Just remembering: Flutter is migrating to the Impeller engine, leaving Skia behind. It's already open to development for iOS apps if I remember correctly, but still not fully suported in all platforms.
surprisingly, the slint framework with rust is very good, I tried the demo GUI application, the animation is very smooth and fast, I don't know if it's better than flutter because it uses rust which is very fast, flutter uses the new Render impeller.
Hi Simon, I was wondering if you would mind stating what you think the best choice would be of these three in my case? I am starting what is primarily a web application for businesses that will have a B2C portal available later in development via an app. As I am likely to be the sole developer on this for a while, I thought it would be best to use a cross-platform application for the initial delivery of the product, then maybe switch to using a dedicated native app build later down the line. I already have react experience, but I am happy learning anything. Thanks!
You forgot the big thing of 2023, Kotlin multi platform mobile is stable version today. Just announced. I’m Java developer and I bet on KMM or Kotlin compose for the future
I'm curious to know why you switched from Angular to React Native - I don't think you answered that in this video? PS: I disagree with you with respect to PWAs, they are the definitive cross-platform environment, and now that Apple is finally supporting push notifications from web apps the need to go though the App Store is eliminated for PWAs.
@@galaxies_dev You made a comment (where the twits hang out) on May 15 that seemed pretty definitive that you were going to focus on React Native exclusively in the future. I must have misunderstood?
I am using ionic 6 and angular 14 and works perfect but I see with my customers that it's not more necessary make a native application because he prefers an website with sms and emails notifications and email and phone to auth, so I guess the demand for mobile apps will decline in the coming years with iOS 16 update that now add push notifications so this a big news for html5 webpages
Continue... I think the volume of people that he wants native mobile applications is going to reduce in next year's but obviously forever we have a customers with more specific requeriments for her systems
@@onlydev4099 I working with ionic 6 and 14 since 2021. So I have a many projects with that dependencies, I have old experiences with ionic updates so I found many solutions to not use ionic start anymore and that's because it's a nightmare use ionic start, actually I don't want update to ionic 7, maybe later when the internet have a more information to migrate certain things that I want
To finish, I working with ionic and angular since 2017, and @SimonGrimm was my first teacher to learn this framework, thanks for all Simon!! Greetings from Mexico
2024. I have and still my apps on Playstore with over 50K downloads and 1% crash rate. Cordova may not be dominant but I still love it. I am looking to switch to Capacitor JS
6:50 "if you want to have the most what between your application then we would be" the most what between your application? Can't make out what you're saying there. The auto subtitles says "co-chair" but that means "a person who chairs a meeting jointly with another or others" which is not what I think you wanted to say.
@@dleonardo3238 did you even see how your website looks compated to flutter? Like some old dinosaur. The way how patch notes are written and how community reacts? Maybe you can render faster than Flutter's new impeller engine?) Even native can't. Your kmp is a dead born technology. When Flutter was made it was solving a problem of performance and coding simplicity in react native, what does kmp try to solve in Flutter?) Flutter is perfect and until there is no problems it's impossible to replace with some dull kmp..
Godot can do cross platform GUI also. And some think it has the most elegant and pleasant developer experience compared to other cross-platform options.
@@encapsulatio well, I don't think its hard to imagine... it will have bigger files, redundent packages like physics engine, 3d rendering engline, unnecessary shaders etc. In unity atleast you cannot strip all of these cuz its in the core library of unity. I am not sure about godot though
How can you consider Flutter being closer to Native than React Native? Regarding code sharing, you can share, logic UI and navigation code between web and mobile with RN now using Tamagui / Solito (or Expo Router) and good old React.
Flutter is more to native because of their components. Material components are v3 and Cupertino/iOS are up to date too unlike Ionic and RN. RN is stuck in Material 1 and Ionic is stuck at material 2. You also have Platform Channel where you can send messages between the native code and the flutter layer.
@@denoic Do you mean from a design point of view? Because flutter isn't actually rendering any native components right? It's just rendering something that looks like the native components. That is part of the reason that things like Input fields and Scrollview have been a bit problematic in Flutter from what I've heard. Saying something is more native because it has a newer design (something you can actually fix yourself quite easy) has extremely little to do with something actually being more native imo. In React Native you can actually render any native component from Android/iOS right but that's not really an option in Flutter from what I've heard? I know burnt has wrapped some native components on iOS at least (SPIndicator and SPAlert.) and there is nothing that stops you from doing the same with any native component in React Native right?
I‘m not so deep in this topic, but I read that Flutter apps are compiled to native machine code, resulting in potentially better performance and more predictable behavior. Maybe thats the reason? Or the fact that widgets are drawn directly on the canvas, which can make the user interface feel more native because it's not just a WebView or a JavaScript bridge?
