Leica M (Type 240) Hands-On Review

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  • @TheCameraStoreTV
    @TheCameraStoreTV  11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The RX1 certainly does have a crispness too it but all comparisons you see are straight raw files converted without sharpening in lightroom. The Leica M 240 does render colour and tone very uniquely and the boost in dynamic range is a big plus.
    Chris @ The Camera Store TV

  • @TheCameraStoreTV
    @TheCameraStoreTV  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That photo was shot on a 50mm F2 @ F2. Chris Tait also had a 35mm F1.4, 28mm F2.8 and 75mm F2.5. I'm glad I hung onto the originals to check the EXIF data!
    Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

  • @TheCameraStoreTV
    @TheCameraStoreTV  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The adaptor was not delivered in time for the review, but we have used M lenses with an extension tube and it works brilliantly!
    Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

  • @TheCameraStoreTV
    @TheCameraStoreTV  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The image quality is identical to the M9, which has been written about in great detail by many photographers. All you sacrifice is a USB port and frame line preview. With so many new cameras out there, we probably won't do an M-E video in the near future.
    Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

  • @dhuwdhuwdhuw
    @dhuwdhuwdhuw 9 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    personally, I bought Leica M to play with it. it is not just about stellar image quality, there are a lot cheaper cameras with same specs and similar quality in the market. but, with Leica, you can really feel the experience of taking pictures and it will never be the same with other cameras. Sure, it is very expensive. but it is worth the price. try before judging it, you will love it.

    • @arcadian91007
      @arcadian91007 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds intoxicating, been dreaming about a Leica, wish I could afford one..

  • @AndySnap
    @AndySnap 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another excellent, informative Camera Store review. Keep em coming!

  • @alnwick00
    @alnwick00 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you use a tripod with each camera system in approximately the same place
    when making the comparison photographs?

  • @Patsesson
    @Patsesson 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cant wait to watch this in 1080p while having breakfast :)
    You just know that when TheCameraStore has a new video uploaded that its gonna be great!!
    You guys are easily one of the top camera gear video makers on youtube, keep up the good work and your own style! Greetings from Finland.

  • @ObserveJeremiah
    @ObserveJeremiah 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys do some of the best camera reviews out. Its like the opposite of DigitalRev. Informative, professional and speaks to the average camera consumer.

  • @TheCameraStoreTV
    @TheCameraStoreTV  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm going to assume you mean me, Chris Niccolls, and not my counterpart Chris Tait. He's going to be hurt but he'll get over it. Thanks for watching our videos!
    Chris @ The Camera Store TV

  • @niccollsvideo
    @niccollsvideo 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Erik, thanks for enjoying our show. Monopods and tripods are good ideas but a good video camera should render any movement that is present nicely. The M doesn't have a truly appropriate shutter speed given it's frame rate but also seems to render motion in a stilted fashion which to our eyes is less pleasing than other cameras. It's subtle but it's there. P.S. if your getting jitters on your SLR try a shutter speed double your frame rate if you haven't already.
    Chris @ The Camera Store TV

  • @yellowpanda04
    @yellowpanda04 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is the best Leica M review , very honest and very practical review, many many thanks to Chris.

  • @Joshzphoto
    @Joshzphoto 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys always have the best and most trustworthy reviews anywhere on the net! Thank you so much for giving amazingly down to earth and unbiased reviews!

  • @TheCameraStoreTV
    @TheCameraStoreTV  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think it has something to do with our respective proximity to the equator. We actually had liquid water outside today!!!
    Chris @ The Camera Store TV

  • @TheCameraStoreTV
    @TheCameraStoreTV  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    It certainly is, a nice feature but the lenses aren't yet so I think it only serves to provide perceived confidence in your investment being safer
    Chris @ The Camera Store

  • @js312raf
    @js312raf ปีที่แล้ว

    11:22 That's a crop from the M9, not the M240 compared to the RX1 though! (I actually have all three cameras as well!)

  • @TOOBBIINN1
    @TOOBBIINN1 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chris is getting better with doing these videos. Nice work!

  • @JoelKernasenko
    @JoelKernasenko 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a way to see the exposure changes "live". If you half press the shutter and adjust the settings it will update in real time to the actual exposure.

  • @Ingeneering
    @Ingeneering 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    quick question regarding Chris' photos. What lens was he using for the images shot? Specifically the first one at 8:29?

