Looks like the emoto needs to be a fatty bike to get extra traction. I have a full motorbike license and ride a ktm 300 on the trails so the g12 is a very interesting proposition, maybe even for commuting too.
Pete is never wrong why wouldn’t anyone interested in EMTB not be interested in this? I have a road bike, single speed, full sus, emtb and an enduro motorbike, one of these would be an amazing addition. The erosion thing seems to be a popular topic but I don’t really buy it. I ride legal trails on my enduro motorbike and there is very minimal erosion. Almost all of the erosion comes from the weather, in the UK at least. Though I do agree these things wouldn’t be ideal mixing it up with emtb’s on small trails due to speed differentials. Perhaps purpose built trails erode quicker than natural trails as they’re not compacted very much but I couldn’t comment as I’ve not ridden any
I think there is a sweet spot between the 2 bikes I've got a 1000 watt mid drive and a 500 watt mid drive choose the 500 for the trails limited to 45km and use the 1000 watts for the city 65km
@Pete is never wrong I don't buy in to it because I have monitored trails as part of a voluntary role I do in the UK and it is a fact that almost of the erosion is because of weather, and these are trails that motorbikes use. There is evidence over last 100 years that clearly shows this so it's not my opinion.
Pete is never wrong I don’t think you’re listening but I guess you are just living up to your name. I said the primary factor in erosion is weather, I also stipulated that my opinion is only based on the uk as that’s where I live and the weather here is vastly different.
Probably depends where you live, but that "e-moto" would require full motorcycle helmet and motorcycle driving license. In Finland where we have this "everyman's right", which allows you ride bicycle on any road (excl. highway ofc.) or any forest trail, no matter who owns it. That motorcycle wouldn't be allowed on most of them and could only be used on very few trail with rest of offroad motorcycles.
Oh yeah that's a really well made video! The drone, the shots, the story, the friendly competition, the landscapes... And you guys are really good at biking, ex-champions you can tell.
Seems super one sided if the e moto wasn't being throttled so hard in some of the sections of would've been so much better....just an advert for the ebike rather than an actual comparison
that you even take this test serious. Someone who wants to cycle but doesn't have enough power for a normal bike uses an e-bike and doesn't use a e moto . Someone who uses a e moto doesn't like to cycle (at least not on that day). There is no motobike or ebike. It simply depends what you want to do.
True, also they chose a weird looking e-bikeish one. I once rode an e-moto demo that was made like a regular enduro bike, just with some lighter materials and components, but with battery instead of gas engine. Thing really shredded it.
The e-Moto looks like a lot of fun, but I foresee damage to mountain bike access to tracks if / when small electric motorbikes start tearing up tracks and farms etc. Mullets and black jeans on mountain bike tracks...
@@jackolbean4765 Having something that can do almost 50mph on a footpath isn't really a good idea. There should be places to go have some real fun on a bike like that but established footpaths and trails shouldn't be that place.
As the machine gets heavier, you have to leverage its power, mass and traction more and more to do what you ordinarily do with your own body and mass. It's kind of a steep learning curve. Make no mistake, however. A trials rider would make that e-moto go places you wouldn't imagine.
Extremely entertaining! Great video guys. I think which end you're coming from, makes a big difference in your opinion about these machines. Coming from an un-powered mountain bike, its easy to see why you'd gravitate to the e-mtb. However... if you approached this from the perspective of gas-powered dirt bike rider, these "e-motos" offer some truly exciting potential!
I have ridden way more motocross than MTB (now more unpowered MTB), but I still think that these "e-motos" are complete bullshit. Once you go over the "250W" (really closer to 800W peak power) mid-drives, the pedals become pretty much useless. E-bikes are fine for the advantages that are now known to all, i.e. equalize different level people in groups, flatten hills so you can more easily train at the HR levels or speeds you want. The next step from 250W should be the actual electric motorbikes without pedals that KTM, Sur Ron and the like are putting out. The pedals just make these bastard creations more likely to be confused with bicycles and will cause a bad reputation for MTBs when morons go tearing down singletrack (and roads).
We had a great ride from Twizel in New Zealand to Lake Ohau ,up to the lodge and back again on our E-mtbs a couple of weeks ago. Fantastic . Scenery. Experience.
