78 from some Mexican workers... They were from the country side and knew every knot possible!👍
Hi Joe, I had to change out some argon bottles this morning and used your knot in the bed of my pickup. Worked like a champ. Thanks I really needed that.
We use this when rigging loads with a crane in industrial plants, so the slings don't slip up when a load is applied. This is a choker hitch with a "bite" or "dead bite". When you pass the strap underneath itself, it creates the "bite", which tightens the strap on itself, thus securing the objects (especially round) much better so it won't slip. Very useful. Boilermakers Local 1 Chicago. ✌
Thanks for the enforcement.
If you have a longish flat piece that may catch the wind it will vibrate like mad. It is best to put a twist in the flat section as a wind "vortex breaker" which will stop the flapping and noise.
Can it be used on a four posts bed, or do I need to modify. Asking for a friend.
Modified timber hitch... single versions worked well for attaching reefing lines to the boom on a sailboat.
Hi Joe,
Thanks for sharing!
My mum taught me to tie my shoes when I was 3y.o. Since then I've used the same knot for everything, my shoes, my pyjamas, boats, anchors, stuff on the roof of the car. Sometimes it works ,but not always as I'd like .......... my pyjamas still fall down, stuff blows off the roof of the car and the dog often escapes. I now see the virtue in using the right tool for the job at hand.
Thanks again mate!,,
Steve Callachor
Looks like a good knot for the application. I always use a clove hitch, which does about the same thing, but uses less rope. Ill give the scaffold hitch a try next time and see how it compares. Thanks Joe.
One thing that has never failed me. If u can’t tie knots, tie lots
This is me especially the last part lol
Downside is you have to untie lots at the other end of the trip. It’s MUCH easier to learn a couple of proper knots.
Nice rigging work. Yes please on the rotary table setup and use. And a cross slide rotary table if you have one too. I am interested in cutting a series inside and outside radii in sequence.
I always say that if you had no prior knowledge its existence, and arrived at something that had been done before, you're no less an inventor than the guy taking credit for the earlier version! I wasn't around in the 1600's, and haven't taken any college classes on knot tying, so I'm no expert, but I think your knot kicks ass, and I intend to use it, a bunch! I'm even going to call it the "Pie Bight", in your honor!
Thank You!
Thanks for the comment. I agree about the inventor part. I was fairly proud of the performance of this one and use it a lot.
The scaffold knot needs the tail tied to the opposit side to stop the load moving to the left. Looking forward to the rotary table vids as i need to buy one for my new small mill and do not know whats best or how to setup exactly.
This is a midpoint cinch used with a ratchet strap secured at both ends.
I don't know if anyone already told you that this did exist, but it can be found in Ashley's book of knots from the '40s, as knot number 2159, on page 348. No name is given, but the purpose listed in the book is to "sling a plank on edge", which it says was sometimes necessary in some sailing contexts. A lot of his sailing knots date at least back to the 18th century, but the description for this one doesn't say where he got it, so I'm not sure how old it is. It obviously works very well for this use also, and you should be proud to have come up with it.
I've seen it used to build rope and plank ladders too.
Seen a few ask about the loose end. The loose end would go to a ratchet (ratchet strap) or cam lock(pull strap.)
Joe, definitely going to give this a try, thanks.
of if no rachet/strap (and enough length) do a truckers hitch to tighten the rope against something.
Be sure that you D-rate the strap 30% any time you put a not or a hitch in it. So a 1500kg rated stap is after a hitch or knot D-rated to 1000kg.
Also same for any hard eges that also require packing ie a piece of rubber or some form of sleave over the strap. Some situations may need futher D-rating including well used straps or older straps. Throw out sun damaged staps and any that have been cut or damaged via chemicals etc.
Thank you! A guy rented my toy hauler and tied down his Can Am with some lightweight straps the dealer sold him. I told him no bueno. When he returned the machine had gotten loose and damaged his new toy and my toy-hauler. They don't think about the forces of the 1500 lb machine pulling on those straps when you hit the brakes or get in an accident. Spend the money!
just in case those cardboard tubes break loose!
It looks simple, but I would never have thought of that step of creating a loop over to the other side. Glad there are people like you who can figure these things out. Beautiful!
I was just playing around with this knot on my camping chair armrest when I had a discovery.