  • @lemonmark
    @lemonmark 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review! Keep up the good work. Just wondering why you didn't include the external viewfinder.

  • @TheCameraStoreTV
    @TheCameraStoreTV  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    We mentioned this at 5:36.

  • @Dikaiosune02
    @Dikaiosune02 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a great balanced review. I'm quite certain my conclusions will be quite similar. Thank you for making the leap and putting your reputation on the line with your comments on the rx1. And thank you for comparing prints. Good job. From a Leica user.

  • @Camtography
    @Camtography 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really beautiful pictures from Chris. Thank you guys for the video.

  • @KurzawaJakub
    @KurzawaJakub 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm never disappointed with your reviews. Great work, keep doing it. :)

  • @BernieCastilloUIC
    @BernieCastilloUIC 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have an old Leica M6 (Film camera) with two old Leica lenses; 35mm 1:2 / 35 Summicron and 90mm Summicron 1:2 APO ASP.
    If I buy this new Leica M ( 240) - digital body only, could I still use my old Leica M6 *lenses : 35mm Summicron and 90 mm Summicron with Leica M (240) ? Do I need an adapter ? Are these lenses compatible with Leica M ( 240 ) ?
    OR I have to buy a new Leica M (240) lenses ? Specific for Leica M (240) only.Thanks. Bernie ( Ret.)

  • @Magneira
    @Magneira 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be fair I never used one for extend periods, only tested two that my friend has because its very expensive, the build quality and the less are top I can say that :)

  • @fergie9275
    @fergie9275 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just curious - what do you have against the Leica straps?
    I personally love them - I have them on all my cameras.
    They're simple and never get in my way or slip..
    Thanks

  • @conscarcdr
    @conscarcdr 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chris & Jordan, could you pit D800E + Distagon 35/1.4 against Leica M + Summilux 35/1.4 ASPH FLE? I think it would be fairer to compare similarly specified lenses. Too bad there is no D600E yet.

  • @DavidDatura
    @DavidDatura 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    An enjoyable review. Glad to see, for the most part the M lives up to expectations. Good job Chris.

  • @nikonrulz
    @nikonrulz 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent review as usual Chris.

  • @kape06111
    @kape06111 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the review. I'm using a Fuji XE1, but I'm falling in love with thi Leica M. It now has all what I wanted in the previous M.

  • @TheCameraStoreTV
    @TheCameraStoreTV  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    They milk the brand name, but I still feel that you're paying the money not for any perception of IQ but for the unique nature of shooting a rangefinder. It's all about the experience of shooting and not the final product. One could argue that liveview makes the camera less unique compared to the rest though. Is that good or bad?

  • @meunierjean-luc3116
    @meunierjean-luc3116 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very anxious to get mine! Even with some limits I am shure I will enjoy this camera. And over all, it is the only full frame interchangeable lens camera that will fit in my bicycle handlebar bag.

  • @TheCameraStoreTV
    @TheCameraStoreTV  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can find Chris Tait's Flickr account by searching for 'christait'. There's even more Leica M samples on there!

  • @Produitscoreens
    @Produitscoreens 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, just a comment on your sharpness test. Was it made in Jpeg or Raw ? Thank you

  • @EmilMirzakhanian
    @EmilMirzakhanian 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you guys have one for sale? I have been waiting and looking for one along with my Monochrome.

  • @ChrisBilodeauPhotography
    @ChrisBilodeauPhotography 10 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    People that don't get Leica, just don't get Leica. Moreover, most people that buy a Leica M will not use it like a soccer parent with their new fancy DSLR and kit lens.
    I have pro DSLRs that I use to make money as I am a semi-professional wedding and portrait photographer. They are big plastic computers that allow you to shoot in the dark. They have more options than iPhones and everybody has a DSLR nowadays.
    I got my Leica M8 to slow me down. It's a finely carved hunk of brass and mag alloy that mates to the world's best optics. I find I actually think about what I am gonna photograph and the whole process of making an image with a Leica is intoxicating. Leica Ms make you a better "photographer." You capture moments rather than just making cool images. Sort of like shooting film.
    I love my Nikons and my D800 is amazing. But, when I go out the door, it's always the Leica M8 with Elmarit 28mm that goes in my bag. That and a Nikon FE film camera.