@@killingaurapvp3178 i agree straight up pedaling is better than ebike, but this video seems bias towards the ebike and does not give e-moto the correct reputation as they seem to be designed to replicate dirt bikes rather than mountain bikes
Probably to disguise the fact that it is overpowered and you wont get pulled over by the law as easy as if you where on say a Sur Ron with just motor bike style foot pegs.
@@williamakers1101 Pedaling the emoto is way easier and faster than wlaking it. You'll struggle only on hills. On flat land, it's not gonna be a problem.
To get around regulations so no one will know or check it unless you go superspeed haha they chose a weird looking e-bikeish one tho. I once rode an e-moto demo that was made like a regular enduro bike, just with some lighter materials and components, but with battery instead of gas engine. Thing really shredded it.
For Off road use only E-Mtbs are the best for an adrenaline rush. Mid mount motor with 52-72v 2000-4000watt motor...Oh also you can build one yourself much cheaper than any decent emtb for retail and use a bike you already own (and can revert back to stock with no damage what so ever within an hour) Building your own ebike if you want something that can go 70km/h easily and climb any hills I feel like custom is the best bet, just like making a PC
the thing i find most surprising is that the emoto sounds like its using a square wave controller... from a company backed by one like RIMAC thats really surprising, its not like FOC / sine is exotic. and hub motors are pretty crap offroad. that said, guy riding it was clearly trying to make it look like shit. cant push it up a gentle slope without spinning the shit out of it? common man. even with a shit controller it wouldn't be that hard to keep traction. ps - no way the ebike is 250w - its 250w continuous rated... but is likely 1kw or more peak.
It’s only ever going to be a hub motor with a power rating that large. You can’t put that much power through a bike chain sized chain. It’s also only got two gears, in the bottom braket, so little advantage of a crank drive motor position.
This was a rather useless comparison because the g12s has almost slick tires and the bike is made for asphalt and gravel roads. And apparently g12s is very lazy from the start as seen in the video and even the top speed of 70km/h is rather slow (most likely due to no flux weakening) for a 12kw ebike or e-moto as you called it. I do appreciate that you actually even made a video about these faster ebikes. But maybe if there ever will be a next time then don't just test the over priced/slow/underpowered/heavy "e-moto" because there are way faster lighter and even cheaper options like Qulbix, Vector, CyklonEbike etc. And also what I would have liked to see in this video was more details about the very cool display that the g12s has (and the bike in general). But you didn't show a single shot of it. A slight disappointment on that regard.
The G12 is displayed on their website with the slick Maxxis Hookworm however the one Chris was riding had Kenda Nevegal's on it. This is a pretty aggressive tyre and has been used in downhill events. Chris is pretty inexperienced on the E-Moto and so was probably a little on the cautious side when accelerating. Thanks for watching 😀
@@embn I saw the tires in the video and even though someone would use them in downhill events it doesn't mean it would be suitable for e-motos. I find that you have to use moto style tires in e-motos. Otherwise it almost defeats the point of having big suspension travel etc. But I would highly suggest you take a little ride with any of Vector ebikes. You will be plesantly surprised ;)
Man, I had so many LOL's during the video, especially at Chris's doughnut's 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Wish I had your skills on the bike, Steve's balance when climbing is insane! Scenery around Baška on Krk island is amazing, love that place. Both of those bikes would be so much fun to have. On other ebikes all you get is on/off switch and assist level selector and that's it, but technology that they've integrated in Greyp bikes is crazy, way ahead of any other manufacturers
I own a Stealth B-52. Very similar to the e-moto. Handles downhill single tracks great. I dont have the traction issues. But I have 9 gears, 6200w power. Top steep 95kph. I use it on my downhill bike park often, only get good comments about it. I even take it on jump tracks. YOU NEED TO PEDDLE. Your peddling keeps the bike from overheating and also provides alot more torque. They are more 'bike' then motorbike. Yes you can ride them without peddling but why limit yourself to 50km range when you can have 100?
Totally agree with all that! Chris needs to peddle, and feather the throttle at the same time, more torque, more range, but most of all, the control and balance then feels so dialled
2 wheels carry our soul! It's a very nice video, I'm an electric mountain bike rider, I live in the Netherlands, I'm still waiting for my new channel. Good luck with my love.
I'm an avid enduro motorcycle rider, and mountain biker, but I still think E-motos are lame. The problem is when you have a motor/battery sized to produce significantly more power than pedaling ever could, it becomes dumb to have both. Nobody will be pedaling that e-moto much. Whereas an e-bike produces comparable power to pedaling, so it doesn't change what and how you ride so much. My 72 yo Dad has an e-bike and now he can MTB with us again, it's great.