This knot is a double half hitch with the two ends pulled in their opposite directions.
It could be an easier way to remember it.
After you tie it a few times, its easy to remember.
Thanks Joe. The last time I bought some 2x4s it took me about a half hour of trial and error before I remembered how to tie that knot. Learned it as a Boy Scout about 65 years ago. Works great. For the uninitiated, a ratchet gizmo with a hook goes on that loose end.
Those that are critical that your video skills are a bit under Spielberg level...just can't please them I guess. I personally appreciate the INFO and will absolutely use this knot - perfect for a situation I'm often in. You rock, Joe!!! The superficial crybabies are unbelievable - lol
I'm calling it the Pie Knot , in your honor .
Great tutorial .
Correction- the Pie Cinch .
This 'lashing' or whatever it ends up being called is really a good solution to bundle and center a load. I trust it and use it. Thanks for the endorsement.
What ever its called i don't care... its an awesome solution to wandering 2x4s and/ or pipe! Thank you for sharing!!
So many knot experts with negative comments. Unbelievable. Great video Joe.
Got a couple of 2x8x10 footers a while back and used this knot, the boards were locked down tighter than a snakes asshole.
Reading some of the comments saying how over complicated this is baffles me.. Hell tying your shoes takes is more of a process than this but people still bitch and moan.
This is pretty simple to replicate to be honest...
I just used this knot a couple of days ago, to hold a step ladder and a few landscaping timbers down in my truck. It worked flawlessly and the load didn't shift one bit!! Thanks for sharing this with us!!
Glad you like it. I use it all the time.
What keeps the load from sliding to the left?
I believe he was just showing how to secure them from moving apart from one another. If he was to have more line on what he was showing to pull it on further to either a hook or eye, he could have synched it down further with a truckers hitch and it would not move any direction.
That's pretty slick. I'll try to remember that. Being an old boy scout, I prefer to use rope rather than straps, but I think this would work just as well with rope. TIP: Putting a twist in your straps will prevent buzzing and vibration caused by the wind as you drive down the road.
Actually in Canada that is called a B .C. hitch. I live in eastern Canada, I used to work on a salmon farm. We used to get supplies from British Columbia, and that was the knot that they used.
Great hitch. Round loads are a pain in the butt to keep solid.
Used it today to secure a couple of 60 litre fuel drums. notoriously hard to keep in 1 place on a steel deck . They never moved more than a couple of millimetres.
It provides a solid grip in both directions.
It's a cool looking wrap and Im sure it works just fine for light duty cardboard tubes and the usual keep it under 90mph kinda stuff etc.. The weak spot(s) are in the two bends of the strap on both sides of the wraps, that's where it'll break on you. That situation I wrap with a clove, won't move left/right or fore/aft and the pressure/stress on the rope remains even.. When you wanna hoist a pipe vertically, you use a clove. Less wraps, stronger and it holds onto anything.
This hitch works like a charm on heavy steel bars regularly. Keeps everything cinched together and centered. The tubes were just for the example.
My dad discovered this years ago and showed me when we were moving a mattress. It is really an excellent principle to keep in mind, especially if you use a truckers hitch for the final tie off. You have to be careful when passing the rope around. This is why I like to use a rope bag. You pass the rope bag around and under as an organized bundle while the rope pays out as you go!
Also make that final trucker's hitch an auto-locking trucker's hitch; those are amazing.
It’s called a half-hitch knot. Been using it all my life to tie down cargo and pull wire thru conduit. Learned it in the Boy Scouts. Used it in the Army where you tie multiple half-hitches to what you want to secure. “If you can’t tie a knot, tie a lot (of these knots)”
it is a scaffold hitch
Yep, scaffold hitch. It's actually a variation of the clove hitch. If you loop a loose clove hitch around the object and reverse direction on each end you get a scaffold knot. i.e. With the knot ends coming across the top, flip the right end to the left and the left end to the right, then secure each end to the left and right tie brackets on the truck.
The official name of that Knot is the “Build something cool knot”😀
I would have thought that name was taken by now. Thanks for checking in Dale. Good to hear from you.
Simple but very effective! I had a friend of mine that used to do some sailing years ago. He knew all kinds of knots that I just couldn't remember! Thanks Joe
Love this hitch. I've always called it a choke. Either over choke or under choke. Never seen it as a double choke though. Fantastic! Definitely going to use this today.
