Another possibility: All the lego rates were equalized (I see alot of boreas/hatssut lately) and if the pool is all even, the 15x has a harder time competing with the pool than before and would make sense to why Wukong seems rarer than before Would also make the epics seeming more even make more sense and why there's more lords being pulled from normal pulls and why I'm seeing more ancient exclusive lords from ancients (used to be rarer than normal lords) It's not a guarentee but it's the most likely possibility I have seen so far.
400 Ancients, just 2 Lords, no Ingrid, just 2 trash lords, and only 1 other trash non-lord lego, Claw. Have him at A3, while no Constance, Sargak, Carnelian, or any other good ancient. This is BS. My lords on Ancients are ONLY at pity
My first 6 lords, I was the same way, all full pity, then I got super lucky on the last pope banner to get 4 lords in ~300. In other words, it will equal out over time, just be patient
It's not rigged in the sense that they changed drop rates, it's rigged in the sense that some accounts still have better luck than others. I have always had to get to pity, and I was happy when they said they fixed it, but that wasn't the case, I still have to get to pity every single time, and in this event I've only gotten trash, so it feels like all that effort in saving and collecting resources was wasted, which is to say that actually playing this will be a waste of time
Hello. I wrote to support today. There are three accounts on my guild that they pull every ancient weekend at least one legendary, as minimum. But usually they also get legendary lord outside of pity system. And they are f2p, they don´t open 200 ancients per weekend. They just open 30-40. Since september that i dont get a legendary from ancients and for lords I always have gone to pity. I asked support if my account was rigged or bugged and they told it wasn't that i should be patient and better luck
Two guildmates...one got Ingrid and Ardea in less than 23 summons (away from pitty) and the other one got Praetus 2 times in 15 summons. I m raging being 150 in pitty and only got Ardea and nothing else...
I pulled 20 ancients today and in my 2nd ten pull I received two ingrids. I don't think anything is rigged. It's just math and some of us are getting unlucky with the math.
You made a great point that the pool has widened. Bluntguts also made a good point that since limited heroes are never in the normal pool, there is literally only ONE rate, so calling it 15x is essentially a lie.
Bluntguts is just salty because he was unlucky wit Wukong. They can put any rate they want for him and then make it 15x. There is no lie. He was more than willing to call everything rigged because he was unlucky with Wukong but conveniently ignored the fact that he had almost double drop rate of leggos.
Finally someone told it loudly. In ancient summons some players get 11 legendary heroes in 300 pulls when other guys keep getting lords in pity and 1 leggo on this same time. Of course devs can say this is random, but after all bugs (which was detected by players) I'm not sure.
Hey so I did over 1K summons for wukong and only got 1 copy on him. I did like 500-600 summons for ingrid only got 1 copy. The rate have def changed. I complained to the GM and they are lying saying the rates are same. I really want to call a lawyer and go after them for false advertisement. If you think we stand a chance I think we can get a group of people that struggled w this as well I think we would have a solid case.
Also, to add I had the same issue with Lord pheines, Xena, and Lyra. I feel like for the people who are spending money are being targeting and they are lowering their rates? Because I have noticed other whales as well that have said they are not getting any copies either
@@arslaankrishi9872 I strongly doubt you have a case I’m sure it is still a 15x whether you think so or not I’m confused about the base rates not the 15x
@@Destined_WoR yeah but for 1000x summons w a 15% rate? Also, this has happened to other whales as well in multiple banners. I know someone is also seeing them w a civial law suit for similar reasons
This games summons have been horrible sense i started spending on the game. Tricked me into spending few hundred for a banner and then still could not get the banner hero. What was worse is before when i first started playing all the CC would rave about how good the rates were and it felt like i was being manipulated into spending. Fast forward to after there fix, now it feels even worse ans CC are also showing horrible rates now.
I noticed the rates have been worse ever since fastidious pointed out the rates they have been messed up. We were getting better pulls when they were scripted back then and thats the truth haha
I literally said this with my group of friends. Wukong is their pride & joy and this sounds like a perfect opportunity to suck everyone dry as they make a PVE god hero and proceed to make his rate low because everyone was thinking they wouldn't do this on such an important day of the year for china. IT'S A GACHA GAME GUYS THEY LITERALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. why anyone thinks things will be different is astounding
Yeah....had to hit pity for Lyra and got setram in divine again. 40 ancients and 200 blued between ares and monkey. Nada. I mean, I don't care. But, really? Ares would have at least helped where I'm stuck on trials. Bleh. I've gotten two twins and king p in 300 days
Boost my arse. Over 200 ancients and got 3 legos, non of the banner one... Something smells very fishy with those rates. Over 600 blue summons and 1 wu kong. Others gets 3 Ingrids in one 10 spin and 2 wukongs in 10 blue spin .. i get total poopoo...
There are a bunch of things going on: the 1st is that having the rates for different champions in the same rarity category be different is strange, bordering on the deceptive. When one opens the explanatory tab and sees the rates (Legendary Lords X, Legendary Y, Epic Lords Z, so on), those should be the rates for all the characters listed. The idea that there is a hidden rarity level, where (for example) Hatsut is like 1/3 the rate of Apsan (dunno if that's the actual rates), and there is nothing inside the game that gives any indication of that? Very disturbing, and, as I said, borders the issue of a deceptive practice, and this is not just a game, but a system where money can be exchanged. At the same time, these things are so hard to actually observe, because they are inherently rare events. For example, hoping against hope I pulled 20 red crystals this morning: I pulled 2 Legendary Lords, Ingrid and Ghan. Even with being at pity for the first lord (Ingrid), it's crazy lucky to pull another Lord within 15. The upshot of both of those highlights the reality that Moonton really needs to be transparent: this is essentially a casino game of sorts, and you can't have a casino where the players don't know if the house is changing the rates without telling the players. Heck, Destined mentioned the idea that the rates were changed to make people satisfied: without transparency, perhaps the rates were changed for the Holiday season to motivate people to spend on more summons? Who knows? In any case, thanks for looking out for the community, and have a Happy New Year Destined!
Ancients have been way worse for me. I pulled 220 summons with only a guaranteed Torodor from pity. Saved up for 6 months and got no Ardea or Ingrid. How do some accounts have such insane luck meanwhile other accounts are never hitting legendaries besides pity??? Game is super rigged and idk if I'll stay for much longer
Same here 225 pulls for venoma (I have cyrus) and alistar. When I see on yt 3 leggos on 30 pulls I feel pain because of this injustice? I don't know how to call it.