That’s was just pure entertainment I smiled for 24 minutes from Chris Monoing along the esplanade to Steve doing a bit of trials hoping up stairs and up hill mono round corners on loose switch backs Great video the Moto looks fun but it’s no MTB
steve - impressive roll back at 16.31. yeah they got it. great video....although it will have put a nail in the coffin for the e-moto. i can't see any reason for owning one unless you're commuting in and out of the city. a spin-out nightmare. the e-bike has unnecessary features (find my bike), bluetooth and internet. who cares - it's for shredding trails....and if you can't remember where you left it then.....
True, and they were obviously not doing ANY racing. too many good camera shots. they had to pause wait for the dude to move up then have the dude drive past. they were obviously not all drone shots. Unless they just had dozens of people standing at different points. haha
and a motocross bike would beat an e moto in everything? And a plane would be faster than a Lamborghini? They are just not comparable. One is cycling (with help), the other is not.
If you jump up to either a 500W or 750w e-bike in place of the smaller wattage bike the difference would be even more stacked toward the e-mountain bike and the weight difference would probably be minimal, I have a 750/1500W e-mountain bike which can use either pedal assist or full throttle, and it seems like the best of both world and is legal anywhere in the US at the lower watt setting
Most of you don't understand that the emoto in this case has a giant, powerful hub motor. The rear wheel weighs as much as a street motorcycle, and the power delivery is sketchy at low speeds with vague response. A powerful mid-drive would be better, but response on all but the best emotos is difficult to control. I'm always embarrassed to be seen on an emoto on bike trails, but I love my gas engine dirt bike and my emtb. I do ride the emtb on dirt bike trails at times, but never get my dirt bike near bike trails. Anybody that thinks a emtb is a "dirt bike" hasn't ridden a dirt bike.
IMO, the G12 is not an E-Moto, that should be for the likes of the KTM Freeride E or the Alta Electric MX bike, both of these are mountain bikes ( stretching it a bit far with the G12 ), I would have thought in the real world and with a decent rear tyre the G12 would perform better going up than shown by Chris in this video ( maybe he was a little too keen with the throttle ), if I was going to spend this sort of money on an electric bike for off roading, I'd rather have the KTM Freeride E and go green laning. The law in the UK for electric bikes ( pedal assist) is too strict, restrictions should be above 30mph and leave it to the rider to judge their speed.
Great video guys...thought it might be two long but really enjoyed it...be interested to know why you didn’t wear top body armour with that nasty terrain?
I'll probably go with the electric mountain bike they look good and seem to work good im also going to save up for the diamondback corax 1.0 cant wait.
Great video guys very entertaining and informative Steve & Chris have got good chemistry, the g12s is too imbetween though for my liking emtb or full on electric motorbike.
G12 is not right ebike for that place. Take a look on Vector Vortex or Vector Typhoon, they have wide tires that give you a lot more traction on any surface, plus the gearing gives advantage on steep hills!
The additional weight of the E-Moto should be easily compensated for by the significant power increase. If this test had been conducted with riders of equal skill levels, there should be no comparison between the performance of the two bikes. Imagine, running KTM's E-Moto (which is motorcycle based) through the same tests and no E-MTB could possibly compare (keep pace). While the KTM still weighs more than both of these Greyp's combined. The rider of the E-moto bike seemed more interested in spinning his rear tire than utilizing the additional power effectively.
This is a set up to make the emoto look bad. Steep uphill boulders? Not where i ride. Sold my de-restricted Trek Rail and bought a Stealth B52 . Absolutely love the Stealth. Compare those on some open flow trails. Lighter bike is only better in tight rough technical trails. Open bush trails and fire trails are awesome on the Stealth. (Emoto)
It's not easy, i never fitted the peddle assist on my home build so it's all throttle and makes it very hard on hills getting it right, i am now considering fitting the peddle assist.
Great video. The comparison is unfair since an e-moto would be more likely ridden on moto trails or tracks and not mtb trails. Cool to see that bike in action though!
The e-mtb looks nice but I'll keep my minimalist cockpit of my Levo...And you can keep the e-moto, I can't even think of a time I would care to straddle it as its ugly and has a throttle... But the trails you guys were on looked wicked fun, and that's the important part...
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Looks like the emoto needs to be a fatty bike to get extra traction. I have a full motorbike license and ride a ktm 300 on the trails so the g12 is a very interesting proposition, maybe even for commuting too.
