Hey everyone! Woah I was not expecting so much buzz for this video... Thank you so much! I wasn't planning on making more transit videos (I made this on a whim because I was connecting through Toronto to get back to school haha), but I think you've changed my mind. I can do Edmonton vs Calgary pretty easily if there's interest. I'd love to ride the skytrain in Vancouver, but I don't know when I'll be there next (hopefully sometime this summer). My next few videos aren't going to be transit related, but stay tuned in the coming months for more train nerdiness :)
Definitely do Edmonton and Calgary. The systems are so similar (apart from Edmonton's Valley Line) that the differences that exist really stand out. This statement goes for Edmonton and Calgary in general, honestly.
Definitely get into transit videos you put together quite a good video! Our community is tight knit and I find there isn’t a ton of female representation so you’d do great. Check out RM Transit as well, he’s another great transit TH-camr.
Would also be fun if you decided to try systems in the US eventually - definitely not as pleasant overall but there are increasing pockets of strength/revitalisation that would be cool to get your perspective on :)
Transit content is a bit of an untapped market still in North America, but transit itself is growing here so if you do get into it, you have an audience waiting haha.
Montreal monthly pass for an adult is $ 97.00 while Toronto is $ 156.00 = $ 59 ,00 higher per month in Toronto Montreal monthly pass for students is : $58 ,00 while Toronto is $128.15 = $ 70.15 higher per month for Toronto Montreal seniors ( 65+ ) is free for public transport for seniors living on the Island, Toronto seniors is $ 128.15 = $128.15 per month more in Toronto If you travel from outside the Island of Montreal ( zone B , Longueil , Laval ) the monthly for an adult pass is $155.00 and $ 92.00 for studiants ...... Montreal monthly metro fares are way lower than Toronto .
insane how much you pay for such a small system, we pay 49€ a month in Berlin/Germany, for a much bigger more expansive system. How much are single fares? They sound worth it atp
@@cooltwittertag it's because governments here are historically notorious for underfunding transit and spending tons of money on car-centric design, which is economically unsustainable.
@@cooltwittertag Yup, we all know that North American cities are undeniably car-centric, which affect funding, etc. Obviously, we can't compare to most European cities or East Asia's in terms of public transit metrics.
Another subway lover! I don't live in a city with a subway system, my city only has a crappy bus system that shows up half an hour late. But I do love riding subways whenever I'm in big cities like Toronto.
@@AchyuthaReddy the closest I've come to living in a city with a subway system is Ottawa with it's O train confederation line. But that was only for a short period in university before the pandemic hit. I used to find any excuse to ride the O Train when I was in university.
What i like the most about the Metro of Montreal is that you get direct access to the 2 main hospitals of Montreal. Station Vendome - The McGill University Hospital , and station Champ de Mars- The CHUM the Hospital of Universite de Montreal.
As a former Toronto local, I have never experienced any safety issues whatsoever, even if I end up travelling during sports games or rush hour (the closest station to me is also all the way out in Vaughan)
Toronto has 3 subway lines under construction and 3 extensions too! This is gonnabe really transformative for Toronto as we're slowly turning into a transit city and finally getting platform screen doors starting with the Ontario line. Not to mention the GO train expansion/electrification and a waterfront LRT + eglinton east lrt in the works that need funding. Toronto's suburb, Mississauga is also building an LRT to another suburb, Brampton which is gonna be really cool to see. Ontarios improving slowly but surely.
The transit system is always a little bit different every time I come back to Toronto, so I'm really excited to ride it in a few years when the construction is further along!
Having lived in both cities here's my personal assessment: - STM metro has way better coverage than TTC subway (granted Montreal is a smaller/moire compact city) - TTC wins on accessibility, STM is improving but a large number of stations aren't fully accessible yet which is a huge factor if you need the mobility - Montreal's fares are cheaper (even when accounting for the income differences in both cities) and they have better programs for the elderly/students to ride freely/cheaply - I personally prefer TTC's cross-modal integration with subway stations because it doesn't require you to exit the "paid fare" zone to take a bus/streetcar and makes for easier wayfinding for routes you're less familiar with, whereas some metro stations you have to walk a block outside of the station to find the correct bus stop Everything else you mostly covered already! Both are great systems and growing up in Montreal I obviously have bias but it's great either way to see progress in public transit infrastructure in Canada!
TTC has one fare for use on 5 other transit systems you did not mention that. Also the REM System in the metro it the same as the 2 LRT System that TTC is building in Toronto both runing east and west Anne being integrated with the TTC subway stations. The PATH system underground is the largest underground system in the world. I think should report to include these items.
Montreal subway fares a lot cheaper than Toronto ...You compared only a single ticket but people living in the city buy monthly passes .... Monthly pass for Montreal Metro is $97 . Adult and $ 58 . For students and free for seniors living on the island of Montreal . Toronto monthly pass is $ 156 .00 adult ,$ 128 . 00 students $128 for seniors The Montreal subway is more modern , high tech , doors light indicator , faster and 100 % underground and do not need air conditioning ( special air system ) so greener Than Toronto .. Montreal subway is very well connected to busses like Toronto . I dont understand your comments about buses in Montreal.... As for safety , Montreal is way safer than Toronto . The cost of a ticket change only if Travel outside the island ( South shore and North shore ) and the ticket is good for all mode of transports including theREM All metro stations in Montreal was designed by a different architect .for each stations .
This video got suggested to me not sure if your channel is new, but it's pretty much red meat for my viewing choices as someone who has lived in MTL and is avid transit user in toronto. Fares: biggest issue I have with Opus is you don't have the 2 hour transfer issue. I accdidentally realized this once when i was doing a pub crawl in MTL. Accessibility: My issue with MTL is the deep stations are actually a pain in the ass. We have the same issue at some of our stations. That being said, Lionel Groulx x-platform transfers are very nice. But the one at Jean-Talon is very bad. Safety: Toronto is full of Karens who complain about safety and are scared to ride a train. It's more cultural. I ride TTC all the time and it's more that the homeless people make you feel uncomforable. I can't say I live in MTL or ride it all the time. Although, I gotta say Berri-UQAM was dodgy as fuck when I went ther. Innovation: REM is such a win. Toronto's Yonge line ATC upgrade actually resulted in slower trains. We suck at life. Yeah also NGL, you're definitely raising the relative cuteness level of the foamer youtuber community.....subscribed.
Toronto has a flat fare within the city (so does Montreal btw, a zone A ticket), but Toronto doesn't have a flat fare with neighbouring suburbs ,contrarily to Montreal. Montreal's zone-based fare system seems much simpler to me : with one zone D single ticket you can take a bus in Montreal to your nearest metro station, take the metro to the train station, take the train to St-Jérôme (45 km away) and then take the local St-Jérôme local bus. This would be equivalent to using one single ticket to take the streetcar to a subway station, taking the subway to Union Station, catching a train to Barrie, and then taking a local bus. Hard to beat in terms of simplicity
In the end, the 'zones' in Montreal are not that confusing... because you will probably NOT leave Montreal in the first place. Chances that tourists go on the south or north shore is basically nil. So on that point, MTL is pretty much like TO 🙂
As someone who uses a cane, and has used both Montreal & Toronto transit, I’d say Toronto is more accessible. Mostly as there are elevators in a large amount of TTC stations, and if not, escalators, but I had trouble with the crazy amount of stairs in montreals stations
I'm so glad you commented, because I haven't heard much about peoples' experiences with accessibility on the transit systems... Thank you for sharing your perspective!