I guess I'm in the percentage of unlucky accounts. Ancient summons on my account have been awful on any banner I pull on, and I have had my account for a year. Some in my clan have 1 or 2 sets of 10 pulls and get back-to-back legendary lords, and I'm like FML, I can't get even one. The Ancients I do have are trash and I'm so effing tired of seeing Niro and Narvi it's not funny. I'm on the verge of quitting the game.
keep in mind that there is 18 legendary lords in the pool so if rates are equal you have 15/32 chance to get ingrid on her 15x banner (46,8%) there is 57 legendary heroes in the normal banner pool so if rates are equal you have 15/71 chance to get wukong on his 15x (21,1%) ofc it's easier to target the hero you want on an anciant banner but yes they should share the real rates i 100% agree with that
My Ancient summons on the past 2 banners (Prateus and now Ingrid) have been a roller-coaster ride, rates for me were complete 180's of each other. Praetus banner: 380+ summons yielded only Uredin (x2), Ingrid (x2, both on pity, she was new to my account), and no Praetus. On today's Ingrid banner: 83 summons yielded Uredin (x2, now he's A5), Laya (new), Valderon (now, A2), and Ingrid (now, A2). I suppose I just had dumb luck 2 weeks ago (others were pulling Prateus left-and-right) and now super lucky on the Ingrid banner. Also, on the WuKong banner I pulled Laurel for the first time ever. I started playing the game July 2024 and have done over 10,000 summons with no Laurel. I think you are spot-on target with the Epic rates changing, I managed to pull Laurel twice this weekend.
They normalized the rates as they have posted in game. Its no longer in hidden bucks. So a 15x on the normal banner does nothing with how many heroes are there. 15x in ancients is a much smaller pool so you actually see the benefit
@@Destined_WoR 19 ancient nornal leggos vs 57 in the normal pool. With the "rare bucket" heroes the 15x multiplier would boost them more than a normal hero. Now it's all the same and with a bigger pool of heroes you're only seeing a ~7% chance of them being pulled on rate up
Without a doubt, Epix had something going on either. They flipped the rates amongst them or we just so happened to fall into an amazing summoning pool. I myself believe there are multiple pools either generated or that are just switched out over time. I can’t speak on legos
Can confirm the rates are definitely off - got 4 Legos within the 30 ancient pulls, while with blues I am now on a 7 streak of not getting any rate-up characters ever since the Arrogance/Talula banner. As for epics I got 3 rare bucket ones within the same 10-pull. The fact that so many players have similar experience recently is way too unlikely to be a coincidence
@@dutchbozo Yeah I am usually very sceptical about lucky/unlucky account theories due to all the gambler fallacies, but this game is an exception, the scripted luck that fasti proved about a month ago is prob just a tip of the iceberg
Id say in october and november I was pretty lucky, but for all the december banners I'm having worse luck than I've ever had before in this game, doesn't matter whether blues,divines or ancients. Dunno whats with the switch up since everyone around me seems to have unreal luck?
@@bruhhh9417 We don't know how the summoning code works exactly but it may depend on a combination of factors such as your account number, hidden pity timers, summoning time, your other in-game activity etc.
Yep. I can feel it. I did 230 ancients and quite literally only hit Pity, which was not even Ingrid. It was Laya. I also did around 11-1200 summons regular and got(luckily) an extra copy of Wukong. Rates haven't felt this bad in a while for me. Not sure what happened.
Pulled almost 800 on the wukong banner. Found one extra copy. I guess I'm one of the unlucky ones. 310 Ancients. No Ingrid or Ardea. #1 and #3 on my wishlist. Bad luck seems to follow me on ancients. I started summoning with a 250 pull since last non-lord. And it took almost 250 more to find a non-lord. The first non-lord since probably 8 or 9 months: Durza. Lords that appeared: Harz, Ghan. You know why you hoard those crystals! In the last 40 pulls I got a bit more quantity. But nothing I was looking for: Gisele, Garzak, Valeriya. To sum it up: Disappointment. Been saving since the first Ingrid banner (where I failed to pull her). I recommend Moonton to quickly release Beelzebub and the new NM lord. to put some extra salt on my wounds. I'm tapped out.
I recorded my whole summon session because it was the most I've ever pulled, and I also wanted to have something to look back on for the rates to see if it really is messed up. I know for sure the Ancients banner is messed up.
As a mostly free to play, i realized that epic after so long I dont need anymore. They can't be sold for diamonds to summon more. I just get the purple coins that suck.
For me the epic drop rates were worse than before Wukong - I went 180 pulls, switched to Aeris Setram banner to proc pity - got Trusk, returned for guaranty and seeing complaints about abysmal rates I stopped. I only ever got two legendaries before pity so nothing strange there, but only 10 epics in 200 pulls and what was strange was very few blues. No Eona or Laurel but I did get 2 Eonas from going full pity twice on Lyra banner - never dropped one before. Ingrid - Pity Laya after 187 crystals, 21 epics - 10 lords, no other legendary, now I did get lucky with my pity last time to get Praetus, but again got no other legendaries and just to clarify I pulled all of my Ancients after the supposed fix... No Laurel obviously after only 3000 blues, also no Isolde but like 10 Wraths for some reason... I am starting to believe that there are still unlucky accounts and I am starting to see it even on gear, almost no ancients, recomended gear (prime and 2 secondary out of AB, AS, CC, CD) is mostly asclepius and Soulbound almost never drops :D
231 Ancients and not a single normal Legendary, got two normal Lords not Ancient exclusive. This is the second time this happens to me, first time I used around 170 or so and same thing happened, not a single Legendary character either.
I definitely agree Destined. I mean, a year ago when I started back in December of 2023 this game has grown exponentially. But not just with its content, but its roster pool as well. And I have a feeling that with the ancient crystals, there is a considerable rate that is separated from the regular pool or maybe I'm just wrong? Not saying that you can't pull regular summon legendaries from the red crystals, but considering that how these boosted summons work it would seem somewhat the case. I mean, my personal take on it is that we had a double guarantee feature with the banners. A guaranteed Wukong & a guaranteed Ingrid. Even I pulled her, not that I'm complaining of course. But it's just very confusing because I remember the Praetus/ Ingrid banner And she was impossible for me to pull.
This makes sense. I haven't pulled any single Laurel for my whole playthrough here in WoR and now I got one. Also, I got 2 Ardea's and 1 Ingrid in my 100 AS. Spent 500 rares in Wukong banner and not a single copy of Wukong except the guaranteed one.
1600 for kirigi a1 need pity for every legendary ...wukong 600 for 1 wu and again need pity for every legendary ......only 600 cuz now i am f2p since summon fiasco same with my divines can you imagine 34 divine for 2 off banner legendary
The fix is simple....reverse how they did Lyra banner. Instead of picking a hero to add to the banner they allow us to select 15 Legendary heros that cannot be pulled. Then go forward add 1 more to remove for every 5 new heros they add.
the worst part is why would they have common and rare bucket hero in a supposed to be same rate hero and they clearly show the rate but in the background they have different rate
Over the last 4 banners on blue summons ive pulled 3-4 leggos on each banner so about 16 leggos, Ive only hit the 15x leggo one time. I definitely think the size of the pool is the major contributing factor. Yes some people will get lucky and pull more banner leggos but on the whole the more they add the less likely we are going to be to hit the 15x It would be nice to see the rate go to 20x or as you say a scaling rate.
i got fucked on the ancient summons hard and on WK 130 (160 into pity, so i didnt even get chance to pity swap) so i'm ready to throw hands. im hearing people getting 4 ingrids in 200 summons meanwhile I've saved all my ancients except 25 since i started 145 days ago, and all i got was sargak and hit Demi for my Lord Pity. Moonton might think it'll make me spend but i'll just fuckin quit if this keeps up. I understand there is a variance but the variance is so wild and game changing, Im getting close to end game with only the last few floors of gear dungeon and semrah to clear, and at this point its a 80% hero check which i'm not getting
It's probably because I didn't go for any awakenings, but I've felt very lucky this Holiday season. Pity pulled Silas from the choose your own Lego + Lyra banner. (Pulled Valkyra the week prior too) Pulled Wukong in 50 summons. Pulled Ardea in my first 10 ancients. Made a bigger upgrade to my account in this week alone than I have in multiple months prior.
