Yeahhh, I'm pretty sure they're just gonna continue to get that wrong for the rest of the show tbh. No idea how, since even without the proper history, every single scene with Gorbachev makes it clear through context that he is very much a highly important political leader but... oh well.
I've seen a few people not understand that Gorbachev was already the leader of the USSR. The reason I'm assuming is the title Secretary General which is the title Stalin held while Lenin was still the leader but after Stalin came to power he kept the more humble sounding title to seem like a man of the people and the leaders that followed just kept it.
She was holding her husbands dress/smart shoes, she’d brought them to give him a proper burial, but his body had become so bloated they couldn’t get them on his feet, hence her clutching them as the concrete poured.
Some important data: 1. The Soviet Union is, as the name says, a Union of republics known as Soviet Republics 2. Each Soviet Republican had a head of state, but all republics were under the control of the Communist Party 3. Mikhail Gorbachev was the secretary of the Communist Party, and therefore, he was the Leader of the entire Soviet Union 4. The whole incident took place in Soviet Ukraine (One of the many Soviet republics that made up the USSR), not in Soviet Russia (Another Soviet Republic)
The firefighters weren't so much a risk to others once they were cleaned after exposure, the main reason not to touch or get close was because their immune system was virtually gone. So the tiniest exposure to pathogens from "healthy" people could be life threatening, of course they were doomed to die by then anyway.
Not sure if either of you know of The Chernobyl Podcast? It's an official podcast of the show where the host speaks with the creator/writer/producer of the show and talks in depth about the events within each episodes. It's great to listen to after finishing this series.
18:05 - Note that the event is * still ongoing * and the recent f*ckery by the russians near the powerplant raised concerns about the safety of the containment .. again. It only needs one dumbass to go in there and do something incredibly stupid and ignorant to cause a significant, world-changing catastrophe. Most of the russians that went in there in these past few weeks, didn't even know about the accident - they literally dug trenches in the Red Forest, which is one of the most contaminated areas near the power plant. Not even kidding.
Ok I feel the need to correct this. Every single Russian child learns about this incident in school, multiple times in different subjects and it's also thought in the military academy soo there is no Russian soldier that doesn't know the dangers of Chernobyl. Second off those " trenches" that they dug weren't combat trenches, most from the images are flood control trenches in order to keep the acces roads safe for armored vehicles. You can see they are all close to roads and mostly follow drainage ways. Third off you have to understand that radiation from Chernobyl in soil was mostly in the topsoil witch was buried beneath other soil. In the show it said they buried it beneath itself but in fact it was removed and buried in certain dump sites dug in the soil therefore most of it is safe to dig.
@@thesmxasmn5628 I didn't mean the soldiers on the show (or back in the 80's), I meant that the soldiers that went in there in 2022. They made some really critical mistakes in the area, completely ignoring the radiation warnings. And yes, they actually went to the dump sites in 'the red forest' and went ham on the soil. The dangers of Chernobyl are probably taught in the military school in russia, but these guys had never heard of the incident (when interviewed).
Every single one of those miners are some of the bravest and toughest men in human history. They were working in 50 degree heat (which is 122 DEGREES Fahrenheit), damn near suffocating, they didn’t know for certain if their work would save lives or be all for nothing but they still kept going. They’re goddamn heroes.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 And truly is disgusting how after 36 years Russia has not changed in the slightest. They still put protecting the image of their seemingly unyielding strength over the lives of their own people. They are a government lead by cowardly, brutish psychopaths. Also as of this video being posted the Russians have now abandoned their foothold in Chernobyl, because nearly all their men got radiation sickness from digging trenches which exposed them to the radioactive earth that was buried during the cleanup efforts. They will never learn.
Wht do you know about Russia? Why are you forcing your so called superior West model on others? Why west always thinks that they are superior to everyone, ignoring the fact that they are the one who cause all the pain in the world, starting from 2 world wars, to disrespecting nations terriotorial integrity. How you are going to convince the world about the things countries like USA have done to Serbia, entire south american continent, to Iran, to Iraq. Who are they to put sanctions on ppl. So called hypocrites, why they think that everyone should bow down to them. Why are they forcing India to stop trade relations with China and Russia. Wht they did with Pakistan, by overthrowing their government and cunningly bribing the military? Why are they poking their nose everywhere.?What is happening in Yemen right now, who is assisting the separatist movements with finance? Why they don't believe in Sovereignty of nations?Why they think that they have ideal form of democracy? Wht they did to India post independence they literally forced them to devaluate their currency and asked them to stop trading with USSR. And then sold mere food articles at high prices. How they declined India's request for help in 1971 war. What they did to Vietnam? And, what about Afghanistan, they went there to remove Taliban (brainchild of USA), and then replaced democratically elected government with Talban. Rofl Putting sanctions on Iran, just beacause they are improving their nuclear power, when west itself posses more nuclear weapons. They talk about humanitarian grounds, when they themselves are the reason behind destruction of cultures, civilisation and countries. How they treat African continent, as they are nothing more than a resource rich country.🙄 Ignore typo and grammatical mistakes
@@akankshapravin1418 I’m not saying we are perfect, but at least in our country we don’t have to actively fear for our lives if we in the slightest way even bruise the ego of the Russian government. Most of the Russian people themselves are sick of the way their government acts now. Look at how protesters are being beaten and black bagged in the streets just for saying they aren’t in favor of killing innocent Ukrainians. Hell Russia just enacted laws that forbid even even talking about the war in a negative way. With a sentence of up to TEN YEARS if violates. Everyone should be allowed to criticize or even insult their leaders without fear of death. Take George W. Bush, I hated when he was president because he was an absolute idiot, but the 1 thing I respect about him is that he took insults from late night and stand up comedians for 8 years and took those insults like a man. He would even laugh along with them sometimes. Can you really look me in the eye and say the same thing about Putin?