Pete is never wrong why wouldn’t anyone interested in EMTB not be interested in this? I have a road bike, single speed, full sus, emtb and an enduro motorbike, one of these would be an amazing addition.
The erosion thing seems to be a popular topic but I don’t really buy it. I ride legal trails on my enduro motorbike and there is very minimal erosion. Almost all of the erosion comes from the weather, in the UK at least.
Though I do agree these things wouldn’t be ideal mixing it up with emtb’s on small trails due to speed differentials. Perhaps purpose built trails erode quicker than natural trails as they’re not compacted very much but I couldn’t comment as I’ve not ridden any
I think there is a sweet spot between the 2 bikes I've got a 1000 watt mid drive and a 500 watt mid drive choose the 500 for the trails limited to 45km and use the 1000 watts for the city 65km
@Pete is never wrong I don't buy in to it because I have monitored trails as part of a voluntary role I do in the UK and it is a fact that almost of the erosion is because of weather, and these are trails that motorbikes use. There is evidence over last 100 years that clearly shows this so it's not my opinion.
Pete is never wrong I don’t think you’re listening but I guess you are just living up to your name. I said the primary factor in erosion is weather, I also stipulated that my opinion is only based on the uk as that’s where I live and the weather here is vastly different.
3:28 - Forget the bike, whoever is controlling that drone is a champion!
I think IronicGti FPV (see below in comments)
IKR
Oh yeah, oh yeah. Word.
Fpv is the right hobby👌🏻
Probably depends where you live, but that "e-moto" would require full motorcycle helmet and motorcycle driving license. In Finland where we have this "everyman's right", which allows you ride bicycle on any road (excl. highway ofc.) or any forest trail, no matter who owns it. That motorcycle wouldn't be allowed on most of them and could only be used on very few trail with rest of offroad motorcycles.
Same here in Scotland
@@julianshepherd2038 you have to have a motorcycle license to ride a dirt bike offroad? What about for a Quad? What would the license even be?
"with batteries from rimac" I guess hammond isn't getting this one boys
I mean... this one probably won't catch on fire... probably
Oh yeah that's a really well made video! The drone, the shots, the story, the friendly competition, the landscapes... And you guys are really good at biking, ex-champions you can tell.
Seems super one sided if the e moto wasn't being throttled so hard in some of the sections of would've been so much better....just an advert for the ebike rather than an actual comparison
As I stated he does not know how to ride a motorbike.
that you even take this test serious. Someone who wants to cycle but doesn't have enough power for a normal bike uses an e-bike and doesn't use a e moto . Someone who uses a e moto doesn't like to cycle (at least not on that day). There is no motobike or ebike. It simply depends what you want to do.
True, also they chose a weird looking e-bikeish one. I once rode an e-moto demo that was made like a regular enduro bike, just with some lighter materials and components, but with battery instead of gas engine. Thing really shredded it.
A mid drive emoto would have handled the rocks perfectly. Get the widest tire that fits the rim and deflate it a bit. Easy.
check Vector Voertex, its a middrive emoto
Vectorebike it’s clearly not
They where just acting. He could have handled the rocks if he wanted bla bla done watching again. Cool bikes. But be real please.
stoked how this show end up well!! So glad i had chance to work with You guys! Mucho love from Croatia :)
Thanks for some awesome shots! 🤘👊
Hey Denis, your skills absolutely blew my mind, honestly amazing......
@@stevejones7956 👍🙂 whenever you need someone to chase you, just let me know 😁🤘
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@@nirmo5970 Krk, Baska
The e-Moto looks like a lot of fun, but I foresee damage to mountain bike access to tracks if / when small electric motorbikes start tearing up tracks and farms etc. Mullets and black jeans on mountain bike tracks...
bullshit. farmers and environmentalists don't want you WALKING out there. you play along w/ the ban game, you play against your own access as well.
E-moto is for motocross trails
@@jackolbean4765 Having something that can do almost 50mph on a footpath isn't really a good idea. There should be places to go have some real fun on a bike like that but established footpaths and trails shouldn't be that place.
As the machine gets heavier, you have to leverage its power, mass and traction more and more to do what you ordinarily do with your own body and mass. It's kind of a steep learning curve.
Make no mistake, however. A trials rider would make that e-moto go places you wouldn't imagine.