In terms of innovation you forgot to mention the Scarborough RT which is the worlds first fully automatic train and that Vancouver used as a base plate for their sky train.
As a Torontonian, Montreals system is better in my opinion. I love the rubber-tired trains, the stations are all interesting. Where Montreal falters is its connections. Montreal no longer has trams and their buses are less reliable than in Toronto, however, they now have the REM, and that is a game changer! I think even Vancouvers system is better than the Toronto Subway. The Vancouver SkyTrain is amazing!
@@SigmaRho2922 The new Azure trains have air conditioning and run on the Orange and Green lines. The stations are also quite deep and get pretty warm. I’ve been to Montreal in both February and July, and they’re both fine.
@@claudelemire2451 I mean I was there in July and found the temperature or rather the circulation of air quite refreshing. It’s like theirs a nice steady breeze of air inside the trains.
We need more Public Transportation and Train enthusiasts here... one of the metrics in which Canadian cities match up poorly against those of Europe and Asia is Public Transport and specifically Metro systems (or lack thereof).
There is no smell unless the train needs to break for an emergency. The temperature in the tunnels are stable. The rubber is graded for that temperature not like normal north American car tires.
@@Richard-nd8km Interesting perspective from a resident. I actually found Toronto very modern and it seemed like there was construction everywhere. I thought it was a little lacking in character, and not nearly as fun as Montreal. Montreal has the best looking people too. I wonder why that is.
@@markrichards6863 Montreal is definitely more fun. Reason being its more dense and also smaller in land size, so neighbourhoods are more happening because the walkable areas of Montreal are contained in only a few neighbourhoods like Downtown, Villeray, Cote des neige, Plateau, Rosemont, Outremont etc. and because the city is cheaper there is more disposable income to go out and enjoy yourself. Toronto is more of a financial and entertainment hub, whereas Montreal is an easygoing and more gritty city with artists moving there to take advantage of cheaper rents (although this is changing). Also a big outpost of Europeans (Belgium and France) moving there for better work prospects and lifestyle (which explains the fashion scene and imo good looks). Toronto’s culture is more work hard-play hard, and Montreal is more festival and arts-oriented and more blue-collar.
I lived in Toronto for 8 year, 2001-2008 and then montreal, 2008-2024. Toronto is a good ubway but if you don't live close to it, good luck. Both are good subways. I am a train enthusiast too. I like the train-like features of the TTC but I also love the bumpy ride for Montreal. I am jut going to correct you on one point: everywhere in Montreal is same price, it only varies if you go in outside of montreal because of subway does extend to the suburbs. I also want to correct you again: ingle fares: toronto win? Except nobody uses single fares and that's not what should be considered. People who use collective transportation ue it monthly and monthly, Toronto is 156$ while Montreal is 94$ Cost is thus 100% to Montreal. Also, as explained above, it's still easier to use subway here because the price variation you spoke of also applies to toronto going into the suburbs. As for handicapped availability? Toronto. 100%. Montreal only has 7 station with elevators. the rest have stairs which wheelchairs cannot use. this is rapidly changing but not before 2027, where all our station will have an elevator. Also montreal has a bigger density, obviously. we're a small island while toronto is a sprawling mess. this is why our subway cover more vastness and not jut a straight line and a U. We have the same legal system, so both places consider the same stuff to be a crime. There's lots of reasons why montreal is a safer city than toronto but a lot of it is political so i'll skip that. We are also creating new line! connecting blue, to green, to orange, going diagonal so truly you can go anywhere in the city, FAST. We also have newer cars than Toronto, through the AZUR train which is cutting edge. In 1990. So our car are newer, but whenever toronto upgrade theirs, it will undoubtedly be better. One thing I like about toronto i the A/C. I think this is why you pay almost 60$ more per month though and in a bus, it does make the driver sick with constant cold/hot air coming at them so we went for a more union pro-worker stance but damn it's hot in the summer. Technically, and this is true, Toronto have the larger underground city because it was jealous of montreal but it's colder here and it wa built overtime whereas toronto wanted a underground city and thus, built one. It didn't come alive, or still doesn't come alive, as much as ours but with that being said, we have the largest used underground city in the world. Make sense, too. I think you should come back, and check it again. because there's no way that a subway that only goes eat-west and then north-south in a very close U isn't going to cover vastnes the way our metro map looks. you can go ANYWHERE in montreal using the subway. this is not even remotely true for Toronto. As a train enthusiast to another, come! (change your mind)(because it should be 4-1!)
This is so not true. You can’t go anywhere in Montreal using the subway. In Toronto we dont have as much coverage as its more spread out but we are building 3 new lines and we also have a much larger commuter rail network that is expanding and electrifying. We also have streetcars/trams so I think Toronto’s transit network is much better.
You dont need AC in the Montreal subway since 100 % underground and excellent ventiltion plus Montreal is the world #1 most sustainable city ... Vancouver is 4 th but Toronto is the most polluted , non sustainable and 3 rd worst world city for traffic and C02 see Tom TOm traffic index 2013 .. Vancouver ranked 32 nd and Montreal 103 for worst traffic im the world
@@ghostassoc you can go anywhere on the island. except eat end and north eat end. which i why our newest line will open there and it's still connected through rem. and buses. treetcars are totally inneficient UNLESS they have their own designated lane like spadina or st-clair. this i actually peer reviewed opinion based upon studies of streetcars. What you don't understand i montreal is tiny. Greater Montreal Area i big and not all that accesible by subway even though you can go to the biggest two suburb which are out of the island through subway, Something toronto doesn't allow. Another giant thing i we are a nordic country, with a winter and a bunch of toronto stations are actually... outdoor? this i a no go to encourage ridership.
After going from Mtl to Paris, Mtl has a lot to learn. I think trams are a great way of plugging holes in transport, but projects like the REM really are driving the public transport in Paris. The RER in Paris is so great. Imagine going from Granby to Gare centrale in 45 minutes and stopping at Marieville, Chambly, St-Hubert, Longueuil and a lot of cities in between. And all of that with a simple ticket or a monthly pass. Or imagine going from Repentigny to Berri-Uquam in 20 minutes, with a train that passes every 5 minutes all day long. What Montreal needs is better transport from the suburbs to the center. Imagine going from Blainville to Longueuil in less than an hour. It's truly amazing to have trains like the RER. So practical. And I hope the REM becomes a success story, because that is the future of transports (or the present in Paris).
Montteal subway is a masterpiece , fast , high tech , clean , modern , excellent ventilation and no need for AC since 100 % underground .... Montreal is world #1 most sustainable city and only green energy ....
I am an ex-Montrealer who has lived in Toronto for the past 30 years and, as a regular commuter, although both systems are good, I much prefer Toronto overall.
Been riding the ttc for many decades, since i was 7-8 years old and we t through the P.A.T.H. many times. And the firdt time in MTL seeing the trains and underground system, overall felt so much better than Toronto's thats for sure.
Cool! Loved the video :) For me, a very important aspect that you didn't mention is the average speed. Both are very large cities and getting from point to point quickly is key. My feeling is in Montreal you can travel further in the same time than in Toronto. Plus the REM which will be transformational. Coverage by the metro (in %) is also probably higher in Montreal. Architecturally, the Montreal metro beats the Toronto subway by a country mile too. Plus, Toronto seems to be building trams where they should be building subways (Eglington Crosstown...). For me, there is no doubt, Montreal is better.