When it comes to the last part, don't believe everything you are told. There is zero proof for that. Just random claims in a world of fake news & propaganda
16:14 that's Barry Keoghan, yeah he was in Green Knight. Also, you've probably seen him in Dunkirk and Eternals (Druig), and he was the Joker in The Batman deleted scene
20:21 yeah the woman scientist character was actually 12-20 people from the college who actually discovered that there could be an even bigger explosion.
"This show's not messing around" But wait, there's more! The dramatization of Lyudmila and Vasily Ignotenko were taken from Lyudmila's interviews. Along with the other of the Pripyat residents affected from the event, their testimonies collected and written in the Voices from Chernobyl book. The show takes some of the material from the book. I viewed an interview with Lyudmila who was displeased with how the show characterized her as being naive and neglectful.
Jaby, you REALLY need to brush up on soviet union era politics. They're treating the Minister of Coal like shit because he was a lackey - addressing actual coal workers in a suit that cost more than they likely made in half a year....he was a yes man, unworthy of any position of power. He deserved it, at the very least. I would've said, and done, much harsher to him
@@stearinlys I believe that to be correct - I'm just pointing to it as the writers/directors way of showing how soviet Russia was actually ranback then - by yes men
It seems like they recorded the videos all at the same time, so their commentary does not include anything that we have been posting in the comments. ✌✌
Somebody already mentioned Barry Keoghan being in this, but the head miner guy? That's Alex Ferns, the actor who played Commissioner Pete Savage in The Batman. Totally blew my mind when I found out, he was unrecognizable to me from this role.
I was in 8th grade when I was taught about nuclear fission and fusion basic,radioactive material and all that stuff and I remember asking my dad when I was young that why don't we use nuclear energy and stop using non renewable fuels. And just smiled at me and said "because we think that we know too much than we actually do". And it took me half a decade to get what it meant. And it's very scary.
29:24 I don't she was having an ah-ha moment. She was emotionally crushed that the husband she loved not only died, but died in the worst way. That would fuck with any loving spouse. -- She just like most people were ignorant about the radiation, but she was kind woman and as you mentioned, loved makes even the smartest people do the stupidest things. I will never make sense to those without empathy, or those that haven't been in their shoes.
The thing about those suits is that they are only best at reducing the risk involved on outright eliminating it, that is to say that the suits would have been equally meaningless in that situation.
The lady defies all the protocols not because she doesn't understand the gravity of the situation, but because she doesn't care when it comes to her husband. She's more like... What'd I do living without him anyway? If he's going, I go too. (You're right, love makes you do stupid things.😕) I think.🙇🏻♀️
Especially when someone you loves has to go through such a horrific, painful death. Alone. How could you live with yourself if you weren't there for them?
It’s my understanding that the Minister of Coal was actually a former miner highly respected by his men not some career Party politician. Coal was so important to the Soviet Union at that time that miners were accorded certain “courtesies” telling a soldier to “shut the fuck up!” was viewed as just miners being miners.
this episode is fucking art the sound design the sets the cosrume design and make up amazing This is a show that makes you feel and you dont get alot of that anymore
I work in security in Texas, like ADT. So I have to go up into attics all the time. In Texas during the summer, attics easily hit 122 degrees. It sucks. And I don't have the option of going up there naked. Not that I would, man that would suck even worse. There have been times that I questioned whether I would be able to get out, because I was close to passing out. And I've been doing that work almost 2 decades.
What is ironic to me, relating to today's world, is that the occupying Russian forces in Ukraine DROVE through the "red forest" when they occupied the Chernobyl nuclear power plant three weeks ago, where radiation is still extremely high even after almost 40 years. They kicked up the deadly dust and inhaled all that dust. Now, it seems they suddenly pulled out a few days ago, because the soldiers were already showing signs of extreme radiation sickness. No one told them (not that I feel particularly sorry for them, considering the atrocities they are committing all throughout Ukraine). But still....even all these years later, most Russians still have NO idea what happened there.
@@aditisk99 They will not acknowledge that as part of their history because they can't admit that they made a nuclear disaster. That's how communist works.
@@aditisk99 ik this is a old comment but most of the soilders are from poor regions of russia like urals, north cacasus and the far east, most of the soilders have joined the miltary for a quick way to make money to send to there homes, its most likely these soilders know very little of the severity of chernobly
The most horrific incident by human in human history . This documentary just gives a civilised version of the fear , dismay , loss horror of the people ... the official podcast and vote notes of survivors is seriously heart wrenching. Also like this is a podcast of Japan after usa atomic bomb drop where people literally saw hell dropped from above
Real victims suffered much worse The show downplayed their condition bcoz it would've been too much for the audience They shot a scene where a plant worker's entire face literally fell off his bones (based on a real account), but decided not to put that scene in the show as it was too horrifying Their skin fell off like wet paper from a slippery surface, blood oozing out from all over the body, big black patches on skin due to cell death, intestines peeping out the body as if vines growing on tree branches I heard one person literally vomited out his organs
People who have radiation sickness are not necessarily contaminated, for example the fire fighters in hospital are clean. It was a common thing for the children who were relocated to be avoided at school and made to stay away from others because it was wrongly believed that they were contaminated.
As jaby earlier said no one knew what nuclear causes how much it causes. No one had the proper information and equipments at that time (even this time) to contain all this. Kudos to USSR scientists and the working teams who solved this catastrophe. HBO should make a series on Bhopal Gas Tragedy (but i think they won't because it was American company)
You can't spread radiation from touch once their cloths were removed and given baths they are no longer contaminated, but yes full of radiation that radiation will not leave no matter what
I suggest you watch ‘Chernobyl Doctor Fact Checks the HBO Series’ by Vanity Fair after you’re done with the show. It might surprise you, though I would save it for after you’ve completed the series. It’s really interesting and it could be fun as a reaction or just something to watch on your own.
I was born in a year when this plant exploded and my parents were very afraid of a consequences, afterwards eery time I did something wronng as a child they just told to themselves that I was one of a charnobyl children, like it was an explanation of every wrongdoing my generation did, bad grades? Child of a Chernobyl, bad bechavior? Chid of a chernobyl and so on, its funny now.