    • @carolinamardonesolivos6333
      @carolinamardonesolivos6333 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      dslrs arent made of plastic

    • @ChrisBilodeauPhotography
      @ChrisBilodeauPhotography 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Carolina Mardones Olivos Polycarbonate is a rigid form of plastic. "Some" DSLRs have a magnesium alloy shell covered with plastic, like my D3 and D800. Some lesser DSLRs are plastic (poly) and even have a plastic lens mount, like the D600 and below.
      Leica are metal and brass.

    • @tom20152
      @tom20152 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      why don't you just shoot film. It will make you a better "photographer".

    • @ChrisBilodeauPhotography
      @ChrisBilodeauPhotography 10 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      tom nguyen I do. 1958 Leica M3. I also develop my own B&W, typically with Ilfosol and either Kodak 400-TX or HP5 Plus.
      The point is, too many people buy a digital camera today and craft of "photography" is lost. I applaud Leica for understanding this. I love that Leica introduced a new M-A recently, an all mechanical throwback to the M3 (in 2014).
      If one hates Leica, that is fine. But, hate Leica for an intelligent reason and not that it is too expensive or does not shoot video. Leica is a Ferrari. Over-priced? No. Why? Because there is no way to accurately price something with intangible qualities cherished by those that understand its purpose. If you see a Ferrari as just a car with 4 tires to drive to Walmart, then you don't understand. If you see a Leica M as a snapshot camera, again, you will not understand.
      Its not arrogance, it is just a different way of thinking and respecting the pure craft of photography.

    • @Federico84
      @Federico84 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      maybe i'm wrong but i have a feeling that with leica a good portion of the price is for the leica logo,

  • @AriBCantor
    @AriBCantor 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    TCS Team: Bravo on another superb, subjective, and informative camera review. I'm on the fence regarding the new M (240), and you raised some excellent points that any potential buyer should ponder. I'd love to hear your thoughts regarding the new grip and the EVF (same as the X2). In addition, did you experience any software/firmware issues as this is a new generation for Leica. Thanks, and please keep up the outstanding work!

  • @deepspacechris
    @deepspacechris 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can understand your opinion, its just that as soon as I got used to the 50 'lux asph it was hard to use anything else.

  • @QuickQuips
    @QuickQuips 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    He's filming the D7100 review today. He might compare it with Pentax and Canon's offerings.
    Liked this review. Any words about the abysmal DxO sensor results?

  • @TheCameraStoreTV
    @TheCameraStoreTV  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agreed.

  • @tvurk
    @tvurk 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You guys deserve 10x more subscribers for sure, keep up making these awesome reviews!

  • @louiseducator
    @louiseducator 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've gotta ask: Leica M versus Sigma DP2M? Print quality comparison?

  • @maheshg212
    @maheshg212 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chris, very enjoyable and informative as always. It was very useful to see the comparison between RX1 and M9 too... now I need to find some money to buy this! I tried noctilux beast with M, and man that is a killer combo.

  • @jhsong84
    @jhsong84 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Chris, thanks for the review! Big fan. Just one request. Could you PLEASE do a review on the new Leica M-E as well. I've seen a lot of the M review, but not much on the M-E, and preferably a comparison test between the M-E and the M9. Thanks!

  • @Sam081590
    @Sam081590 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chris!! I'm on the pre-order list for the Leica M and am expecting it very soon. If it arrives, I can't return!!! Need your opinion ASAPPP please T.T. So, i ordered the Leica with the classic 50 Cron. I love how "pure" it is - little gimmicks, however I also saw tests of the RX1 and it is AMAZING in detail. However, the colour seems to have less "character" than the M, and the electronic focusing leaves little to be desired. What's your take!?

  • @TechInspected
    @TechInspected 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow this is much more of an actual pound for pound review. Good job sirs!

  • @kape06111
    @kape06111 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice video. Thank you it was exactly what I asked for in the review of the Fuji x100s and x20. I have a dilemma, Leica M or rx1. Price vs lenses possibility. Any advise?

  • @ChrisPaynePhoto
    @ChrisPaynePhoto 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can still mount your lenses, they work just the same as the mount hasn't changed outside of the coding. You won't be able to see your aperture or what lens you used in your EXIF data but the photos will be there and look awesome.

  • @mp4podcastDOTcom
    @mp4podcastDOTcom 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jordon the only thing I do not like about the Sony NEX-FS700U is that it does not have a coffee mug holder. I think that's a deal breaker for me when filming out in the cold. LOL

  • @skiiizo
    @skiiizo 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much Chris for this nice video.