Yeah, I have had little experience with Montreal but the last time I used their metro, I was thoroughly impressed. I had to catch a bus back to Toronto, and I was absolutely sure I was going to miss the bus but the train absolutely ripped through the stops, and I actually got to the bus a few minutes early. No way that would have happened in Toronto.
Montreal is extending it's subway on the blue line 5 stations and the rem when complete will have 27 stations with direct service to the airport for the flat fare everywhere else in the city no surcharge should all be done by 2029
Hello fellow train nerd! Great video! I loved Montreals metro when I visited there, I hope I get to check out Torontos at some point soon. I think it’s worth mentioning that a monthly pass in Montreal can be cheaper if you’re only getting a zone a pass, so i think cost just depends on how you’re using it.
Great video, you explained it very well. I live in Toronto (hence my channel name) and I love both systems! They’re clean and efficient at times, maybe Toronto can be better in reliability and most definitely safety. The STM stations are very beautiful too, it’s like you’re in a museum as you’re going about your day on the metro. TTC has nice stations too but really not as nice as STM, however ours can be a lot more maintained daily. Our subway trains are also more spacious than on the STM, but even their trains are actually nicer than ours. TTC is way more accessible friendly than STM; we’ll have elevators/accessibility features in all stations in the next two years. STM is way behind in that as I think between 7-10 stations have them. TTC is also about to begin service on two light rail lines end of this year, with more projects to come with building new lines/extending existing lines and expanding existing stations. The Ontario line will also be very similar, like extremley similar to the REM. I was last in Montreal on July 26-29, 2023 and will be back when the western leg of the REM opens end of this year.
I think you missed allot of things about MTL subway system sorry :) and the RESO MTL undergrounds is Not only a little bigger than TO but the Largest in the World
Montreal has a better public transit network. The stations have been in place in most cases for more than 40 years. The residents around those stations have adapted to having a metro stop. The issue with expanding the metro is cost. The new stations that are planned are in neighbourhoods that the city established long ago for more densification. The blue line is currently underused but with the expansion this will likely change over the next 20 years. Returning to the issue of costs it is difficult to get the communities off of the island to contribute more to subsidize public transit. So there is this strange mix in the area of REM and regional busses. That will take a long time to change.
Hm I think in an ideal world cities would be able to plan transit ahead of time or build neighbourhoods around transit, but trains can take a long time to build. I know a lot of cities test out proposed lines with bus service first to see if there’s enough demand to offset the cost of construction. Regardless, being able to market the REM and other new train lines is just as big of a task as building them, especially in the suburbs where reliance on cars is so ingrained
Parts of the Toronto subway are above ground, so during heavy snowstorms trains can grind to a halt. I may be wrong but I think all of Montreal's metro is underground.
Good video. I live around Edmonton and our transit is being built out like crazy but it isn't very good, is super sketchy, and most of it runs at grade which is super annoying. This is a great video about these transit systems. The Ontario line will be cool, but I still think the skytrain in Vancouver is the best transit in Canada.
Nice video thanks. One clarification though. REM is not the longest driverless metro in the world, at 67 km. Vancouver's Skytrain has currently 79.6 km of track, and is adding another 5.7 currently. I know these things change constantly, but does anyone know if Vancouver has the longest driverless metro, or is it somewhere else?
5.7 km for the Broadway extension of the Millennium Line that will be finished in 2026 and then another 16 km extension of the Expo Line from Surrey to Langley finishing sometime near the end of this decade.
According to the internet, the title currently goes to Dubai Metro. Parts of Dubai were modelled after Vancouver, only bigger. So naturally the metro is too (for now at least).
Montreal STM is way way better not even a debate cleaner accessible cheaper safer I have seen some weird things in Toronto metro now i moved to London Ontario still miss Montreal beautiful city
Welcome to the transit nerd side of TH-cam! Please don't be overwhelmed, haha. I have yet to experience transit in Montreal, but Toronto's pretty high up there when it comes to North American transit. The Presto card has made it so much easier to travel between agencies. I'm still partial to my home of Calgary though. We're finally back to pre-pandemic levels of service and ridership and hopefully growth and increases in frequency! Council recently added something like $4m of funding perpetually starting in the 2024 budget cycle, specifically for high capacity transit routes, so we'll see if it shows up in the March transit service schedule!
Visiting Calgary I find it still extremely dissapointing in terms of transit coverage. The green line will be great when its done but the city is too spread out and low density.
@@torink8229 my experience hasn’t been that bad. There aren’t that many cultural icons inaccessible to transit in Calgary…please don’t say Seniore’s pizza. 🤣 I’ve gone many trips from the edge of the city to the other edge of the city in about an hour and a half. People are praising Phoenix for their LRT extension, but the line doesn’t even touch the edges of the urban area, and it still takes 1h50 to traverse the single line.
@@AustinSersen Well i’m glad your experience has been positive. I have no way to get from Riverbend to Cougar ridge unless I want to take a billion busses.
Definitely a little overwhelmed haha, but I've been watching transit videos for a while, so it's really cool to find other people that are interested in it too. I've only been on Calgary transit once, but I definitely want to come back and take a longer ride :)
In almost 2 decades, I've ridden both cities many times! I do enjoy riding STM Metro with thanks to the nicest car design that works well with the french culture and the colour! Toronto is a tough place, theirs is more like a normal city but they are more focused with their frequent service! I do enjoy listening riding the stop announcement in Montréal more than Toronto!
@@AchyuthaReddy they added it as of several years ago! It had none in the past, so who knows when the doors do close before it goes into your face! Yes, the chime is based from MR-73 Jemont motor acceleration!
The STM runs the Montreal metro, which is all underground and primarily serves downtown and the denser parts of Montreal. CDPQ (a province owned corporation) runs the REM, which is mostly above ground and serves the outer parts of the city that are less dense. I can’t tell you why two different corporations run the two different systems, but the systems themselves are different because the type of service they provide is different
i think this video just attracted a bunch of transit nerds to ur channel lmao. Idk if ur specifically a transit youtuber or it’s just for fun but you’ll definitely have an audience if u decide to go that route. Just remember me when you’re famous‼️🫶
While I appreciate the effort here, Toronto has a greater population but not a higher population density. Also, while Montreal has an almost equivalent ridership to Toronto (until fairly recently actually higher), per capita Toronto is much less. Lastly, you can get to more points via Montreal metro than Toronto because Toronto has long straightish lines. Hope this video gets revisited.
TTC is also expanding a bunch of stations including the Yonge Dundas one which is one of the most used stations in NA, they are putting plataform screen doors, widening the plataforms and modernizing everything, inlucluding a new set of driverless trains in the Ontario Line which If I'm not mistaken will pass through the Yonge Dundas station
Disclaimer, I live in Montréal. The Metro is one of the most comfortable transit systems to ride. The rubber wheels really help. I've ridden the NYC, DC, and Toronto systems, too. DC's system was one of the first to allow you to "buy" a fare card and reload it, too. Very cool. I think I kept mine from over 30 years ago. That was how cool it was to me at the time. NYC transit, I just had my head on a swivel, naturally. Again, it is a similar time frame. The TTC was a very enjoyable experience. I totally loved the loop at the bottom of the line. So cool. The screeching wheels going around that corner... visceral! Now, if only Montréal would bring back streetcars... Awesome! BTW, I loved the video!