2 of the 3 men they sent down into that water are still alive today. Oleksiy Ananenko and Valery Bezpalov are still alive! Thank you brothers! The third died of a heart attack in 2005 God may you grant rest to Boris Baranov.
The title General Secretary was the presidential level of the Soviet communist party. Gorbachev was in power at that time. People in the Soviet Union were not well informed about the effects of radiation or fallout. For example, propoganda had spread the impression that vodka would combat the effets of radiation, so it was no surprise that the KGB agents were drinking vodka at the bar. It may have been an easter egg to that fact.
You’re right, Alex Fern is a Scottish actor. It might’ve made more sense to have the miners be Welsh, but you’re theory is interesting, as the English have historically looked down on the Scottish as lower class or what have you.
She knows the gravity of the situation but She's madly in love with her husband, so much so that she'll willingly consume poison for him, & these were great character moments of the show, not only presenting the horror of the incident but the human side of people affected by it.
Just to add the context - the coal miners shown are from Tula, and the affected water basin (from Kiev to Black Sea) would be in Ukraine. So, these men didn't exactly sacrifice themselves for the love od their home.
Syntell says: ""...Mikhail Gorbachev is the General Secretary so this was the time that he was not yet the leader.. Answer: General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was the de facto highest ranking office of the Union...Gorbachev is already the leader of USSR
@@driptoffen3604What? It's such an excellent decision. Instead of swamping the show with a huge number of scientists they told their story through one so we can really focus on Legasov and Boris. It's just good writing. You wanted all the scientists to have separate parts???
The only hard thing to watch is the guy on the left continually saying that Gorbachev is not the leader yet WHEN HE ACTUALLY *WAS* THE LEADER AT THAT POINT.
FYI. Trump was the only president in my lifetime who didn't involve America in another war. Moreover, damn near everything he was warning Europe about in regards to Russia and energy has come to pass.
15:05 jokes aside, he was definitely terrified for him. He tried stopping Legasov twice from pushing forth with this conversation, because one misstep could most definitely cost him his life.
Although still radioactive but those concrete burried coffins will be the best preserved human body forever in any time history, even better than the Egyptian mummies for thousands of years!
As much as I felt the same about the curly haired lady, I get why she was like that. I mean, yes, she's living in a country with limited information and inundated by propaganda, but aren't we all? No, I think she simply believed there was no hope for her anyway while watching her man melt before her eyes, her days must be numbered. So is she not going to try and be as close to him for as long as they possibly still have together?
two things - 1. Gorbachev was already the leader of Russia. Secretary-General at that time is similar to President now. 2. In reality, it was not on two people to figure stuff out. The makers of the show clarified that there was a large team but showing hundreds of people in the show would make the show chaotic. So these two characters were created to incorporate what the whole team did..!!!
@GETJaby, the reason hitting the AZ-5 (aka the "SCRAM" button in the USA) button caused Chernobyl Reactor 4's explosion is simple. In a nuclear reactor there are control rods that absorb neutrons created during nuclear fission. They act as a gas pedal (so to speak) on this "engine". The control rods on Reactor #4 were tipped with graphite (similar to pencil lead). When those rods were initially inserted into the core channel, the graphite caused a surge of power instead of a drop in power. This surge in power can cause the reactor to spike to levels it isn't designed to tolerate. Under normal conditions, you would insert one-control-rod-at-a-time, to avoid power spikes; especially when changing spent rods for new ones. The power spike when inserting control rods is part of what they call the "Positive Void Coefficient" (PVC) flaw in RBMK reactors like Chernobyl.
I can't help but notice that one of the reactor is a Yes man. It's just an observation from his statement about just following orders and guessing that the nuclear accident is a foul play.
There are a few things wrong with the historical account of this show but the level of threat and heroic individuals is very real. Even some misstatements of how radiation effects the body are wrong. In the end it is an oversimplification of the disaster but generally speaking it is correct. Gorbachev was premier at the time so he was in charge of the USSR. In his writings he did say he believes that this event was the straw that broke the USSR. The end will explain some things but the best thing is to listen to the podcast that ran with this show to hear what they did for dramatic license and what they could do for filming.
In this episode, they played up the interaction with the miners and the Coal Minister...and the miners did not work in the nude. This is covered in the History vs Hollywood article about the show, which I mentioned in a comment to the last video. The saddest part of the miners story is that their work turned out to be in vain...the meltdown stopped before the heat exchanger the miners worked to install ever had any effect. 😢💯✌
30:00 i have covid atm, woke up a few days ago with a severe headache, then felt light headed, fell sleep, woke up next day and no taste at all - this morning ( 14 July 2022) i even took a shot of vodka, let it sit in my mouth for a few seconds, used it as a "mouth-wash" so to speak, and swallowed it - no reaction, taste or even cough from any of it
3:25 how many times do we have to tell you Gorbachev has been the leader of the Soviet Union since 1985 he has been general secretary of the Soviets communist party. try reading the comments
Jaby u wanna know an interesting fact if me and my anti matter mix and our mass becomes 0 and if put all the values correctly in E=MC^2 ..then energy re,leased will be approx 10000 times more than Hiroshima atom bomb .... Massive right
lead suits are worthless in this scenario.I had to wear a lead suit for xrays in hospitals so that i can reduce radiation from xrays but please lead suits do nothing here.Besides it weighs like a lot and wearing that for a long time,your back is gonna crack.
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Imagine a few hundred years or a thousand years in the future. Will some archaeologists dig up a huge slab of concrete to find metal coffins and inside radioactive human remains. Will they even know what happened hundreds of years ago. Will the USSR be an empire barely remembered by history?
