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Honesty, I never really understood the object mon hate myself. They're really not so bad. Especially since Chandelure is pretty universallly loved from what I see
Honest opinion, I think trubish and garboder are waaay too overheated, the only thing I dislike on garboder is just that his arms are on different levels, other than that, I genuinely looks good, and I think is a way better grimer/muk replacement in the sence that garboder and trubish actually look significantly different and not just like the first stage got fatter. Vanilite is OK, but I think they could have shown better that it's an icicle covered in snow, maybe not have the face on the snow that is covering its body, and a bit of a different face, silly pokemon are fine, but it needs a contrast in personality, looks, concept or something, Vanilite is silly all around, there is no contrast in it that can offset the silly in my opinion, if it had a more mischievous face or it kidnaped children like driftloon, I think it would have been less hated
Chandelure is my fav mon, and magnemite is the cutest thing ever. Also, dont get what ppl even dislike about object mons, maybe just most of them arent good designs or sth
I mean, online I've seen almost nothing but love for it, but I have actually seen gen wunners heckle chandelure cosplayers and several other newer 'mon cosplayers (Literally In Real Life) before. So. Sleep well tonight knowing people like that exist.
Might be a cultural thing too, since in Japan there are yokai that are living objects, and when other folks don't know that, they deride them for being 'boring'.
It was funny being online and see the changes of opinion happening about Aegislash People HATED it because it's an object possessed, after some time people LOVED it because: 1. Sword 2. Ghost 3. Competitive Monster 4. Edgy 5. Potentially cool nicknames 6. Shiny colors Humans are such mysterious and confusing creatures
@@Gloomdrakeyeah, especially to Chandelure. Everyone really hated them just because it looks like an object rather than creature. But after a while, it’s some of everyone’s favorite because it’s a ghost, fire, has a cool noise, very competitive, and it has a cool shiny. Humans truly are mysterious.
The Vanillite line aren't even real ice cream. They're just icicles covered in snow. Though I imagine the ice cream shapes and the simple cutesy faces are meant to invoke the image of old-fashioned restaurant mascots - y'know, classic kitschy Americano. And hey, maybe Ghost is one of my favorite types because they can reasonably be just about anything - dolls, yokai, balloons, coffins, candles, jack-o-lanterns, piles of sand, costumers, tea sets, stealth bombers, Izanami dragon, etc.
I remember when Honedge was first revealed a lot of people began to draw all sorts of people holding it in various poses, ready to fight with their sword pokemon. And then the dex entry for Honedge about it absorbing the soul of who ever holds it's hilt was revealed and everyone did a collective "eggghhhh. Oops."
I honestly don't get it. I actually like the ones that are objects. After all, there's nothing wrong with a variety of all kinds. Even if it's just objects. Also, the idea of cursed objects isn't as crazy as you think. I know a lot of different ones that I could see becoming new Pokemon at some point.
I guess the issue is more about the "twists" or the type of object they start from that cause issue for some people. Like yeah, Aegislash and its line are fine. But then you got the Vanilluxe line and Klefki who are a bit "off" (in my personal opinion again).
@@Juju2927 ”How do we make an icecream Pokémon” “Well, what if it was an icicle that puts snow on its head in the shape of icecream, but when the snow melts it drips to the bottom of the cone and refreezes like icicles normally do and thus, gives itself eternal life!” “How do we exemplify the trickster nature of fairies?” “Let’s make a fairy that steals a valuable item, like important keys, and make it a little fairy shaped like a key ring so it can carry a lot of keys!” I’m paraphrasing but I find these significantly more interesting than “It’s a haunted sword seeking vengeance and bloodshed”
Yeah animated objects are such a ubiquitous concept in fantasy, I don't get why people don't like them. I literally used a bunch of magically animated swords in my DnD campaign today
Fun fact: The German names of Honedge and Duoblade make some additional references to mythical swords. Honedge's name, Gramokles, references yet another sword from norse mythology, Gram, which was used by Sigurd to slay the dragon Fafnir. The name Gramokles, and also, Duokles, Duoblade's german name, also reference the Sword of Damocles, which is pretty fitting. These Pokemon are literal Swords of Damocles, constantly putting their own weilder's life at threat by absorbing their life energy. (also Aegislash's name is Durengard which is probably a reference to the Durendal)
@@SuperDanMan11100And then they might say "b-but my object yokai!" like that 1) isn't one of the inspirations for all the subsequent object Pokémon and 2) excuses what, by their own self-proclaimed metric, is bad design.
The Aegislash line is genuinely one of my favorite evolution lines in the series. I started with X, and seeing Honedge for the first time was just incredible. Gen 6 really is underrated, and I’m happy to see it get even a little recognition
I just noticed that when Aegislash is in Shield Forme, the dots on its shield turn white like eyes like the pre-evolutions, which makes the pattern around the circles look like teeth, so the shield is actually three faces that share three eyes, and I cannot unsee it now.
@@thecannonball34 Because the designs themselves are lazy, I wouldn’t mind objectmons if they were better done. Like Tangela for example, that thing is supposed to be a living noodle dish isn’t it? Yet it still looks like a pokemon. On the other hand, we have a sword… With, like, an eye around the hilt… That’s it.
