Some of these are incomparable like for example Energizer and Reactors and also mad and rocket storm as they’re used for different things. Top path sub would never be used for dps and mad has moab dmg while rocket storm has small bloom dmg. Good comparison otherwise
If we talk about pure damage, it's a good comparison, but you have to take into account passive abilities and/or space utilization, also consider that some become more support towers than damage, as such I just think that the 5xx ninja doesn't compensate, although I haven't tried to compare them on my own a couple of updates ago (I used the translator to write this, sorry if it's wrong xD)
This just goes to show that other than the t5’s that completely change the tower (like mad) and the t5’s that buff the towers around them (like sub commander) getting a t5 is almost always better than getting a lot of t4’s
the main problem about the water based tier 5 is the fact most of them act as a support to the rest of their tier 4 (etc) this is also the reason why some people think Admiral Brickell is weak.
for example I only buy the tier 5 bottom buccanneer if I can place at least more 3 or 2 bottom paths buccanneers otherwise isnt worth to buy that tier 5.
same thing happens to the tier 5 top path buccanneer, in fact 3 tier 4 can beat the tier 5 but buying the buff is always worth it if you have others water based towers or aces.
Ok the sub comparisons are not great but the middle path heli oof? Its like comparing an expensive phone with a gun of the same prize and saying that the gun does more dmg than the phone XD.
420 is lowkey OP imo xD Can pretty much every solo evey bloon to 49, kills every lead/purple instantly, decamos instantly with no limit..for like 3k hes solid and theres literally 0 reason to not build him when theres a good spot in the front :D
The fact that Preemptive Strike (X-5-X sub) instantly kills any DDT that spawns (even fortified if buffed by sub commander) makes it the most reliable anti-ddt tower in the game when there's water (and now even without, with mermonkey)
@@IlikeajawRocket storm vs M.A.D, rocket storm is amazing against clusters of ceramics and regular balloons but isn’t the greatest against something like the B.A.D. While the M.A.D is amazing against moab class balloons but isn’t good against regular balloons. They are both good for their own reasons so they’re incomparable since they both do very different things.
Omg people stop criticizing this guy for making a fair test for all towers. If he were to change the bloons to cater the towers needs then it would be extremely unfair
that... isn't the role of a top path sniper but ok lol funny top path sub comparison but i mean it'd go the same way with bloons as well lol. is there ever a reason to get more than one reactor on a single-lane map? good thing pre-emptive has the entire point of the upgrade... (Not that First Strike doesn't get stronger but still, I'd think that DDTs vs Megalodon would mean DDTs vs Pre-Emptive.) Yeah that Sub Commander thing doesn't matter for the same reason as Banana Central And Carrier Flagship has bonus platforms and an even more general buff than Sub Commander or Banana Central, so... And the lack of crosspaths definitely has a huge impact... Bottom path boat does not do notable later-game damage without grapes. And that's ANOTHER Banana Central case. shoulda had a ZOMG rush for Pop & Awe to show off their ability stunning better
Ok here's a list: -cripple Moab used for damage boosting -elite sniper used for sniper attack speed -supply drop used for farm -energizer used for cooldowns -reactor also used for cooldowns -preemptive used to damage groups of smaller moabs -sub commander used to buff other subs (lmao he's called a commander fighting by himself is hilarious) -aircraft carrier used to buff other water towers and for placement of land towers -pirate lord did get a buff recently as well as monkey pirates, and monkey pirates spam may be more essential for races -trad empire is meant to be an empire not one boat... Lol -sky shredder could be bought for DDT popping as it pops lead and by itself is easier to micro -tsar bomb often used for stunning Moab class Bloons late game (especially those pesky ddts) -once again flying fortress is easier to micro, yes micro helps on flying fortress a little bit -special operation farming is op in boss events can pick up other strong towers -commanche commander has permanent uptime whilst in longer rounds comanche defense may falter -biggest one once again used for stuns and easier micro -pop and awe also used for stun at times, but artillery battery could have practical implications in races -blooncineration used to defortify zomgs and higher dps whilst shattering shells mostly for 98 cheap solution -ray of doom not used for BAD damage more for cleanup -rocket storm used for Ceram damage and with monkey knowledge stun, but MAD used for Moab class DMG I have probably missed some or made a mistake feel free to correct me or add more, and obviously crosspathing may change results, also some saveups are harder, especially in chimps
kinda felt like some of the tests were specific rounds to make one of the paths win, even if it wasnt representative of their use case. particularly the energizer/ reactors. nobodys getting either of these to pop moab class bloons. also, GZ vs tsar bomba. These towers are not used for single target damage.