6:01 look at the many strike's miners did in the USSR their leaders were amongst the most corrupt! there pays would "go missing" and be delayed all the time. in soviet Russia bottom workers like these had no workers union and were basically dogs, some of the hardest working men in the USSR. this is why they had a horrible attitude it directly reflected there horrible living conditions. also, Russian revolution was called the "workers revolution" but workers were still treated horribly so they were very bitter and took any opportunity to show it. MOSCOW - By the end of June 1991, coal miners were fast becoming the heroes of the Soviet Union. They had always suffered. Mining was so dangerous throughout the empire that the casualty rate was 24 times higher than in the United States. Their industry was emblematic of all that was wrong with the Soviet system. Not only was the well-being of workers largely ignored, coal mining was staggeringly inefficient, so wasteful that it cost more to produce a ton of coal than it was worth. Two years earlier, the miners had begun to rebel. In July 1989, miners in the coal-rich Kuzbass region of Siberia could no longer endure the misery, the low pay, the stores with nothing to buy - shelves so bare that they had trouble finding soap to wash off the grime when they emerged from their deep, dirty tunnels. That month they went on strike, encouraging miners from across Russia and into Ukraine to stand up together and demand reforms of their industry, their government, their country. By 1991, the miners had become a movement, and that spring, they organized a two-month strike in the Kuzbass, with 300,000 miners closing down a third of Soviet coal mines at one point. That forced Mikhail Gorbachev, under heavy pressure from conservatives in the Soviet leadership to retreat from the path of reforms, to stay the course. Russia’s leader, Boris Yeltsin, allied himself with the miners and credited them for forcing Gorbachev to agree on negotiating a new union treaty among the 15 republics of the Soviet Union, one that would replace the enforced union of 1922 with a voluntary agreement. Power would be vested in the republics - Russia, Ukraine and the others - rather than in the Soviet government. “The miners have turned out to be the initiators of the destruction of the old command-administrative system,” Yeltsin said that May, “and creators of a new system of economic management.” June 30, 1991, brought yet another reminder of their cause and condition: A fire roared through a mine in the Donetsk region of Ukraine, killing 31 miners. Gorbachev sent a telegram: “I express deep regrets over the tragedy at the mine. I share the grief of the families and relatives of the minters who were killed.” Telegrams were no longer enough. The miners stayed behind Yeltsin, giving him the strength, he would later say, to stand up to the hard-liners, to rally Russians behind him, to free Russia and bring about the demise of the Soviet Union. Today, little is heard from the miners. When he became President in 2000, Vladimir V. Putin slowly but powerfully quelled outspoken voices. Huge crowds of demonstrators, lengthy strikes, are almost unimaginable. And even when voices are raised, few hear them: Tightly controlled television does not dwell on the plight of unhappy workers.
Gorbachev was already the leader of USSR at that time. The secretary-general of the communist party was the President of USSR.
Yeahhh, I'm pretty sure they're just gonna continue to get that wrong for the rest of the show tbh. No idea how, since even without the proper history, every single scene with Gorbachev makes it clear through context that he is very much a highly important political leader but... oh well.
@@Wolf6119 They didn't recognise the title, I assume. Secretary doesn't sound like an important job compared to President or Prime Minister.
I've seen a few people not understand that Gorbachev was already the leader of the USSR. The reason I'm assuming is the title Secretary General which is the title Stalin held while Lenin was still the leader but after Stalin came to power he kept the more humble sounding title to seem like a man of the people and the leaders that followed just kept it.
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It's very frustrating to me that they are not getting that lol.
She was holding her husbands dress/smart shoes, she’d brought them to give him a proper burial, but his body had become so bloated they couldn’t get them on his feet, hence her clutching them as the concrete poured.
Some important data:
1. The Soviet Union is, as the name says, a Union of republics known as Soviet Republics
2. Each Soviet Republican had a head of state, but all republics were under the control of the Communist Party
3. Mikhail Gorbachev was the secretary of the Communist Party, and therefore, he was the Leader of the entire Soviet Union
4. The whole incident took place in Soviet Ukraine (One of the many Soviet republics that made up the USSR), not in Soviet Russia (Another Soviet Republic)
The firefighters weren't so much a risk to others once they were cleaned after exposure, the main reason not to touch or get close was because their immune system was virtually gone. So the tiniest exposure to pathogens from "healthy" people could be life threatening, of course they were doomed to die by then anyway.
Not sure if either of you know of The Chernobyl Podcast? It's an official podcast of the show where the host speaks with the creator/writer/producer of the show and talks in depth about the events within each episodes. It's great to listen to after finishing this series.
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18:05 - Note that the event is * still ongoing * and the recent f*ckery by the russians near the powerplant raised concerns about the safety of the containment .. again. It only needs one dumbass to go in there and do something incredibly stupid and ignorant to cause a significant, world-changing catastrophe. Most of the russians that went in there in these past few weeks, didn't even know about the accident - they literally dug trenches in the Red Forest, which is one of the most contaminated areas near the power plant. Not even kidding.
Ok I feel the need to correct this. Every single Russian child learns about this incident in school, multiple times in different subjects and it's also thought in the military academy soo there is no Russian soldier that doesn't know the dangers of Chernobyl. Second off those " trenches" that they dug weren't combat trenches, most from the images are flood control trenches in order to keep the acces roads safe for armored vehicles. You can see they are all close to roads and mostly follow drainage ways. Third off you have to understand that radiation from Chernobyl in soil was mostly in the topsoil witch was buried beneath other soil. In the show it said they buried it beneath itself but in fact it was removed and buried in certain dump sites dug in the soil therefore most of it is safe to dig.
@@thesmxasmn5628 I didn't mean the soldiers on the show (or back in the 80's), I meant that the soldiers that went in there in 2022. They made some really critical mistakes in the area, completely ignoring the radiation warnings. And yes, they actually went to the dump sites in 'the red forest' and went ham on the soil. The dangers of Chernobyl are probably taught in the military school in russia, but these guys had never heard of the incident (when interviewed).
Every single one of those miners are some of the bravest and toughest men in human history. They were working in 50 degree heat (which is 122 DEGREES Fahrenheit), damn near suffocating, they didn’t know for certain if their work would save lives or be all for nothing but they still kept going. They’re goddamn heroes.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
And truly is disgusting how after 36 years Russia has not changed in the slightest. They still put protecting the image of their seemingly unyielding strength over the lives of their own people. They are a government lead by cowardly, brutish psychopaths.