Extremely entertaining! Great video guys. I think which end you're coming from, makes a big difference in your opinion about these machines. Coming from an un-powered mountain bike, its easy to see why you'd gravitate to the e-mtb. However... if you approached this from the perspective of gas-powered dirt bike rider, these "e-motos" offer some truly exciting potential!
I have ridden way more motocross than MTB (now more unpowered MTB), but I still think that these "e-motos" are complete bullshit. Once you go over the "250W" (really closer to 800W peak power) mid-drives, the pedals become pretty much useless. E-bikes are fine for the advantages that are now known to all, i.e. equalize different level people in groups, flatten hills so you can more easily train at the HR levels or speeds you want. The next step from 250W should be the actual electric motorbikes without pedals that KTM, Sur Ron and the like are putting out. The pedals just make these bastard creations more likely to be confused with bicycles and will cause a bad reputation for MTBs when morons go tearing down singletrack (and roads).
@@avlehtine with the emoto I would be able to go places and trespass without the owners even knowing since very little sound but its to slow.
We had a great ride from Twizel in New Zealand to Lake Ohau ,up to the lodge and back again on our E-mtbs a couple of weeks ago. Fantastic . Scenery. Experience.
an e-moto is illegal in most natural landscapes (national/natural parks, trails, forest roads) so I think the answer is pretty easy
sterpumihai half the trails I ride currently are illegal either way... doesn’t hurt for a brap brap up the hill
im pretty sure the intended use of an Emoto is not to be used on mountain bike trails, but instead on a motocross course or dirt bike trails
Epic Gaming no pedal > pedal assist
@@killingaurapvp3178 i agree straight up pedaling is better than ebike, but this video seems bias towards the ebike and does not give e-moto the correct reputation as they seem to be designed to replicate dirt bikes rather than mountain bikes
sterpumihai I’d still do for the moto
I also had the G6.2 Demo09 in May 😍 now proud owner of my own G6.2. Tested the G12 3 years ago, but it´s to heavy for the mountains
The E-moto looks epic, body framing to it looks very bulky tho! Insanity🙌🏼
ugly as hell, both of them
I was waiting for this video for looong time. Thx for upload
i don't understand why the e-moto bike even has pedals
Probably to disguise the fact that it is overpowered and you wont get pulled over by the law as easy as if you where on say a Sur Ron with just motor bike style foot pegs.
Erm...in case you run out of battery maybe. Just a guess....
@@stevenshannon1198 if you run out of battery, you walk home. It is super heavy with no gear....which is why peddles seems useless
@@williamakers1101 Pedaling the emoto is way easier and faster than wlaking it. You'll struggle only on hills. On flat land, it's not gonna be a problem.
To get around regulations so no one will know or check it unless you go superspeed haha they chose a weird looking e-bikeish one tho. I once rode an e-moto demo that was made like a regular enduro bike, just with some lighter materials and components, but with battery instead of gas engine. Thing really shredded it.
For Off road use only E-Mtbs are the best for an adrenaline rush. Mid mount motor with 52-72v 2000-4000watt motor...Oh also you can build one yourself much cheaper than any decent emtb for retail and use a bike you already own (and can revert back to stock with no damage what so ever within an hour) Building your own ebike if you want something that can go 70km/h easily and climb any hills I feel like custom is the best bet, just like making a PC
the thing i find most surprising is that the emoto sounds like its using a square wave controller... from a company backed by one like RIMAC thats really surprising, its not like FOC / sine is exotic. and hub motors are pretty crap offroad. that said, guy riding it was clearly trying to make it look like shit. cant push it up a gentle slope without spinning the shit out of it? common man. even with a shit controller it wouldn't be that hard to keep traction.
ps - no way the ebike is 250w - its 250w continuous rated... but is likely 1kw or more peak.
if they used a shitty square wave controller its most likely a shitty speed control too.
It’s only ever going to be a hub motor with a power rating that large. You can’t put that much power through a bike chain sized chain. It’s also only got two gears, in the bottom braket, so little advantage of a crank drive motor position.
pretty much
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3:40 That drone shoot is amazing!
You two are absolutely the best, what a great video, really enjoy your channel , very impressed with both of your ridding skills
Great FPV Footage - great content at all! Keep it up 🙌🏻👊🏻👍🏻💪🏻🇦🇹
Like that Steve used his head on the stair climb....... prevented a nasty fall
Let himself down there.
Steve would normally cruise that.