I prefer the ship with two plataforms and planes because you can put some towers in there like an sniper or something like that but in damage alone is better the a few of the previous tier
ZOMGs: “Oh noooooo you’ve got a single 5-0-2 sniper, better get stuck at the entrance until you pop me down to MOABs” BADs: “Haha, I’m completely immune to all abilities and upper-tier attacks that slow, stun, knockback or insta-kill; I just keep coming! Hippity hoppity, your lives are now my property! Oh, and did I forget to mention that I contain 3 DDTs in addition to the 2 ZOMGs?”
as already pointed out some of these arent quite comparable not to mention that on the ace you actually cheated on as you microed the t5 so that all projectiles hit while the t4 had to rely on luck to hit (obviously you cant micro 9 operation dartstorms but for FAIR comparison sky shredder should not have been microed either)
@@pedrobello8916 no i didnt. as i said you cant micro 9ods but due to that for fairnes you should also not micro the skyschredder since it WILL deal more damage if it gets microd wich is obviouse
@@TerragonAndArgon but if someone spammed 9ODS it would be impossible to micro but just 1 ace to micro is really eazy, so if someone would be doing a 2tc with the sky shredder they WOULD micro the sky shredder, but not 9 ODS
@@pedrobello8916 yes. But for a fair comparison stat whise if one can't be microed but the other can you either forbid to micro the latter or use a compensation for the first (in this case 1 ods with micro that result x9) cuz otherwise youd have a situation in for example olimpics where you allow a super Sportler to take drugs but the 9 newbies that are his opponents and are there for the first time aren't allowed too. Its not fair. Wich in a comparison/compatition needs to be the case for the result to be meaningful. The fact that i need to explain what fair comparison means already is sad
@TerragonAndArgon but you can actually micro the sky shredder... that's what you do when using it. If one tower can be microed for greater effect and the other can't, that's a downside for the tower that can't be, and should be shown in the test.
The carrier t4 is better with grapeshot build and why change center path location... wingmonkey mode does the same thing with less effort and wasn't a fair comparison as the multi t4 was just left alone
I think some of these are wrong like the monkey ace having 100000 pops from one BAD even though it should only get roughly 60k so he might have upgraded one he already used Edit tested it: it only got 76k pops even after using one of the four spectres that already went up Against the bad so I don’t what he did but it wasn’t a fair test😊
@@Venom-hi8kqsandbox can have MK but i do think bloons killer doesn’t use MK for these tests update: nevermind, they do, i see the ceramic shock MK on the sniper tests
Gotta love some of these guys in the comments who think they're some btd experts, like brodies, we know what towers are more support than raw damage, the guy making the video also does, so stop with the "Erm actually 🤓" ahh behavior. The video showed exactly what it was meant to, compare damage (mostly against 1 bad), that's it, it ain't that deep. 🎯 🐒
Don't forget, guys. Some of these towers are weaker than their tier 4 because the tier 5 is more used as a support tower and not as damaging ones.
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Some of these are incomparable like for example Energizer and Reactors and also mad and rocket storm as they’re used for different things. Top path sub would never be used for dps and mad has moab dmg while rocket storm has small bloom dmg. Good comparison otherwise
Energizer can be use for hordes like ceramic rushes
The radiation effect of reactors also don't stack, so if a Bloon is inside range of 2 reactors, it will still do the damage of 1
I try to make more accurate videos by reading the tips in the comments. Thanks! :)
If you can afford energizer for ceramic rushes there are way better options
Buaaa buaaa
This man’s fingers when he did the mortar monkey. He was constantly microing like 5 things at once.
"this mans fingers when he did the moab monkey" raised eyebrow emoji
At a sus perspective this sounds really sus 😳
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**rock eyebrow raise**
Man, your reply full of corn addict
If we talk about pure damage, it's a good comparison, but you have to take into account passive abilities and/or space utilization, also consider that some become more support towers than damage, as such I just think that the 5xx ninja doesn't compensate, although I haven't tried to compare them on my own a couple of updates ago (I used the translator to write this, sorry if it's wrong xD)
This just goes to show that other than the t5’s that completely change the tower (like mad) and the t5’s that buff the towers around them (like sub commander) getting a t5 is almost always better than getting a lot of t4’s
Some of these aren't quite comparable, like sub commander is meant to buff other subs so he is weaker by himself
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But sub commander buffs himself harder than other subs
No he buffs himself the same amount so he’s just a ap darts with sub commander buff tbh
It’s comparable by every sense
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Was NOT expecting cripple moab to do that much
cripple moab best tower in the game
@Unknow_zz In our hearts fr
For the main Moab, if you have a 4-0-0, a 4-0-1, and a 4-0-2 a ZOMG will not be able to successfully kill you on its own.