Also, try using steel rings at your loops. Works a treat. Thanks for the tip.
I am sitting waiting for the rotary table video, bring it on..........Ha! Ha!...Love to see it...or....... Knot.
Top comment right here :-)
Tryed this one. like it. After an hour it occored to me that it you tie a clovehitch and reverse the direction of both pulling strands you end up with this knot.
question is : does it keep things in place better than a clove hitch in its more usual configuration ?
I always knew the clove hitch as an end of the line hitch. For tent lines and tying horses and row boats off. Not for mid use.
As others have mentioned, this is a scaffold hitch. Very effective knot for not only tied things down, but can also be used to suspend a board from above (hence the name). If you wanted to complete the tie down, a trucker's hitch to the same attachment point on the other side of the truck bed would really secure things with no chance of slippage. In fact, a trucker's hitch with just a rolling hitch over the tubes would be sufficient, but opting for the stronger scaffold hitch doesn't hurt. Nice job,.
Thanks. I like it for what I use it for.
Should definitely try a clove hitch instead...bit faster but same usage
Nice knot!
As a truck driver in the oilfield in Alaska, (along with being a former boy scout and commercial fisherman, very fond of knots) we used the “gut wrap” method (always wrapping the strap over the load, and around it once, then ratcheting to the other side). This made me always think “over” was the best/only way to keep the load from rolling. In reality, at least in my experience with rope tie-downs, it doesn’t always prevent the load from moving.
I haven’t tried it yet, but I do believe your either/or method using the extra loop, will work fine...and help me overcome a mental stigma of “over” being the only way! Haha!
Thanks for teaching this old dog a new trick!
Nothing beats simple Joe :)
Yes please - rotary tips always good to hear.
Great tip, thank you! Don't let the negative comments get to you. We all know those are the people using a single piece of twine to tie drywall down to the roof of their car......
Looking forward to the rotary table set-up tips! Thanks for the cool knot tip!
I used to know a general contractor who was also an air force reservist. He used rope to tie down all the stuff he carried in his work truck. I can't remember if I ever saw him use a ratchet strap. His air force title/rank was a loadmaster for the C-5 galaxy at that time.
In that case, this method would contain one anchor point, a scaffold hitch at the payload, a trucker knot (loop) secured with a double taut line hitch. Thats not going to move and no ratchet needed.
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Hi, I was about to ask about the loose end. To be me it was so obvious that it would need to be secured with a trucker's hitch that I thought there was maybe some magic causing you not to mention it.
Maybe you should add the loose end to the video. There are plenty folk of the "monkey see, monkey do" type who will leave it flapping and then blame your video for their missing cargo...
But yes, dang useful to remember...
Thanks for sharing.
@@bertkutoob The description mentions some more details, but I have found many people don't read them.
Loadmaster, C-5 Galaxy, = a whole 'nother "elevated" level of tie-down techniques. (pun intended)
40,000+ feet, 500+MPH, and many different 'angles' during flight...
I can't even imagine what it would be like if a load came loose on the way to flight altitude.
Nice lashing trick. If your using a rope for this one Finish the working end with a wagoneers or truckers hitch.
That would do it.
Hey Joe. Very interested in your rotary table tips'n'tricks.
For those who cannot think this through: You'll notice he's using a ratchet strap. Attaching what you see into the video to the other part of the ratchet strap is what will the load shifting to the left.
I have used this knot after watching this video. It works and I watch the video often to keep it fresh in my mind.
My husband said that he could secure that load with less strapping and probably stronger by trying a simple clove hitch with the legs on top. With this knot, you can secure your load off center without any movement. Try it, you’ll use less rope/strap to secure the load.
I may be wrong, but I was always under the impression a clove hitch is a termination knot. Like something you'd tie a horse to a rail with, or a rowboat to a post. I'm not sure If a clove hitch is intended to be used between 2 points.
"My husband said that he could......."
That's great, but how can you recommend something based on hearsay? Let us know when you try it yourself.
@@joepie221 You are correct. And a clove hitch would tend to want to spin your load when pulling from both ends of the line . Not a good choice.