@@user-tf4cd2rw3t The bridge in React Native is exactly the same thing Flutter developers call Platform Channels; Asynchonous serialized message communication between native platforms and C++ then to C++ and JS/Flutter, I'm amazed how people speaks of brigde performance when Flutter has literaly the same solution in place, when speaking of UI rendering, yes UI calls can be expensive if you're writing really bad react code, otherwise you'd not notice their impact at all. The bridge is currently a legacy feature as people are moving to the new rendering system that can perform optimizations on how RN draws it's components to your screen, not to mention communication is now fully synchronous with native modules, some libraries have had serious performance improvements due to this. In terms of performance RN compiles JS to bytecode in contrast to JIT compilation performed by V8 or JSC, Amazon is also contributing to create a version of Hermes (RN JS engine) that can compile to machine code, right now is a experimental feature. If I'm honest with you people really exagerate this performance topic, one can barely any difference among them.
To be fair, Xamarin and Flutter can build to desktop apps but its not the best at what they do. I wonder if we ever see a time where there is a true cross-platform framework that is able to support desktop, web and mobile platforms without penalty. Tauri sounded promising as they can build desktop apps and aim to support mobile apps. Too bad that it is a webview though and not truely native. Let's see.
@@adnankhalil9640 ah ok. yea just checking. because the dev at work was asked to use flutter to make our app, which is an angular project pushed through webviews in android studio and xcode. but we havent done it for Huawei. so yea, good to know it will automatically translate to Huawei as well.
I never like this kinds of video, you don't say anything new or add value to the video by saying that it's the user's opinion. In your video you could add different scenarios where the frameworks would be more beneficial. Anyway keep up with your work.. been following you since ionic 1
It's not about the users opinion, it's about the project requirements. I previously gave recommendations for when to use which framework in this video btw: th-cam.com/video/-tTVYqyNZas/w-d-xo.html But thanks nonetheless, might create another more detailed video on when a specific framework shines the most!
@@mustafajaan4131 Bitcoin was the best opportunity people had and will never have again in their lives, still 99% of them heart about it for the first time 10 years after it saw the light. Wait and see.
Nice video. Honestly, I think most if not all the current cross platform methods suck. I am left trading performance, applications size, ... Honestly, at this point I'm pretty much feel like saying forget all of them and just stick with C/C++. I can cover windows and linux with using SDL, SDL can also be used with android and ios if I ever choose to support it.
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Just remembering: Flutter is migrating to the Impeller engine, leaving Skia behind. It's already open to development for iOS apps if I remember correctly, but still not fully suported in all platforms.
The title is missing "mobile" in the string. Qt, etc?
surprisingly, the slint framework with rust is very good, I tried the demo GUI application, the animation is very smooth and fast,
I don't know if it's better than flutter because it uses rust which is very fast, flutter uses the new Render impeller.
It's interesting, but it seems like they don't have mobile support yet. And it also has subscriptions and royalties.
It would be nice to mention Compose Multiplatform , even though it's still in alpha, it's disgustingly strong enough for established tools
Not in alpha anymore 🎉 compose with wasm looks promising too
@@dleonardo3238 Flutter has wasm, too)
@@dleonardo3238 ios and web still in alpha
I think Google just got rid of the Skia rendering engine in flutter. They created Impeller from scratch.
Oh nice sounds interesting!
Hi Simon, I was wondering if you would mind stating what you think the best choice would be of these three in my case? I am starting what is primarily a web application for businesses that will have a B2C portal available later in development via an app. As I am likely to be the sole developer on this for a while, I thought it would be best to use a cross-platform application for the initial delivery of the product, then maybe switch to using a dedicated native app build later down the line. I already have react experience, but I am happy learning anything. Thanks!
is there a platform to make a cross platform app on a Windows machine?
How do you not include MAUI in this?
You forgot the big thing of 2023, Kotlin multi platform mobile is stable version today. Just announced. I’m Java developer and I bet on KMM or Kotlin compose for the future
Behind the Code: Simon's Journey through Software History. I sense a new series...
Maybe a good podcast episode...
I'm curious to know why you switched from Angular to React Native - I don't think you answered that in this video? PS: I disagree with you with respect to PWAs, they are the definitive cross-platform environment, and now that Apple is finally supporting push notifications from web apps the need to go though the App Store is eliminated for PWAs.
I'm curious where or when I said that I switched from Angular to React Native? Because that's not true.
@@galaxies_dev You made a comment (where the twits hang out) on May 15 that seemed pretty definitive that you were going to focus on React Native exclusively in the future. I must have misunderstood?
Hey. How can i upgrade from ionioc 3 to latest
such a useful introduction to the software of making apps, thank you!
