I'm at over 1000 attempts (almost 50 sessions) and am only now getting back to dock more often than not. I too am using a huge front wing which I will be downsizing when money allows. Great video.
@@willti123 Moses W1100. Actually it's custom made but it's based off the Moses dimensions. 1100mm wide. 240mm chord. I bought it 2nd hand off Gumtree. It's been good for the price but now I need to get the right fit for me.
@Miha Zidar Hey. You are so right about the W1100. Any misspump and I was straight in the water. And it did make switching to another wing super easy. Back in January I upgraded to the Sabfoil W1350L. I've recently posted an updated video. I'm at around the 2 minute mark now and have unlocked the standing start. No longer have to run. This has opened up so many more locations for dockstarting. th-cam.com/video/asCNSKpbUH8/w-d-xo.html
Really nice job putting all this together 👏 You went hard on it but I'd say your progression was rather fast considering you've learnt the hard way directly through dead start and on a dock looking not really easy.
Great video! I kite foil - I have about 500 hours foiling now, so it's "easy" for me now. When I get off the water I am frequently asked "is that difficult to learn?" I just say "yes". Most people have never actually tried to learn something "hard" - they have no conception. I'm going to refer them to your video so that they can understand! One thing: you don't show the time it takes to recover - get back to the dock ready to start again, which was obviously much more time than what can be seen in the video.
Really great compilation showing progression. Thanks for posting. I like your initial coasting runs to get a sense of how the foil behaves. Wondering if at any point you made contact with the foil, causing injury?
Thank you. I never made serious contact with the foil. But If you have bad board control in the begining, you sometimes fall dangerously close to the foil. Can be a little bit scary .
Whow - this is the most impressive and encouraging documentation for pumping learners, which I've ever seen! However, your first 20 attempts already look much better than mine after approximately 100. My burning question: Did you already have any basic foiling skills before starting these videos?
No i had no foiling skills at all before that. But it is true, i had alrdy a basic idea, how the pumping works, probably from many years of skateboarding in the past. Pumping on a foil and pumping on a skateboard pumptrack are quite similiar.
@@willti123 Okayyy - probably also roll & yaw control is similar to skateboarding, as well. So, I will calculate a factor of 10 for the number of tries that I need to do my first pumps 😬.Thanks!
@@mihazidar4856 Thanks a lot Miha, for your answer. Actually this summer, I managed to pump 10 (always) to 24 (my personal record) beats. Hope that I can improve this next year - until being worked out 🙃. 👋 Holger
Awesome video. I just finished my first session (~40 tries). Very helpful to watch this. It's also very interesting that you started, and continued to land front foot first. I'm doing a similar static start from a dock that is about 2.5 steps tall. Every time I tried landing front first, I was nose-diving. When I landed back first, I got to the point where I could slap the water, then get about 3 pumps in. Once I get better at the pumping action, I was curious: Is it supposed to feel like doing a skateboard ollie (kinda looks that way in your video when I slow it down). I'm very familiar with skateboarding. Push own back foot, lifting (but not sliding) front foot, then pushing down front foot to "pop"?
also: my "static" start is more of a forward-push of the board (feet still planted on dock), followed by an almost immediate forward-jump. I found my best results were when I carried as much forward momentum as possible. I can't tell how much you are emphasizing forward momentum vs downward push when you first jump.
Hi, thanks. It might not look like i try to generate forward Momentum, but i do as much as i can. Also the higher you start, the better. So bedt to have a step, as high as possible but still beeing able to hold the board. About the pumping, yes it is very similiar to an ollie. But be careful to Do the jumping in the Phase where the nose is facing down or is horizontal. Dont push the Board down when the nose points up. I hope thats understandable. I think it is even closer to the Skateboard motion when you generate speed in a pumptrack.
It was a river, where i would always foil upstream and the current braught me back. In Addition to that i would just swim normally and push the board in Front of me.
I just started and did 6 tries so far with full wetsuit, helmet, fingered-gloves and impact vest..but still hit my shins to board when fall..hurt!!…194 more to go😢😢
a very quick question to you sir, any idea of GONG surf foil curve alu carbon XL pro with 65cm mast and 45cm stab will this foil work on me as a bigginner? thanks sir god speed
Probably a little bit harder than with my xl-t, because the xl is slightly smaller. But should work, at least if your as light as i am. 65 cm mast should be fine.
