I noticed there were slightly less highs right away, and then you showed that roll off and it makes sense. They are likely trying to prevent some nasty aliasing that tends to poke out around there. When I mix amped guitars I roll off between 12k and 15k anyway, so that isn't a concern at all.
There is some that shows up, but to be honest, slightly rolled off and in a mix, you aren't going to notice. The game changer here is that it does what the Kemper was supposed to do, only it does it almost flawlessly. Kemper kills the highs, and compresses the life out of the mids, destroying the dynamics. This feels real and can't say enough good about IK at this point. If they make Amplitube/Tonex into a pedal, it's game over for everyone else.
Wow so the renderings that leaked were real. I thought they were a mockup. Well they will get my money. Wonder how this will sound through a 100w Katana. Thanks for the headsup!
When you start questioning your own guesses it means the stuff is really good :) We are living in awesome times, when you can copy your valve amp's sound and save on electricity bills! The only thing which I think I heard and it differentiates capture from the real thing is amount of saturation. Real amp sounds a tiny bit more "boosted". Like 1-2 dB of boost before the capture VST can make them undistinguishable. Distorion simply will get as smooth as on the real amp, because of compression
Great testing! And I like some of your licks. Now it’s even better when using the real cab miced and capture entire rig. I could achieve what I always wanted with kemper or AxeFxIII in only 2hours of training the neural network! That’s amazing for complex rig with fuzz or strange drive pedals. ToneX is a revolution. Crazy it cost so few and that they offered to horrible factory presets 😂 I’m not entirely sure it will replace my kemper. Will buy a new guitar with the money 😂
The problem with sound is the phenomena of "accommodation". Much like smell, our ears will become less sensitive on prolonged exposure. The real amp has more beef in the low and high end. The ToneX sacrifices detail on the low and high frequencies. I am listening just through a pair of crappy headphones and can tell the difference immediately. Having said that, I just ordered a ToneX. You just can't beat the price, weight, and convenience for gigging! This is where this unit shines!
Great video. I think that looking for so small differences without flat studio headphones is a bit pointless. Studio monitors cannot show you that specific level of detail you are looking for. But you have a new happy subscriber! Thank you for the great content.
I am really blown away, i will try this tomorrow aswell with my Engl Retro. If this comes anywhere near to this i wouldnt mind tracking with this plugin in the future. How convinient
ToneX is such a game changer. My only complaint is when I load custom IR's they are too quiet. I feel like the interface is a bit thin. need some post gain or something.
First thing I thought in the first A/B was that in a mix, it would be impossible for me to notice any difference. Even in solo, it sounds very, very close... I can hear some slight differences, but nothing that jumps out and reveals which is which. That is unreal. Looking forward for the next video and see how the Kemper/QC do!
Just Wow!!... yeah Man... i can ear that very little difference in the low/low end, but: FIRST: nothing that anyone can notice in a live or recording situation in a mix SECOND: nothing that can't be fixed with a small grain of eq (IF one want to fix it!) THIRD: i like more the TONEX clarity. I think that low/low is someting coming from the signal chain (maybe the CaptorX). Anyway... if the result is this... again WOW! Hope that most of the captured amps in the community are done with the advanced method!
Hi, congratulations on the video, I'm also doing some tests to profile my amp (Laney VC30 combo), but I would like to ask you a question, at minute 3.14 of your video you can see a yellow line but I didn't understand what It's that accessory where it says "amp recording box", can you explain to me what it refers to? It appears when I want to capture stomp and amp together but I don't go ahead because I don't have that accessory which I don't know what it is. Thank you
Nice video Mendel. Very interesting comparison, i don't hear any difference. How are you use ToneX without Noise Gate and we can't hear hiss? And what your level input gain on Apollo for Tonex in percent?
I added a noise gate while editing this video in Davinci Resolve, but the noise gate was set very, very low so each squeak would get through. Input lvl was lowest as possible on my interface but I did up the gain on Cubase by 3 db or so to match the real amp.
Great video, thank you! I have Tonex from 2 weeks and I use it as plug in of Cubase. Do you know how to send program change messages from cubase to Tonex? Many thanks!
Really close - I’m curious to hear the shootout vs the rest. Especially considering the price difference. I’d be curious to compare a micd source as opposed to the torpedo, or perhaps using a different load box. Used to be a torpedo user before I switched to st rock and the difference is night and day.
Yes you can! Except for time based pedals like reverb, delay or Chorus and Flanger. But let's say you got your favorite studio tone with eq you can capture that.
The only thing I really hear is that the ToneX sounds darker than the real amp. There are times when it sounds completely identical to my ears, granted I'm not in the room to hear it, but on the youtube video there are times where it sounds scary close.
Very close, to me it sounds like tone x has a little bit more content in the upper mids maybe? just a tinny bit fatter in those frequencies. Not that it really matters for its intended purpose.
Hey. Great video thanks! Why you didnt capture the amp with cabinet as well? I always found that real cabinet with the real amp is more difficult to capture than only amp. Cabinet adds movement, sustain and all the nice things.
