Beautiful process. I especially like your feelings about respecting the object and material, and your ideas about matter and material vs form. Your work is wonderful. 💕
some people will make up anything to "criticise" a woman in order to kidnap the conversation and distract from the brilliance of her work. so "her voice", huh?! women's voices must be high and melodic, anything else is "not authentic"?! this misogyny...is dusty, is boring, is never gonna hit an enlightened feminist. since even the toughest woman haters have understood that discussing a woman's appearance is inappropiate, same people now think that at least "the way she talks" should be up for discussion. it's not.
I am a feminist and a women. I am from Europe, so vocal fry is not familiar for us. I know it is a New York thing. It has nothing to do with being a woman or her art. It is just that about vocal fry. Outside of the USA vocal fry sounds artificial af and it is very difficult to concentrate on what the person is trying to say.
agreed, this criticism is so boring, it's not only gender based but also generational. "Older" people telling the younger generations that they don't do this or that how it should be done (or was done)
It's how American Millennials talk to add authority to their voice; Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian are two typically linked with the beginnings of the trend: "Vocal fry is the lowest register (tone) of your voice characterized by its deep, creaky, breathy sound. When you speak, your vocal cords naturally close to create vibrations as air passes between them. It is usually the result of a learned social habit. It's particularly used by young women and seen as a way to support their authority by accessing an unnaturally deeper pitch of voice than they would normally use. Whether this works or not seems to depend on who is listening. Those under 30 apparently do find vocal fry adds authority to what is being said." It's like fingernails on a chalk board. It is unlistenable.
Could not agree more. It´s pathetic and cringy. By far the worst is Elizabeth Holmes. But why do young women think they need to act, rather than be authentic? Also the rising intonation of the last word of a sentence, making every sentence an question. Why, just why?
I hear what you're saying, and that kind of thing drives me bonkers as well. But, it's a lit like local accents which are more striking the further apart locations are (say, Aussie versus American accents): it's to a large extent out of one's personal control. The rising intonation started in the 80's at the latest. Remember Moon Zappa's "Valley Girl" song? And so, people like this young woman might have been raised by mom's who talk like that. I've hear men use the rising intonation, too. The vocal fry is a newer thing. But, still, people talk and walk like everyone else in their communities. The worst one for me is when people, usually women, pepper their sentences with "like" all over the place. Like, they like can't go three or four words without like saying like.
@newjawn9004 Oh that is interesting that it adds authority for younger people and it sounds different for them. I am dying insight when I have to listen to vocal fry. My brain melts, but I am from Berlin. It is so bizarr. It sounds so forced and artificial. At min 8:41 her voice slips and you can her her real voice. She is a great artist for sure.... I hope this New York trend will stop soon or vocal fry will split the world once and for all.
@@artvsmachine Yes, interspersing "like" is another habit that's extremely irritating, but I've read that it can be related to an involuntary speech stutter -- the brain essentially creating pauses to allow conscious thoughts to gel and vocalized. In regard to vocal fry (also known as "pulse register," "laryngealization," and "glottal fry") it is the lowest vocal register and is produced through a loose glottal closure that permits air to bubble through slowly with a popping or rattling sound of a very low frequency. It can be a difficult habit to unlearn, but speech pathologists can help. Vocal fry is rarely found outside of America, and even then it is typically associated with young women who have been heavily influenced by American pop culture. Finally, I had forgotten about Moon Zappa's song -- like her father, an astute observer of corporate teen "culture."
As someone who is deeply immersed both personally and professionally in systems of power I was really interested in what she has to say. Ironically the vocal fry and its implied pretense, illustrates that she would be a victim of such power. Systems of power are subversive and deceptive - in my experience - they are soft and hidden - threatening whispers. Like war, systems of power can be understood when both wielded or firmly under its heel. Her art runs dangerously close (too close really) to the cliched tugs on the usual tropes: a thought experiment rather than reporting back from the other side telling showing us what the hell is going on.
Funny about systems of power, your "intense consideration for the thing that you're doing" + consideration of the viewer.... You and an assistant (?) were so rude to me on our Troutman studio loading dock a while back. Try having more respect for other artist neighbors in the community. Thanks
Apart from the astonishing artwork I absolutely love the sound of her voice.
I wish the mainstream would give way to these type of media.
Violence ,sex and mayhem aren't the only things going on in the world
the strength of small remmants to produce deep tremors, beautiful!
loved to hear her!
brilliant, I love this. Hadn't seen before
Yay!! Elaine!!! 😇
Great video ❤
Art is just thought materialized. If you don't express yourself you're just art internalized.