Ingrid banner I pulled a Venoma and then Iovar. I fully believe that regular leggo lords and ajax should not exist in the ancient summoning pool. The amount of disappointment is enough to make someone rage.
I got stupid lucky with Ancients. But a suggestion maybe something like a faction banner? Where it's only heros from a specific faction. Or a class banner something like that where the Lego pool is smaller?
My ancient pulls have been insane. I pulled the following champs with 180 ancients: 1x Demi, 1x Pelagios, 1x Cyrus, 1x Cerberus, 1x Ingrid and 4x Ardea. My blue summons have been terrible with 1 wukong and 4 whatever champs in about 700 pulls
I totally agree. Epics are buffed, I got 2 eonas this weekend. More than in 10months! This ancient banner this weekend has been INSAAAANE. 160 ancients: Jeera, Ingrid(new!), Dassomi(new!), Valderon(new!), valeriya 🤩😱🙌 So yes, there's something "wrong", well different here
200 pull ancient and no single Ardea and Ingrid appear...just off rate venoma and demi. 450 pull CS just got 1 Wukong from Fixed 200 pull Wukong. These rate are scam...montoon scam.
I think the reason they are equalising the rates now, is because they ARE planning on showing us the rates. But not what the rates WAS, but what the rates are now. This is to stop us getting outraged when we find out Eona was 0.0001% when they do release the rates
I pulled 145 ancients, got a1 Ardea after only 20, then hit pity with a0 Laya, then nothing. Hopnestly I had seen what people ppulled recently and I was expecting something similar, but I got fucking shafted.
I saved for two months. 77 Ancients, 102 Blue Crystals, 20k diamonds. I got the all, almost. I didn't get Aeris. But, Setram, Wukong, Ingrid, Ardea, plus Solcadens, Krodor A1... All yesterday! Luckiest pulls ever. But no Laurel. Shes the ONLY epic I'm missing. And that magic Brienne. Don't know if anyone has her.
im finishing s6 with my guild them im quitting.. i got twinfiend on pope and ingrid banner then Gisele on ingrid banner too make things worse. Fvck This Game
The rates is how they control the game. It's not gonna happen. And Wukong was rigged. The same hero pool for Wukong is the hero pool for the other legos and multiple people were pulling the same non boosted lego multiple times like 3x Magda. If Wukong is 15x boost how is Magda and others coming out 3x in the same session instead of him? This is the longest limited banner. They have to make people chase Wukong. The only way to do that is via the ratings. That's why they don't wanna show it.
It feels like they put out all these cool banners back to back so we would use up our resources and have to buy more to keep trying. Between the last 3 banners I got pity twice and they were both rubbish not even in the "boosted" chance... Not to mention all the ancient summonings didn't get a single purple until I hit 50 summons and that was after restarting twice. Sad to say but before they "fixed" the summoning dealio I had way better luck and usually pulled a few legendaries during banners. Now I only get them on pity, and usually rubbish at that!
I'm sure my rates stayed the same, and when I was going back and forth with support, they told me I was one account directly affected, and i still feel it the same shit rates
260 ancients and another 200 the last time she was on the banner and still no Ingrid. Got a couple dupes including Iovar to reset my lord pity. Super happy saving for so long. On the wukong banner I went to full pity as usual but then got a second copy after 30 more pulls. Every banner should have a damn pity for the first copy at least.
I’m on the side of they’re equalizing everything to release the rates and pretend like that’s how they’ve always been. They’ve earned a lot of bad faith this year that they cover up with free rewards and it seems like how they’d go about it.
I'm in that 20% then. My ancients still sucked as they have since I started the game. Not having 1 of the 4 great lords impacts arena and gvg dramatically.
Idk i had rough luck in the original lust banner. This wukong banner though i got a5 in 900 summons and 3 ingrid in 230 summons. Im down to boost some rates though
I got 2 Wu Kongs (1 guaranteed) and 5 other legendaries in 600 summons and Cyrus only from 200 Ancient summons. I had saved for months just to try and get a good limited or Ingrid and got shafted.
180 AS, got 2 Ingrid and Ymerit. 400RS 2 Wukong, maybe i was just lucky this time but i do agree they should show transparency with the individual rates. I'm quite pessimistic that Moonton would ever reveal that tho. 🤷
I think its worse with ancients. Pulled 185, no Ardea no Ingrid, my pity was Solcadens and then I got an Iovar, i"m not mad, but it feels bad when i save for months and i don't even get one of the banner heroes.
My pull rates on 15x are horrible on both normal and ancients. Ancients are worse I have to be close to pity to pull a leggo. Back to squirreling away ancients till I get to a hundred +
Went to full pity for wukomg. Did an additional 100 to get a1, nothing so far. Had 30 ancients and no luck at all only 2 epics even, was a bad pull for me. Also did 6 divines and nothing there.
I got A1 wukong on his banner and no Lego in over 100 on ancients. Seems normal to me. I think more people are actually playing now then a year ago, idk for sure but that would be my guess so more results to look at.
I got a bunch of Epics on the Ingrid banner, but no Ingrid or any other Lego :( At this point, there is absolutely zero reason that would inspire me to purchase Ancients. They are WAY too expensive and the odds are WAY to low.
Also as per my name, they still owe us compensation for the rares stuff up, but literally NOBODY is talking about it, and one cc in particular (the biggest) in my opinion is covering it up.
maybe they were in the holiday spirit? lol I noticed on the ancients that everyone pulled only ardeas or ingrids but not both, or is it just me? I got 2 ingrids and thallen in 120 pulls...
The disparity in luck is through the roof. You see comments from people saying that they got 2 or 3 copies in 200-300 summonings, where there are others who had over 1,000 summonings who just got the guaranteed copy and got 10-15 off-banner leggos. It's enough to make you want to call shenanigans. As for myself, I did around 750 and got the guaranteed copy, an A1 Constance and two other crap heroes. It wasn't as bad for me as the ones who saved up over a thousand and didn't get any extra copies. How do you do 1700 summons and get 15 leggos, with only getting the guaranteed copy ? It just sounds like bs to me.