TO's subway isn't bad , just as convenient and quick , maybe not as comfortable as Montreal's , definitely not as affordable. Like everything about TO, they replicate NYC. Montreal is unique has its own character and vibe on each station more enjoyable ride. Give it up to Montreal clear winner
Montreal is the clear winner. The lines are better laid out, whereas in Toronto there are subway deserts. Also, the stations in Montreal are more attractive and aesthetically pleasing. Toronto’s stations are boring and plain. Check out the Outremont station in Montreal. Montreal’s system is older - and dates back to the ‘60s so it has a cool retro vibe. Plus Montreal is just cooler than Toronto. Montreal is also a safer city I think. This said, I enjoy the city of Toronto more. My all time favourite subway is that of Paris. It literally takes you everywhere and the stations are amazing.
I'm not convinced Montreal's is better lol. I haven't used Montreal's metro though. Toronto has the Eglinton cross town which is the biggest expansion in decades and the finch line coming this year and then there is the ontario line. Also the up express is basically connected to two subway lines. There is also streetcars, some are dedicated, some not. Having said that just judging by the videos I would say the Montreal metro is nicer looking and and more pleasant experience. It's a shame that Toronto does not have more extensive coverage like cities in europe and east asia, this is due to political gridlock, but at least in recent times we are headed in the right direction.
The enthusiasm you exude is infectious! You have a bright future ahead of you in the area of metro transit planning and implementation if you so choose! Best of luck in all your endeavors! New Sub......
Violence has skyrocketed on the TTC due to the explosion of homeless and mentally individuals. She forgot to mention the massive LRT lines she to open within to next year or so: The Eglinton Crosstown and the Finch West LRT.
Need to organize the transit with other municipalities. Eglinton Subway should run all the way to Square One Mississauga, Mississauga/Brampton LRT should have been a subway. Complete wasted opportunity.
I haven't taken the subway in Toronto but based on what I've seen on video it's similar to the MBTA Red, Orange snd Blue Lines in Boston before the MBTA went to the dogs. I have gone on the Montreal Métro though and found it to be far superior to the MBTA. So I suppose Montreal's is better than Toronto's.
Toronto is on the North-Western Shore of Lake Ontario while Montréal is on the Island of Montréal in the middle of the St-Lawrence River aka Fleuve St-Laurent and River of Canada. Toronto is bigger ! both in population and size. Toronto is the Capital of the Province of Ontario and the biggest City in Ontario while Montréal is not the Capital of the Province of Québec . The honor goes to Québec City. However Montréal is the biggest city (métropole) in the Province of Québec . Also Montréal Suburbs (i.e. Laval and Longueuil) are less populated than Toronto Suburbs (Missisauga, Brampton)+ and others Exurbs like Oakville and Hamilton. P.S. A metropole is a city over 1 Millions Habitants. A city with a population over 10 millions habitants is called a megalopole.
Montreal metro does not have air conditioning installed on their subway cars. So, on a very hot, humid day, if you're going to work or school using the metro...
True! I know the TTC has had problems with AC on their older trains, but it’s better than in Montreal where none of subway cars have AC. Definitely sucks as the summers get hotter
Running on tires makes Montréal's Métro quieter and gives it better acceleration, breaking and hill climbing habilities. Most stations are higher than the tunnels leading to them, so the arriving train climbs a hill and the departing train uses gravity to accelerate. That saves energy.
I love trains and refuse to see anything running on tires as trains, but as a train enthusiast living in Montreal and working (remotely) in Toronto, I find the Toronto Subway painfully slow in comparison, even though I actually work on expanding it…
Montreal metro is high tech , modern , faster , 100 % underground (greener, does not need AC ) and always had acces to internet in all the stations and subways . Toronto got wifi at the end of 2023 . The Toronto subway is also vey noisy and slow compared to Montreal ... Montreal subway stations are a masterpiece designed , each station was designed by a different architect . For busses , all subway stations are connected to a very efficient bus Network soon 100 % electric . For 2023, Montreal is # 1 world most sustainable city and VAncouver is rhe 4 th . As for design , Montreal is a UNESCO city of design ( 40 cities in the world . Montreal is also the 3 rd largest aerspace center in the world ( after Toulouse and Seattle ) and transport engineeringand Ai world leader .
Hey everyone! Woah I was not expecting so much buzz for this video... Thank you so much! I wasn't planning on making more transit videos (I made this on a whim because I was connecting through Toronto to get back to school haha), but I think you've changed my mind.
I can do Edmonton vs Calgary pretty easily if there's interest. I'd love to ride the skytrain in Vancouver, but I don't know when I'll be there next (hopefully sometime this summer). My next few videos aren't going to be transit related, but stay tuned in the coming months for more train nerdiness :)
Definitely do Edmonton and Calgary. The systems are so similar (apart from Edmonton's Valley Line) that the differences that exist really stand out. This statement goes for Edmonton and Calgary in general, honestly.
Definitely get into transit videos you put together quite a good video! Our community is tight knit and I find there isn’t a ton of female representation so you’d do great. Check out RM Transit as well, he’s another great transit TH-camr.
Would also be fun if you decided to try systems in the US eventually - definitely not as pleasant overall but there are increasing pockets of strength/revitalisation that would be cool to get your perspective on :)
Transit content is a bit of an untapped market still in North America, but transit itself is growing here so if you do get into it, you have an audience waiting haha.
@@TheFlyingMooseCA What an absolutely stupendous idea. We get so little information about the US.
Montréal metro is beautiful.. lots of art inside and every station is different . One of a kind metro in north america 👌
But, you sweat the hell out during summer months. Trains are not air conditioned and are narrower. Pros and Cons on both sides.
@@bmw803True and their SO LOUD
Montreal monthly pass for an adult is $ 97.00 while Toronto is $ 156.00 = $ 59 ,00 higher per month in Toronto
Montreal monthly pass for students is : $58 ,00 while Toronto is $128.15 = $ 70.15 higher per month for Toronto
Montreal seniors ( 65+ ) is free for public transport for seniors living on the Island, Toronto seniors is $ 128.15 = $128.15 per month more in Toronto
If you travel from outside the Island of Montreal ( zone B , Longueil , Laval ) the monthly for an adult pass is $155.00 and $ 92.00 for studiants ......
Montreal monthly metro fares are way lower than Toronto .
I think everything is more expensive in Toronto
insane how much you pay for such a small system, we pay 49€ a month in Berlin/Germany, for a much bigger more expansive system. How much are single fares? They sound worth it atp
@@cooltwittertag it's because governments here are historically notorious for underfunding transit and spending tons of money on car-centric design, which is economically unsustainable.
@@cooltwittertag Yup, we all know that North American cities are undeniably car-centric, which affect funding, etc. Obviously, we can't compare to most European cities or East Asia's in terms of public transit metrics.
Montreal is more expensive for single fare, Toronto has more expensive passes...
Another subway lover! I don't live in a city with a subway system, my city only has a crappy bus system that shows up half an hour late. But I do love riding subways whenever I'm in big cities like Toronto.
I insist on taking the subway whenever I’m in a city that has one! They’re so cool :)
@@AchyuthaReddy the closest I've come to living in a city with a subway system is Ottawa with it's O train confederation line. But that was only for a short period in university before the pandemic hit.
I used to find any excuse to ride the O Train when I was in university.
I subways to also in toronto
I’m from MTL all I can say is Montreal subways is a Masterpiece
Other point on Montreal’s fares. 65 years and older can travel for free since July 2023
What i like the most about the Metro of Montreal is that you get direct access to the 2 main hospitals of Montreal. Station Vendome - The McGill University Hospital , and station Champ de Mars- The CHUM the Hospital of Universite de Montreal.