@@stkl23 I've seen the details of xl pro the foil weight is about 85 95 110 kg..im 78kg.. thanks sir for the rply,im from phillipines so i need to be sure to get the exact foil for my weight.. thanks alot.. godspeed
@@willti123 thanks sir.. i just wanna know more ideas before i will i buy the foil, i check in gongs website the xl pro is i think will work for me... iv been watching this vdio of yours over nd over again to see more on how to make it work.. thanks alot sir... godspeed
Hello, I am working on a web site dedicated to Pumping foil. Among the features there would be on it there is - A wold ranking system of members based on their pumping time record - a selection of videos - A world map to register your pumping spots and share them with other people - A learning page to learn the different techniques. I am lacking of pictures to illustrate the learning page. Would you be ok that I take 3/4 screen shots from this video ?
@@willti123 Thank You so much ! If you want to have a look : pumping-foil dot com (do not know why but my answer gets deleted if I write the site url) It is starting so not a lot of members, but if you have any suggestions/modifications let me know, there is contact form on the site and then we can share by email.
Nobody is showing all of the fails getting into windsurfing or wind foiling. I respect this and your many dockstart attempts.
It is really interesting and exciting to see the progress! Well done and thanks for sharing this video!!! 👍
Progress clearly demonstrated! Good job.
Great video... thanks for giving me hope in keep on trying again and again...you didn t give up and now you are going to enjoy...well done 👏👏👏👍
The crazy arm motion was killing ya
danke für die ehrliche Selbstdarstellung, du machst mir Mut.
That's impressive! Took me like 4 times as long to get there. But in the end it's so rewarding.
Well done ! Amazing perseverance !!!!! 🙏
you wore me out just watching! As someone that learned to efoil this summer I can testify to the falling a LOT. :) But so worth it...
Geil, was für ein Durchhaltevermögen
Very inspiring!
Awesome Progress!! To nail it without running is much more useful!
Thanks
Nice progress dude! This is insipiring!
Thank you
Nice man!
Excellent work. Just received my gong curve xls with 85cm mast ,making my own board . My foiling journey should start in a week or so.
Good luck!
what type of board construction did you use to make it light and stiff? What size? Mast track or fixed mast position?
I'm at over 1000 attempts (almost 50 sessions) and am only now getting back to dock more often than not. I too am using a huge front wing which I will be downsizing when money allows. Great video.
Nice. What wing you are using?
@@willti123 Moses W1100. Actually it's custom made but it's based off the Moses dimensions. 1100mm wide. 240mm chord. I bought it 2nd hand off Gumtree. It's been good for the price but now I need to get the right fit for me.
@Miha Zidar Hey. You are so right about the W1100. Any misspump and I was straight in the water. And it did make switching to another wing super easy. Back in January I upgraded to the Sabfoil W1350L. I've recently posted an updated video. I'm at around the 2 minute mark now and have unlocked the standing start. No longer have to run. This has opened up so many more locations for dockstarting.
th-cam.com/video/asCNSKpbUH8/w-d-xo.html
Day 8 and 204 try and you almost hit 60s pumping!!! You are a beast dude!!!
Thanks man
@@willti123 I was at my day4 yesterday. I can finally dockstart and pump for almost 10 seconds! I'm so hyped about my progress!
@@AbnerLi awesome!
Legend
You're an animal! This deserves more views. You could do a Ted talk about persistence and progression! 😁🤙
You re too kind
@@willti123 that really was awesome. So 200 attempts and hopefully I'll have some progress 🤙
Awesome
Really nice job putting all this together 👏
You went hard on it but I'd say your progression was rather fast considering you've learnt the hard way directly through dead start and on a dock looking not really easy.
Thanks
Great video! I kite foil - I have about 500 hours foiling now, so it's "easy" for me now. When I get off the water I am frequently asked "is that difficult to learn?" I just say "yes". Most people have never actually tried to learn something "hard" - they have no conception. I'm going to refer them to your video so that they can understand! One thing: you don't show the time it takes to recover - get back to the dock ready to start again, which was obviously much more time than what can be seen in the video.
Yeah, i bet there are just as much failed pumpfoil learning efforts as there are succesful ones.
You're right.
Really great compilation showing progression. Thanks for posting. I like your initial coasting runs to get a sense of how the foil behaves. Wondering if at any point you made contact with the foil, causing injury?
Thank you. I never made serious contact with the foil. But If you have bad board control in the begining, you sometimes fall dangerously close to the foil. Can be a little bit scary .
Look up!!!
MAN!!!!
what size front wing were you using here?
Whow - this is the most impressive and encouraging documentation for pumping learners, which I've ever seen!
However, your first 20 attempts already look much better than mine after approximately 100.
My burning question: Did you already have any basic foiling skills before starting these videos?
No i had no foiling skills at all before that. But it is true, i had alrdy a basic idea, how the pumping works, probably from many years of skateboarding in the past. Pumping on a foil and pumping on a skateboard pumptrack are quite similiar.