The disparity is what was striking to me too. If the rates are low then lots of people will only get 0 or 1 extra copy out of 1000 summons. But then the odds of people getting 5 extra copies in 600 summons would be way lower. The part of me that warns not to belive in conspiracies says that maybe the majority of the comments are from a small group of people who were in the extremes.
I can tell you I am very pissed about the holiday banners, I skipped everything (Blue/Diamond) since October and I'm not sure how long for Ancients. I'm at 800+ summons for the Wukong banner and only got the guaranteed 200 copy and 4 other legendaries of which 1 was new and semi useful (magda) and the rest were not helpful (a5 aylin, a1 setram, a3 razaak). Pulled 125 ancients and got nothing at all, not new or useful epics, no legendaries, literally everything from ancients got sold for gems or purple coins. I missed out of Lyra, 1+1s and probably a few other heroes that could have been more useful than what I got. The fact that I did so bad and basically every CCs personal pulls that I watched also did horrible doesn't do anything to make me think its not all BS. Back when rates were known and for a bit after when rates were extrapolated from previous data and summoning results, we knew that banner heroes typically had around an 18% chance to pull each, so 36% chance for a banner hero. Limited banners should be about the same, the limited hero should have somewhere between a 25% and 33.3% chance of being pulled minimum. If you save for months you should be rewarded with a high chance of pulling at least one duplicate limited, if you spend a ton on the banner and pull thousands of times then yeah, A5 for you most of the time. JakeSmash pulled 14 legendaries not including the guaranteed wukong, if the rate was 25% he'd have been likely to pull 4-6 total copies, depending on if he hits the guarantee or pulls one early. I get this is gambling in disguise, but at least in actual gambling you know the exact odds of winning each and every prize, not a meaning less overall odd for a prize pool. I'd probably be less disappointed if the actual individual rates were all posted on every banner because I'd know what to expect, but since they are not and this is still a game, it just pisses me off.
i am tired rant about drop rates, and at this point i am using what i have and maximize it. the result, faction trial done, GR21 all done... GB1 50k done... GB2 semrah2 get 45k. by the time i got good hero... whats the point... already almost finish all. lol. I am sick pulling just to get cerberus and orim.
In my experience, I don't ever get the 15x banner heroes with the blue summons. None, zero in 11 months. I always go to pity or I pull an Azhor or Apsan then go to pity before I get something usable. However of the 2x drops, the ones we shouldn't pull on, my luck has been a lot better and on the divines I'm getting leggos in every 2 or 3 pulls. I would suggest treating the blue summons as a throw away currency at this point Just my viewpoint.
I have a theory that accounts at the end game are either chaos or arbiter aligned, I cant buy an arbiter but can get many chaos from banners. For example last Praetus banner, got 4x Urdein and a twin at lord pity.... i got demi from first ingrid banner....had enough of the banners and the game. Im totally f2p now and will not spend here ever again. As for Wukong, got a lego early on his banner but a dupe, had to then go 200 to get him.
I got 4 wukongs out of four Legendaries. The fifteen times actually works on me and some other people.but at the same time I also see people puling thousands of pulls but got only one or two copies of him.This looks weird
I think it was the opposite for me. I got lucky with rares hit wukong twice in 300 summons but no luck on Ingrid banner. I got dupe torodor on pity and no ardea either 😢
But i agree that they boosted ancients because I've been getting way more legendarys than before on it. And my sister just started playing the game and got Praetus on her 1st ever 10 ancient pull on his banner and she also got Ingrid on her banner with her next 10 pull..
Another possibility: All the lego rates were equalized (I see alot of boreas/hatssut lately) and if the pool is all even, the 15x has a harder time competing with the pool than before
and would make sense to why Wukong seems rarer than before
Would also make the epics seeming more even make more sense
and why there's more lords being pulled from normal pulls
and why I'm seeing more ancient exclusive lords from ancients (used to be rarer than normal lords)
It's not a guarentee but it's the most likely possibility I have seen so far.
185 summon got 1 legendry and 1 legendry Lord laya. Same happened in preatus banner too
35 ancients 2exclusives and morrigan
Ardea and the healer lizard giz keep forgetting his name
Almost 1k blues only 2 wukong
400 Ancients, just 2 Lords, no Ingrid, just 2 trash lords, and only 1 other trash non-lord lego, Claw. Have him at A3, while no Constance, Sargak, Carnelian, or any other good ancient. This is BS. My lords on Ancients are ONLY at pity
Same bro, I rarely even hit normal leggos there, lords are always at pity.
My first 6 lords, I was the same way, all full pity, then I got super lucky on the last pope banner to get 4 lords in ~300. In other words, it will equal out over time, just be patient
Yeah both Praetus and Ingrid banners were trash for me too. Many accounts are aaalways luckier than some others and that's a fact.
sry to hear not all was lucky today.
Jupp i need full pitty also its BS
It's not rigged in the sense that they changed drop rates, it's rigged in the sense that some accounts still have better luck than others. I have always had to get to pity, and I was happy when they said they fixed it, but that wasn't the case, I still have to get to pity every single time, and in this event I've only gotten trash, so it feels like all that effort in saving and collecting resources was wasted, which is to say that actually playing this will be a waste of time
Hello. I wrote to support today. There are three accounts on my guild that they pull every ancient weekend at least one legendary, as minimum. But usually they also get legendary lord outside of pity system. And they are f2p, they don´t open 200 ancients per weekend. They just open 30-40.
Since september that i dont get a legendary from ancients and for lords I always have gone to pity. I asked support if my account was rigged or bugged and they told it wasn't that i should be patient and better luck
😂😂😂😂😂@@wizardoo8983
@@wizardoo8983 lol they will never told you your account is rigg lol
Two guildmates...one got Ingrid and Ardea in less than 23 summons (away from pitty) and the other one got Praetus 2 times in 15 summons.
I m raging being 150 in pitty and only got Ardea and nothing else...
I pulled 145 Ancients today and not a single Lego. I'm really pissed off about that.
Holy crap
I got none off of 52 and thought that was sad..
I pulled 20 and got my second Ingrid sorry man. Even though I was "lucky" I still feel something weird is going on with the summons.
125 and same
I only had 30 to pull because I'm behind, but got 2 legos
I pulled 20 ancients today and in my 2nd ten pull I received two ingrids. I don't think anything is rigged. It's just math and some of us are getting unlucky with the math.
Id say the summons are still rigged account based rigging
You made a great point that the pool has widened.
Bluntguts also made a good point that since limited heroes are never in the normal pool, there is literally only ONE rate, so calling it 15x is essentially a lie.
Bluntguts is just salty because he was unlucky wit Wukong. They can put any rate they want for him and then make it 15x. There is no lie. He was more than willing to call everything rigged because he was unlucky with Wukong but conveniently ignored the fact that he had almost double drop rate of leggos.
The leggo drop rate is 1-in-121. He didn't get good rates, just average. (Plus poor Wukong luck)
@@Timko234 Its not a 2x banner. The leggo drop rate 0.46%. The average would be to hit pity every single time.