I was born in Montreal in a very nice place and moved 40 yrs ago to Eastern township and would'n go back.
As a former Toronto local, I have never experienced any safety issues whatsoever, even if I end up travelling during sports games or rush hour (the closest station to me is also all the way out in Vaughan)
Glad to hear that :)
you forgot about the extension of the blue line for montreal in your big projects part
True! That’s super exciting as well
Toronto has 3 subway lines under construction and 3 extensions too! This is gonnabe really transformative for Toronto as we're slowly turning into a transit city and finally getting platform screen doors starting with the Ontario line. Not to mention the GO train expansion/electrification and a waterfront LRT + eglinton east lrt in the works that need funding. Toronto's suburb, Mississauga is also building an LRT to another suburb, Brampton which is gonna be really cool to see. Ontarios improving slowly but surely.
The transit system is always a little bit different every time I come back to Toronto, so I'm really excited to ride it in a few years when the construction is further along!
@@AchyuthaReddy Hopefully I'll be able to check it out in a few years from now :)
Imagine how much different and better the TTC will be at the end of the decade
The driverless new set of trains to the Ontario Line look really asthetic too lol
Having lived in both cities here's my personal assessment:
- STM metro has way better coverage than TTC subway (granted Montreal is a smaller/moire compact city)
- TTC wins on accessibility, STM is improving but a large number of stations aren't fully accessible yet which is a huge factor if you need the mobility
- Montreal's fares are cheaper (even when accounting for the income differences in both cities) and they have better programs for the elderly/students to ride freely/cheaply
- I personally prefer TTC's cross-modal integration with subway stations because it doesn't require you to exit the "paid fare" zone to take a bus/streetcar and makes for easier wayfinding for routes you're less familiar with, whereas some metro stations you have to walk a block outside of the station to find the correct bus stop
Everything else you mostly covered already! Both are great systems and growing up in Montreal I obviously have bias but it's great either way to see progress in public transit infrastructure in Canada!
TTC has one fare for use on 5 other transit systems you did not mention that. Also the REM System in the metro it the same as the 2 LRT System that TTC is building in Toronto both runing east and west Anne being integrated with the TTC subway stations. The PATH system underground is the largest underground system in the world. I think should report to include these items.
Awesome video 🔥
Great video!
Montreal subway fares a lot cheaper than Toronto ...You compared only a single ticket but people living in the city buy monthly passes ....
Monthly pass for Montreal Metro is $97 . Adult and $ 58 . For students and free for seniors living on the island of Montreal .
Toronto monthly pass is $ 156 .00 adult ,$ 128 . 00 students $128 for seniors
The Montreal subway is more modern , high tech , doors light indicator , faster and 100 % underground and do not need air conditioning ( special air system ) so greener Than Toronto ..
Montreal subway is very well connected to busses like Toronto . I dont understand your comments about buses in Montreal....
As for safety , Montreal is way safer than Toronto .
The cost of a ticket change only if Travel outside the island ( South shore and North shore ) and the ticket is good for all mode of transports including theREM
All metro stations in Montreal was designed by a different architect .for each stations .
Thank You!
Should compare with Vancouver Skytrain too
Nicely made 👍👍👍
I haven't been to Montreal before; I should visit it someday.
me when i find another transit tuber to watch 😄😁🎉
This video got suggested to me not sure if your channel is new, but it's pretty much red meat for my viewing choices as someone who has lived in MTL and is avid transit user in toronto.
Fares: biggest issue I have with Opus is you don't have the 2 hour transfer issue. I accdidentally realized this once when i was doing a pub crawl in MTL.
Accessibility: My issue with MTL is the deep stations are actually a pain in the ass. We have the same issue at some of our stations. That being said, Lionel Groulx x-platform transfers are very nice. But the one at Jean-Talon is very bad.
Safety: Toronto is full of Karens who complain about safety and are scared to ride a train. It's more cultural. I ride TTC all the time and it's more that the homeless people make you feel uncomforable. I can't say I live in MTL or ride it all the time. Although, I gotta say Berri-UQAM was dodgy as fuck when I went ther.
Innovation: REM is such a win. Toronto's Yonge line ATC upgrade actually resulted in slower trains. We suck at life.
Yeah also NGL, you're definitely raising the relative cuteness level of the foamer youtuber community.....subscribed.
Toronto has a flat fare within the city (so does Montreal btw, a zone A ticket), but Toronto doesn't have a flat fare with neighbouring suburbs ,contrarily to Montreal. Montreal's zone-based fare system seems much simpler to me : with one zone D single ticket you can take a bus in Montreal to your nearest metro station, take the metro to the train station, take the train to St-Jérôme (45 km away) and then take the local St-Jérôme local bus.
This would be equivalent to using one single ticket to take the streetcar to a subway station, taking the subway to Union Station, catching a train to Barrie, and then taking a local bus. Hard to beat in terms of simplicity
In the end, the 'zones' in Montreal are not that confusing... because you will probably NOT leave Montreal in the first place. Chances that tourists go on the south or north shore is basically nil. So on that point, MTL is pretty much like TO 🙂
As someone who uses a cane, and has used both Montreal & Toronto transit, I’d say Toronto is more accessible. Mostly as there are elevators in a large amount of TTC stations, and if not, escalators, but I had trouble with the crazy amount of stairs in montreals stations
But other than that I’d prob favour the Metro
I'm so glad you commented, because I haven't heard much about peoples' experiences with accessibility on the transit systems... Thank you for sharing your perspective!
In terms of innovation you forgot to mention the Scarborough RT which is the worlds first fully automatic train and that Vancouver used as a base plate for their sky train.
the scarborough rt isn't in service anymore. I believe it's being replaced by the eglinton lrt
STM is NOT the System... It's he Societe de Transport de Montreal.
STM = Société de Transport de Montréal. Not Système.
As a Torontonian, Montreals system is better in my opinion. I love the rubber-tired trains, the stations are all interesting. Where Montreal falters is its connections. Montreal no longer has trams and their buses are less reliable than in Toronto, however, they now have the REM, and that is a game changer! I think even Vancouvers system is better than the Toronto Subway. The Vancouver SkyTrain is amazing!
Montreal’s first four metro lines do not only have no air conditioning but also no heating.
@@SigmaRho2922 The new Azure trains have air conditioning and run on the Orange and Green lines. The stations are also quite deep and get pretty warm. I’ve been to Montreal in both February and July, and they’re both fine.
@@DanTheCaptain Compared to the previous generations, the Azure train has a better ventilation system but no AC.
@@claudelemire2451 I mean I was there in July and found the temperature or rather the circulation of air quite refreshing. It’s like theirs a nice steady breeze of air inside the trains.
Torontonian here, MTL metro is beautiful and beats ttc just off of that fact alone
We need more Public Transportation and Train enthusiasts here... one of the metrics in which Canadian cities match up poorly against those of Europe and Asia is Public Transport and specifically Metro systems (or lack thereof).
Oh man you were pronouncing Toronto wrong! You don’t pronounce the T in Toronto!
Ahh I know, but I grew up as an immigrant and some habits are hard to shake
Just so you know you pronounced Toronto wrong. We say “Chrono, or Toronno”, we don’t say “Toron-TOE” 😂
Hot summer I believe rails do not give off a rubber smell while Montreal --does it still runs on rubber wheels?