I actually never minded the object Pokemon. Maybe it came from watching Dora the Explorer as a toddler. While I never used it, I think the Aegislash line is cool. EDIT: I know about Legends ZA -Also if you ask me, the biggest mistake Pokemon did was the lack of a Pokemon Z-
Many of my favorits count into that group, chandalure, klefkey, as long as the concept and design are great...... The irony, of gen one and two being worst when it came to objects and lazy designers but gen oners complaining that new pokemon where "just somethingsomething"
I could've sworn one of the artists in charge of designing the megas straight up said in an interview he wanted to make one but couldn't think of a good design
I think otherwise. Personally I think Megas undermine the core concept of Pokémon evolution, where each stage is a separate character and not simply an animal growing older. Jigglypuff has notable design differences from Wigglytuff, and while you can understand they’re connected, Wigglytuff isn’t literally just Jigglypuff but more mature looking, it has the bunny ears and feet and that adds a new layer. Same reason why a lot of mid stage starters have random additions that then disappear, Charmeleon’s red skin, Croconaw’s caveman aesthetic, Raboot’s pocket. Megas a lot of the time just kinda added stuff on to a Pokémon. No real change, cause obviously it’s a form change not a proper evolution. The downside of this though is when you try to make a Mega for a Pokémon in a complete line with a finished concept and are unable to expand on it. Sure you could make “cooler Flygon” but you might also not do the design enough Justice or cater enough to fan demand. That’s what happened with Charizard and Mewtwo, then 1-3 months later they revealed “Heyyy, here’s the Mega X forms that just so happen to be everything the fans have been demanding in their outrage.” My point is Flygon is a wonderful Pokémon with a completed concept, just like Tyranitar, Metagross, and Garchomp. Adding a mega isn’t adding a new layer to the cake, it’s just injecting more cake into the layer that already exists. I’ve heard some argue “well they could make it a Bug type!” but I feel like for a Mega Flygon that would just be a direct downgrade as it loses STAB on ground moves, can’t learn many amazing bug moves, and trades it’s okay weakness spread for a whole bunch of new ones.
I remember some old fan art that interpreted the Honedge line as insects that gripped and infused themselves into swords. It was a really cool interpretation of a Pokémon, especially how unique it was
While the Gilgamesh from the Epic of Gilgamesh might not be known for using weapons, Gilgamesh in the Final Fantasy series is all about that. He goes around collecting the swords of every Final Fantasy protagonist, so in that way, they might also be referencing Final Fantasy's Gilgamesh.
@@MegaPokefan97and was the first monster.... I love how things that are spoken about as new concepts are found way back in mesopotamian writings, from non binary people and how they are under the protection of istar against discrimination to the sympathetic monster vs monterous hero...... Gilgamesh slayed a monster just minding it's own business protecting its forest and when enkidu stumbled upon him and the devastation he layed upon the guarded ground he questioned just what he thought to have done there, not at all happy with his best bro in the slightest
And maybe even the Fate series' Gilgamesh because he's seen carrying a sword called Ea which could only be wielded by Gilgamesh himself who is also seen wearing golden armor. He also has a Noble Phantasm called Gate of Babylon that opens up a large portal from behind him that sends out many different weapons.
Exactly! "Look! A cat that can breathe fire! A cat that controls plants! A cat that can swim underwater!" Seriously? Object mons a a break from that mold, and it almost never misses.
I agree, but I must note that poke'mon like Houndoom are pretty creative. A lot more than the poke'mon which are just a dog but [elemental]. That may be why sylveon was my favorite eveelution.
12:25 I just realized if you wheeled Aegislash the 2 spikes on his hilt that act as shoulders might just dig into your arm while holding it and do more damage to your then you're opposite so maybe draining your life force is code for bleeding
Even if you hate "object pokemon", the Aegislash is one of the best of all of them. Not only because of how recognizable it is as an object, but also the inspirations its pokedex entries are pulling from. If you hate the Aegislash line because its an "object pokemon", you just hate "object pokemon" in general. Besides, its not like complaining about it is going to undesign all "object pokemon" and replace them with "true pokemon designs".
3:43 i played Shantae Half-Genie hero a lot but i can't remember a possessed sword in it, unless you mean the scimitar spell of Shantae or Risky's sword
We forget Muk and Weezing is just different forms of pollution Specifically Water and Air Pollution. Garbodor is just land pollution in general. Alolan Muk is the result of humans trying to solve polluted rivers. This Muk can eat solid waste. Galarian Weezing might look like industrial smoke stacks from factories, but are actually nuclear power plants spewing regular steam. Meanwhile Gigantabodor just turns into a mountain of today's excessive consumerism causing more pollution. you can see discarded pokedolls, toy planes and boats, Magikarp's skeleton, a whole building, an abandoned train, an even a *MASTER BALL* stuck to its body.
@@CrownofMischiefthat's definitely an paradox theory restriction, tho. . if the ruff ol paradox mons were their original look thats just an coincidence
How do you feel about the comparisons to Stormbringer, the cursed blade? The soul-sucking eye-in-the-sword thing and Aegislash's shiny looks so much like an homage.
As a former genwunnder myself, I found it hilarious. lol Gen 1 will always be my favorite, nostalgia is powerful like that. But I did eventually come around to appreciate the rest as well, the newer Pokemon are just as cool if not cooler in many ways. In fact my favorite mythic is not even gen 1 at all, it's Hoopa. Genwunners are silly. lol
@@addison_v_ertisement1678 Genwunners are much rarer and tamer than they used to be. During gen 5-6, you REALLY couldn't mention Pokémon without someone weeping about ice cream and keychain Pokémon and the series being on the downfall ever since gen 2.
im a genwunner, but not the usual negative one. I really appreciate all gens, I just put gen 1 in higher regards plus I love all objectmons. next are the humanoids. then plants. i like animal-based monsters the least
When i first saw Aegislash my first thought was it looked a enemy or mini boss i would find in legend of zelda game. It looked like a boss fight thats protecting great treasure like the eye of truth and reminds me of the weapons of a dark nut
Finally an Aegislash video, my favourite pokémon Edit: I assume people think Gillgard comes from Gilgamesh, and associates him with sword, is because of his apearance in the Fate franchise. In it his Noble Phantasm, Gate of Babylon, let's him summon a bunch of weapons, mainly swords but also other weapons like spears and such.
Okay, this "Genwunner" complaint thing is more common than any genwunner complaint... Any real "Genwunner" complaint stopped like over 10 years ago... and even then, it started when a group of old fans saw some of the weirder Gen 5 Pokemon and had complaints that would have died down if people just ignored them... Basically, this "defeated nostalgia thing" is nostalgia itself and is basically a complaint towards arguments of the past that few hold... and it's call to attention is more common than it's very existance...
@@TheDeathmail im just saying that some pokèmon fans like a design because its nostalgic no matter how terrible it well be im not complaining about genwunners (sorry btw)
@@TheDeathmailI think it’s more so about pointing out the contradictions in the new Pokémon bad complaint as while it’s fine to have gen 1 mons as your favorite. Casting Judgement on new mons for things the old generations did and ignoring that is weird to me. But what a fandom without its contradictions.