When I said, “ My husband”, it was actually me; the husband. To secure a load as shown you would secure one end of your road/strap, tie your clove hitch around your load, then secure the other end with any number of knots. I would recommend a trucker’s knot. My wife wasn’t a boy scout.
thanks for the heads up .. i'm always trying to find the best tie-down knot, now i got it .. it's videos like this that are moving people like me forward
Your hitch seems so close to an alpine butterfly loop with the posts being the loop of the knot. You would just need to turn your bight towards you and fish the tag through the eye, away from you, between the first turn around the left working end and the posts before feeding it through the bight. That probably does not make sense, but hey, no sense in changing something that is working!
In the industrial rescue world that is called a double Munter hitch. Excellent knot. Good job!!!
It’s not so much a knot as it is applying a “bight” to your securing method. But your correct it’s a tight secure method. Thanks for sharing. Good job!
My knot terminology is limited, but It is intended to be used on a full secure tie down. The loop in the middle is very effective.
Bring on the rotary table , I’m all eyes and ears. Been waiting for it . Thanks for the knot, it looks like it would work with rope or strap, throw a truckers hitch on that tail and you will be gold. 👍 !
Rotary table videos would be great Joe, I'm sure you have some cool tricks.
Well, there's nothing new under the Sun, even if you invent it yourself! Thanks for the clip, Joe, valuable as usual... Ignore the dissers, they got problems they don't even know about!
I know my knots, but have never seen this one before.
To anyone interested, have a look at the constrictor knot, very easy to tie, and very versatile.
What knot to like?
Nice one. Take the day off. You earned it.
your almost right, i used to tie tons of steel on wagons for years, we called them barrel knots as it was a variation of that.
ropes or straps can be used, if you have the loop in the middle say at the top then you have tightening adjustment.
dont put the 2nd one on until you have tightened the first one down with a ratchet or dolly knot, if you do, the first loop
will never get tight as you will be only tightening the 2nd one.the 2nd one in that position is overkill anyway.
if you have a bit of weight and want to put another across send it in the opposite direction so they will be, how can i put it,
fighting each other, you can also use that barrel knot for tying cars on trailers round the wheels/tyres.
done it as a paid job for 30 years in the haulage industry.
@Greg Letter if you watch this vid on the link you get the idea, although he is doing it on a steep angle and the loop is
underneath, it should be on the top , he is even adjusting the loop to where he wants it to be.
if the loop is on the top you wont get that gap between the wood and the rope, but its a good demo.
i know he using ropes it will work the same with straps and you get a bonus he shows how to tie a hitch knot too
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The truckers hitch. A great knot 👍🏽
Have a mini mill & recently got a rotary table. Always looking to learn more so do your best as you always do! Will try your tie down idea too.
Joe - congratulations you just self discovered the scaffold hitch.
Wow you're so smart I wish I could be just like you
@@hotvodka7641 He is right. You should wish to be smart like him.
Been using that same knot for years now! It is called the pancho perez knot, originated in Sonora, Mexico. Sorry to break it to you like this. Cheers
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A Clovehitch works as well, as long as it’s backed up with the Half hitch If not, it can vibrate loose
Joe, you don't need to ask if we want to see another machining video.
We ALWAYS want to see another video. LOL.
Dad taught me this more than 60 years ago. Great little video. Short. Too the point. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
You totally invented a new and very useful knot! Nevermind that others knew it - you didn't - you still invented a cool knot. Kudos! :)
Pretty sure I’ve ended up with something either real similar or exactly that once when frustrated about stuff shifting back n forth like that. Couldn’t remember how I did it tho and it always pissed me off somethin fierce. Now I know. Thanks!
Choke knot used to do these for plastic pipes on a truck
Joe, I wouldn't really call it a knot. It would be more of a lashing I think. But it is very cool for the purpose it's used.
It a Half Marlin Spike Hitch.
Yes show us the rotary table setup. Thanks for the rope trick.
A great knot that I use a lot... not a lot of the up and coming Snowflakes or Millennials have ever been taught this by their Dads. Glad you posted it so others know.
It may have already been invented, but I stumbled across it messing around tying loads. It works great.
I only come back over the top once, never had the need to do the second loop because it isn't necessary!! By coming back over once it will tie down harder and I've been using that knot for thirty something years !! Scaffold knot
Won't it still slide back to the left?
any tie down will slide if you don't finish it.
I am excited to hear you’re thinking of rotary table set up I have a rotary table and only a vague idea of how to use it!