  • @nachase100
    @nachase100 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    He's referring to the manufacturer of the sensor, CMOSIS, a relatively unknown Belgian sensor manufacturer, not to the sensor type (ie. CMOS).

  • @Othercargo
    @Othercargo 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    would love to see a review with the R lens adapter but great review

  • @temporarymomentary
    @temporarymomentary 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally ! Review with print samples.

  • @JoelKernasenko
    @JoelKernasenko 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was posting as I was watching ;)
    Great Review! LiveView and the ability to use an EV are great additions to the system.

  • @MichaelFoleyPhotography
    @MichaelFoleyPhotography 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Image quality might be better, yes. But the focus on the RX1 is incredibly slow and a rangefinder has many advantages for accurate shooting. Not to mention it's a fixed lens; you are comparing apples to oranges when it comes to what type of camera it is.

  • @lichmd
    @lichmd 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent and well thought out review. The Leica M is enticing for those of us that have M lenses. Unfortunately I find the RX-1 a more interesting camera for street photography, candid portraiture, environmental portraiture and for discreet compact carry. Thanks and keep it up!

  • @MichaelGerrard
    @MichaelGerrard 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent review, as always!

  • @randomgeocacher
    @randomgeocacher 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    From the eoshd interview with Leica I was expecting extraordinary video, it's averaging pixels rather than line skipping. But maybe that's also related to the weirdness you observed, perhaps rolling shutter effects are different in this setup.

  • @killazx9
    @killazx9 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like this video a lot. Good honest opinion and the guts to play it side by side against a camera like the RX1. Most Leica reviewers would immediately put Leica on a different playing field so it does not look bad even when other brands are doing a better job at not even 1/2 of the cost. Leica still makes some great lenses with some very unique image signatures. It may boil down to personal taste but on the camera body department Leica does not seem to be able to win with a 3rd party supplier.

  • @Silverwarhawk
    @Silverwarhawk 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Chris, do you think Fujifilm will ever come out with a Full Frame Digital Rangefinder that just won't trigger a big black hole on bank accounts?

  • @24SEVIN
    @24SEVIN 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    This makes me feel A LOT better about going broke for an RX1 even though they are totally different cameras. I'd still rather have the Leica M mostly bc I can change lenses, but the size of the RX1 is ridiculous. So portable. Great review!

  • @Kalavere
    @Kalavere 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Better than the D600 with ANY lens? Did you really mean that? I don't shoot Nikon but from what I gather it's a decent sensor, paired with a nice prime like the 85mm f/1.4 do you really think the 'M' can outperform it?

  • @oliberrr
    @oliberrr 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    what lens did you use?

  • @kennethgray5447
    @kennethgray5447 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love these TCS reviews!..

  • @grandpa212
    @grandpa212 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    And I know the canon 5d iii has more detail/colours then the 18mp ccd sensor form leica m9 hmmm curious how the leica m240 compares with 5d iii image quality wise

  • @mobozaa
    @mobozaa 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    does anyone else feel like the leica M8 is always left out
    im intereted in getting one but there arent any reviews on youtube

  • @kenvsryu
    @kenvsryu 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is 9:32 mislabeled? Should be M-240?

  • @Othercargo
    @Othercargo 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Review for the new Leica X Vario?

  • @InTheMistPhoto
    @InTheMistPhoto 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looking for something smaller (for stills!) than my DSLR with an optical viewfinder, so I thank you very much for the excellent video from a non-Leica-purist.

  • @paultaylor5513
    @paultaylor5513 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    RX1 has a fixed lens so not really comparable?

  • @niccollsvideo
    @niccollsvideo 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    In terms of clarity and detail I would say yes it's better, and I love the D600. The Leica M also has very pleasing colour and tonal range but the D600 gives better high ISO quality and dynamic range. It's really mostly to do with the physical advantage of leaving out the mirror and gap and not the glass. In the end though a shovel made in Germany and a shovel made in Japan both dig holes.
    Chris @ The Camera Store TV

  • @jonathhanhuynh
    @jonathhanhuynh 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice reviewed and thanks.

  • @crispy1688
    @crispy1688 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review!! Very thorough and honest

  • @greenophotography
    @greenophotography 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Happy with my M9-P and great glass.