@@willti123 Okayyy - probably also roll & yaw control is similar to skateboarding, as well. So, I will calculate a factor of 10 for the number of tries that I need to do my first pumps 😬.Thanks!
@@mihazidar4856 Thanks a lot Miha, for your answer. Actually this summer, I managed to pump 10 (always) to 24 (my personal record) beats. Hope that I can improve this next year - until being worked out 🙃.
👋 Holger
Awesome video. I just finished my first session (~40 tries). Very helpful to watch this. It's also very interesting that you started, and continued to land front foot first. I'm doing a similar static start from a dock that is about 2.5 steps tall. Every time I tried landing front first, I was nose-diving. When I landed back first, I got to the point where I could slap the water, then get about 3 pumps in. Once I get better at the pumping action, I was curious: Is it supposed to feel like doing a skateboard ollie (kinda looks that way in your video when I slow it down). I'm very familiar with skateboarding. Push own back foot, lifting (but not sliding) front foot, then pushing down front foot to "pop"?
also: my "static" start is more of a forward-push of the board (feet still planted on dock), followed by an almost immediate forward-jump. I found my best results were when I carried as much forward momentum as possible. I can't tell how much you are emphasizing forward momentum vs downward push when you first jump.
Hi, thanks. It might not look like i try to generate forward Momentum, but i do as much as i can. Also the higher you start, the better. So bedt to have a step, as high as possible but still beeing able to hold the board.
About the pumping, yes it is very similiar to an ollie. But be careful to Do the jumping in the Phase where the nose is facing down or is horizontal. Dont push the Board down when the nose points up. I hope thats understandable. I think it is even closer to the Skateboard motion when you generate speed in a pumptrack.
@@willti123 Great pointers. Thanks. Session #2 will be later today for me.
always interested if you are in the water how you get back your board , like swim with one hand and other hand hangs board ?
It was a river, where i would always foil upstream and the current braught me back. In Addition to that i would just swim normally and push the board in Front of me.
It always seems like 10% more skill or a 10% better board you can go forever.
I just started and did 6 tries so far with full wetsuit, helmet, fingered-gloves and impact vest..but still hit my shins to board when fall..hurt!!…194 more to go😢😢
Keep it up!
a very quick question to you sir, any idea of GONG surf foil curve alu carbon XL pro with 65cm mast and 45cm stab will this foil work on me as a bigginner? thanks sir god speed
Depends on your weight. Some people prefer the Rise XXL or the Curve XLT. But in general: yeah, the Gong stuff is just fine.
Probably a little bit harder than with my xl-t, because the xl is slightly smaller. But should work, at least if your as light as i am. 65 cm mast should be fine.
@@stkl23 I've seen the details of xl pro the foil weight is about 85 95 110 kg..im 78kg.. thanks sir for the rply,im from phillipines so i need to be sure to get the exact foil for my weight.. thanks alot.. godspeed
@@willti123 thanks sir.. i just wanna know more ideas before i will i buy the foil, i check in gongs website the xl pro is i think will work for me... iv been watching this vdio of yours over nd over again to see more on how to make it work.. thanks alot sir... godspeed
Really impressive. I did my first 20 today :) Looks less hopeful than first 20 of yours :)
What was holding the board at 2:42?
Thanks, i wish you best of luck. At 2:42 it was just like the other attempts
@@willti123 Ah so you buddy was holding it but he is just out of the view? Or you were tomahawking the board yourself?
Verry good .ilove you.ok
I'm at 30 attempts and am landing consistently on foil but can't get to the pumping part
Hello,
I am working on a web site dedicated to Pumping foil. Among the features there would be on it there is
- A wold ranking system of members based on their pumping time record
- a selection of videos
- A world map to register your pumping spots and share them with other people
- A learning page to learn the different techniques.
I am lacking of pictures to illustrate the learning page. Would you be ok that I take 3/4 screen shots from this video ?
Sure, no Problem. Sounds like an awesome site.
@@willti123 Thank You so much ! If you want to have a look : pumping-foil dot com (do not know why but my answer gets deleted if I write the site url)
It is starting so not a lot of members, but if you have any suggestions/modifications let me know, there is contact form on the site and then we can share by email.
What’s your height and what size board do you ride?
1,70 m, 63kg , gear in description. I would recommend a smaller Board, and a wider, higher Aspekt foil than what i used.
the wing is too short for pumping, the recommended minimum wing length is 1200 mm
This is 2 years ago... back in the days we did not know any better :)
Can you do an update :)
Hi, i moved the winter after those recordings and havent found the opportunity to foil since.
@@willti123 ahhh, hope you are enjoying the new location 🙂