Beautiful process. I especially like your feelings about respecting the object and material, and your ideas about matter and material vs form. Your work is wonderful. 💕
art commemorates, a scent of feelings...thank you.
some people will make up anything to "criticise" a woman in order to kidnap the conversation and distract from the brilliance of her work. so "her voice", huh?! women's voices must be high and melodic, anything else is "not authentic"?! this misogyny...is dusty, is boring, is never gonna hit an enlightened feminist. since even the toughest woman haters have understood that discussing a woman's appearance is inappropiate, same people now think that at least "the way she talks" should be up for discussion. it's not.
I am a feminist and a women. I am from Europe, so vocal fry is not familiar for us. I know it is a New York thing. It has nothing to do with being a woman or her art. It is just that about vocal fry. Outside of the USA vocal fry sounds artificial af and it is very difficult to concentrate on what the person is trying to say.
@@lalewilan Agreed. She also employs the annoying American Gen Z habit of ending statements with a questioning tone, popularly known as upspeak.
agreed, this criticism is so boring, it's not only gender based but also generational. "Older" people telling the younger generations that they don't do this or that how it should be done (or was done)
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It's how American Millennials talk to add authority to their voice; Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian are two typically linked with the beginnings of the trend: "Vocal fry is the lowest register (tone) of your voice characterized by its deep, creaky, breathy sound. When you speak, your vocal cords naturally close to create vibrations as air passes between them. It is usually the result of a learned social habit. It's particularly used by young women and seen as a way to support their authority by accessing an unnaturally deeper pitch of voice than they would normally use. Whether this works or not seems to depend on who is listening. Those under 30 apparently do find vocal fry adds authority to what is being said." It's like fingernails on a chalk board. It is unlistenable.
Could not agree more. It´s pathetic and cringy. By far the worst is Elizabeth Holmes. But why do young women think they need to act, rather than be authentic?
Also the rising intonation of the last word of a sentence, making every sentence an question.
Why, just why?
You have crystalized my thoughts eloquently.
I hear what you're saying, and that kind of thing drives me bonkers as well. But, it's a lit like local accents which are more striking the further apart locations are (say, Aussie versus American accents): it's to a large extent out of one's personal control. The rising intonation started in the 80's at the latest. Remember Moon Zappa's "Valley Girl" song? And so, people like this young woman might have been raised by mom's who talk like that. I've hear men use the rising intonation, too. The vocal fry is a newer thing. But, still, people talk and walk like everyone else in their communities. The worst one for me is when people, usually women, pepper their sentences with "like" all over the place. Like, they like can't go three or four words without like saying like.
@newjawn9004 Oh that is interesting that it adds authority for younger people and it sounds different for them. I am dying insight when I have to listen to vocal fry. My brain melts, but I am from Berlin. It is so bizarr. It sounds so forced and artificial. At min 8:41 her voice slips and you can her her real voice. She is a great artist for sure.... I hope this New York trend will stop soon or vocal fry will split the world once and for all.
@@artvsmachine Yes, interspersing "like" is another habit that's extremely irritating, but I've read that it can be related to an involuntary speech stutter -- the brain essentially creating pauses to allow conscious thoughts to gel and vocalized. In regard to vocal fry (also known as "pulse register," "laryngealization," and "glottal fry") it is the lowest vocal register and is produced through a loose glottal closure that permits air to bubble through slowly with a popping or rattling sound of a very low frequency. It can be a difficult habit to unlearn, but speech pathologists can help. Vocal fry is rarely found outside of America, and even then it is typically associated with young women who have been heavily influenced by American pop culture. Finally, I had forgotten about Moon Zappa's song -- like her father, an astute observer of corporate teen "culture."
As someone who is deeply immersed both personally and professionally in systems of power I was really interested in what she has to say. Ironically the vocal fry and its implied pretense, illustrates that she would be a victim of such power. Systems of power are subversive and deceptive - in my experience - they are soft and hidden - threatening whispers. Like war, systems of power can be understood when both wielded or firmly under its heel. Her art runs dangerously close (too close really) to the cliched tugs on the usual tropes: a thought experiment rather than reporting back from the other side telling showing us what the hell is going on.
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Funny about systems of power, your "intense consideration for the thing that you're doing" + consideration of the viewer.... You and an assistant (?) were so rude to me on our Troutman studio loading dock a while back. Try having more respect for other artist neighbors in the community. Thanks
Massive oof, sorry to hear that friend
LOL
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systems of power. like joining the commercial art world. 😂
All so cerebral 🙄 effecting space.. it’s on.. personally I find nothing inspiring, interesting, or original about this stuff you claim is Art..
Her voice as if she wants to burb
maybe you are watching too many horror movies