Yeah cripple is lowk underrated they can deal mad damage to single targets
Should have moved the reactors to cover the entire loop because their damage does not overlap with each other.
I respect the mortar micro you did there
the main problem about the water based tier 5 is the fact most of them act as a support to the rest of their tier 4 (etc)
this is also the reason why some people think Admiral Brickell is weak.
for example I only buy the tier 5 bottom buccanneer if I can place at least more 3 or 2 bottom paths buccanneers otherwise isnt worth to buy that tier 5.
same thing happens to the tier 5 top path buccanneer, in fact 3 tier 4 can beat the tier 5 but buying the buff is always worth it if you have others water based towers or aces.
Brickell's family work like that, everyone supports everyone.
Result 15:45
Thank
Ok the sub comparisons are not great but the middle path heli oof? Its like comparing an expensive phone with a gun of the same prize and saying that the gun does more dmg than the phone XD.
0:56 i thinked its a mosquito
Damn I did not know that Bloontonium Reactor was that strong
its main strength is the ability to quickly remove ceramics
420 is lowkey OP imo xD
Can pretty much every solo evey bloon to 49, kills every lead/purple instantly, decamos instantly with no limit..for like 3k hes solid and theres literally 0 reason to not build him when theres a good spot in the front :D
@@derbabo8455I mean so can like any other t4 but speak
@@emooyayayaBut decamo basically makes no village needed IF the water is in a good spot
@@mmhhgabe4599 came village is cheaper lol
Middle path sub is mainly used for ddt rushes
Ye
No??
I use top path for that. Decamo and let other towers do this. Mid path is amazing in boss rushes
The fact that Preemptive Strike (X-5-X sub) instantly kills any DDT that spawns (even fortified if buffed by sub commander) makes it the most reliable anti-ddt tower in the game when there's water (and now even without, with mermonkey)
@Totallytherealkittyes it is, it one shots any day that gets spawned till round 00
you can compare them but you can't decide who's better. Some of them has their own unique purposes in upgrading.
Example?
@@IlikeajawRocket storm vs M.A.D, rocket storm is amazing against clusters of ceramics and regular balloons but isn’t the greatest against something like the B.A.D. While the M.A.D is amazing against moab class balloons but isn’t good against regular balloons. They are both good for their own reasons so they’re incomparable since they both do very different things.
Omg people stop criticizing this guy for making a fair test for all towers. If he were to change the bloons to cater the towers needs then it would be extremely unfair
that... isn't the role of a top path sniper but ok lol
funny top path sub comparison but i mean it'd go the same way with bloons as well lol. is there ever a reason to get more than one reactor on a single-lane map?
good thing pre-emptive has the entire point of the upgrade... (Not that First Strike doesn't get stronger but still, I'd think that DDTs vs Megalodon would mean DDTs vs Pre-Emptive.)
Yeah that Sub Commander thing doesn't matter for the same reason as Banana Central
And Carrier Flagship has bonus platforms and an even more general buff than Sub Commander or Banana Central, so...
And the lack of crosspaths definitely has a huge impact... Bottom path boat does not do notable later-game damage without grapes. And that's ANOTHER Banana Central case.