@@andrewharris1344can we stop lumping genwunners in with the fandom please To be part of the fandom u have to be a continuous ongoing fan Genwunners are fake/ex fans they are not fans can we stop calling them such
Honestly Im not even sure why even that hatred for object mon is a thing to begin with. Like you said they were around sense gen 1, Gamefreak just became better at designing them. And the fact that people see it like its a sign that they run out of ideas is honestly baffling. Also Aegislash is objectively one of the best object mon they have ever made.
Orange dragon with fire on tail : genius, so inspired ! Ghost sword inspired by a demon king, Greek mythology and tales of King Arthur : boo, soo uninspired, they're running out of ideas !
I'd love to see other variations of the Honedge line like maybe possessing other types of weapons like an axe or hammer Best nicknames for the line are Pownedge, Hexcalibur, and Souledge
@MORISAKI WIN OFFICIAL be like: Great, and, I approve of all three nicknames, especially because Honedge’s Japanese name is literally Hitotsuki, as if the demons from Donbrothers that have the name Hitotsuki would actually have Honedge as a part of their arsenal.
25:40 The superhero nerd in me finds it amusing you used Grayson's _Nightwing_ mask instead of the Robin mask because he hasn't been Robin for a very long time in the comics.
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14:49 I didn't know dwarves were depicted as what we would describe in modern times as "gnomes" Actually explains a lot about the dwarves in Final Fantasy.
I have literally never had any problem with the concept behind a pokemon before and I think that's where a lot of 'mon criticism falls flat - There are no bad concepts (generally speaking), just bad execution. There are several pokemon I don't actually like the design of, but that comes from a place of character design and not whatever the pokemon was actually based on. (Also I literally love learning about random historical/cultural/scientific things through the lens of pokemon lol. It's exactly why I subscribed to your channel. It's like a massive autism win.)
25:09 Suddenly the name of the UNSC Infinity's shipboard A.I Roland makes sense to me. Durandel from Marathon (Pre Halo) and Cortana (Cortain) are both legendary swords in name.
Very nice video about one of my favorite gen 6 pokemon! Kinda wish you'd brought up Joyeuse as another example of a famous French sword of legend, but I can understand why you wouldn't. I've never heard of an Aegislash that changes color 30 times a day.
Supprised you never mentioned the amazing shinies this line has. The red blades of Honedge and Doublade, and the red edge of Aegislash. The silver regular and red shiny remind me of the Masamune and Muramasa blades you mentioned before.
25:05 Durendal gives the german name of Aegislash its name. It's called Durengard. So the sword/attack part of the name is from Durendal and the shield/protect part is "gard" which is similar or the same to the english guard.
In French we pronounce Exagide like Exajeed, because "égide" is the french for aegis, and both in french and english we pronounce these G like J not GU
no no no wait, in french there are specific rules as to when a g is hard and when its soft, in english its completly random all the time and the reason you can see similarities is because a lot of english words came from french
On your point about Oda Nobunaga, well, as much as he's romanticized as a villain due to even calling himself the "demon king," what people don't get is that what he did, unlike the likes of Adolf Hitler or other cruel leaders, wasn't anything that other daimyou of the time period wouldn't do, as samurai actually tended to be very cruel, themselves; much as Night Slash's inspiration of a samurai assassinating an innocent person at night to test their new blade. Plus, him calling himself the "demon king" was actually purely in sarcasm and satire in response to Takeda Shingen in a letter calling himself the "head priest of the Tendai sect monks," when in reality, Shingen wasn't even a believer in the Tendai sect, let alone their "head priest." Thus, Nobunaga was basically flipping Shingen the bird and saying, "Pfft, 'head priest,' my foot. If you're the head priest of a sect that you don't even frickin' follow in the first place, then I'm the demon king of the Sixth Heaven."
Especially since Nobunaga didn't wield a cursed blade. As noted in the video, he used a Masamune (Kotegiri), not a Muramasa. (Side note: Muramasa was never a pupil of Masamune, as that was literally impossible due to when they lived. The legend of Juuchi Yosamu/Muranasa vs. Yawarakai-Tei/Masamune is more a parable at best.)
They could have made a Paldean Honedge based on Spanish sabers, evolving into ascalon (Saint Giorgios' sword) mixed with the Dragon Slayer from Berserk
Quick reminder to Genwunners: you had sentient eggs/seeds, a floating rock with arms, a literal rat, a palm tree, the nightmare beyond my imagina- I mean Mr. Mime, and Barney the Yellow Dragon.
Pokemon's biggest mistake: *Not bring mega evolution back* *Trust.* Overall amazing video describing this topic amongst Pokémon because it's pretty common and I hate it for sure.
To be honest, all I want from Mega Evolution is a "generic Mega Stone" of sorts. Doesn't change the Pokemon's form, maybe 20 points for each stat or 30 in the two highest stats and 20 in the next two highest, but still allows Pokemon teams without one of the 20 popular Pokemon to utilize the mechanic. This isn't saying this will replace the Mega Evolution, just giving mons without the special rocks to still "mega-evolve"
The hate for object Pokémon really is so overblown and basically ignoring the Pokémon we had since gen 1. Also, I didn’t think about how a curse and or living sword is a pretty common trope.
Honestly I looove the Aegislash line and I hope it gets regional and/or "paradox" variants in the future. Like, an Honedge that actually looks like a katana, or a "future" Honedge that's basically a lightsaber. Or maybe a "hammer" version to pay tribute to Mjolnir, to be wielded by a variant of Tinkaton.
Honestly I don’t get why people hate on humanoid Pokémon, especially the starters. It’s like unfair that Pokémon like Blaziken who’s despite looking like a dude in a suit gets praised and love for looking cool yet Pokémon like Cinderace get the “it’s looks like furry bait” insult. Like seriously they’re both bipedal from start to finish so I don’t understand the hate.