2 wheel drive seems the next logical step, and then abs and traction control .
Also Kudos to the drone operator, that guy has some sick moves
Yes man
Abs and traction control sucks for anything slightly gnarly off road.
@@remytv yeah i was being hyperbolic, about those features, not so much about the 2 wheel drive, to me it looks like the new thing.
At 4:20 Sums it all up for who these bikes are for when he says, “ A little premature there” 🤣🤣🤣
A Viagra vs Cialis video.
16:20 min. Cool!
Awesome video, love the bikes, drone footage was spectacular! great job guys! :)
This was a rather useless comparison because the g12s has almost slick tires and the bike is made for asphalt and gravel roads. And apparently g12s is very lazy from the start as seen in the video and even the top speed of 70km/h is rather slow (most likely due to no flux weakening) for a 12kw ebike or e-moto as you called it.
I do appreciate that you actually even made a video about these faster ebikes. But maybe if there ever will be a next time then don't just test the over priced/slow/underpowered/heavy "e-moto" because there are way faster lighter and even cheaper options like Qulbix, Vector, CyklonEbike etc.
And also what I would have liked to see in this video was more details about the very cool display that the g12s has (and the bike in general). But you didn't show a single shot of it. A slight disappointment on that regard.
I will be happy to give bike for free for testing, Vector Typhoon or Vector Vortex. Thank you for comment @BossManaatti
@@Vectorebike yes one of your bikes would make way more sense for these types of comparisons than greyps g12s. I hope this video will happen :)
The G12 is displayed on their website with the slick Maxxis Hookworm however the one Chris was riding had Kenda Nevegal's on it. This is a pretty aggressive tyre and has been used in downhill events. Chris is pretty inexperienced on the E-Moto and so was probably a little on the cautious side when accelerating.
Thanks for watching 😀
@@embn I saw the tires in the video and even though someone would use them in downhill events it doesn't mean it would be suitable for e-motos. I find that you have to use moto style tires in e-motos. Otherwise it almost defeats the point of having big suspension travel etc.
But I would highly suggest you take a little ride with any of Vector ebikes. You will be plesantly surprised ;)
@@embn can we send you bike for test?:-)
You guys were hooning it down those marbles! For not wearing pads, respect!
Man, I had so many LOL's during the video, especially at Chris's doughnut's 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Wish I had your skills on the bike, Steve's balance when climbing is insane! Scenery around Baška on Krk island is amazing, love that place. Both of those bikes would be so much fun to have. On other ebikes all you get is on/off switch and assist level selector and that's it, but technology that they've integrated in Greyp bikes is crazy, way ahead of any other manufacturers
Baska, Croatia, beautifull beach!
Weight I hear you say.... I’ve ridden two stroke trail bikes over more aggressive terrain with easy.. think he needs a lesson on riding bikes!
I think the tires where a bad pick also
You guys have sick technical riding Skills 💪🏻
I live close to croatia (bosnia) and I am so happy to see that Balkan is getting more attention when it comes down to mtb
Loving the use of the racing drone shots in this 👌 The guys over at GMBN need to get invlolved! 🔥
Well..we are moving forward as the bicycles too,
I'll stick to the originality of the bicycles it self
Dude, you gotta weight the rear wheel to get traction and those MTB Tires Knobbies are too Short to gain Traction on loose terrain.
excellent review thanks sooo much guys...MERRY XMAS X...that G6 is the bomb mate....what a bit of kit!!!
I own a Stealth B-52. Very similar to the e-moto. Handles downhill single tracks great. I dont have the traction issues. But I have 9 gears, 6200w power. Top steep 95kph.
I use it on my downhill bike park often, only get good comments about it. I even take it on jump tracks. YOU NEED TO PEDDLE. Your peddling keeps the bike from overheating and also provides alot more torque. They are more 'bike' then motorbike. Yes you can ride them without peddling but why limit yourself to 50km range when you can have 100?
Totally agree with all that! Chris needs to peddle, and feather the throttle at the same time, more torque, more range, but most of all, the control and balance then feels so dialled
that e moto realy needs to be on 17-19in motorcycle rims to compete with a emtb the mtb tires are not designed for the weight of the bike
Sur.ron,cafe racer and kuberg (real e motos)
2 wheels carry our soul! It's a very nice video, I'm an electric mountain bike rider, I live in the Netherlands, I'm still waiting for my new channel. Good luck with my love.