Also as of this video being posted the Russians have now abandoned their foothold in Chernobyl, because nearly all their men got radiation sickness from digging trenches which exposed them to the radioactive earth that was buried during the cleanup efforts. They will never learn.
Wht do you know about Russia? Why are you forcing your so called superior West model on others?
Why west always thinks that they are superior to everyone, ignoring the fact that they are the one who cause all the pain in the world, starting from 2 world wars, to disrespecting nations terriotorial integrity. How you are going to convince the world about the things countries like USA have done to Serbia, entire south american continent, to Iran, to Iraq. Who are they to put sanctions on ppl. So called hypocrites, why they think that everyone should bow down to them. Why are they forcing India to stop trade relations with China and Russia. Wht they did with Pakistan, by overthrowing their government and cunningly bribing the military? Why are they poking their nose everywhere.?What is happening in Yemen right now, who is assisting the separatist movements with finance? Why they don't believe in Sovereignty of nations?Why they think that they have ideal form of democracy? Wht they did to India post independence they literally forced them to devaluate their currency and asked them to stop trading with USSR. And then sold mere food articles at high prices. How they declined India's request for help in 1971 war. What they did to Vietnam? And, what about Afghanistan, they went there to remove Taliban (brainchild of USA), and then replaced democratically elected government with Talban. Rofl
Putting sanctions on Iran, just beacause they are improving their nuclear power, when west itself posses more nuclear weapons. They talk about humanitarian grounds, when they themselves are the reason behind destruction of cultures, civilisation and countries. How they treat African continent, as they are nothing more than a resource rich country.🙄
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@@akankshapravin1418 I’m not saying we are perfect, but at least in our country we don’t have to actively fear for our lives if we in the slightest way even bruise the ego of the Russian government. Most of the Russian people themselves are sick of the way their government acts now. Look at how protesters are being beaten and black bagged in the streets just for saying they aren’t in favor of killing innocent Ukrainians. Hell Russia just enacted laws that forbid even even talking about the war in a negative way. With a sentence of up to TEN YEARS if violates. Everyone should be allowed to criticize or even insult their leaders without fear of death. Take George W. Bush, I hated when he was president because he was an absolute idiot, but the 1 thing I respect about him is that he took insults from late night and stand up comedians for 8 years and took those insults like a man. He would even laugh along with them sometimes. Can you really look me in the eye and say the same thing about Putin?
When it comes to the last part, don't believe everything you are told. There is zero proof for that. Just random claims in a world of fake news & propaganda
The people in the bar in the last episode asking if it was okay were KGB. They were checking to see what he would say. If he could be trusted.
16:14 that's Barry Keoghan, yeah he was in Green Knight. Also, you've probably seen him in Dunkirk and Eternals (Druig), and he was the Joker in The Batman deleted scene
@Gerald H Yeah I mentioned he was Druig in The Eternals
20:21 yeah the woman scientist character was actually 12-20 people from the college who actually discovered that there could be an even bigger explosion.
"This show's not messing around" But wait, there's more!
The dramatization of Lyudmila and Vasily Ignotenko were taken from Lyudmila's interviews. Along with the other of the Pripyat residents affected from the event, their testimonies collected and written in the Voices from Chernobyl book. The show takes some of the material from the book. I viewed an interview with Lyudmila who was displeased with how the show characterized her as being naive and neglectful.
Jaby, you REALLY need to brush up on soviet union era politics. They're treating the Minister of Coal like shit because he was a lackey - addressing actual coal workers in a suit that cost more than they likely made in half a year....he was a yes man, unworthy of any position of power. He deserved it, at the very least. I would've said, and done, much harsher to him
In the show, yes. In reality, after what I've read this almost couldn't be further from the truth.
@@stearinlys I believe that to be correct - I'm just pointing to it as the writers/directors way of showing how soviet Russia was actually ranback then - by yes men
Well, one of the reactor is too naive and a yes man too. Imagine his word of just following orders.
I suspect that quite a bit of what we currently know about dealing with radiation came from the Chernobyl incident. But it's a tough way to learn.
This is one of those shows that I LOOVE, but will never watch again. It took a toll on me. Even watching the snippets with u guys is hard.
reminds me of Schindler's List
Exactly.
Guys, Gorbachev was ALREADY the leader of the USSR.
It seems like they recorded the videos all at the same time, so their commentary does not include anything that we have been posting in the comments. ✌✌
@@iKvetch558 Ah, yeah. That makes sense.
Somebody already mentioned Barry Keoghan being in this, but the head miner guy? That's Alex Ferns, the actor who played Commissioner Pete Savage in The Batman. Totally blew my mind when I found out, he was unrecognizable to me from this role.
Whoa that's him?? He stole this whole episode.
Can't wait for the reaction to the final episode. Its one of the best single episode in Television history imo.
I've read that the nurses had to described the sympthoms that the victims had. That's how we know the real danger now of the contamination
Soldriers who dug up tranches in Chernobyl in the couple of last days were sent away for radiation poisoning.
I was in 8th grade when I was taught about nuclear fission and fusion basic,radioactive material and all that stuff and I remember asking my dad when I was young that why don't we use nuclear energy and stop using non renewable fuels. And just smiled at me and said "because we think that we know too much than we actually do". And it took me half a decade to get what it meant. And it's very scary.
29:24 I don't she was having an ah-ha moment. She was emotionally crushed that the husband she loved not only died, but died in the worst way. That would fuck with any loving spouse. -- She just like most people were ignorant about the radiation, but she was kind woman and as you mentioned, loved makes even the smartest people do the stupidest things. I will never make sense to those without empathy, or those that haven't been in their shoes.
The thing about those suits is that they are only best at reducing the risk involved on outright eliminating it, that is to say that the suits would have been equally meaningless in that situation.
your jackie chan t shirt was my exact reaction when i saw the women hugging the firefighter at the beginning bro
That was my reaction to all Dyatlov's shit at the end.
