Shanghai in 1973, part 1 上海40年前
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มี.ค. 2012
- This is what Shanghai looked like in 1973. I wonder how much has changed since.
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I visited Shanghai several times 2008-2011 but this looks like a different planet.
you are lucky and wise, some westerns still thinking China as in the documentary. At least in Europe, that happens.
@@BILLCC1988 I was very impressed by Shanghai and chinese technology and cities. The people were also very nice and courteous. I had heard so many negative things about China before going myself. I went in 2018 and cannot wait to return.
Yep
Same with almost all cities in the world. All change with time
@@rosofficesolutionsinc1572 It depend. For example London and NYC have changed also but in no way as much as Shanghai has. If you look at old movies from postwar (eg sixties) London, NYC, Shanghai and compare those to current videos the different becomes apparent. It's also visible in the numbers China in a few decades (so also Shanghai) has used more concrete and steel in building infrastructure than the USA in the entirety of its existence.
I lived in Shanghai for 10 years and I recognise many of the places in the film, though its now dominated by hi rises and skyscrapers. I notice that Pudong, where I lived until 2014, was just fields in 1973. The one thing that hasn't changed is the Chinese people - I recognise in the video exactly the same street life today as 45 years ago. And many people still live in the lane houses that survive as run down districts among the overpasses and new apartment buildings.
We look today at North Korea in exactly the same way as we in the West viewed China in the 1970s. Fascinating.
Didnt expect to see you here
woah what are you doing here, it's a surprise
@@2prize yeah me too, i didn't even know he lived in shanghai for 10 years
Cities change so fast, sometimes it's amazing to see pictures from just a couple years ago
And now Americans/white people are scared that China is going to overtake America/Europe as the next superpower.
I was born in 1973. Shanghai didn't change much until the end of 1980's so I got to see what the footage shows. So nostalgic.
Es ist sehr gut wenn wir auf unsere Heimat sehen können . ALLE
Hello old man😁
I thought in 1973 was cultural revolution and everyone had dark blue / denim Mao suits.
我就是上海的，我1974年出生，看了这个片子让我仿佛又回到了那个时候，非常感谢
1978上海人来了，阿姐好啊
朴素.简单.纯真的上海人的生活.周日群众革命干部都集体参加大扫除队伍!
这是非常珍贵的资料 谢谢你
@FT9910 No it was 1973 but I made a mistake in the title. It should be Shanghai forty years ago. A simple case of arithmetic!
I wonder what that reporter would say if he visit in Shanghai today.
He has been making documentaries up till 2012 on US and international subjects. I’m confident he has visited Shanghai since this documentary. Would be great if he would make a video about it.
" I wonder what that reporter would say if he visit in Detroit, Chicago, South-central LA, Skid Row LA today"
@@lynkung4018 Detroit is in a whole new level LMAO
Shanghai, the City of Thick Smog
@@lynkung4018
Detroit, The Jungle of Gunshots
Chicago, the Kingdom of Crime Gangs
Los Angeles, the Land of the Homeless
Thank you so much to share this precious video with us.
My wife is from Shanghai and I first in 1990. At that time some of it still looked much as seen in the video. I've lived here for about 6 and a half years now and the city is almost completely changed, though I can still see some of those famous old buildings on the Bund (Waitan) across the river outside my window. Very well done. Thank you!
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Thanks for the upload... this is an important peace of historical documentation!
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What a strangely functional and straightforward society and life in urban Shanghai just 2 generations ago. My mother was born in the Shanghai of the 70's and recalled life being similar to this video. This is not to say that the Shanghai of today is not magnificent, with it's insanely clean and functional metro system, cosmopolitan lifestyle and fabulous architecture; though I can't help but feel that the rift of inequality has been exponentially getting worse. Boarded up grimy slums next to anonymous skyscrapers, rusty bicycles cycling near expensive foreign cars.
Man I miss China and the crowds. Life is much more stressful, complicated and inhumane back home in LA County
"Pollution is not yet a major problem. They can't ignore it" 哈哈哈哈
and meanwhile I am watching this documentary on a day in which Nanjing is polluted at its worst. Might be why I'm inside watching this video right now.
中共ptsd又要发作了，你爸爸都污染几百年了，才有现在的发达。
@@mtoc1055 人口多的地方，就算是烧草也污染严重。井底之蛙最好看看现在世界上污染最严重的十个城市有哪个是工业城市，几乎没有。即是说，没有工业都污染严重，更不用说有工业了。你以为一般国家都像发达国那样有钱治理污染。发达国家是经过工业污染时代，跳不过去。
Mtoc10 你太敏感了
Infoworld 而你误伤友军
Shanghai is now the most developed city in China and among the top cities in the world. Damn…
Irv Drasnin's career in documentary filmmaking and broadcast journalism includes 35 years at CBS News and PBS, covering a wide range of topics both foreign and domestic, contemporary and historical.