Lajk ko je iz Hrvatske
Who’s the racing drone pilot?
IronicGTI here on YT :)
Not one of the better follows I’ve seen but hats off for him getting it hobby out there
@@trenthamlin4805 Yeah he had like one or two passes for every shot so this is actually very good :)
i think if EMTB change to bafang M600, M620 mid drive system or just unlock speed, those every testing and compare will have big big different meaning
What an excellent video! That Top Gear like versus is brilliant. Great job guys
Some top notch camera work here, nice work.
Great job, guys! Having a laugh with a bike review. And the Emmy goes to....
Croatia is a beautiful country with beautiful people, can't wait to go back, I'm sure they are in Baška?
I'm an avid enduro motorcycle rider, and mountain biker, but I still think E-motos are lame.
The problem is when you have a motor/battery sized to produce significantly more power than pedaling ever could, it becomes dumb to have both. Nobody will be pedaling that e-moto much.
Whereas an e-bike produces comparable power to pedaling, so it doesn't change what and how you ride so much. My 72 yo Dad has an e-bike and now he can MTB with us again, it's great.
Exactly, just get a light dualsport like the WR250R at that point.
I wish to have one of these MTB, btw Excellent bikes n drone shots as well
Oh jeeze... I just found out there is an 'E'MBN ....
Neither Emoto nor Emtb ...ALL HAIL THE CAMERAMAN💥
What is the name of the application that you use for odometer and maps???? Nice video thank you!
If you’re talking e-Moto you need to try stealth bomber bikes
I rode 82,000 km on my Stealth Bomber. #107 . So many great memories and the Suntour gearing system is seldom offered by anyone.
@Strong man 4600 miles on my b52 so far and the build quality is crazy tough.. also it comes with a lifetime limited warranty so your covered.
That’s was just pure entertainment I smiled for 24 minutes from Chris Monoing along the esplanade to Steve doing a bit of trials hoping up stairs and up hill mono round corners on loose switch backs
Great video the Moto looks fun but it’s no MTB
I’ll defenitely buy the e-moto
Wait till you see the price, lol
Nice uphill controlled backward adjustment power move Steve. You a good rider dude. Keep it up!
Greetings from Croatia!
steve - impressive roll back at 16.31. yeah they got it. great video....although it will have put a nail in the coffin for the e-moto. i can't see any reason for owning one unless you're commuting in and out of the city. a spin-out nightmare. the e-bike has unnecessary features (find my bike), bluetooth and internet. who cares - it's for shredding trails....and if you can't remember where you left it then.....
Unnecessary? Bike theft is super common, that's a great feature.
@@0xsergy especially at our age ;)
were you guys using sticks to hold up the bikes
Would love to have one of each!
Good skills for older guy. Didn't expected it.
Looks great but it’s not possible to ride the emoto anywhere legally. where could you ride the emoto in the Uk?
This thing was a thinly disguised advert, what happened to the "no reviews" policy?
True, and they were obviously not doing ANY racing. too many good camera shots. they had to pause wait for the dude to move up then have the dude drive past. they were obviously not all drone shots. Unless they just had dozens of people standing at different points. haha
So the E-moto beats the E-mtb on just about everything when it includes a competent rider?
my thoughts exactly. if they switched, the emoto woulda been fine.
Does a competent rider actually really consider one though ?
and a motocross bike would beat an e moto in everything? And a plane would be faster than a Lamborghini? They are just not comparable. One is cycling (with help), the other is not.
The quadcopter footage was sick
If you jump up to either a 500W or 750w e-bike in place of the smaller wattage bike the difference would be even more stacked toward the e-mountain bike and the weight difference would probably be minimal, I have a 750/1500W e-mountain bike which can use either pedal assist or full throttle, and it seems like the best of both world and is legal anywhere in the US at the lower watt setting
Most of you don't understand that the emoto in this case has a giant, powerful hub motor. The rear wheel weighs as much as a street motorcycle, and the power delivery is sketchy at low speeds with vague response. A powerful mid-drive would be better, but response on all but the best emotos is difficult to control. I'm always embarrassed to be seen on an emoto on bike trails, but I love my gas engine dirt bike and my emtb. I do ride the emtb on dirt bike trails at times, but never get my dirt bike near bike trails. Anybody that thinks a emtb is a "dirt bike" hasn't ridden a dirt bike.