I’ve seen a lot of reaction videos on this series and that’s everyone’s face every time she touched her husband
The lady defies all the protocols not because she doesn't understand the gravity of the situation, but because she doesn't care when it comes to her husband. She's more like... What'd I do living without him anyway? If he's going, I go too. (You're right, love makes you do stupid things.😕)
I think.🙇🏻♀️
Yep! you're right..
Especially when someone you loves has to go through such a horrific, painful death. Alone. How could you live with yourself if you weren't there for them?
It’s my understanding that the Minister of Coal was actually a former miner highly respected by his men not some career Party politician. Coal was so important to the Soviet Union at that time that miners were accorded certain “courtesies” telling a soldier to “shut the fuck up!” was viewed as just miners being miners.
this episode is fucking art the sound design the sets the cosrume design and make up amazing
This is a show that makes you feel and you dont get alot of that anymore
16:13 the actor who was in Eternals and Green Knight is literally play the new Joker in The Batman.
They know that... Probably recorded this reaction before the release of The Batman
I work in security in Texas, like ADT. So I have to go up into attics all the time. In Texas during the summer, attics easily hit 122 degrees. It sucks. And I don't have the option of going up there naked. Not that I would, man that would suck even worse. There have been times that I questioned whether I would be able to get out, because I was close to passing out. And I've been doing that work almost 2 decades.
It's about 35 years ago. I was 11 years old and in like 5th grade. I remember the fear and it was half a world away from me.
Jaby: this show is not messing around...
Episode 4: hold my dead *****
What is ironic to me, relating to today's world, is that the occupying Russian forces in Ukraine DROVE through the "red forest" when they occupied the Chernobyl nuclear power plant three weeks ago, where radiation is still extremely high even after almost 40 years. They kicked up the deadly dust and inhaled all that dust. Now, it seems they suddenly pulled out a few days ago, because the soldiers were already showing signs of extreme radiation sickness. No one told them (not that I feel particularly sorry for them, considering the atrocities they are committing all throughout Ukraine). But still....even all these years later, most Russians still have NO idea what happened there.
They were also apparently trench digging in the Red Forest, reexposing all the radiation buried under the top soil. Absolutely insane behavior
How did they not know about the incident???? They weren't taught in school??
@@aditisk99 They will not acknowledge that as part of their history because they can't admit that they made a nuclear disaster. That's how communist works.
@@aditisk99 ik this is a old comment but most of the soilders are from poor regions of russia like urals, north cacasus and the far east, most of the soilders have joined the miltary for a quick way to make money to send to there homes, its most likely these soilders know very little of the severity of chernobly
I kind of feel bad for them, the only one I wouldn’t feel bad for if they got radiation sickness is Putin himself
This episode kicked a bruce lee style double kick in my gut! Even watching this reaction got me in tears.....
The most horrific incident by human in human history . This documentary just gives a civilised version of the fear , dismay , loss horror of the people ... the official podcast and vote notes of survivors is seriously heart wrenching. Also like this is a podcast of Japan after usa atomic bomb drop where people literally saw hell dropped from above
9:41 this scene here did it for me. Had to take a break for 5 minutes before I continued the series.
I can’t click these reactions fast enough. Great show. Great reactions. 👍🏻👍🏻
I'm surprised jaby got away with showing some of the ding dongs during mining scene hahaha
This is such a gem of a show. Can't wait for the last 3 reactions.
Only 2 more episodes remaining.
I had to look through my finger gaps during the hospital scenes.
Those poor people turned into zombies.
Real victims suffered much worse
The show downplayed their condition bcoz it would've been too much for the audience
They shot a scene where a plant worker's entire face literally fell off his bones (based on a real account), but decided not to put that scene in the show as it was too horrifying
Their skin fell off like wet paper from a slippery surface, blood oozing out from all over the body, big black patches on skin due to cell death, intestines peeping out the body as if vines growing on tree branches
I heard one person literally vomited out his organs
You might recognise the head miner from The Batman. He played the Police Commissioner
People who have radiation sickness are not necessarily contaminated, for example the fire fighters in hospital are clean. It was a common thing for the children who were relocated to be avoided at school and made to stay away from others because it was wrongly believed that they were contaminated.
As jaby earlier said no one knew what nuclear causes how much it causes. No one had the proper information and equipments at that time (even this time) to contain all this. Kudos to USSR scientists and the working teams who solved this catastrophe.
HBO should make a series on Bhopal Gas Tragedy (but i think they won't because it was American company)
You can't spread radiation from touch once their cloths were removed and given baths they are no longer contaminated, but yes full of radiation that radiation will not leave no matter what
I suggest you watch ‘Chernobyl Doctor Fact Checks the HBO Series’ by Vanity Fair after you’re done with the show. It might surprise you, though I would save it for after you’ve completed the series. It’s really interesting and it could be fun as a reaction or just something to watch on your own.
The deputy director of the KGB, that is the world Putin worked in before the fall of the Soviet Union. That's the mindset he was brought up in.
I was born in a year when this plant exploded and my parents were very afraid of a consequences, afterwards eery time I did something wronng as a child they just told to themselves that I was one of a charnobyl children, like it was an explanation of every wrongdoing my generation did, bad grades? Child of a Chernobyl, bad bechavior? Chid of a chernobyl and so on, its funny now.
2 of the 3 men they sent down into that water are still alive today.
Oleksiy Ananenko and Valery Bezpalov are still alive!
Thank you brothers!
The third died of a heart attack in 2005
God may you grant rest to Boris Baranov.
The title General Secretary was the presidential level of the Soviet communist party. Gorbachev was in power at that time.
People in the Soviet Union were not well informed about the effects of radiation or fallout. For example, propoganda had spread the impression that vodka would combat the effets of radiation, so it was no surprise that the KGB agents were drinking vodka at the bar. It may have been an easter egg to that fact.
Murican edumications
awesome work.
I was alive and I will tell you it scared me to death.