Yes it does! Totally didn’t think of this point cause I filmed in the winter but thank you for mentioning it :)
There is no smell unless the train needs to break for an emergency. The temperature in the tunnels are stable. The rubber is graded for that temperature not like normal north American car tires.
They both suck compared to the Vancouver skytrain, tbh
Coming next? 👀
Montreal subway cars run on tires.
ace young lady
From NYC, we Love Montreal, always look for to going back. It's the most fun city in North America. Toronto is bigger and nice, but meh!
As a Torontonian, yeah the city is kind of provincial, but I find NYC way more fun than Mtl.
I'm originally from Montreal but live in toronto now :( Toronto is very much a city in decline - truly dysfunctional and really ugly...
@@Richard-nd8km Yeah its kinda fucked. And the newer architecture is bland. Toronto does have some nice architecture though.
@@Richard-nd8km Interesting perspective from a resident. I actually found Toronto very modern and it seemed like there was construction everywhere. I thought it was a little lacking in character, and not nearly as fun as Montreal. Montreal has the best looking people too. I wonder why that is.
@@markrichards6863 Montreal is definitely more fun. Reason being its more dense and also smaller in land size, so neighbourhoods are more happening because the walkable areas of Montreal are contained in only a few neighbourhoods like Downtown, Villeray, Cote des neige, Plateau, Rosemont, Outremont etc. and because the city is cheaper there is more disposable income to go out and enjoy yourself. Toronto is more of a financial and entertainment hub, whereas Montreal is an easygoing and more gritty city with artists moving there to take advantage of cheaper rents (although this is changing). Also a big outpost of Europeans (Belgium and France) moving there for better work prospects and lifestyle (which explains the fashion scene and imo good looks). Toronto’s culture is more work hard-play hard, and Montreal is more festival and arts-oriented and more blue-collar.
Hot summer I believe rails do not give off a rubber smell while Montreal --does it still runs on rubber wheels?
Do Vancover and Montreal next. Also, awesome video!! I subscribed!!
Thank you! And I’ll definitely try the next time I’m in Vancouver
Sorry, Vancity. You're far behind.. just teasing, but not really
I lived in Toronto for 8 year, 2001-2008 and then montreal, 2008-2024.
Toronto is a good ubway but if you don't live close to it, good luck.
Both are good subways. I am a train enthusiast too.
I like the train-like features of the TTC but I also love the bumpy ride for Montreal.
I am jut going to correct you on one point: everywhere in Montreal is same price, it only varies if you go in outside of montreal because of subway does extend to the suburbs.
I also want to correct you again: ingle fares: toronto win?
Except nobody uses single fares and that's not what should be considered.
People who use collective transportation ue it monthly and monthly, Toronto is 156$ while Montreal is 94$
Cost is thus 100% to Montreal. Also, as explained above, it's still easier to use subway here because the price variation you spoke of also applies to toronto going into the suburbs.
As for handicapped availability?
Toronto. 100%.
Montreal only has 7 station with elevators. the rest have stairs which wheelchairs cannot use.
this is rapidly changing but not before 2027, where all our station will have an elevator.
Also montreal has a bigger density, obviously. we're a small island while toronto is a sprawling mess.
this is why our subway cover more vastness and not jut a straight line and a U.
We have the same legal system, so both places consider the same stuff to be a crime.
There's lots of reasons why montreal is a safer city than toronto but a lot of it is political so i'll skip that.
We are also creating new line! connecting blue, to green, to orange, going diagonal so truly you can go anywhere in the city, FAST.
We also have newer cars than Toronto, through the AZUR train which is cutting edge. In 1990.
So our car are newer, but whenever toronto upgrade theirs, it will undoubtedly be better.
One thing I like about toronto i the A/C.
I think this is why you pay almost 60$ more per month though and in a bus, it does make the driver sick with constant cold/hot air coming at them so we went for a more union pro-worker stance but damn it's hot in the summer.
Technically, and this is true, Toronto have the larger underground city because it was jealous of montreal but it's colder here and it wa built overtime whereas toronto wanted a underground city and thus, built one. It didn't come alive, or still doesn't come alive, as much as ours but with that being said, we have the largest used underground city in the world.
Make sense, too.
I think you should come back, and check it again.
because there's no way that a subway that only goes eat-west and then north-south in a very close U isn't going to cover vastnes the way our metro map looks. you can go ANYWHERE in montreal using the subway.
this is not even remotely true for Toronto.
As a train enthusiast to another, come! (change your mind)(because it should be 4-1!)
nice video. subbed.
This is so not true. You can’t go anywhere in Montreal using the subway. In Toronto we dont have as much coverage as its more spread out but we are building 3 new lines and we also have a much larger commuter rail network that is expanding and electrifying. We also have streetcars/trams so I think Toronto’s transit network is much better.
You dont need AC in the Montreal subway since 100 % underground and excellent ventiltion plus Montreal is the world #1 most sustainable city ... Vancouver is 4 th but Toronto is the most polluted , non sustainable and 3 rd worst world city for traffic and C02 see Tom TOm traffic index 2013 .. Vancouver ranked 32 nd and Montreal 103 for worst traffic im the world
@@ghostassoc you can go anywhere on the island. except eat end and north eat end. which i why our newest line will open there and it's still connected through rem. and buses.
treetcars are totally inneficient UNLESS they have their own designated lane like spadina or st-clair. this i actually peer reviewed opinion based upon studies of streetcars.
What you don't understand i montreal is tiny. Greater Montreal Area i big and not all that accesible by subway even though you can go to the biggest two suburb which are out of the island through subway,
Something toronto doesn't allow.
Another giant thing i we are a nordic country, with a winter and a bunch of toronto stations are actually... outdoor?
this i a no go to encourage ridership.
After going from Mtl to Paris, Mtl has a lot to learn. I think trams are a great way of plugging holes in transport, but projects like the REM really are driving the public transport in Paris. The RER in Paris is so great. Imagine going from Granby to Gare centrale in 45 minutes and stopping at Marieville, Chambly, St-Hubert, Longueuil and a lot of cities in between. And all of that with a simple ticket or a monthly pass. Or imagine going from Repentigny to Berri-Uquam in 20 minutes, with a train that passes every 5 minutes all day long. What Montreal needs is better transport from the suburbs to the center. Imagine going from Blainville to Longueuil in less than an hour. It's truly amazing to have trains like the RER. So practical. And I hope the REM becomes a success story, because that is the future of transports (or the present in Paris).
Montteal subway is a masterpiece , fast , high tech , clean , modern , excellent ventilation and no need for AC since 100 % underground .... Montreal is world #1 most sustainable city and only green energy ....
No ac in a metro or train you are crazy
@@ibrahimabah3693 it’s true, the Montreal Metro has no A/C system, it’s just ventilation. It works much better than you think!
I am an ex-Montrealer who has lived in Toronto for the past 30 years and, as a regular commuter, although both systems are good, I much prefer Toronto overall.
this is actually just propaganda
I think Montreal’s metro is great except the opus system. Need a better payment system. Using out phone or credit cards.
This is an excellent analysis! You now have a new subscriber. :)
Thank you! Appreciate it :)
I agree with you on the winner. Montreals STM metro rocks
Been riding the ttc for many decades, since i was 7-8 years old and we t through the P.A.T.H. many times. And the firdt time in MTL seeing the trains and underground system, overall felt so much better than Toronto's thats for sure.
stm = Société de transport de Montréal, not System. just sayin' :)
Whoops, my bad 😅
Cool! Loved the video :) For me, a very important aspect that you didn't mention is the average speed. Both are very large cities and getting from point to point quickly is key. My feeling is in Montreal you can travel further in the same time than in Toronto. Plus the REM which will be transformational. Coverage by the metro (in %) is also probably higher in Montreal. Architecturally, the Montreal metro beats the Toronto subway by a country mile too. Plus, Toronto seems to be building trams where they should be building subways (Eglington Crosstown...). For me, there is no doubt, Montreal is better.