shoulda had a ZOMG rush for Pop & Awe to show off their ability stunning better
I like getting a 4-1-0 a 4-0-1 and a 4-0-2 sniper; prevents a ZOMG from moving at all
The micro here is CRAZY
Sniper monkey path top 0:01
Sniper monkey path middle 0:53
Sniper monkey path bottom 1:44
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Submarine monkey path top 2:23
Submarine monkey path middle 3:00
Submarine monkey path bottom 3:43
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Monkey buccaneer path top
Monkey buccaneer path middle
Monkey buccaneer path bottom
If i reach 5 comments or 5 likes i will continue
Ok here's a list:
-cripple Moab used for damage boosting
-elite sniper used for sniper attack speed
-supply drop used for farm
-energizer used for cooldowns
-reactor also used for cooldowns
-preemptive used to damage groups of smaller moabs
-sub commander used to buff other subs (lmao he's called a commander fighting by himself is hilarious)
-aircraft carrier used to buff other water towers and for placement of land towers
-pirate lord did get a buff recently as well as monkey pirates, and monkey pirates spam may be more essential for races
-trad empire is meant to be an empire not one boat... Lol
-sky shredder could be bought for DDT popping as it pops lead and by itself is easier to micro
-tsar bomb often used for stunning Moab class Bloons late game (especially those pesky ddts)
-once again flying fortress is easier to micro, yes micro helps on flying fortress a little bit
-special operation farming is op in boss events can pick up other strong towers
-commanche commander has permanent uptime whilst in longer rounds comanche defense may falter
-biggest one once again used for stuns and easier micro
-pop and awe also used for stun at times, but artillery battery could have practical implications in races
-blooncineration used to defortify zomgs and higher dps whilst shattering shells mostly for 98 cheap solution
-ray of doom not used for BAD damage more for cleanup
-rocket storm used for Ceram damage and with monkey knowledge stun, but MAD used for Moab class DMG
I have probably missed some or made a mistake feel free to correct me or add more, and obviously crosspathing may change results, also some saveups are harder, especially in chimps
Bro really tested Chinooks vs. SPOP💀💀
They also tested Energizer vs bloontonium reactor 🗿
Also he said SPOP won but the Chinooks made more money
@@andrewmetcalfe7762100 more. And spop almost popped the b.a.d
Whats a Chinook
@@pryceharlin8856what’s SPOP
for ceramic testing, you should prob do round 63 or 78, 98 for clump damage and 100 for single target
The video is great, it helped me a lot and it's very well done
03:15 fun fact about this
For some reason, you can kill a bad and everything inside with 2 of these towers, but with 3 you can't
You can, he's just bad at timing
Great video, well done!
keep in mind that single tower is easier to buff with alch
some of these are pretty impressive, awesome video btw! :D
kinda felt like some of the tests were specific rounds to make one of the paths win, even if it wasnt representative of their use case. particularly the energizer/ reactors. nobodys getting either of these to pop moab class bloons. also, GZ vs tsar bomba. These towers are not used for single target damage.
I can't believe the tier 5 monkeys would pay him to make them look better in the vid and win against their tier 4 😮😮😮
Super underrated. I hope you make it far😊
quality > quantity
No crosspath tests aren't really practically very useful.
Yeah, i instantly thought of that too
I prefer the ship with two plataforms and planes because you can put some towers in there like an sniper or something like that but in damage alone is better the a few of the previous tier
Did you know there’s a mod that allows you to have the mortars follow the cursor similar to striker jones’ ability
Did anybody notice the big one started shooting on beat
That ace micro was fire ngl
Though it would make sense to max crosspath each tower
more money
I did not expect that honestly
ZOMGs: “Oh noooooo you’ve got a single 5-0-2 sniper, better get stuck at the entrance until you pop me down to MOABs”
BADs: “Haha, I’m completely immune to all abilities and upper-tier attacks that slow, stun, knockback or insta-kill; I just keep coming! Hippity hoppity, your lives are now my property! Oh, and did I forget to mention that I contain 3 DDTs in addition to the 2 ZOMGs?”
I think the mortar monkey would have been more fair of a test if you’ve done Striker Jones ability to follow the bloon
Should’ve unsubmerged the subs for better stats or done max pierce test for towers that are more price like top sub or middle sniper
if you crosspath one tower you need to crosspath all of the towers
as already pointed out some of these arent quite comparable not to mention that on the ace you actually cheated on as you microed the t5 so that all projectiles hit while the t4 had to rely on luck to hit (obviously you cant micro 9 operation dartstorms but for FAIR comparison sky shredder should not have been microed either)
Dude you just ruined your own argument saying that they cant micro 9 ODS💀
@@pedrobello8916 no i didnt. as i said you cant micro 9ods but due to that for fairnes you should also not micro the skyschredder since it WILL deal more damage if it gets microd wich is obviouse
@@TerragonAndArgon but if someone spammed 9ODS it would be impossible to micro but just 1 ace to micro is really eazy, so if someone would be doing a 2tc with the sky shredder they WOULD micro the sky shredder, but not 9 ODS
@@pedrobello8916 yes. But for a fair comparison stat whise if one can't be microed but the other can you either forbid to micro the latter or use a compensation for the first (in this case 1 ods with micro that result x9) cuz otherwise youd have a situation in for example olimpics where you allow a super Sportler to take drugs but the 9 newbies that are his opponents and are there for the first time aren't allowed too. Its not fair. Wich in a comparison/compatition needs to be the case for the result to be meaningful.
The fact that i need to explain what fair comparison means already is sad
@TerragonAndArgon but you can actually micro the sky shredder... that's what you do when using it. If one tower can be microed for greater effect and the other can't, that's a downside for the tower that can't be, and should be shown in the test.
For mortar you can use strike Jones in a place where he cant pop balloons
For the shotgun dartling gunner id say it lost.