This show is definitely not asking you if your alright.
You’re right, Alex Fern is a Scottish actor. It might’ve made more sense to have the miners be Welsh, but you’re theory is interesting, as the English have historically looked down on the Scottish as lower class or what have you.
dont make me wait long for the last two plzz
She knows the gravity of the situation but She's madly in love with her husband, so much so that she'll willingly consume poison for him, & these were great character moments of the show, not only presenting the horror of the incident but the human side of people affected by it.
And in real life, she pretty much acted as a nurse for him and his colleagues, she did a lot more than shown here.
And at the end she survived because her first baby absorbed the radiation.
@@aditisk99 does nuclear radiation works that way ? Or was this told in the series.. I can't recall 🤔
@@vivek06media That's what was told in the series. I think it's true.
Gorbachev was the leader of the USSR at the time of the chernobyl. He blamed the Chernobyl disaster for the downfall of the USSR
you also forgot biggest disaster of FUKUSHIMA DAICHI, which was more recent in our times.
it was not that big. and note if a simple relocation of the backup generators there would be no issues
Gorbachev was already the leader of USSR at that time. The secretary-general of the communist party was the President of USSR. (2)
"This is like COVID" 😂 Yes, but not in the obvious way.
Just to add the context - the coal miners shown are from Tula, and the affected water basin (from Kiev to Black Sea) would be in Ukraine. So, these men didn't exactly sacrifice themselves for the love od their home.
Syntell says: ""...Mikhail Gorbachev is the General Secretary so this was the time that he was not yet the leader..
Answer: General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was the de facto highest ranking office of the Union...Gorbachev is already the leader of USSR
Interesting Fact: The lady science isn’t real, she’s a made up character, she represents a group of scientist investigating the accident in Chernobyl.
That kinda bit ruins the show rather than being an interesting fact don't do that again please
More like interesting spoiler
@@driptoffen3604what are you talking about, that doesn't ruin the show and isn't a spoiler. Knowing that has no impact on the rest of the series.
@@driptoffen3604What? It's such an excellent decision. Instead of swamping the show with a huge number of scientists they told their story through one so we can really focus on Legasov and Boris. It's just good writing. You wanted all the scientists to have separate parts???
@@brandonreed09that's literally said by the end of the show so it is a spoiler
It was a flaw in the design of the core they government knew of the flaw the reason why they used the design cause it was cheaper
I know it's hard to watch, I'm glad you're both doing it though. It's one of the best series I've ever seen.
The only hard thing to watch is the guy on the left continually saying that Gorbachev is not the leader yet WHEN HE ACTUALLY *WAS* THE LEADER AT THAT POINT.
FYI. Trump was the only president in my lifetime who didn't involve America in another war. Moreover, damn near everything he was warning Europe about in regards to Russia and energy has come to pass.
AKA Trump was right
....He literally caused an angry mob to storm their own capital...no president has ever done that either...so congrats.
15:05 jokes aside, he was definitely terrified for him. He tried stopping Legasov twice from pushing forth with this conversation, because one misstep could most definitely cost him his life.
Although still radioactive but those concrete burried coffins will be the best preserved human body forever in any time history, even better than the Egyptian mummies for thousands of years!
As much as I felt the same about the curly haired lady, I get why she was like that. I mean, yes, she's living in a country with limited information and inundated by propaganda, but aren't we all? No, I think she simply believed there was no hope for her anyway while watching her man melt before her eyes, her days must be numbered. So is she not going to try and be as close to him for as long as they possibly still have together?
The head Miner is the commissioner from the Batman!
two things -
1. Gorbachev was already the leader of Russia. Secretary-General at that time is similar to President now.
2. In reality, it was not on two people to figure stuff out. The makers of the show clarified that there was a large team but showing hundreds of people in the show would make the show chaotic. So these two characters were created to incorporate what the whole team did..!!!
This is scariest show/movie/documentary I have ever watched.
No, noone gets radiated by being near a person affected with radiation. ARS(acute radiation syndrome)is not communicable.
It was a misconception back then ... Hence shown in the series
@@pushpmadaan i was talking about what syntell was saying about it.
@@TusharSharma-gc4vs 👍👍
16:02 - It's not a evacuation! It's actually a conscription into the army
@GETJaby, the reason hitting the AZ-5 (aka the "SCRAM" button in the USA) button caused Chernobyl Reactor 4's explosion is simple. In a nuclear reactor there are control rods that absorb neutrons created during nuclear fission. They act as a gas pedal (so to speak) on this "engine". The control rods on Reactor #4 were tipped with graphite (similar to pencil lead). When those rods were initially inserted into the core channel, the graphite caused a surge of power instead of a drop in power. This surge in power can cause the reactor to spike to levels it isn't designed to tolerate. Under normal conditions, you would insert one-control-rod-at-a-time, to avoid power spikes; especially when changing spent rods for new ones.
The power spike when inserting control rods is part of what they call the "Positive Void Coefficient" (PVC) flaw in RBMK reactors like Chernobyl.
I can't help but notice that one of the reactor is a Yes man. It's just an observation from his statement about just following orders and guessing that the nuclear accident is a foul play.
Note to @Jaby and @Syntell :- watch - 'Manhattan' /project manhattan tv series after this.....
wales in the uk had radio active sheep from this
Bro that was a Ready Mix Concrete Truck (Transit Mixer), not Cement truck.
I repeat, cement and concrete both are different.
He said semen truck 😂
@@mazi2646 lol, when I first heard about semen, I thought the correct spelling is cement. lmao.
There are a few things wrong with the historical account of this show but the level of threat and heroic individuals is very real. Even some misstatements of how radiation effects the body are wrong. In the end it is an oversimplification of the disaster but generally speaking it is correct. Gorbachev was premier at the time so he was in charge of the USSR. In his writings he did say he believes that this event was the straw that broke the USSR. The end will explain some things but the best thing is to listen to the podcast that ran with this show to hear what they did for dramatic license and what they could do for filming.
combination of lack of trust and the shear economics of what was needed doomed the union. and the union was already havign economic issues
Dawn it Jaby, it's 1 am in Perth, Australia and I'm trying to go sleep man aiya! 😜
ya’ll gonna watch When They See Us after this?