@@kaitogirldraws But at least the Scorbunny line makes more sense for why it’s a humanoid. Like little rabbit that loves playing soccer evolving into a sports mascot makes way more sense compared to a baby chick evolving into a man bird because it knows kung fu.
I could see AZ being a Gilgamesh reference. Ancient king the size of a giant who sought out eternal life and in a sense failed. Now thats sth to dig deep on.
Aegislash is very interesting as an idea of a pokemon, so in my personal opininion, if the Gamefreak give to Aegislash a mega, it will share similarities with a Sword and Sheild forms⚔🛡
My most favorite pokemon...ever and I was already sold about it's base form Honedge...but then its final evolution appared and I forever loved it since
Ooooh nice sword! *Shlink* Wonder why it was just, here, weird.... Oh theres text here "Beware of choking", wonder what that means. Also European swords hell yea \[T]/
You gotta love when you make a Fakemon (or really any) concept and it turns out to be thematically coherent with a myth or the like you didn't even know about at the time.
This is my favorite line of Pokémon, particularly because it's just a sword lol Jokes aside, I genuinely love Aegislash's design. Not only is it BOTH of my favorite types, it has an awesome shiny too! Its gimmick is also just so cool! My own love of Swords and the like probably also makes me a little biased. Plus, the image of a King or Knight wielding a Pokémon into battle is pretty sick, especially with fitting Armor and scarves. Aegislash is so cool, literally my only issue is that I think all Protect attacks should switch its Stance, instead of just King's Shield. Edit: Today I learned, the Vikings accidentally invented Steel O.O
Fun fact: “Excalibur” is the French-ified version of “Caliburn”, which was what the sword was originally called. I guess Arthurean legend got famous in France at some point in history.
Man, I remember checking back on the website constantly before the games that would become my first mainline Pokémon experience came out. I would look at the Honege line, excited at the idea of getting one for myself. Awesome design.
THANK YOU for bringing up the Tsukumogami! That's always been something I've had to explain whenever I hear someone complain about object Pokemon. Granted, it doesn't necessarily mean all of them get a pass, but still, that context is almost always missed on those complainers.
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Stab. Spears > Swords. I will always advocate the true warrior's weapons! Sticks!
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Honesty, I never really understood the object mon hate myself. They're really not so bad. Especially since Chandelure is pretty universallly loved from what I see
Honest opinion, I think trubish and garboder are waaay too overheated, the only thing I dislike on garboder is just that his arms are on different levels, other than that, I genuinely looks good, and I think is a way better grimer/muk replacement in the sence that garboder and trubish actually look significantly different and not just like the first stage got fatter. Vanilite is OK, but I think they could have shown better that it's an icicle covered in snow, maybe not have the face on the snow that is covering its body, and a bit of a different face, silly pokemon are fine, but it needs a contrast in personality, looks, concept or something, Vanilite is silly all around, there is no contrast in it that can offset the silly in my opinion, if it had a more mischievous face or it kidnaped children like driftloon, I think it would have been less hated
Chandelure is my fav mon, and magnemite is the cutest thing ever. Also, dont get what ppl even dislike about object mons, maybe just most of them arent good designs or sth
I mean, online I've seen almost nothing but love for it, but I have actually seen gen wunners heckle chandelure cosplayers and several other newer 'mon cosplayers (Literally In Real Life) before. So. Sleep well tonight knowing people like that exist.
Might be a cultural thing too, since in Japan there are yokai that are living objects, and when other folks don't know that, they deride them for being 'boring'.
I’d rather have an object mon over “Literal just an animal”
It was funny being online and see the changes of opinion happening about Aegislash
People HATED it because it's an object possessed, after some time people LOVED it because:
1. Sword
2. Ghost
3. Competitive Monster
4. Edgy
5. Potentially cool nicknames
6. Shiny colors
Humans are such mysterious and confusing creatures
The same thing happened with Gen 5 Mon in general, too
You’re a human
@@Gloomdrakeyeah, especially to Chandelure. Everyone really hated them just because it looks like an object rather than creature. But after a while, it’s some of everyone’s favorite because it’s a ghost, fire, has a cool noise, very competitive, and it has a cool shiny.
Humans truly are mysterious.
The Vanillite line aren't even real ice cream. They're just icicles covered in snow. Though I imagine the ice cream shapes and the simple cutesy faces are meant to invoke the image of old-fashioned restaurant mascots - y'know, classic kitschy Americano.
And hey, maybe Ghost is one of my favorite types because they can reasonably be just about anything - dolls, yokai, balloons, coffins, candles, jack-o-lanterns, piles of sand, costumers, tea sets, stealth bombers, Izanami dragon, etc.
I remember when Honedge was first revealed a lot of people began to draw all sorts of people holding it in various poses, ready to fight with their sword pokemon. And then the dex entry for Honedge about it absorbing the soul of who ever holds it's hilt was revealed and everyone did a collective "eggghhhh. Oops."
Then they all died.
Personally, i chose to believe that that is a misunderstanding
Its a defense mechanism, that was later misunderstood as malicious
I honestly don't get it. I actually like the ones that are objects. After all, there's nothing wrong with a variety of all kinds. Even if it's just objects. Also, the idea of cursed objects isn't as crazy as you think. I know a lot of different ones that I could see becoming new Pokemon at some point.
The animated object ghost Pokemon are some if my favorites
I guess the issue is more about the "twists" or the type of object they start from that cause issue for some people. Like yeah, Aegislash and its line are fine. But then you got the Vanilluxe line and Klefki who are a bit "off" (in my personal opinion again).
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”How do we make an icecream Pokémon”
“Well, what if it was an icicle that puts snow on its head in the shape of icecream, but when the snow melts it drips to the bottom of the cone and refreezes like icicles normally do and thus, gives itself eternal life!”
“How do we exemplify the trickster nature of fairies?”
“Let’s make a fairy that steals a valuable item, like important keys, and make it a little fairy shaped like a key ring so it can carry a lot of keys!”