$10k more money for 1k more pops.
He could be secretly cross pathing the tier 5s and we’d never know
you're testing a lot of these against a single BAD when the tower is clearly meant for multiple stacks of enemies/high pierce.
The carrier t4 is better with grapeshot build and why change center path location... wingmonkey mode does the same thing with less effort and wasn't a fair comparison as the multi t4 was just left alone
I never realised cripple moab was that good in damage i thought it was a support tower
For the mortars: just use striker jones next time instead of having to manually control them
not sure why but it feels like i'm watching a 2012 video. it's prolly the music
Alot of these aren’t good on their own, however doesn’t make them bad towers
comparing one pre-emptive to 3 first strikes in an instance like that is missing the point of pre-emptive, its better for rushes not single targets
I think some of these are wrong like the monkey ace having 100000 pops from one BAD even though it should only get roughly 60k so he might have upgraded one he already used
Edit tested it: it only got 76k pops even after using one of the four spectres that already went up Against the bad so I don’t what he did but it wasn’t a fair test😊
Preemptive strike is still criminally underpowered
it's acually kinda annoying to see like 3 ceramics get by on ray of doom, like NK should totally like buff it-
Can anyone explain why flying fortress and apache prime have different pop count even though they popped the bad?
Flying Fortress popped a round 120 bad where Apache popped round 100
Ooo ok thanks
Trade empire and the tier 4 version aren't used for damage there used for money also damage with cross path hot shot
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Is there mk involved or is it just base towers, also nice vid
no mk cause its in sandbox
@@Venom-hi8kqsandbox can have MK but i do think bloons killer doesn’t use MK for these tests
update: nevermind, they do, i see the ceramic shock MK on the sniper tests
I haven't used mk in the video. Thanks for your comment!
@@BloonsKillers what is mk
@@IAMACTUALLYBLACKmonkey knowledge
With the mortar you should have used strikers ability
Now do tier 1 to tier 5 comparisson
Uhhh… yeah you can tell it’s impossible to compare
Something tells me somebody doesn't have wingmonkey unlocked lmao
Ahahahahah bro real
what mode is this? since bloon speed is affected
It's sandbox and the map is logs on easy map
I appreciate you aiming the mortar but it kinda ruins the results, read about a/b testing.
Remember me also fire video
THAT MORTAR MICRO
Towers like bottom path sub, top path boat, and bottom path boat buff eachoter and cannot compare
the cripple moab only won because of the new buff, it would have lost horribly before
I LIKE THE FLYING FORTRESS❤
I love how my bro use monkey ace
While i will note some of these are not good, considering the use of the t5 vs t4, he at least was consistent.
This is like ranking pokemon based ONLY, and ONLY on ther main atrack.
Gotta love some of these guys in the comments who think they're some btd experts, like brodies, we know what towers are more support than raw damage, the guy making the video also does, so stop with the "Erm actually 🤓" ahh behavior. The video showed exactly what it was meant to, compare damage (mostly against 1 bad), that's it, it ain't that deep. 🎯 🐒
Can you use ablitties ??
First strike can pop it, just bad timing
U should use the clear baloons
i feel so bad for you about microing mortars
Bro really said 4,650 money for middle path heli tier 4 and 4,500 for teir five than said teir 5 won💀
Bruh Flying FORTRESS IS GOOD WITH CROSSPATH❤😂
2 words.
Fucking Insane.
4 words.,
Turn around and run
quality over quantity
He aimed with the tier 5 plane but not with tier 4
There was too many 💀
Reactor dmg fields dont stack.
Absolutely inaccurate comparison of first strikes vs preemptive. Vs multiple blimps preemptive would easily win.
Price doesn't matter with damage
Sniper uper path Tobe fair did just get a 3× damage buff
tier 6 VS tier 5?
There's no tier 6, toer 6 would actually be paragons but not all military monkeys have paragons
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Everyone, let's face it. M.A.D. is the weakest form of dartling gunner.
Wow some quit balanced sniper darling morter
Yeah but testing Pop and awe on a bad is just meeehhh
@@derbabo8455 ye pop and awe sucks but i meant as balanced even with equal price 4 tiers vs 5th 5th tier wins which is balanced
Pre emptive strike is ment for many moab class bloons vs first strike is for one, wrong compqrison
bro set target morter master]
Guys, can you tell me how to play in this mode, because I can't find it
sandbox?
It's sandbox mode beat a game or two and you get it😅
This shows that tier 5 is superior
hi
Pop and awe I good with not good with without the abi
Bloontonium reactors don't stack!!!!
what’s with all this criticism?????
It’s 6v1 bruv