I am using ionic 6 and angular 14 and works perfect but I see with my customers that it's not more necessary make a native application because he prefers an website with sms and emails notifications and email and phone to auth, so I guess the demand for mobile apps will decline in the coming years with iOS 16 update that now add push notifications so this a big news for html5 webpages
Continue...
I think the volume of people that he wants native mobile applications is going to reduce in next year's but obviously forever we have a customers with more specific requeriments for her systems
So how can you create project by using angular 14
because when I create project, it installs the latest version of Angular available
@@onlydev4099 because you using "ionic start" to create new projects, I just clone existing projects
@@onlydev4099 I working with ionic 6 and 14 since 2021. So I have a many projects with that dependencies, I have old experiences with ionic updates so I found many solutions to not use ionic start anymore and that's because it's a nightmare use ionic start, actually I don't want update to ionic 7, maybe later when the internet have a more information to migrate certain things that I want
To finish, I working with ionic and angular since 2017, and @SimonGrimm was my first teacher to learn this framework, thanks for all Simon!! Greetings from Mexico
Forget React Native, stick with flatter and enjoy life :)
Flutter web is suck fro cross platform app react native win
2024. I have and still my apps on Playstore with over 50K downloads and 1% crash rate.
Cordova may not be dominant but I still love it.
I am looking to switch to Capacitor JS
I think that Cordova is quite good now, many improvements have been done last few years
what about kmp ?!
what about Kotlin?
Why never mention Python? Kivy not a good alternative? Then Kotlin not interesting enough?
JS is king
Im vary surprised that you did not mentioned KMP and Compose Multiplatform
6:50 "if you want to have the most what between your application then we would be" the most what between your application? Can't make out what you're saying there. The auto subtitles says "co-chair" but that means "a person who chairs a meeting jointly with another or others" which is not what I think you wanted to say.
code share
Is it subliminal messaging calling cordova cadaver?
"Kotlin Multiplatform crying in corner with Compose Multiplatform" for Recognition
Kotlin Multiplatform FTW the benefits of both native and current hybrid solutions :)
You missed Xojo. That does kinda almost All platforms, one Xojo language and IDE. Native code!
Flutter is the king. One day it will render faster than native. Others can't really compete with it :)
Kmp>flutter
@@dleonardo3238 did you even see how your website looks compated to flutter? Like some old dinosaur. The way how patch notes are written and how community reacts?
Maybe you can render faster than Flutter's new impeller engine?) Even native can't. Your kmp is a dead born technology.
When Flutter was made it was solving a problem of performance and coding simplicity in react native, what does kmp try to solve in Flutter?) Flutter is perfect and until there is no problems it's impossible to replace with some dull kmp..
@@dleonardo3238 Stop eating too much mushrooms mate^^ Flutter is so much better, it's not even a debate.
@@dleonardo3238 just interesting, what do you think is better in kmp?
Stop with the debates and just build
That was fantastic and helpful. Thank you !
Godot can do cross platform GUI also. And some think it has the most elegant and pleasant developer experience compared to other cross-platform options.
So does unity but why use a game engine ? It would add unnecessary bottlenecks
if you claim it to be a bottleneck then you have to show proof it actually is in practice.
@@encapsulatio well, I don't think its hard to imagine... it will have bigger files, redundent packages like physics engine, 3d rendering engline, unnecessary shaders etc. In unity atleast you cannot strip all of these cuz its in the core library of unity. I am not sure about godot though
You forgot Kotlin Multiplatform :(
You forgot the best multiplatform framework KMP
Thanks for the content! Why jet pack compose of android is not include in the list
Because it isn’t available on iOS yet afaik.
HI Simon, How can I use Ionic start with angular 14 bcuz when Ionic start to create project,
it installs the latest version of angular
Why wouldn't you use the latest version of Angular?
Use containers
How can you consider Flutter being closer to Native than React Native?
Regarding code sharing, you can share, logic UI and navigation code between web and mobile with RN now using Tamagui / Solito (or Expo Router) and good old React.
Flutter is more to native because of their components. Material components are v3 and Cupertino/iOS are up to date too unlike Ionic and RN. RN is stuck in Material 1 and Ionic is stuck at material 2. You also have Platform Channel where you can send messages between the native code and the flutter layer.
@@denoic Do you mean from a design point of view? Because flutter isn't actually rendering any native components right? It's just rendering something that looks like the native components. That is part of the reason that things like Input fields and Scrollview have been a bit problematic in Flutter from what I've heard. Saying something is more native because it has a newer design (something you can actually fix yourself quite easy) has extremely little to do with something actually being more native imo.
In React Native you can actually render any native component from Android/iOS right but that's not really an option in Flutter from what I've heard?