Among his 31 films are The Guns of Autumn, Apartheid, Who Has a Right to Rhodesia, Inside the Union, The Radio Priest, Forever Baseball and a chronicle of modern China beginning with Misunderstanding China (1972), Shanghai (1974), Looking for Mao (1983), China After Tiananmen (1992) and The Revolutionary (2011).
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I'm living in Shanghai rn watching this video. when i look out the window it's a different world probably the most futuristic city you can find on planet earth its wild the changes are crazy
Amazing to watch it in 2018. We are living in Shanghai from 2014 and I started also Vlog about this city. But this video documentary is showing the old beautiful Shanghai
跟1940年代很多类似的地方，老旧帆船和外滩那几棟老建筑都在。不同在于1973年的大家都穿同几种衣服了。
Mr. Michael Rogge,
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Can't wait for part two. It looks like well balanced documentary, which reflects improvements in CN-USA relationships. It is fascinating how China didn't change and how much China is changed since then.
I love the part with traffic jam.
really interesting to see this.. wow how things have changed in shanghai.. thanks for uploading
Part 2 has already been uploaded, as well as many other clips of old china. Serach TH-cam with michael+rogge+china
I’m fucking stoned and this is so interesting
You can simply enjoy the film with the sound off. The shots of working junk rigged ships is quite rare and instructive. Thanks, Michael.
Great doco.
Thanks for the upload.
It's no wonder that the crowds at the beginning were staring at the foreigners making a movie - from Shanghai being a foreign-controlled city up to 1949, to virtually all foreigners disappearing for decades, it was extremely unusual to see any non-Chinese in the early '70s. I had friends who visited in 1981 and they too were surrounded by large groups of curious people even then.
"Pollution is not a big problem... almost half a century after this..."
Shanghai have changed a lot in 4 decades
4 decades.. If mao dead just 10 years early..
I think the WORLD changed so much in 40years, even “safe countries” who never had revolutions in theat time, or civil wars, or been bombed.
Shanghai is other now.
@@user-kb5wc4cc9j If democracy works, why hasn’t India changed in 40 years?
@@ericlai1659 i didnt say democracy is good system
very nice footage and the voice over is particularly good.
80s voice
From this to what it is now in less than 50 years, just an incredible economic achievement. Visited Shanghai a few years back and was completely mind blown!
India still looks filthy. We as Indian are not doing nothing other than moving out this country.
@@aek12 Tbh, overall, 1973 China looks much better than 2023 India.
thanks to share this video with us..as a shanghaiese I don't know what was looking like 40 years ago
I am not Chinese but my mother is Chinese and she was born in 1973. It's amazing that the video is the year my mother was born.
My father lived well when he was young, so he bought a TV early. But I heard that the Chinese mother first bought a TV in the late 80s, and I was surprised to hear that.
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I live in shanghai now and it's so different!!! It's even more expensive than other countries!!! The house cost you more 70000 dollars per square meter!!!
That's true
you weirdo
go to shanghai
乱七八糟说话
it more makes sense 70000 RMB per square meter
I hope there are more videos of China pre-1980’s Reform and Opening Up. I have two daughters that are Chinese-Jewish Americans. So, although they were born in ChengDu, now live in the USA, and speak multiple languages, it is important to know about their homeland’s history and development. I also hope the USA-Israel-China relations grow, and can learn from history and now, to strengthen and enhance communication, community, and safety in a globalized world society.
Hi, do you know who is the copyright owner of this video? We'd like to use some clips in our videos.
The best documentary at that time
Fantastic video.
Very nice 👍👍
Best wishes from Germany 💪💪
Thanks for your video
thanks for sharing
Amazing images
actually I think shanghai experienced a dramatic change over the past 30 years .
Its incredibly amazing that the present-day Shanghai has beaten the world to be so advanced within a few decades. Thanks for the video.
How is there so much economic activity? Was everything state-owned?
My uncle showed my some photos of when he was there in 73 for the Navy so different
I already watched. Thanks.
Man, it's crazy how much China has changed.
Shanghai the best Asian City in 1920-30s
I think they've built a couple new buildings since then...
this is really cool :)
‘There are no private vehicles, and everyone commutes by bike’
This literally looks like a dream. I’d much rather prefer this to the car dominated cities we live in today. Let’s bring this back.
Hi Michael,
I am writing to you from a tv program in Spain.
For a report that we are doing we would like to include a fragment of this video of yours.
It would only be a few seconds.
We would be delighted to thank you for the program.