The average is 121 on a 1x banner, and 85 on a 2x banner.
@@Timko234 No its not. The drop rate for a normal leggo is literally shown in game and its 0.46% and 0.04% for lords. Thats 0.5% in total. One in 200.
Finally someone told it loudly. In ancient summons some players get 11 legendary heroes in 300 pulls when other guys keep getting lords in pity and 1 leggo on this same time. Of course devs can say this is random, but after all bugs (which was detected by players) I'm not sure.
Mostly just audio - had to get this off my chest LOL
Hey so I did over 1K summons for wukong and only got 1 copy on him. I did like 500-600 summons for ingrid only got 1 copy. The rate have def changed. I complained to the GM and they are lying saying the rates are same. I really want to call a lawyer and go after them for false advertisement. If you think we stand a chance I think we can get a group of people that struggled w this as well I think we would have a solid case.
Also, to add I had the same issue with Lord pheines, Xena, and Lyra. I feel like for the people who are spending money are being targeting and they are lowering their rates? Because I have noticed other whales as well that have said they are not getting any copies either
@@arslaankrishi9872 I strongly doubt you have a case
I’m sure it is still a 15x whether you think so or not
I’m confused about the base rates not the 15x
@@Destined_WoR yeah but for 1000x summons w a 15% rate? Also, this has happened to other whales as well in multiple banners. I know someone is also seeing them w a civial law suit for similar reasons
This games summons have been horrible sense i started spending on the game. Tricked me into spending few hundred for a banner and then still could not get the banner hero. What was worse is before when i first started playing all the CC would rave about how good the rates were and it felt like i was being manipulated into spending. Fast forward to after there fix, now it feels even worse ans CC are also showing horrible rates now.
I pulled 22 ancients just now...got Ghan and Cyrus within 3 shards...22 pulls overall. I'm not complaining about rates today!!
Me neither. Within 20 pulls I got both ardea and Ingrid
How many other people do you know that's happened to?
I got chaun also. And Ajax the unnamed he's fkn awesome 😎
@@numbersabcdefgMe hehehe
I noticed the rates have been worse ever since fastidious pointed out the rates they have been messed up. We were getting better pulls when they were scripted back then and thats the truth haha
I literally said this with my group of friends. Wukong is their pride & joy and this sounds like a perfect opportunity to suck everyone dry as they make a PVE god hero and proceed to make his rate low because everyone was thinking they wouldn't do this on such an important day of the year for china.
IT'S A GACHA GAME GUYS THEY LITERALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU.
why anyone thinks things will be different is astounding
I would have to agree with you.
Yeah....had to hit pity for Lyra and got setram in divine again. 40 ancients and 200 blued between ares and monkey. Nada. I mean, I don't care. But, really? Ares would have at least helped where I'm stuck on trials. Bleh. I've gotten two twins and king p in 300 days
Boost my arse. Over 200 ancients and got 3 legos, non of the banner one... Something smells very fishy with those rates.
Over 600 blue summons and 1 wu kong.
Others gets 3 Ingrids in one 10 spin and 2 wukongs in 10 blue spin
.. i get total poopoo...
I felt this exact way on the praetus banner pulled 145 got A1 Ajax on pity and A1 uredin while everyone else was pulling multiple popes
There are a bunch of things going on: the 1st is that having the rates for different champions in the same rarity category be different is strange, bordering on the deceptive. When one opens the explanatory tab and sees the rates (Legendary Lords X, Legendary Y, Epic Lords Z, so on), those should be the rates for all the characters listed. The idea that there is a hidden rarity level, where (for example) Hatsut is like 1/3 the rate of Apsan (dunno if that's the actual rates), and there is nothing inside the game that gives any indication of that? Very disturbing, and, as I said, borders the issue of a deceptive practice, and this is not just a game, but a system where money can be exchanged.
At the same time, these things are so hard to actually observe, because they are inherently rare events. For example, hoping against hope I pulled 20 red crystals this morning: I pulled 2 Legendary Lords, Ingrid and Ghan. Even with being at pity for the first lord (Ingrid), it's crazy lucky to pull another Lord within 15.
The upshot of both of those highlights the reality that Moonton really needs to be transparent: this is essentially a casino game of sorts, and you can't have a casino where the players don't know if the house is changing the rates without telling the players. Heck, Destined mentioned the idea that the rates were changed to make people satisfied: without transparency, perhaps the rates were changed for the Holiday season to motivate people to spend on more summons? Who knows?
In any case, thanks for looking out for the community, and have a Happy New Year Destined!
Ancients have been way worse for me. I pulled 220 summons with only a guaranteed Torodor from pity. Saved up for 6 months and got no Ardea or Ingrid. How do some accounts have such insane luck meanwhile other accounts are never hitting legendaries besides pity??? Game is super rigged and idk if I'll stay for much longer
Yooo, fr fr. I got Torodor on my pity and then I’ve pulled 0 leggos in 130 pulls. Frustrating!
Seriously. Arena and apoc are broken with all these that have them a5. Give me a bone like rork or something.
Same here 225 pulls for venoma (I have cyrus) and alistar. When I see on yt 3 leggos on 30 pulls I feel pain because of this injustice? I don't know how to call it.
Same for me. Everyone in the guild have praetus and Ingrid. And I have pulled Harz on hard pity. No fun
I guess I'm in the percentage of unlucky accounts. Ancient summons on my account have been awful on any banner I pull on, and I have had my account for a year. Some in my clan have 1 or 2 sets of 10 pulls and get back-to-back legendary lords, and I'm like FML, I can't get even one. The Ancients I do have are trash and I'm so effing tired of seeing Niro and Narvi it's not funny. I'm on the verge of quitting the game.
Same here .. ancients needs fixing
keep in mind that
there is 18 legendary lords in the pool so if rates are equal you have 15/32 chance to get ingrid on her 15x banner (46,8%)
there is 57 legendary heroes in the normal banner pool so if rates are equal you have 15/71 chance to get wukong on his 15x (21,1%)
ofc it's easier to target the hero you want on an anciant banner
but yes they should share the real rates i 100% agree with that
yeah fully agree with stated, but in reality there was way less Wukong drops then 21% chance in reality unfortunately.
i might quit for real unfair rate while i wasting time grinding and other just chill and have better luck
My Ancient summons on the past 2 banners (Prateus and now Ingrid) have been a roller-coaster ride, rates for me were complete 180's of each other. Praetus banner: 380+ summons yielded only Uredin (x2), Ingrid (x2, both on pity, she was new to my account), and no Praetus. On today's Ingrid banner: 83 summons yielded Uredin (x2, now he's A5), Laya (new), Valderon (now, A2), and Ingrid (now, A2). I suppose I just had dumb luck 2 weeks ago (others were pulling Prateus left-and-right) and now super lucky on the Ingrid banner.
Also, on the WuKong banner I pulled Laurel for the first time ever. I started playing the game July 2024 and have done over 10,000 summons with no Laurel. I think you are spot-on target with the Epic rates changing, I managed to pull Laurel twice this weekend.