  • @TheMegumi1
    @TheMegumi1 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review. I love the style of these.

  • @davidvanchu
    @davidvanchu 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's funny, snow is a staple in The Camera Store TV videos, while sunny and hot days are the most common in DigitalRev.

  • @photoheritage
    @photoheritage 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish you could review Nikon D-7100 against Pentax K-5 II / Pentax K-5 II s
    Please vote up if you think it would be interesting review..

  • @Rationalific
    @Rationalific 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review!
    I know that Leica has its followers, but it seems that nearly every camera they bring out has technology that is a few years behind the competition's and a price that is a few thousand dollars higher than the competition.

  • @MichaelFoleyPhotography
    @MichaelFoleyPhotography 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    What are you talking about? Did you see the images? The M clearly has better image quality in every regard to the M9. Sharpness, color depth, tonal quality, contrast, dynamic range, and iso performance are all improved.

  • @glenconverse1327
    @glenconverse1327 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting review. Thank you so very much.....

  • @barparildar
    @barparildar 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video! Thank you very much!

  • @h3csc
    @h3csc 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I seriously think TCS deserve a lot more attention than they currently have

  • @themajordude
    @themajordude 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent review!

  • @shirokage240z
    @shirokage240z 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The M-E is not a successor, it's the M9 renamed and without the frameline "preview" lever and USB port.

  • @MaartenBlij
    @MaartenBlij 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    From what you have shown today, I think I like the image quality of the RX1 better. Which is strange to me, because I always thought that Leica was the best in it´s market.

  • @kam-ic9pq
    @kam-ic9pq 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Best Leica M review. Thank you.

  • @RodrigoVzq
    @RodrigoVzq 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why would you want to change shutter speed on video, wouldn't it change the fps?

    • @TheCameraStoreTV
      @TheCameraStoreTV  10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You change the shutter speed to influence the look of motion in your video. The standard shutter speed for video is double your frame rate, but you can use faster or slower speeds to make the motion blurrier or jerkier.
      Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

    • @RodrigoVzq
      @RodrigoVzq 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree but wouldn't it change your frame rate?

    • @TheCameraStoreTV
      @TheCameraStoreTV  10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No, you can capture 24 frames per second, exposed at a faster shutter speed, like 1/100th. You could capture the same 24 frames each exposed at 1/50th. The exposure changes, but also the perception on motion.
      Jordan @ The Camera Store TV

    • @RodrigoVzq
      @RodrigoVzq 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      TheCameraStoreTV wow I didn't know that. So what defines how much frames per second I shoot if it is not the shutter?

    • @Blogofspeed
      @Blogofspeed 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Rodrigo Vazquez You can only go as slow as your shutter speed. IE 60 frames per second= 1/60 shutter. The motion starts getting quite different at different speeds. 24fps is movie style movement, and 60fps is HD ultra smooth movement.

  • @StefanSager
    @StefanSager 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super awesome backwards walking!

  • @CorySchadt
    @CorySchadt 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing that the RX1 can compete considering the massive price difference.

  • @212lohs
    @212lohs 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The RX1 isn't part of the NEX series. It's part of the CyberShot series.

  • @rompowertube
    @rompowertube 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review, thank you very much!

  • @Wolkenkeller
    @Wolkenkeller 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are the Colin Farell of photography. Awesome!

  • @cityhunter2501
    @cityhunter2501 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    i wish chris t made the review for the new M or at least shared some of his thoughts or opinion because chris n doesn't seem to like shooting rangefinder other than like a P&S, weird though considering the MM review was nicely done

  • @TheGreatLoco
    @TheGreatLoco 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, it does work fine being quite cold.

  • @mehmetpinarci1456
    @mehmetpinarci1456 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice review .

  • @Magneira
    @Magneira 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its clear that people buy and enjoy leica like a hobby or something like that, not because its good the best one, I don't get or agree with that but hey there a crazy people for everything right?

  • @Axibis
    @Axibis 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Get Last Identity leather Strap for it, they are great...

  • @Federico84
    @Federico84 10 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    i wouldn't walk backwards on the snow holding a leica with one hands. you like to risk :)

  • @nilsfilm
    @nilsfilm 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish they hadn't not done the "video" mode. They should have put as digital/optical switchable finder or optical with digital read-out options as well as the live view.
    Not going to make me switch from m9 as I don't really want to drop that money.