Thanks in advance
my first time to shanghai is in summer 1989,where was like the documentary video.
industrization change the world,and sitll change the Chineeee too!industrization are very useful for modern world, and they arent come from some thought and theory
Hello Michael, Your 1000 clips are all about China please?
I was born in Shanghai, and in that year, I would love to see a video of Shanghai from the time of my birth.
7:46 “a city where housing is crowded but cheap”. Talk to any Shanghai folks today and they will tell you housing is anything but cheap
not cheap if you realize that most Chinese earn less than $5 a mouth in that period of time. Housing can never be cheap.
很珍贵的史料！
The whole market has zero plastic usage. Everyone bring their basket. That's good.
我是阿拉伯人，我在上汉生活了三年，因为我在1980年是一名工程师，最初是来自也门的阿拉伯人،، 它的人民是好的中国，总的来说，我爱他们
7:24 Did anyone see that?
Yeah
China managed to build a huge high speed network in 15 years,but my country only managed to build a short 80 mile line from the capital to the eurotunnel
one of the very few benefits of giving the government total control, trade that for say a free conscious, which would you rather have?
It’s incredible how fast China has advanced and become wealthy. Decades ago, 100s of millions of people were living poverty. I don’t like communist supporting regimes but they deserve credit for changing their country so fast.
Communism brought them widespread poverty and famine. China is no longer a true communist country, they're recent prosperity in past decades is from opening up to trade and certain capitalist ideas. Communism is in no way responsible for the positive changes.
@@ttvmikimoto5475 china was never a communist country. china is a country tried every way to improve itself.
no, they don't deserve the credit. Communist China began shaking hands with the US in the early 70s. that's when the miracle slowly began to happen. in the 80s, Communist China exported lots of guns to the US civilian market. that's the fact that I know, and I am very sure about this fact. trades with the West really helped Communist China became more developed.
@@superfamicom5632 if you think so, you're very wrong. they tried and failed. that's why they resorted to "half-assed communism"
7:25
Guy almost pokes another guys eye out 😆
Pls compare with today too. Your video will give more accurate picture of another country.
the life was humble fantastic and nice in the past not like the one we live now
Build a time machine and go to the past. The future belongs to people with vision and goals.
10:00 The guy said the price of two fish is 1.32 yuan. The average monthly wage is 36 yuan. This is not an everyday luxury!
This is 60 years ago actually Around 1960s
It's surprising, but some of those scenes can still be seen in China today. Buggies or carts completely overloaded, people getting haircuts in the street by street barbers, people living in Hutongs (some are nice, others aren't, outside toilets to be shared by the community living in a Hutong (basically just holes in the ground with no toilet paper or soap or hot water and no separation, people crouch next to each other over the separated holes). People (especially migrant workers living in very small rooms with a bed, .mattress or bunk beds, sometimes the rooms are two or three levels below ground in a basement). Of course, there are the modern places, skyscrapers etc. for the fortunate, but a lot of people are still living in the old style. Having said all that, I lived in Beijing and I loved it there, but I felt sorry for the poor, for the migrant workers, who are exploited, barely get enough to live on, and are living in bad conditions. I speak about Beijing, but this can be found everywhere in China. I truly miss Beijing and my friends there, among them the poor and also migrant workers, as well as the more fortunate.
not really. You can't find those anywhere else other than Beijing, some lanes in Chongqing & GuangZhou where people flock from rural areas everyday even now. having said that many people living in these same cities now live the most futuristic life you can have on planet earth that makes your first world cities look very gloomy. right?
@@LaowaiDaveJCP Right. Beijing has the incredible mix of ancient and modern. I really miss Beijing.
I hate the Chinese government, but I doubt hutongs are still as bad as you say
上海当时的经济是被毛泽东搞臭的，但是在那种高压统治下治安的确是不错（文革高峰时期除外）
the economy of shanghai was ruined by Mao zedong, however, the crime rate was pretty low at that time (except some years during the culture revolution)
现在是2020年了。
waiting for part2, "fish was 40cents a pc.".....the non-farmed yellow croaker fish i had in a restaurant two months ago in shanghai was 1,200yuan, (USD180.-)
People were poor at that time, but we were happy. Now, too much materials and attractions, we lost pure&simple spirit.
@@noritos7648 exactly, but i still do not want to praise pure communist regime. Capitalism leads inequality among people, government needs to regulate and redistribute wealth. The wealth creation actually need capitalists. Anyway, Eastern Germany was much richer at that time, it was the richest communist country to my view.
as a Malaysian Chinese I am not aware of life in China during the 1970s. I just know of Chairman Mao who dominated a huge influence of the country policies, Surprising the Shanghainese already knew businesses and trading at those time
+Max K
We the Chinese do felt being treated unfairly in one way or another. Special priviledge were given to the so called Bumiputera. However thank to it, we are immune, self reliance and self dependent and do not rely on the present Government goodies, we are strong and taught our young generation to be strong mentally, independent and work hard if we want success . Today we are much better off than most of the Bumiputera and we come clean in term of hard earned money and we are proud of ourselves.