Totally didn't consider this, but a great point!
Yeah, I have had little experience with Montreal but the last time I used their metro, I was thoroughly impressed. I had to catch a bus back to Toronto, and I was absolutely sure I was going to miss the bus but the train absolutely ripped through the stops, and I actually got to the bus a few minutes early. No way that would have happened in Toronto.
Montreal is extending it's subway on the blue line 5 stations and the rem when complete will have 27 stations with direct service to the airport for the flat fare everywhere else in the city no surcharge should all be done by 2029
Hello fellow train nerd! Great video! I loved Montreals metro when I visited there, I hope I get to check out Torontos at some point soon. I think it’s worth mentioning that a monthly pass in Montreal can be cheaper if you’re only getting a zone a pass, so i think cost just depends on how you’re using it.
Hello! That's true... I don't regularly commute so that definitely slipped my mind and I'll consider it more next time
Great video, you explained it very well. I live in Toronto (hence my channel name) and I love both systems! They’re clean and efficient at times, maybe Toronto can be better in reliability and most definitely safety. The STM stations are very beautiful too, it’s like you’re in a museum as you’re going about your day on the metro. TTC has nice stations too but really not as nice as STM, however ours can be a lot more maintained daily. Our subway trains are also more spacious than on the STM, but even their trains are actually nicer than ours. TTC is way more accessible friendly than STM; we’ll have elevators/accessibility features in all stations in the next two years. STM is way behind in that as I think between 7-10 stations have them. TTC is also about to begin service on two light rail lines end of this year, with more projects to come with building new lines/extending existing lines and expanding existing stations. The Ontario line will also be very similar, like extremley similar to the REM. I was last in Montreal on July 26-29, 2023 and will be back when the western leg of the REM opens end of this year.
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Great video, could you maybe do a comparison between Montreal and Vancouver? Would like to see your input on that.
Vancouver is definitely on my list!
I think you missed allot of things about MTL subway system sorry :) and the RESO MTL undergrounds is Not only a little bigger than TO but the Largest in the World
Montreal has a better public transit network. The stations have been in place in most cases for more than 40 years. The residents around those stations have adapted to having a metro stop. The issue with expanding the metro is cost. The new stations that are planned are in neighbourhoods that the city established long ago for more densification. The blue line is currently underused but with the expansion this will likely change over the next 20 years.
Returning to the issue of costs it is difficult to get the communities off of the island to contribute more to subsidize public transit. So there is this strange mix in the area of REM and regional busses. That will take a long time to change.
Hm I think in an ideal world cities would be able to plan transit ahead of time or build neighbourhoods around transit, but trains can take a long time to build. I know a lot of cities test out proposed lines with bus service first to see if there’s enough demand to offset the cost of construction. Regardless, being able to market the REM and other new train lines is just as big of a task as building them, especially in the suburbs where reliance on cars is so ingrained
Parts of the Toronto subway are above ground, so during heavy snowstorms trains can grind to a halt. I may be wrong but I think all of Montreal's metro is underground.
True! Most of the REM is going to be above ground though
Good video. I live around Edmonton and our transit is being built out like crazy but it isn't very good, is super sketchy, and most of it runs at grade which is super annoying. This is a great video about these transit systems. The Ontario line will be cool, but I still think the skytrain in Vancouver is the best transit in Canada.
the skytrain? with the homeless people living at the stations and the zoned fare structure? Are you high?? 😂😂
I also have tons of experience with Edmonton transit, and I totally want to make a video on it... Have you ridden on the Valley Line yet?
I agree Montreal STM is the winner!!!!!!!🎉😊
One glance at each map tells you everything
Nice video thanks. One clarification though. REM is not the longest driverless metro in the world, at 67 km. Vancouver's Skytrain has currently 79.6 km of track, and is adding another 5.7 currently. I know these things change constantly, but does anyone know if Vancouver has the longest driverless metro, or is it somewhere else?
5.7 km for the Broadway extension of the Millennium Line that will be finished in 2026 and then another 16 km extension of the Expo Line from Surrey to Langley finishing sometime near the end of this decade.
According to the internet, the title currently goes to Dubai Metro. Parts of Dubai were modelled after Vancouver, only bigger. So naturally the metro is too (for now at least).
Montreal STM is way way better not even a debate cleaner accessible cheaper safer I have seen some weird things in Toronto metro now i moved to London Ontario still miss Montreal beautiful city
How’s the transit in London?
Welcome to the transit nerd side of TH-cam! Please don't be overwhelmed, haha. I have yet to experience transit in Montreal, but Toronto's pretty high up there when it comes to North American transit. The Presto card has made it so much easier to travel between agencies.
I'm still partial to my home of Calgary though. We're finally back to pre-pandemic levels of service and ridership and hopefully growth and increases in frequency! Council recently added something like $4m of funding perpetually starting in the 2024 budget cycle, specifically for high capacity transit routes, so we'll see if it shows up in the March transit service schedule!
Visiting Calgary I find it still extremely dissapointing in terms of transit coverage. The green line will be great when its done but the city is too spread out and low density.
@@torink8229 my experience hasn’t been that bad. There aren’t that many cultural icons inaccessible to transit in Calgary…please don’t say Seniore’s pizza. 🤣
I’ve gone many trips from the edge of the city to the other edge of the city in about an hour and a half. People are praising Phoenix for their LRT extension, but the line doesn’t even touch the edges of the urban area, and it still takes 1h50 to traverse the single line.
@@AustinSersen Well i’m glad your experience has been positive. I have no way to get from Riverbend to Cougar ridge unless I want to take a billion busses.
Definitely a little overwhelmed haha, but I've been watching transit videos for a while, so it's really cool to find other people that are interested in it too. I've only been on Calgary transit once, but I definitely want to come back and take a longer ride :)
In almost 2 decades, I've ridden both cities many times! I do enjoy riding STM Metro with thanks to the nicest car design that works well with the french culture and the colour!
Toronto is a tough place, theirs is more like a normal city but they are more focused with their frequent service!
I do enjoy listening riding the stop announcement in Montréal more than Toronto!
The STM door chime is also such a classic!
@@AchyuthaReddy they added it as of several years ago! It had none in the past, so who knows when the doors do close before it goes into your face!
Yes, the chime is based from MR-73 Jemont motor acceleration!
I love this !!!! A fellow Canadian Toronto transit enthusiast! I have a ticktok too , Canadian rail fan
That's so exciting!
Montreal has beautiful stations.
Montreal by far.
I use the TTC almost daily, and I think I have to admit the Montreal system may be a lil better.