I know burnt has wrapped some native components on iOS at least (SPIndicator and SPAlert.) and there is nothing that stops you from doing the same with any native component in React Native right?
I‘m not so deep in this topic, but I read that Flutter apps are compiled to native machine code, resulting in potentially better performance and more predictable behavior. Maybe thats the reason? Or the fact that widgets are drawn directly on the canvas, which can make the user interface feel more native because it's not just a WebView or a JavaScript bridge?
@@user-tf4cd2rw3t The bridge in React Native is exactly the same thing Flutter developers call Platform Channels; Asynchonous serialized message communication between native platforms and C++ then to C++ and JS/Flutter, I'm amazed how people speaks of brigde performance when Flutter has literaly the same solution in place, when speaking of UI rendering, yes UI calls can be expensive if you're writing really bad react code, otherwise you'd not notice their impact at all.
The bridge is currently a legacy feature as people are moving to the new rendering system that can perform optimizations on how RN draws it's components to your screen, not to mention communication is now fully synchronous with native modules, some libraries have had serious performance improvements due to this.
In terms of performance RN compiles JS to bytecode in contrast to JIT compilation performed by V8 or JSC, Amazon is also contributing to create a version of Hermes (RN JS engine) that can compile to machine code, right now is a experimental feature.
If I'm honest with you people really exagerate this performance topic, one can barely any difference among them.
Maybe Kotlin Multiplatform will take this place soon
Maybe...maybe not 🤷♂️
@@galaxies_dev I'm sure that it works for Desktop and Android, cuz I'm making them both, also it works unstable for Web and iOS
@@gazim_soliev why do you think kmp will take the place?
@@_hudeifa23 cuz it's comfortable to use it, and it has nice performance and supports multiple platforms even by specific system.
Qt?
Cross plateform is often ignoring PC :(
They are all making advancements in that area right now!
Not necessarily, a PWA can be installed on a PC desktop.
Tauri is promising in this area.
Flutter has support for all, currently little unstable though. Don't know about other frameworks
To be fair, Xamarin and Flutter can build to desktop apps but its not the best at what they do. I wonder if we ever see a time where there is a true cross-platform framework that is able to support desktop, web and mobile platforms without penalty. Tauri sounded promising as they can build desktop apps and aim to support mobile apps. Too bad that it is a webview though and not truely native. Let's see.
What about Titanium sdk
Hey, nice video!! I have a question for you. What are your thoughts on Kotlin Multi Platform? Thanks ^^
Haven't worked with that one yet!
@@galaxies_dev Kotlin Multiplatform with Compose, next level fully native.
@@seanknowles9985, except web, because WASM is not a native web
electron ??
Your suggestion is good one.. ❤ from India
Can anyone tell me if Flutter and React Native properly translates to Huawei as well?
Ofcourse it can huawei uses apk files since they used android operating system
@@adnankhalil9640 ah ok. yea just checking. because the dev at work was asked to use flutter to make our app, which is an angular project pushed through webviews in android studio and xcode. but we havent done it for Huawei. so yea, good to know it will automatically translate to Huawei as well.
How ababout maui ?
.NET Maui will be dominate in the future❤
I never like this kinds of video, you don't say anything new or add value to the video by saying that it's the user's opinion. In your video you could add different scenarios where the frameworks would be more beneficial. Anyway keep up with your work.. been following you since ionic 1
It's not about the users opinion, it's about the project requirements. I previously gave recommendations for when to use which framework in this video btw: th-cam.com/video/-tTVYqyNZas/w-d-xo.html
But thanks nonetheless, might create another more detailed video on when a specific framework shines the most!
No word on KMM???
Bro i think kmm doesn't even exist cuz people doesn't use it
@@mustafajaan4131 Bitcoin was the best opportunity people had and will never have again in their lives, still 99% of them heart about it for the first time 10 years after it saw the light. Wait and see.
❤ from India
👋 from Germany
Mmmm whats about Jetpack Compose ?
Haven't used yet, but seems to be only useful for ANdroid?
@@galaxies_dev there is now KMM or Kotlin Multiplatform Mobile which is NOT for Android only
@@galaxies_dev Kotlin Multiplatform is great for both IOS and Android
@@dleonardo3238 NO WAY.
I really think that the decision of Ionic company of leaving Cordova in favor of Capacitor was a mistake.
Why?
Maui... iPhone, Android, Mac, Windows, XBox, Apple Watch, Linux...
why is this video 9 minutes long?
Nice video. Honestly, I think most if not all the current cross platform methods suck. I am left trading performance, applications size, ... Honestly, at this point I'm pretty much feel like saying forget all of them and just stick with C/C++. I can cover windows and linux with using SDL, SDL can also be used with android and ios if I ever choose to support it.
nice