Joe, it seems you're going to have to redo this video, because the amount of idiots who can not figure out by just looking at the video that you use the loose end to ratchet it down is amazing.
Forget about the fact that it's written as well.
That's why we need nut allergen warnings on packets of peanuts.
If you don't know that the other end goes into the strap ratchet, you don't belong securing anything.....LOL!
It would be so helpful if they just read the description.
I think those are the ones whose mom DID let them play with plastic bags. :-)
Thanks Joe, appreciate this, and haven't seen it before; will def. try it. And please ignore the neg. comments from guys with no class; just keep posting helpful stuff like this, it's really helpful. No matter our age or station in life, we can always learn something new.
- Like more on using a rotary table, definitely yes! I'm a relative newbie on the mill and have a rot table but its use intimidates me a bit. Centering it to the spindle's no trouble, but I've ruined more than one part on mine so far! ;-) Thanks again!
It's still not secure. Am I missing something here?
Yes. read the video description.
Joe, great use of a Munter hitch and a girth hitch. Well done. The Munter hitch is used in climbing for many purposes including a quick belay or releasable hitch. The girth hitch has been in the BSA program since it's inception... (I think).
It's a clove hitch though.
I don't see a clove hitch.@@1967Twotone Remember the running end and standing end exit the hitch at opposite sides on a clove hitch. On a Munter hitch the running end makes a bight on the standing end. Hope this is clear... hahah.
Munter! I couldn't get it off the tip of my tongue lol
Yes on the girth hitch from scouts and military. Munter I learned from an old feller. The things we pick up
@@jcknives4162 Nah. Just pull the opposite way from normal on a clove hitch and rearrange it a little and you have Joe's knot. It's number 2159: archive.org/details/TheAshleyBookOfKnots/page/n347
your overthinking it. Under around tie down to opposite side of vehicle done.
Thats a rolling loop. Its not effective with a heavy bar.
You're first is a half hitch and you're loop is just a locked loop. Look up half hitch. It's a great hitch suitable for a multitude of tasks. You can even rappelle off of it.
Clove hitch. Why complicate things?
A clove hitch is not a central tie down knot. Its a termination knot.
@@joepie221 Who made that rule??? The purpose of the clove hitch in this application would be to secure the load from sideways movement. The rope is terminate at each end by the tiedown hooks.
Yeah clove hitch is way better and easy! Lol.
@@kevinmckenzie287 I would bet a clove hitch would let the load migrate under pressure.
I would like to learn more about the rotary table
Looking at the length of the tube you could of placed them diagonally, then they would have been inside the bed no lashing or knot required.
You know this is an example, right? It's just to show how the knot is done.
Actually the tubes are 12 feet long and go through the cab rear window.
My mistake
hey joe can you show up your tricks for the rotary table
That's actually a scaffold hitch, but it should work well for this also.
Excellent. I just looked it up, and you look to be spot on. How did you know this?
@@joepie221 Oh, I'm kind of a knot nerd. I have Ashley's Book of Knots (ABOK) , and about a dozen more. ABOK has over 3,000 knots in it. It's Machinery's Handbook for knots. I only got the other books for alternate methods to tie some knots.
I've often thought I'd found something new, only to find that it had been thought of before. These days I'll only claim that I haven't seen it done that way before. I appreciate the technique being shared, as a simple loop over only seems to work with three or more similar items.
Knots have been one of those things that I have learned and forgotten numerous times. A half-hitch is most common for me. I can recall how to make a sheep-shank, given enough time. All the others, I have to go review, I just don't use them often enough to remember them right away.
My favourite is a "Highway man's hitch"
mwechtal Since you are knowledgeable In knots, what knot is recommended for this application? Thanks, Chris
Devising a good hitch on your own is always so satisfying. It matters not that another may have discovered it already - so few things can be completely original in the fullness of time, anyway.
Called a choker here in nz
This video is about the knot, the ratchet part is another video somewhere else. I'm sure there are different ways to do that as well. I like this knot and plan to use it soon. Oh, about the ratchet part, don't overtighten when using upper rear mounts, you could actually bend in the bed sides, especially if the gate is down.
I've seen guys do that, then wonder why the tailgate doesn't open.
As a sailor, eagle scout, and mountaineer, it is not often I learn a new knot. I dig this.