Haha the TTC is still pretty great… I’ve commuted daily on much worse
I want to understand why on earth does Montreal have two metros (STM and REM)
The STM runs the Montreal metro, which is all underground and primarily serves downtown and the denser parts of Montreal. CDPQ (a province owned corporation) runs the REM, which is mostly above ground and serves the outer parts of the city that are less dense. I can’t tell you why two different corporations run the two different systems, but the systems themselves are different because the type of service they provide is different
i think this video just attracted a bunch of transit nerds to ur channel lmao. Idk if ur specifically a transit youtuber or it’s just for fun but you’ll definitely have an audience if u decide to go that route. Just remember me when you’re famous‼️🫶
haha i appreciate that! This has definitely encouraged me to make more transit videos
While I appreciate the effort here, Toronto has a greater population but not a higher population density. Also, while Montreal has an almost equivalent ridership to Toronto (until fairly recently actually higher), per capita Toronto is much less. Lastly, you can get to more points via Montreal metro than Toronto because Toronto has long straightish lines. Hope this video gets revisited.
Montreal is the best city in Canada for absolutely EVERYTHING ..... just ask a Montrealer.
Great video. I think frequency and daily length of service should have been a factor, though.
Great video! I appreciate your efforts to provide this content 👏Keep going 👍
You're the best :)
TTC is also expanding a bunch of stations including the Yonge Dundas one which is one of the most used stations in NA, they are putting plataform screen doors, widening the plataforms and modernizing everything, inlucluding a new set of driverless trains in the Ontario Line which If I'm not mistaken will pass through the Yonge Dundas station
This is all super exciting!
Disclaimer, I live in Montréal. The Metro is one of the most comfortable transit systems to ride. The rubber wheels really help. I've ridden the NYC, DC, and Toronto systems, too. DC's system was one of the first to allow you to "buy" a fare card and reload it, too. Very cool. I think I kept mine from over 30 years ago. That was how cool it was to me at the time. NYC transit, I just had my head on a swivel, naturally. Again, it is a similar time frame. The TTC was a very enjoyable experience. I totally loved the loop at the bottom of the line. So cool. The screeching wheels going around that corner... visceral! Now, if only Montréal would bring back streetcars... Awesome! BTW, I loved the video!
Thank you! I've been on the NYC subway, but never on DC... Would love to travel to more big cities in the US and ride their transit
TO's subway isn't bad , just as convenient and quick , maybe not as comfortable as Montreal's , definitely not as affordable. Like everything about TO, they replicate NYC. Montreal is unique has its own character and vibe on each station more enjoyable ride. Give it up to Montreal clear winner
true answer lies right between the two... Ottawa.
Ottawa transit review might be in the works 👀
Montreal is the clear winner. The lines are better laid out, whereas in Toronto there are subway deserts. Also, the stations in Montreal are more attractive and aesthetically pleasing. Toronto’s stations are boring and plain. Check out the Outremont station in Montreal. Montreal’s system is older - and dates back to the ‘60s so it has a cool retro vibe. Plus Montreal is just cooler than Toronto. Montreal is also a safer city I think. This said, I enjoy the city of Toronto more.
My all time favourite subway is that of Paris. It literally takes you everywhere and the stations are amazing.
TTC is older
@@iknowthetruthcommonsense3643 you’re correct. My mistake
It would be a dream to take the metro in Paris!
I'm not convinced Montreal's is better lol. I haven't used Montreal's metro though. Toronto has the Eglinton cross town which is the biggest expansion in decades and the finch line coming this year and then there is the ontario line. Also the up express is basically connected to two subway lines. There is also streetcars, some are dedicated, some not. Having said that just judging by the videos I would say the Montreal metro is nicer looking and and more pleasant experience. It's a shame that Toronto does not have more extensive coverage like cities in europe and east asia, this is due to political gridlock, but at least in recent times we are headed in the right direction.
The enthusiasm you exude is infectious! You have a bright future ahead of you in the area of metro transit planning and implementation if you so choose! Best of luck in all your endeavors! New Sub......
Thank you! The enthusiasm in the comments section is definitely infectious too
Its obviously Montreal, there is no question here.
Violence has skyrocketed on the TTC due to the explosion of homeless and mentally individuals.
She forgot to mention the massive LRT lines she to open within to next year or so: The Eglinton Crosstown and the Finch West LRT.
Need to organize the transit with other municipalities. Eglinton Subway should run all the way to Square One Mississauga, Mississauga/Brampton LRT should have been a subway. Complete wasted opportunity.
We have the same criminal code. Assault is in criminal code which is under federal jurisdiction. 😉😉😉
Montreal actually has five lines. You didn't count the REM! I think Montreal actually takes the point for "vastness".
Montreal is better.
The municipal lollygaggers in 416 have wrecked transit and by extension the city.
when i went to the montreal metro,those trains are kinda loud and it was really clean inside the train
I haven't taken the subway in Toronto but based on what I've seen on video it's similar to the MBTA Red, Orange snd Blue Lines in Boston before the MBTA went to the dogs. I have gone on the Montreal Métro though and found it to be far superior to the MBTA. So I suppose Montreal's is better than Toronto's.
Just from the thumbnail, toronto looks so much owrse. Why didn't you use a TR instead?
Toronto is on the North-Western Shore of Lake Ontario while Montréal is on the Island of Montréal in the middle of the St-Lawrence River aka Fleuve St-Laurent and River of Canada. Toronto is bigger ! both in population and size.
Toronto is the Capital of the Province of Ontario and the biggest City in Ontario while Montréal is not the Capital of the Province of Québec . The honor goes to Québec City.
However Montréal is the biggest city (métropole) in the Province of Québec . Also Montréal Suburbs (i.e. Laval and Longueuil) are less populated than Toronto Suburbs (Missisauga, Brampton)+ and others Exurbs like Oakville and Hamilton.
P.S. A metropole is a city over 1 Millions Habitants.
A city with a population over 10 millions habitants is called a megalopole.
Torontos subway trains are ugly. Shoe box design.
Montreal has 4 lines Toronto has 3.....so for "vastness" Toronto gets the point...... ... ...
Montreal metro does not have air conditioning installed on their subway cars. So, on a very hot, humid day, if you're going to work or school using the metro...
True! I know the TTC has had problems with AC on their older trains, but it’s better than in Montreal where none of subway cars have AC. Definitely sucks as the summers get hotter
The subway systems in most Asian cities are better than both Montreal and Toronto
Montreal's stations are museums
Toronto's are just stops along the way.
Running on tires makes Montréal's Métro quieter and gives it better acceleration, breaking and hill climbing habilities. Most stations are higher than the tunnels leading to them, so the arriving train climbs a hill and the departing train uses gravity to accelerate. That saves energy.
I love trains and refuse to see anything running on tires as trains, but as a train enthusiast living in Montreal and working (remotely) in Toronto, I find the Toronto Subway painfully slow in comparison, even though I actually work on expanding it…
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Montreal metro is high tech , modern , faster , 100 % underground (greener, does not need AC ) and always had acces to internet in all the stations and subways . Toronto got wifi at the end of 2023 . The Toronto subway is also vey noisy and slow compared to Montreal ... Montreal subway stations are a masterpiece designed , each station was designed by a different architect . For busses , all subway stations are connected to a very efficient bus Network soon 100 % electric . For 2023, Montreal is # 1 world most sustainable city and VAncouver is rhe 4 th . As for design , Montreal is a UNESCO city of design ( 40 cities in the world . Montreal is also the 3 rd largest aerspace center in the world ( after Toulouse and Seattle ) and transport engineeringand Ai world leader .
Uh, having used the system during the sweaty armpit months of summer? AC would be nice!
Its Jean Bolduc!! Ofc he has to comment again.
@@torink8229Annoying snob he is with his misinformation
Montreal's underground city is vastly smaller than toronto's
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The TTC is a lot cleaner than the MTA!!! Better trains, too.