They normalized the rates as they have posted in game. Its no longer in hidden bucks. So a 15x on the normal banner does nothing with how many heroes are there. 15x in ancients is a much smaller pool so you actually see the benefit
This would actually make a lot of sense, doubt it true because they love their buckets but could explain the rates
This is the comment I think makes the most sense to me
@@Destined_WoR 19 ancient nornal leggos vs 57 in the normal pool. With the "rare bucket" heroes the 15x multiplier would boost them more than a normal hero. Now it's all the same and with a bigger pool of heroes you're only seeing a ~7% chance of them being pulled on rate up
Without a doubt, Epix had something going on either. They flipped the rates amongst them or we just so happened to fall into an amazing summoning pool.
I myself believe there are multiple pools either generated or that are just switched out over time.
I can’t speak on legos
Can confirm the rates are definitely off - got 4 Legos within the 30 ancient pulls, while with blues I am now on a 7 streak of not getting any rate-up characters ever since the Arrogance/Talula banner. As for epics I got 3 rare bucket ones within the same 10-pull.
The fact that so many players have similar experience recently is way too unlikely to be a coincidence
It seems that the summoning code is a complete mess and no hotfix is going to be enough, they need to rewrite it from scratch
The rates are off only for certain accounts, I have been getting insanely unlucky with ancients. 220 pulls and 1 pity dupe torodor
@@dutchbozo Yeah I am usually very sceptical about lucky/unlucky account theories due to all the gambler fallacies, but this game is an exception, the scripted luck that fasti proved about a month ago is prob just a tip of the iceberg
Id say in october and november I was pretty lucky, but for all the december banners I'm having worse luck than I've ever had before in this game, doesn't matter whether blues,divines or ancients. Dunno whats with the switch up since everyone around me seems to have unreal luck?
@@bruhhh9417 We don't know how the summoning code works exactly but it may depend on a combination of factors such as your account number, hidden pity timers, summoning time, your other in-game activity etc.
Yep. I can feel it. I did 230 ancients and quite literally only hit Pity, which was not even Ingrid. It was Laya.
I also did around 11-1200 summons regular and got(luckily) an extra copy of Wukong.
Rates haven't felt this bad in a while for me. Not sure what happened.
Pulled almost 800 on the wukong banner. Found one extra copy.
I guess I'm one of the unlucky ones. 310 Ancients. No Ingrid or Ardea. #1 and #3 on my wishlist. Bad luck seems to follow me on ancients. I started summoning with a 250 pull since last non-lord. And it took almost 250 more to find a non-lord. The first non-lord since probably 8 or 9 months: Durza. Lords that appeared: Harz, Ghan. You know why you hoard those crystals!
In the last 40 pulls I got a bit more quantity. But nothing I was looking for: Gisele, Garzak, Valeriya.
To sum it up: Disappointment. Been saving since the first Ingrid banner (where I failed to pull her).
I recommend Moonton to quickly release Beelzebub and the new NM lord. to put some extra salt on my wounds. I'm tapped out.
I recorded my whole summon session because it was the most I've ever pulled, and I also wanted to have something to look back on for the rates to see if it really is messed up. I know for sure the Ancients banner is messed up.
They definitely buffed ancient rates for a bunch of people just not me lol I’m getting so annoyed we this game lately
As a mostly free to play, i realized that epic after so long I dont need anymore. They can't be sold for diamonds to summon more. I just get the purple coins that suck.
Destined has finally snapped about the summon rates being super obviously rigged left and right and I’m all here for it ✊🏼
For me the epic drop rates were worse than before
Wukong - I went 180 pulls, switched to Aeris Setram banner to proc pity - got Trusk, returned for guaranty and seeing complaints about abysmal rates I stopped. I only ever got two legendaries before pity so nothing strange there, but only 10 epics in 200 pulls and what was strange was very few blues. No Eona or Laurel but I did get 2 Eonas from going full pity twice on Lyra banner - never dropped one before.
Ingrid - Pity Laya after 187 crystals, 21 epics - 10 lords, no other legendary, now I did get lucky with my pity last time to get Praetus, but again got no other legendaries and just to clarify I pulled all of my Ancients after the supposed fix...
No Laurel obviously after only 3000 blues, also no Isolde but like 10 Wraths for some reason...
I am starting to believe that there are still unlucky accounts and I am starting to see it even on gear, almost no ancients, recomended gear (prime and 2 secondary out of AB, AS, CC, CD) is mostly asclepius and Soulbound almost never drops :D
Last 11 legendaries I got, only one of them were banner ones(with higher chances to get), other ones were crap like Cratches, etc.
231 Ancients and not a single normal Legendary, got two normal Lords not Ancient exclusive. This is the second time this happens to me, first time I used around 170 or so and same thing happened, not a single Legendary character either.
I definitely agree Destined. I mean, a year ago when I started back in December of 2023 this game has grown exponentially. But not just with its content, but its roster pool as well.
And I have a feeling that with the ancient crystals, there is a considerable rate that is separated from the regular pool or maybe I'm just wrong?
Not saying that you can't pull regular summon legendaries from the red crystals, but considering that how these boosted summons work it would seem somewhat the case.
I mean, my personal take on it is that we had a double guarantee feature with the banners. A guaranteed Wukong & a guaranteed Ingrid. Even I pulled her, not that I'm complaining of course. But it's just very confusing because I remember the Praetus/ Ingrid banner And she was impossible for me to pull.
2x is a scam. Wukong wasn't boosted. Drop rates have only got worse in the last 6 months.
I got a2 wukong in 260 pulls
@@broadbunny5753nobody asked bro
This makes sense. I haven't pulled any single Laurel for my whole playthrough here in WoR and now I got one. Also, I got 2 Ardea's and 1 Ingrid in my 100 AS. Spent 500 rares in Wukong banner and not a single copy of Wukong except the guaranteed one.
Not sure if you know but the little hamster/critter is a polymorph effect on a variant weapon skill.
250 sumon on ancient and i don't get ANY non lord hero... got 2 lord but absolutly nothing else.... i'm so mad at this...
my guildmate pulled on Ingrid banner today. he had 120 shards and got 4 Ingrids. wtf
1600 for kirigi a1 need pity for every legendary ...wukong 600 for 1 wu and again need pity for every legendary ......only 600 cuz now i am f2p since summon fiasco same with my divines can you imagine 34 divine for 2 off banner legendary
The fix is simple....reverse how they did Lyra banner. Instead of picking a hero to add to the banner they allow us to select 15 Legendary heros that cannot be pulled. Then go forward add 1 more to remove for every 5 new heros they add.