I’m paraphrasing but I find these significantly more interesting than “It’s a haunted sword seeking vengeance and bloodshed”
Yeah animated objects are such a ubiquitous concept in fantasy, I don't get why people don't like them. I literally used a bunch of magically animated swords in my DnD campaign today
Pokémon are also just yōkai in a way, so object mons make sense from that angle.
Fun fact: The German names of Honedge and Duoblade make some additional references to mythical swords. Honedge's name, Gramokles, references yet another sword from norse mythology, Gram, which was used by Sigurd to slay the dragon Fafnir. The name Gramokles, and also, Duokles, Duoblade's german name, also reference the Sword of Damocles, which is pretty fitting. These Pokemon are literal Swords of Damocles, constantly putting their own weilder's life at threat by absorbing their life energy. (also Aegislash's name is Durengard which is probably a reference to the Durendal)
Came looking for a comment that goes into the German namesake and its implications some more 🙏
Redenem the sword of damocles is also the same mystickal weapon that all 7 kings have from the anime series called k.
If Aegislash has a future Paradox form, imagine that thing having a laser blade and firing beams from it.
Master sword
lightsaber
Maybe in a potential Legends Galar game it could have a regional form more heavily based on Excalibur
If it ever gets a past form I want it to be literally just a big stick.
So a guardian from the test of strength shrines?
... Yeah I'm here for that
People complaining about object mon must forget Magnemite exists
Or a literal Poké Ball knockoff in the form of Voltorb or Electrode.
@@SuperDanMan11100And then they might say "b-but my object yokai!" like that 1) isn't one of the inspirations for all the subsequent object Pokémon and 2) excuses what, by their own self-proclaimed metric, is bad design.
And the Vanillite line.
Or Geodude, which is literally a rock with arms. lol
@@Nosidda but that BARELY counts as an object mon.
The Aegislash line is genuinely one of my favorite evolution lines in the series. I started with X, and seeing Honedge for the first time was just incredible. Gen 6 really is underrated, and I’m happy to see it get even a little recognition
I just noticed that when Aegislash is in Shield Forme, the dots on its shield turn white like eyes like the pre-evolutions, which makes the pattern around the circles look like teeth, so the shield is actually three faces that share three eyes, and I cannot unsee it now.
15:59: The Franks actually named there county after the best hand weapon they made, The Franshecan battle axe, France.
I can't tell if you're serious or not
@chinsaw2727 The guys were called the Franks, the country France. It's that simple.
@chinsaw2727 According to Wikipedia, it could come from ancient German for "spear" or "strong willed/free man"
Who the Heck hated the Aegislash line? Apart from the awesome Ghost/Steel typing, they're super powerful and look pretty cool.
They did ghost/steel before and better than goldhengo
I did, objectmons sucks even if they’re swords.
@c0mpu73rguy Why? Cursed/possessed objects are everywhere in Japanese folklore.
@@thecannonball34 Because the designs themselves are lazy, I wouldn’t mind objectmons if they were better done. Like Tangela for example, that thing is supposed to be a living noodle dish isn’t it? Yet it still looks like a pokemon. On the other hand, we have a sword… With, like, an eye around the hilt… That’s it.
@@c0mpu73rguyFound the genwunner.
I actually never minded the object Pokemon. Maybe it came from watching Dora the Explorer as a toddler.
While I never used it, I think the Aegislash line is cool.
EDIT: I know about Legends ZA
-Also if you ask me, the biggest mistake Pokemon did was the lack of a Pokemon Z-
Many of my favorits count into that group, chandalure, klefkey, as long as the concept and design are great...... The irony, of gen one and two being worst when it came to objects and lazy designers but gen oners complaining that new pokemon where "just somethingsomething"
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Pokemon's biggest mistake is not giving flygon a mega
I could've sworn one of the artists in charge of designing the megas straight up said in an interview he wanted to make one but couldn't think of a good design
If megas ever co- ❌
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I think otherwise. Personally I think Megas undermine the core concept of Pokémon evolution, where each stage is a separate character and not simply an animal growing older. Jigglypuff has notable design differences from Wigglytuff, and while you can understand they’re connected, Wigglytuff isn’t literally just Jigglypuff but more mature looking, it has the bunny ears and feet and that adds a new layer. Same reason why a lot of mid stage starters have random additions that then disappear, Charmeleon’s red skin, Croconaw’s caveman aesthetic, Raboot’s pocket.
Megas a lot of the time just kinda added stuff on to a Pokémon. No real change, cause obviously it’s a form change not a proper evolution. The downside of this though is when you try to make a Mega for a Pokémon in a complete line with a finished concept and are unable to expand on it. Sure you could make “cooler Flygon” but you might also not do the design enough Justice or cater enough to fan demand. That’s what happened with Charizard and Mewtwo, then 1-3 months later they revealed “Heyyy, here’s the Mega X forms that just so happen to be everything the fans have been demanding in their outrage.”
My point is Flygon is a wonderful Pokémon with a completed concept, just like Tyranitar, Metagross, and Garchomp. Adding a mega isn’t adding a new layer to the cake, it’s just injecting more cake into the layer that already exists. I’ve heard some argue “well they could make it a Bug type!” but I feel like for a Mega Flygon that would just be a direct downgrade as it loses STAB on ground moves, can’t learn many amazing bug moves, and trades it’s okay weakness spread for a whole bunch of new ones.
The sorry state if Scarlet/Violet💯💯💯
I remember some old fan art that interpreted the Honedge line as insects that gripped and infused themselves into swords. It was a really cool interpretation of a Pokémon, especially how unique it was
While the Gilgamesh from the Epic of Gilgamesh might not be known for using weapons, Gilgamesh in the Final Fantasy series is all about that. He goes around collecting the swords of every Final Fantasy protagonist, so in that way, they might also be referencing Final Fantasy's Gilgamesh.
Or fate as Gilgamesh has an entire vault full of weapons that he can fire like a machine gun.
The mythical gilgamesh did use an axe
Shout out to Greg. All my homies love Greg.