In this episode, they played up the interaction with the miners and the Coal Minister...and the miners did not work in the nude. This is covered in the History vs Hollywood article about the show, which I mentioned in a comment to the last video. The saddest part of the miners story is that their work turned out to be in vain...the meltdown stopped before the heat exchanger the miners worked to install ever had any effect. 😢💯✌
Yeah, end result was just dumping a whole load of concrete to reinforce the structure underneath.
Just think humans will have to manage the Chernobyl exclusion zone for 25000 years before this tragedy is over
That is, if humans still exist 25,000 years from now. We might annihilate ourselves to extinction long before that happens.
Woah, jaby compared Russia to North Korea.
30:00 i have covid atm, woke up a few days ago with a severe headache, then felt light headed, fell sleep, woke up next day and no taste at all - this morning ( 14 July 2022) i even took a shot of vodka, let it sit in my mouth for a few seconds, used it as a "mouth-wash" so to speak, and swallowed it - no reaction, taste or even cough from any of it
Make a note guys this is what happens when you are exposed to radiation not becoming mutants with superpowers
3:25 how many times do we have to tell you Gorbachev has been the leader of the Soviet Union since 1985 he has been general secretary of the Soviets communist party. try reading the comments
They already finished their reaction to the (whole) show, so reading comments now won't help.
I had to google it it’s 122 degrees Fahrenheit. That is really 🥵
Just to let you know… Acute Radioactive Syndrome is even worse than what’s been showcased here. Let that sink in.
She's not real jaby she represents all the scientist in there
Tom Holland did devil all the time then cherry then Spiderman no way home then he did uncharted movie I like it
The dude on the left just misses stuff 😂 Gorbachev IS the leader of the USSR, and it’s not the equivalent of Hiroshima bombs, but x-rays
"I did everything right..."
Jaby u wanna know an interesting fact if me and my anti matter mix and our mass becomes 0 and if put all the values correctly in E=MC^2 ..then energy re,leased will be approx 10000 times more than Hiroshima atom bomb .... Massive right
Matter and antimatter annihilate and release gamma rays
@@saifmehdi178 yazzzz 😀
lead suits are worthless in this scenario.I had to wear a lead suit for xrays in hospitals so that i can reduce radiation from xrays but please lead suits do nothing here.Besides it weighs like a lot and wearing that for a long time,your back is gonna crack.
April of 2026 it will be forty years ago.
Benedict Cumberbatch did the mauritanian the courier power of dog Spiderman no way home then doctor strange multiverse of madness Zendaya did good movie like Malcolm and Marie then dune then Spiderman no way home
Imagine a few hundred years or a thousand years in the future. Will some archaeologists dig up a huge slab of concrete to find metal coffins and inside radioactive human remains. Will they even know what happened hundreds of years ago. Will the USSR be an empire barely remembered by history?
You should checkout video by creator "vertasium", he explains Chernobyl brilliantly and also tells the current situation.
6:01 look at the many strike's miners did in the USSR their leaders were amongst the most corrupt! there pays would "go missing" and be delayed all the time. in soviet Russia bottom workers like these had no workers union and were basically dogs, some of the hardest working men in the USSR. this is why they had a horrible attitude it directly reflected there horrible living conditions. also, Russian revolution was called the "workers revolution" but workers were still treated horribly so they were very bitter and took any opportunity to show it.
MOSCOW - By the end of June 1991, coal miners were fast becoming the heroes of the Soviet Union. They had always suffered. Mining was so dangerous throughout the empire that the casualty rate was 24 times higher than in the United States.
Their industry was emblematic of all that was wrong with the Soviet system. Not only was the well-being of workers largely ignored, coal mining was staggeringly inefficient, so wasteful that it cost more to produce a ton of coal than it was worth.
Two years earlier, the miners had begun to rebel. In July 1989, miners in the coal-rich Kuzbass region of Siberia could no longer endure the misery, the low pay, the stores with nothing to buy - shelves so bare that they had trouble finding soap to wash off the grime when they emerged from their deep, dirty tunnels. That month they went on strike, encouraging miners from across Russia and into Ukraine to stand up together and demand reforms of their industry, their government, their country.
By 1991, the miners had become a movement, and that spring, they organized a two-month strike in the Kuzbass, with 300,000 miners closing down a third of Soviet coal mines at one point. That forced Mikhail Gorbachev, under heavy pressure from conservatives in the Soviet leadership to retreat from the path of reforms, to stay the course.
Russia’s leader, Boris Yeltsin, allied himself with the miners and credited them for forcing Gorbachev to agree on negotiating a new union treaty among the 15 republics of the Soviet Union, one that would replace the enforced union of 1922 with a voluntary agreement. Power would be vested in the republics - Russia, Ukraine and the others - rather than in the Soviet government.
“The miners have turned out to be the initiators of the destruction of the old command-administrative system,” Yeltsin said that May, “and creators of a new system of economic management.”
June 30, 1991, brought yet another reminder of their cause and condition: A fire roared through a mine in the Donetsk region of Ukraine, killing 31 miners. Gorbachev sent a telegram: “I express deep regrets over the tragedy at the mine. I share the grief of the families and relatives of the minters who were killed.”
Telegrams were no longer enough. The miners stayed behind Yeltsin, giving him the strength, he would later say, to stand up to the hard-liners, to rally Russians behind him, to free Russia and bring about the demise of the Soviet Union.
Today, little is heard from the miners. When he became President in 2000, Vladimir V. Putin slowly but powerfully quelled outspoken voices. Huge crowds of demonstrators, lengthy strikes, are almost unimaginable. And even when voices are raised, few hear them: Tightly controlled television does not dwell on the plight of unhappy workers.
The women knew what was happening to her husband she just wanted to spend time with him
Finally !!!!