227 ancient pulls today, 1 aracha on pity and not a single legendary non-lord
I am sorry for your loss
I did 120 ancients got 3 legos but not a single lego/lord character from the actual banner, like what? Are the rate up actually there
the worst part is why would they have common and rare bucket hero in a supposed to be same rate hero and they clearly show the rate but in the background they have different rate
Over the last 4 banners on blue summons ive pulled 3-4 leggos on each banner so about 16 leggos, Ive only hit the 15x leggo one time. I definitely think the size of the pool is the major contributing factor. Yes some people will get lucky and pull more banner leggos but on the whole the more they add the less likely we are going to be to hit the 15x It would be nice to see the rate go to 20x or as you say a scaling rate.
If they increase the Epics, that means less rares to sell to get back gems
hi, I got a question: tomorrow we get unpolished lego soulstone that will make me have 5. Who would you suggest I raise to a5: wukong or kigiri?
i got fucked on the ancient summons hard and on WK 130 (160 into pity, so i didnt even get chance to pity swap) so i'm ready to throw hands.
im hearing people getting 4 ingrids in 200 summons meanwhile I've saved all my ancients except 25 since i started 145 days ago, and all i got was sargak and hit Demi for my Lord Pity.
Moonton might think it'll make me spend but i'll just fuckin quit if this keeps up.
I understand there is a variance but the variance is so wild and game changing, Im getting close to end game with only the last few floors of gear dungeon and semrah to clear, and at this point its a 80% hero check which i'm not getting
It's probably because I didn't go for any awakenings, but I've felt very lucky this Holiday season.
Pity pulled Silas from the choose your own Lego + Lyra banner. (Pulled Valkyra the week prior too)
Pulled Wukong in 50 summons.
Pulled Ardea in my first 10 ancients.
Made a bigger upgrade to my account in this week alone than I have in multiple months prior.
Ingrid banner I pulled a Venoma and then Iovar. I fully believe that regular leggo lords and ajax should not exist in the ancient summoning pool. The amount of disappointment is enough to make someone rage.
I agree they shouldn't be there
Ingrid banner pull her with 20 summons.
Preatus never get him with more 100 summons
Good rant. It’s a good point. I am still 3k summons and haven pulled a gluttony.
They could add soul stone or 2 in the top rewards for the spiritual alter and expand it a little bit so more pulls need to be done.
My point was 50000+
68k dimond and 160 rare
I got stupid lucky with Ancients.
But a suggestion maybe something like a faction banner? Where it's only heros from a specific faction. Or a class banner something like that where the Lego pool is smaller?
I got insane leggo rates during my pull session for Wukong. I got a total of 8 leggos in maybe 300ish summons and only 1 was Wukong.
My ancient pulls have been insane. I pulled the following champs with 180 ancients: 1x Demi, 1x Pelagios, 1x Cyrus, 1x Cerberus, 1x Ingrid and 4x Ardea. My blue summons have been terrible with 1 wukong and 4 whatever champs in about 700 pulls
I totally agree.
Epics are buffed, I got 2 eonas this weekend. More than in 10months!
This ancient banner this weekend has been INSAAAANE. 160 ancients: Jeera, Ingrid(new!), Dassomi(new!), Valderon(new!), valeriya 🤩😱🙌
So yes, there's something "wrong", well different here
Im sure there's an EU law that lootbox rates have to be displayed, but i guess it depends if a gacha summong meets the definition of a lootbox.
EU laws requires games to show drop rates of "lootboxes" which this would definitely be defined as.
200 pull ancient and no single Ardea and Ingrid appear...just off rate venoma and demi.
450 pull CS just got 1 Wukong from Fixed 200 pull Wukong.
These rate are scam...montoon scam.
I think the reason they are equalising the rates now, is because they ARE planning on showing us the rates.
But not what the rates WAS, but what the rates are now.
This is to stop us getting outraged when we find out Eona was 0.0001% when they do release the rates
Monkey has been lowered big time it’s way to obvious
My conspiracy theory mind tells me they control the rates in order to control their income.
180 summons and a dupe Harz is all i had to show for it. One singular off banner leggo for 4-5 months of saving
I pulled 145 ancients, got a1 Ardea after only 20, then hit pity with a0 Laya, then nothing. Hopnestly I had seen what people ppulled recently and I was expecting something similar, but I got fucking shafted.
I saved for two months. 77 Ancients, 102 Blue Crystals, 20k diamonds. I got the all, almost. I didn't get Aeris. But, Setram, Wukong, Ingrid, Ardea, plus Solcadens, Krodor A1... All yesterday! Luckiest pulls ever. But no Laurel. Shes the ONLY epic I'm missing. And that magic Brienne. Don't know if anyone has her.
im finishing s6 with my guild them im quitting.. i got twinfiend on pope and ingrid banner then Gisele on ingrid banner too make things worse. Fvck This Game
160 ancients - morgana.
1200 rares - 3 wukongs.
Something very sinister going on.
Did 3.5k summons this Wukong banner and ended up only getting 2 copies, definitely feels like something was off but maybe I was just unlucky.
The rates is how they control the game. It's not gonna happen. And Wukong was rigged. The same hero pool for Wukong is the hero pool for the other legos and multiple people were pulling the same non boosted lego multiple times like 3x Magda. If Wukong is 15x boost how is Magda and others coming out 3x in the same session instead of him? This is the longest limited banner. They have to make people chase Wukong. The only way to do that is via the ratings. That's why they don't wanna show it.
It feels like they put out all these cool banners back to back so we would use up our resources and have to buy more to keep trying. Between the last 3 banners I got pity twice and they were both rubbish not even in the "boosted" chance... Not to mention all the ancient summonings didn't get a single purple until I hit 50 summons and that was after restarting twice. Sad to say but before they "fixed" the summoning dealio I had way better luck and usually pulled a few legendaries during banners. Now I only get them on pity, and usually rubbish at that!
gameplay - shows summons
@WorGuides summons are part of the game 🙄 (I refuse to admit I’m wrong fr )
Did you expect any less from the boy 😂
I mean this is the gameplay for most people this weekend ^^
since they "fixed" the drop rate for legendary I have not gotten 1 banner hero on any banner besides wukong since he was guaranteed
They still haven't fixed these "broken accounts" its a fcking fact they lied, and i hope the cc's speak out
I'm sure my rates stayed the same, and when I was going back and forth with support, they told me I was one account directly affected, and i still feel it the same shit rates
same man my account is cursed
260 ancients and another 200 the last time she was on the banner and still no Ingrid. Got a couple dupes including Iovar to reset my lord pity. Super happy saving for so long. On the wukong banner I went to full pity as usual but then got a second copy after 30 more pulls. Every banner should have a damn pity for the first copy at least.
330 Ancients summons = ZERO Ancients - ever in the whole time playing the game. ZERO
I’m on the side of they’re equalizing everything to release the rates and pretend like that’s how they’ve always been. They’ve earned a lot of bad faith this year that they cover up with free rewards and it seems like how they’d go about it.
I'm in that 20% then. My ancients still sucked as they have since I started the game. Not having 1 of the 4 great lords impacts arena and gvg dramatically.