@@MegaPokefan97and was the first monster.... I love how things that are spoken about as new concepts are found way back in mesopotamian writings, from non binary people and how they are under the protection of istar against discrimination to the sympathetic monster vs monterous hero...... Gilgamesh slayed a monster just minding it's own business protecting its forest and when enkidu stumbled upon him and the devastation he layed upon the guarded ground he questioned just what he thought to have done there, not at all happy with his best bro in the slightest
And maybe even the Fate series' Gilgamesh because he's seen carrying a sword called Ea which could only be wielded by Gilgamesh himself who is also seen wearing golden armor. He also has a Noble Phantasm called Gate of Babylon that opens up a large portal from behind him that sends out many different weapons.
the abstract object pokemon have always been way more creative than "look, it's a dog but fire/electric"
Agreed, but some are better than others. Like Manectric is better than Boltund and Hisuian Growlithe is better than the normal.
Exactly! "Look! A cat that can breathe fire! A cat that controls plants! A cat that can swim underwater!" Seriously? Object mons a a break from that mold, and it almost never misses.
I agree, but I must note that poke'mon like Houndoom are pretty creative. A lot more than the poke'mon which are just a dog but [elemental].
That may be why sylveon was my favorite eveelution.
@@geologist1235 yeah I'd give the houndoom and Houndstone lines some creative merit def more than the stoutland or mabosstiff, and boltund lines
yeah, flareon for example is just dog that are red and breathe fire, whats so creative about that
12:25 I just realized if you wheeled Aegislash the 2 spikes on his hilt that act as shoulders might just dig into your arm while holding it and do more damage to your then you're opposite so maybe draining your life force is code for bleeding
Even if you hate "object pokemon", the Aegislash is one of the best of all of them. Not only because of how recognizable it is as an object, but also the inspirations its pokedex entries are pulling from. If you hate the Aegislash line because its an "object pokemon", you just hate "object pokemon" in general. Besides, its not like complaining about it is going to undesign all "object pokemon" and replace them with "true pokemon designs".
aegislash existing gave us some awesome pokemon fusion designs, so i simply do not care if people think its lazy, its cool to me
Aegislash is the first Pokémon that made me wanna hunt a shiny.
@@tarlaihopehonestly same
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i played Shantae Half-Genie hero a lot
but i can't remember a possessed sword in it, unless you mean the scimitar spell of Shantae or Risky's sword
I mean, I love Garbodor, and it’s technically an object mon. I want a regional variant based on corroded electronics being improperly disposed of.
We forget Muk and Weezing is just different forms of pollution
Specifically Water and Air Pollution.
Garbodor is just land pollution in general.
Alolan Muk is the result of humans trying to solve polluted rivers. This Muk can eat solid waste.
Galarian Weezing might look like industrial smoke stacks from factories, but are actually nuclear power plants spewing regular steam.
Meanwhile Gigantabodor just turns into a mountain of today's excessive consumerism causing more pollution. you can see discarded pokedolls, toy planes and boats, Magikarp's skeleton, a whole building, an abandoned train, an even a *MASTER BALL* stuck to its body.
Great idea!
It could be Poison/Electric type. Something like the Blob from fnaf, but instead of animatronic parts it's old corroded rusty electronics.
Very curious how that would look!
Its a cat
5:06 OMG! THAT'S THE PILLOW CASE I HAD AS A KID!!! I will never forget that shade of blue!
do you think people who get mad about Brute Bonnet looking like a Poké Ball also look at birds and wonder why they look like aeroplanes?
Now we’re asking the real questions.
Wait, so are you suggesting we modelled Pokeballs after Brute Bonnet?
@@CrownofMischiefthat's definitely an paradox theory restriction, tho. . if the ruff ol paradox mons were their original look thats just an coincidence
@@Sunneh2013 Yeah, I usually leaned into the paradox aspect to explain things like Brute Bonnet, I was just trying to follow OP's logic
Birds aren't real.
How do you feel about the comparisons to Stormbringer, the cursed blade? The soul-sucking eye-in-the-sword thing and Aegislash's shiny looks so much like an homage.
That's a good one!!!
By Arceus, he’s done it! He’s explained the inexplicable!
I've been wondering why they don't make an actual Swordfish design.
Lockstin woke up one day and said "ya know what? I'm going to attack some genwunners today" and I'm absolutely here for it xD
As a former genwunnder myself, I found it hilarious. lol
Gen 1 will always be my favorite, nostalgia is powerful like that. But I did eventually come around to appreciate the rest as well, the newer Pokemon are just as cool if not cooler in many ways. In fact my favorite mythic is not even gen 1 at all, it's Hoopa.
Genwunners are silly. lol
It felt alot more like strawman arguments
@@addison_v_ertisement1678 Genwunners are much rarer and tamer than they used to be. During gen 5-6, you REALLY couldn't mention Pokémon without someone weeping about ice cream and keychain Pokémon and the series being on the downfall ever since gen 2.
im a genwunner, but not the usual negative one. I really appreciate all gens, I just put gen 1 in higher regards
plus I love all objectmons. next are the humanoids. then plants. i like animal-based monsters the least
When i first saw Aegislash my first thought was it looked a enemy or mini boss i would find in legend of zelda game. It looked like a boss fight thats protecting great treasure like the eye of truth and reminds me of the weapons of a dark nut
Finally an Aegislash video, my favourite pokémon
Edit: I assume people think Gillgard comes from Gilgamesh, and associates him with sword, is because of his apearance in the Fate franchise. In it his Noble Phantasm, Gate of Babylon, let's him summon a bunch of weapons, mainly swords but also other weapons like spears and such.
Finally someone who defeated his nostalgia and said the truth we needed
Okay, this "Genwunner" complaint thing is more common than any genwunner complaint...
Any real "Genwunner" complaint stopped like over 10 years ago... and even then, it started when a group of old fans saw some of the weirder Gen 5 Pokemon and had complaints that would have died down if people just ignored them...
Basically, this "defeated nostalgia thing" is nostalgia itself and is basically a complaint towards arguments of the past that few hold... and it's call to attention is more common than it's very existance...
@@TheDeathmail im just saying that some pokèmon fans like a design because its nostalgic no matter how terrible it well be im not complaining about genwunners (sorry btw)
@@TheDeathmailI think it’s more so about pointing out the contradictions in the new Pokémon bad complaint as while it’s fine to have gen 1 mons as your favorite. Casting Judgement on new mons for things the old generations did and ignoring that is weird to me. But what a fandom without its contradictions.