+Max K what made you have in mind of choosing to live in Malaysia? I am actually encouraging my offspring to migrate elsewhere where everyone is treat equally and the Government is fair and their Ministers are not racist. Though I was born in Sarawak, the Malaysian Eastern State across the South China Sea I do not speak fluent Bahasa Malaysia till today as during my childhood and toward my high school Bahasa Malaysia was not emphasized in our education. I was brought up in a missionary school where we have teachers from India and our Father a Dutch and even my English teacher was from Great Britian. Here in our state of sarawak, we live a rather peaceful lives where people of various ethic and races mingle well and respect one another .Those who have been to Sarawak shall feel the different in the quality of life in between the Peninsular Malaysia and Borneo States- Sarawak & Sabah.
(End) Shanghai market, old lady: 把哦称4角夯里肉，新喜额:) bought a piece of meat at 40 cents RMB, fish total “一角二”， 12 cents?
(Beginning)Breakfast for 1 person: 油條 4 cents each, onion crepe 3 cent, soy milk 4 cent.
Stop complaining about “China would not build a city like this”, it’s not a racist judgement!! They’re simply saying that if the Chinese were going to build a big city, they wouldn’t make it like that (with an English style)...
People get triggered over too many things
nice
Looks like northern England at the same time, especially at 5:55
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You may be right. It may be a clamorized picture.
"the weather is pretty good". You mean: never mind the smog!
MichaelRogge thanks. I was in Shanghai that time.
Interesting: during the Cultural Revolution marriage was at 25 years and 2 children.. From the 80s and the start of the “Great Experiment” marriage was 30 years and 1 child only.
No, that's not right. They didn't restrict the marriage age.( not 30, just above 22 you are allowed to get married)
Aside from the fact that the city skyline looks more like this today: The gap between the rich and poor is huge now. There's no more free healthcare. Vegetable market is entirely staffed by migrant workers who make barely enough to survive. Housing market is no longer affordable for the majority (price reflects that of Tokyo while average wage is less than half of Tokyo's). Traffic is even worse because of car ownership. Corruption, prostitution are the norm...
The rich have gotten richer and poor are at their worst in the past 50 years......by how things have turned out today, we can pretty much predict the future....I think one of the major issues in the future will be UNEMPLOYMENT, and by unemployment I mean good jobs for the college graduates. The lower middle class is the worst hit community today and things are about to become worse.
Interessante film. Ik luister maar niet teveel naar de begeleidende teksten. Gezien onderstaande ruzies over goed of slecht is er kennelijk veel dat monden opent en woorden losbreekt. Ik kijk liever naar de beelden, die indrukwekkend zijn!
looks like a cleaner version of present Mumbai.
7:45. Hahahaha. If only they could see the prices today
i believe this was 1983?
I wasn't even born at that time, but as I said in previous comment, it was a year after Nixon's visit.
Well...THEY CAUGHT UP!
I still see some of these faces on the street of Shanghai, they look like descendants of these people
Back in time people dressed more properly than today.
47年前
Wow !! Now some parts in Mumbai looks like this 😀😂
This is better than 80% of African countries today.(I am an African)
@@haryhary6633 Tell that to South Sudan and Egypt
一片祥和，街坊鄰居好不熱鬧
"we fought a war to open China up to the world"
*laughs*
Exactly...How condescending
😂😂 now china is dominating world trade
@@Harry2002-z9q Napoleon once said China is a sleeping giant
@@stoggafllik hi you remember me?
@@presidentjiang6762 No I don’t remember you. Could you stay away from me? I don’t want the coronavirus.
Greetings from China
Yes. The chinese would not have built a city this way. No doubt Shangwai has got western and chinese culture and style. It was highly influenced by western countries during 20s-40s, and so it was the best city in asia by that time. When the communists took place, the city development went backwards, but still, one of the better cities in China. You can imagine how other cities would be. Shanghai today is very different from 40 years ago(acutally 48 years ago), China has adopted more modern " socialism", more like a half capitalism, and that's how shanghai become shanghai nowadays.
7O年代的人看起來身體很健康
people everywhere in the 1970s look healthy.
红薯🍠.番茄🍅.乔麦面,长大的70年代的人.都很健康.
which way is better, I like the old way, 50 years old way, better integraty. you only see struggle on the street, but not too much at work, at home.