Idk i had rough luck in the original lust banner. This wukong banner though i got a5 in 900 summons and 3 ingrid in 230 summons. Im down to boost some rates though
I got 2 Wu Kongs (1 guaranteed) and 5 other legendaries in 600 summons and Cyrus only from 200 Ancient summons. I had saved for months just to try and get a good limited or Ingrid and got shafted.
I pulled about 2.5k pulls (27 legos) for Wu Kong and got him to A2. I pulled 400 ancients on Ingrid and got zero Ingrid, four lords and 5 AE Lego’s.
180 AS, got 2 Ingrid and Ymerit. 400RS 2 Wukong, maybe i was just lucky this time but i do agree they should show transparency with the individual rates. I'm quite pessimistic that Moonton would ever reveal that tho. 🤷
I think its worse with ancients.
Pulled 185, no Ardea no Ingrid, my pity was Solcadens and then I got an Iovar, i"m not mad, but it feels bad when i save for months and i don't even get one of the banner heroes.
My pull rates on 15x are horrible on both normal and ancients. Ancients are worse I have to be close to pity to pull a leggo. Back to squirreling away ancients till I get to a hundred +
Went to full pity for wukomg. Did an additional 100 to get a1, nothing so far. Had 30 ancients and no luck at all only 2 epics even, was a bad pull for me. Also did 6 divines and nothing there.
I got A1 wukong on his banner and no Lego in over 100 on ancients. Seems normal to me. I think more people are actually playing now then a year ago, idk for sure but that would be my guess so more results to look at.
I'm very lucky with this weekend.. 600-650 summons = 1x azhor, 1x garanteed wukong and 4x wukong.. 170 ancients = 2x Ingrid, 1x Ardea, 2x Constnce, 1x Allistair, 1x Valderon, 1x Dassomi and 1x Morrigan
I got a bunch of Epics on the Ingrid banner, but no Ingrid or any other Lego :(
At this point, there is absolutely zero reason that would inspire me to purchase Ancients. They are WAY too expensive and the odds are WAY to low.
Also as per my name, they still owe us compensation for the rares stuff up, but literally NOBODY is talking about it, and one cc in particular (the biggest) in my opinion is covering it up.
Fasti is a piece of shit always has been, i wouldn't be suprised if he litterly works for them.
Has anyone else noticed that you are getting overall less blue heroes. And getting a lot more greens, idk if that just me.
maybe they were in the holiday spirit? lol I noticed on the ancients that everyone pulled only ardeas or ingrids but not both, or is it just me? I got 2 ingrids and thallen in 120 pulls...
I don't know about everyone else, but after the big update, I go to pity pretty much every time for leggos. It sucks.
The disparity in luck is through the roof. You see comments from people saying that they got 2 or 3 copies in 200-300 summonings, where there are others who had over 1,000 summonings who just got the guaranteed copy and got 10-15 off-banner leggos. It's enough to make you want to call shenanigans. As for myself, I did around 750 and got the guaranteed copy, an A1 Constance and two other crap heroes. It wasn't as bad for me as the ones who saved up over a thousand and didn't get any extra copies. How do you do 1700 summons and get 15 leggos, with only getting the guaranteed copy ? It just sounds like bs to me.
The disparity is what was striking to me too. If the rates are low then lots of people will only get 0 or 1 extra copy out of 1000 summons. But then the odds of people getting 5 extra copies in 600 summons would be way lower.
The part of me that warns not to belive in conspiracies says that maybe the majority of the comments are from a small group of people who were in the extremes.
I can tell you I am very pissed about the holiday banners, I skipped everything (Blue/Diamond) since October and I'm not sure how long for Ancients. I'm at 800+ summons for the Wukong banner and only got the guaranteed 200 copy and 4 other legendaries of which 1 was new and semi useful (magda) and the rest were not helpful (a5 aylin, a1 setram, a3 razaak). Pulled 125 ancients and got nothing at all, not new or useful epics, no legendaries, literally everything from ancients got sold for gems or purple coins. I missed out of Lyra, 1+1s and probably a few other heroes that could have been more useful than what I got. The fact that I did so bad and basically every CCs personal pulls that I watched also did horrible doesn't do anything to make me think its not all BS.
Back when rates were known and for a bit after when rates were extrapolated from previous data and summoning results, we knew that banner heroes typically had around an 18% chance to pull each, so 36% chance for a banner hero. Limited banners should be about the same, the limited hero should have somewhere between a 25% and 33.3% chance of being pulled minimum. If you save for months you should be rewarded with a high chance of pulling at least one duplicate limited, if you spend a ton on the banner and pull thousands of times then yeah, A5 for you most of the time. JakeSmash pulled 14 legendaries not including the guaranteed wukong, if the rate was 25% he'd have been likely to pull 4-6 total copies, depending on if he hits the guarantee or pulls one early.
I get this is gambling in disguise, but at least in actual gambling you know the exact odds of winning each and every prize, not a meaning less overall odd for a prize pool. I'd probably be less disappointed if the actual individual rates were all posted on every banner because I'd know what to expect, but since they are not and this is still a game, it just pisses me off.
Pulled Ardea, Valderon, Claw, Dassomi, & Kaede from 158 ancients. Only 1 lord from pity 😢
Edith at 19, WuKong at the full 20. 13 (x10) after that… absolutely nothing. This banner completely undos my luck on every single other banner.
i am tired rant about drop rates, and at this point i am using what i have and maximize it. the result, faction trial done, GR21 all done... GB1 50k done... GB2 semrah2 get 45k.
by the time i got good hero... whats the point... already almost finish all. lol. I am sick pulling just to get cerberus and orim.
We want you to talk about when the next limited hero "Beelzebub"
In my experience, I don't ever get the 15x banner heroes with the blue summons. None, zero in 11 months. I always go to pity or I pull an Azhor or Apsan then go to pity before I get something usable. However of the 2x drops, the ones we shouldn't pull on, my luck has been a lot better and on the divines I'm getting leggos in every 2 or 3 pulls. I would suggest treating the blue summons as a throw away currency at this point Just my viewpoint.
I got 5 Setrums, and not one Ingrid on this banner...
I have a theory that accounts at the end game are either chaos or arbiter aligned, I cant buy an arbiter but can get many chaos from banners. For example last Praetus banner, got 4x Urdein and a twin at lord pity.... i got demi from first ingrid banner....had enough of the banners and the game. Im totally f2p now and will not spend here ever again. As for Wukong, got a lego early on his banner but a dupe, had to then go 200 to get him.
I got 4 wukongs out of four Legendaries. The fifteen times actually works on me and some other people.but at the same time I also see people puling thousands of pulls but got only one or two copies of him.This looks weird
I think it was the opposite for me. I got lucky with rares hit wukong twice in 300 summons but no luck on Ingrid banner. I got dupe torodor on pity and no ardea either 😢
But i agree that they boosted ancients because I've been getting way more legendarys than before on it. And my sister just started playing the game and got Praetus on her 1st ever 10 ancient pull on his banner and she also got Ingrid on her banner with her next 10 pull..
Same dupe torodor for me on pity for ancients. Almost threw my laptop out the door!