@@andrewharris1344can we stop lumping genwunners in with the fandom please
To be part of the fandom u have to be a continuous ongoing fan
Genwunners are fake/ex fans they are not fans can we stop calling them such
Honestly Im not even sure why even that hatred for object mon is a thing to begin with. Like you said they were around sense gen 1, Gamefreak just became better at designing them. And the fact that people see it like its a sign that they run out of ideas is honestly baffling.
Also Aegislash is objectively one of the best object mon they have ever made.
Orange dragon with fire on tail : genius, so inspired !
Ghost sword inspired by a demon king, Greek mythology and tales of King Arthur : boo, soo uninspired, they're running out of ideas !
I'd love to see other variations of the Honedge line like maybe possessing other types of weapons like an axe or hammer
Best nicknames for the line are Pownedge, Hexcalibur, and Souledge
@MORISAKI WIN OFFICIAL be like: Great, and, I approve of all three nicknames, especially because Honedge’s Japanese name is literally Hitotsuki, as if the demons from Donbrothers that have the name Hitotsuki would actually have Honedge as a part of their arsenal.
As someone who loves swords to no end, this is the video for me. The history of swords is so fascinating
25:40 The superhero nerd in me finds it amusing you used Grayson's _Nightwing_ mask instead of the Robin mask because he hasn't been Robin for a very long time in the comics.
3:48 Putting Rubilax ? now that's a man who knows his classics.
You are without a slight doubt my favorite Poketuber. I watch other Pokechannels before bed just to fill the time between your videos. The amount of work you put into setting your videos apart, isn't gone unnoticed!
Thank you for adding history lessons to Pokemon to make them even cooler than they would have been normally.
14:49 I didn't know dwarves were depicted as what we would describe in modern times as "gnomes"
Actually explains a lot about the dwarves in Final Fantasy.
Actually the Franch name of Aegislash refers to both Excalibur and Aegis because in French Aegis is Egide
Smoothest sponser transition ive ever seen. Congrats man
I have literally never had any problem with the concept behind a pokemon before and I think that's where a lot of 'mon criticism falls flat - There are no bad concepts (generally speaking), just bad execution. There are several pokemon I don't actually like the design of, but that comes from a place of character design and not whatever the pokemon was actually based on.
(Also I literally love learning about random historical/cultural/scientific things through the lens of pokemon lol. It's exactly why I subscribed to your channel. It's like a massive autism win.)
25:09 Suddenly the name of the UNSC Infinity's shipboard A.I Roland makes sense to me. Durandel from Marathon (Pre Halo) and Cortana (Cortain) are both legendary swords in name.
Aegislash's German name is also "Durengard", coming from Durendal.
Very nice video about one of my favorite gen 6 pokemon! Kinda wish you'd brought up Joyeuse as another example of a famous French sword of legend, but I can understand why you wouldn't. I've never heard of an Aegislash that changes color 30 times a day.
Supprised you never mentioned the amazing shinies this line has. The red blades of Honedge and Doublade, and the red edge of Aegislash. The silver regular and red shiny remind me of the Masamune and Muramasa blades you mentioned before.
He did mention them, just only in editing. He shows the red blade and mentions that while that’s on screen.
@@Monkebs45 oh cool I didn't notice. Aegislash has one of the best shinies imo
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Old Silly Lockstin
~1996 - 2023~
Crushed to death by the overwhelming sense of Gen Wunnerness... And Swords... A lot of swords
Aegislash has honestly been one of my faves for years
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Durendal gives the german name of Aegislash its name. It's called Durengard. So the sword/attack part of the name is from Durendal and the shield/protect part is "gard" which is similar or the same to the english guard.
In French we pronounce Exagide like Exajeed, because "égide" is the french for aegis, and both in french and english we pronounce these G like J not GU
no no no wait, in french there are specific rules as to when a g is hard and when its soft, in english its completly random all the time and the reason you can see similarities is because a lot of english words came from french
Never had a problem with aigislashs design, always love the lore deep dive
im bummed out the Aegislash line isnt coming back with the S&V. it was the ace pokemon i had set for a team based on one of my favorite characters
I had Aegislash on my Y team, it was fantastic! I love Aegislash line so much, thank you for giving this line its own vid :]
Love the old Lockstins in the beginning 😂
3:28 TASTE MY BLADE(S)
Can you do a video explaining the origin forms for the Dialga, Palkia and Giratina?
I am never going to think of Nobunaga, King Arthur, or Gilgamesh like a normal person thanks to the Fate series.
On your point about Oda Nobunaga, well, as much as he's romanticized as a villain due to even calling himself the "demon king," what people don't get is that what he did, unlike the likes of Adolf Hitler or other cruel leaders, wasn't anything that other daimyou of the time period wouldn't do, as samurai actually tended to be very cruel, themselves; much as Night Slash's inspiration of a samurai assassinating an innocent person at night to test their new blade.
Plus, him calling himself the "demon king" was actually purely in sarcasm and satire in response to Takeda Shingen in a letter calling himself the "head priest of the Tendai sect monks," when in reality, Shingen wasn't even a believer in the Tendai sect, let alone their "head priest." Thus, Nobunaga was basically flipping Shingen the bird and saying, "Pfft, 'head priest,' my foot. If you're the head priest of a sect that you don't even frickin' follow in the first place, then I'm the demon king of the Sixth Heaven."
Especially since Nobunaga didn't wield a cursed blade. As noted in the video, he used a Masamune (Kotegiri), not a Muramasa. (Side note: Muramasa was never a pupil of Masamune, as that was literally impossible due to when they lived. The legend of Juuchi Yosamu/Muranasa vs. Yawarakai-Tei/Masamune is more a parable at best.)
omg fate has poisoned my mind when he said gilgamesh his appearance in fate is all i could think of
It's videos like this that make me really appreciate Pokemon that I once looked over. 🗡⚔️🛡
16:35 you DARE imply SpongeBob isn't a powerful Viking.