IMO, the G12 is not an E-Moto, that should be for the likes of the KTM Freeride E or the Alta Electric MX bike, both of these are mountain bikes ( stretching it a bit far with the G12 ), I would have thought in the real world and with a decent rear tyre the G12 would perform better going up than shown by Chris in this video ( maybe he was a little too keen with the throttle ), if I was going to spend this sort of money on an electric bike for off roading, I'd rather have the KTM Freeride E and go green laning. The law in the UK for electric bikes ( pedal assist) is too strict, restrictions should be above 30mph and leave it to the rider to judge their speed.
Great video guys...thought it might be two long but really enjoyed it...be interested to know why you didn’t wear top body armour with that nasty terrain?
Traction control on the e motorbike would help?
just a better rider
I'll probably go with the electric mountain bike they look good and seem to work good im also going to save up for the diamondback corax 1.0 cant wait.
Great video guys very entertaining and informative Steve & Chris have got good chemistry, the g12s is too imbetween though for my liking emtb or full on electric motorbike.
G12 is not right ebike for that place. Take a look on Vector Vortex or Vector Typhoon, they have wide tires that give you a lot more traction on any surface, plus the gearing gives advantage on steep hills!
Thanks Vector...is it easier to lift through locked gates too?
How does it only do 70 kph on 12kw? The B-52 and the Sur-ron do 75-80 kph on 4-5kw...
12 kw converts to about 16hp
The additional weight of the E-Moto should be easily compensated for by the significant power increase. If this test had been conducted with riders of equal skill levels, there should be no comparison between the performance of the two bikes. Imagine, running KTM's E-Moto (which is motorcycle based) through the same tests and no E-MTB could possibly compare (keep pace). While the KTM still weighs more than both of these Greyp's combined. The rider of the E-moto bike seemed more interested in spinning his rear tire than utilizing the additional power effectively.
literally I made my own and it was soooo much cheaper (£500) and the bike goes 30km on a road
How???
This is a set up to make the emoto look bad. Steep uphill boulders? Not where i ride. Sold my de-restricted Trek Rail and bought a Stealth B52 . Absolutely love the Stealth. Compare those on some open flow trails. Lighter bike is only better in tight rough technical trails. Open bush trails and fire trails are awesome on the Stealth. (Emoto)
Ebikes and light emotos are both excellent machines. You need to try them and then of course own one of each. :)
On the other hand you wouldn’t be shattered on the emoto . More riding for longer and in a more comfortable manner 👍🏻
Bring in an emoto rider that actually knows how to feather the throttle
It's not easy, i never fitted the peddle assist on my home build so it's all throttle and makes it very hard on hills getting it right, i am now considering fitting the peddle assist.
Chris never hit the pedals once! i call BS,
@Chris Smith okLOL!
Forget the bikes what a beautiful place
You guys were hating on that e moto like regular bike guys hate on ebikes. A little exaggerated and not fair. It is what it is and it's not that bad.
Troy Collier it’s hilarious how hikers hate mountain bikers on the trails, mountain bikers hate e bikes, and e bike riders hate e motos and dirt bikes
@@killingaurapvp3178 and only e motor guys hate nobody.
Great video. The comparison is unfair since an e-moto would be more likely ridden on moto trails or tracks and not mtb trails. Cool to see that bike in action though!
For e-Moto you are either getting ktm free ride or an Alta those are the only two worth buying for serious trails right now
that "e moto" bike is an an E bike =, it has pedals its just in a different class. you'll never see on of those at a motocross race
Kudos to the drone operator, skills
Just wondering what that application was, you were using on the E Bike, to navigate?
for electric bike, which brands of universal battery and motor for recommendation (aostirmotor ebike)
The e-mtb looks nice but I'll keep my minimalist cockpit of my Levo...And you can keep the e-moto, I can't even think of a time I would care to straddle it as its ugly and has a throttle...
But the trails you guys were on looked wicked fun, and that's the important part...
Im impressed to an oldman still riding a mountain bike.
What happened to the e Moto bike? It's not on the website anymore, and I want to buy one
Certainly for Steve's bike, otherwise a good comparison and a great show.😊
Damn it wish the MTB bike was Demo 8.1 or Giant glory, offroas lover!.
Where can you buy an e-moto? I am intrested in buying one.
I was really hoping for a head to head challenge, this was more of a drama then a shootout.
What would be the better bike the specialized Levo expert or the greyp 6.3??
How did you get the drag race camera into that angle?? ,woow
Excellent Drone Work Guys !!