Your videos really helped me appreciate just how deep these pokemon designs actually are, the team responsible doesn't get enough credit.
What would be cool is if it had an evolution variant that was based on holy swords like Excalibur (I’m thinking fairy, steel)
They could have made a Paldean Honedge based on Spanish sabers, evolving into ascalon (Saint Giorgios' sword) mixed with the Dragon Slayer from Berserk
Quick reminder to Genwunners: you had sentient eggs/seeds, a floating rock with arms, a literal rat, a palm tree, the nightmare beyond my imagina- I mean Mr. Mime, and Barney the Yellow Dragon.
Pokemon's biggest mistake was not making Pokemon Z
Boy is there some good news for you!
XENOBLADE MENTIONED AT 3:45 AND 5:37 IN THE FORM OF THE MONADO
I am pleased.
oh and Blazblue too I guess
THE AZURE
Pokemon's biggest mistake: *Not bring mega evolution back*
*Trust.*
Overall amazing video describing this topic amongst Pokémon because it's pretty common and I hate it for sure.
To be honest, all I want from Mega Evolution is a "generic Mega Stone" of sorts. Doesn't change the Pokemon's form, maybe 20 points for each stat or 30 in the two highest stats and 20 in the next two highest, but still allows Pokemon teams without one of the 20 popular Pokemon to utilize the mechanic.
This isn't saying this will replace the Mega Evolution, just giving mons without the special rocks to still "mega-evolve"
2:22 Well, that and it's a Mimic of sorts.
"Oh boy, loot!" ... "Oh no, monster!"
The hate for object Pokémon really is so overblown and basically ignoring the Pokémon we had since gen 1. Also, I didn’t think about how a curse and or living sword is a pretty common trope.
Honestly I looove the Aegislash line and I hope it gets regional and/or "paradox" variants in the future. Like, an Honedge that actually looks like a katana, or a "future" Honedge that's basically a lightsaber.
Or maybe a "hammer" version to pay tribute to Mjolnir, to be wielded by a variant of Tinkaton.
Am i the only one who thinks lockstin is a master of transitioning into sponsors?
The Pokémon where people say "they're just swords" without causing an uproar! ⚔️
Honestly I don’t get why people hate on humanoid Pokémon, especially the starters. It’s like unfair that Pokémon like Blaziken who’s despite looking like a dude in a suit gets praised and love for looking cool yet Pokémon like Cinderace get the “it’s looks like furry bait” insult. Like seriously they’re both bipedal from start to finish so I don’t understand the hate.
Nor do I
I think the main thing is that blazing isn't clothed and doesn't have a full time job as a football star member
@@kaitogirldraws But at least the Scorbunny line makes more sense for why it’s a humanoid. Like little rabbit that loves playing soccer evolving into a sports mascot makes way more sense compared to a baby chick evolving into a man bird because it knows kung fu.
I could see AZ being a Gilgamesh reference. Ancient king the size of a giant who sought out eternal life and in a sense failed. Now thats sth to dig deep on.
Aegislash is very interesting as an idea of a pokemon, so in my personal opininion, if the Gamefreak give to Aegislash a mega, it will share similarities with a Sword and Sheild forms⚔🛡
The Aegislash line is one of my favorite lines of Pokémon, I will never understand how anyone can dislike it.
The German name is Durengard.
25:05 fun fact in german Aegislash is called Durengard
I think you can add 1 + 1 together
Hiii!!
My most favorite pokemon...ever
and I was already sold about it's base form Honedge...but then its final evolution appared and I forever loved it since
Ooooh nice sword! *Shlink* Wonder why it was just, here, weird.... Oh theres text here "Beware of choking", wonder what that means.
Also European swords hell yea \[T]/
D&D encounter
Anytime lockstin posts it really makes my day thanks
You gotta love when you make a Fakemon (or really any) concept and it turns out to be thematically coherent with a myth or the like you didn't even know about at the time.
Okay, probably the funniest segue into a sponsored ad XD
As someone whos favorite Pokemon is Magnemite, I feel truly recognized with the "there's 2 more of them! :D" bit at the beginning
Dude, your sponsor ads are the only sponsor ads I don't mind watching. Thanks for that!
"I stopped playing Pokemon ever since they started making objects Pokemon"
So gen 1 then?
Lockstin: Gilgamesh isn't really associated with weapons
Fate Gilgamesh: I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear something stupid just now
Loving this in depth Aegislash analysis. So cool how the honedge's shiny is inspired by a demon blade
Aegislash is my #1 favourite pokemon, gotta love any aegislash content
This is my favorite line of Pokémon, particularly because it's just a sword lol
Jokes aside, I genuinely love Aegislash's design. Not only is it BOTH of my favorite types, it has an awesome shiny too! Its gimmick is also just so cool! My own love of Swords and the like probably also makes me a little biased. Plus, the image of a King or Knight wielding a Pokémon into battle is pretty sick, especially with fitting Armor and scarves.
Aegislash is so cool, literally my only issue is that I think all Protect attacks should switch its Stance, instead of just King's Shield.
Edit: Today I learned, the Vikings accidentally invented Steel O.O
So that’s where Jim Butcher got the Sword of Hope from!
Fun fact: “Excalibur” is the French-ified version of “Caliburn”, which was what the sword was originally called. I guess Arthurean legend got famous in France at some point in history.
Man, I remember checking back on the website constantly before the games that would become my first mainline Pokémon experience came out.
I would look at the Honege line, excited at the idea of getting one for myself.
Awesome design.
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I mean…my Fate knowledge is telling me Gilgamesh had the legendary sword “Ea” but I have no idea how accurate to the books that is.
THANK YOU for bringing up the Tsukumogami! That's always been something I've had to explain whenever I hear someone complain about object Pokemon. Granted, it doesn't necessarily mean all of them get a pass, but still, that context is almost always missed on those complainers.
Wakfu cameo at 3:49, that was a pleasant surprise
That advertisement transition was so silly you got me to angry chuckle. good job!
The "IMPOSSIBLE" and transition afterwards had me rolling lmao