2 reason: 1. In my experience it’s the opposite, making a capture with cab is easier for an device/plugin. That’s also the reason advanced mode is actually meant for Direct Amp captures. Adding a cab sort of “masks” the in-depth nuances of an real amp. 2. As an mixing mastering engineer flexibility is important to me, I rather have the advanced capture of a direct amp and having the possibility to add an cab later then to have it “baked in”. Having that said there’s nothing wrong with captures + cab, I just prefer only the amp.
@@Mendelian Opposite experience here. Even in Ola Eglund video where he did Tonex capture of the real amp/cab/mic - it is easier to hear the difference because cabinet and the mic also add something special thats not 100% simulatable, so the difference gets bigger imho. When comparing capture and the real amp through the identical IR, it is more difficult to hear the difference. (Of course it is nice to have an option to use different IRs at the mixing stage)
I actually really appreciate the no cab approach for flexibility and tbh that was what made me so excited for ToneX. Although I'm kinda bummed to see great captures like this drowned out by presets with cabs shitty cans on ToneNet...
13:03 i can hear difference on my lap top speakers ....EQ without subs or eliminate certain low or upper frequencys to hear better ....or swipe with boosted region across frequency spectrum to listen in only certain elevetaed spectrum if u want to detect it ...but its real nice imitation, average listener cant notice difference at all
its really really close..if it was a little more rich in harmonics (like adding more gain or a plugin like saturn fabfilter)...and then its perfect in capturing! ...and...some updates with some other things of Tonex!!! My other complain is that Tonex can't sound good when I load in it IRs or use an IR plugin!! what do you use for IR and how?? wow...wait ...I just tested your capture with some IRs loaded in Tonex and its the first capture that doesn't sound thin, it sounds enough properly....I don't get it!!!
Whan Amplitube first announced ToneX i was highly sceptical it would be any good, but it's proving to be a bit of a game changer. I'd never be able to tell the difference in a mix or not A/B'd solo. I did hear a difference, but very minor. To my ears, ToneX was darker and less sparkly. Held notes sounded just the same, but initial attack, particularly on chugs had more bite to it on the real deal. Have you considered recording a dry track, then doing a phase invert on one of them to reveal where they differ?
Why is my tonex1 so mediocre i am very dissapointed with the sound .....the thing is playing with a speaker is so much better than via microphone on headphones, that last one is what tonex is emulating......can never be the same experience ❤
In a blind test, absolutely not possible to hear a difference, but if you concentrate on the low end / low mids (maybe between 120 and 280 Hz) there is something that feels more like an amp, because it is "rounder / fuller". This is the only real difference you could hear, if you know it.
I look at it this way.... This thing isnt too expensive, and would be a nice addition to a home studio even just for reamping purposes. But what is really attractive is this..... I can capture all of my Tube Amps, and get an accurate representation..... Then, when writing/recording I will use the plugin to do the majority of the labor on a scratch track. Once the song is complete and ready for the final recording I will then use the real Amp..... Less use on Tubes being that the cost is up! Can also capture Amps that friends have as well.
Get the STEALTH TONEX Pack here www.drumsandtones.com/product/the-stealth-tonex-pack/
It’s definitely a game changer! Sounds amazing! I find the ones people are doing on ToneNet are way better than what came with it. Great video!
I noticed there were slightly less highs right away, and then you showed that roll off and it makes sense. They are likely trying to prevent some nasty aliasing that tends to poke out around there. When I mix amped guitars I roll off between 12k and 15k anyway, so that isn't a concern at all.
There is some that shows up, but to be honest, slightly rolled off and in a mix, you aren't going to notice. The game changer here is that it does what the Kemper was supposed to do, only it does it almost flawlessly. Kemper kills the highs, and compresses the life out of the mids, destroying the dynamics. This feels real and can't say enough good about IK at this point. If they make Amplitube/Tonex into a pedal, it's game over for everyone else.
@@lorenmorgan1931 welp they just did! Lol
@@jarredbaca8112 Did I miss something? lol
Wow so the renderings that leaked were real. I thought they were a mockup. Well they will get my money. Wonder how this will sound through a 100w Katana. Thanks for the headsup!
my opinion in the mix difference will not matter.But if you fell like it was an amp this is the most important factor to me.
When you start questioning your own guesses it means the stuff is really good :) We are living in awesome times, when you can copy your valve amp's sound and save on electricity bills!
The only thing which I think I heard and it differentiates capture from the real thing is amount of saturation. Real amp sounds a tiny bit more "boosted". Like 1-2 dB of boost before the capture VST can make them undistinguishable. Distorion simply will get as smooth as on the real amp, because of compression
Great testing! And I like some of your licks.
Now it’s even better when using the real cab miced and capture entire rig. I could achieve what I always wanted with kemper or AxeFxIII in only 2hours of training the neural network!
That’s amazing for complex rig with fuzz or strange drive pedals.
ToneX is a revolution. Crazy it cost so few and that they offered to horrible factory presets 😂
I’m not entirely sure it will replace my kemper. Will buy a new guitar with the money 😂
The problem with sound is the phenomena of "accommodation". Much like smell, our ears will become less sensitive on prolonged exposure. The real amp has more beef in the low and high end. The ToneX sacrifices detail on the low and high frequencies. I am listening just through a pair of crappy headphones and can tell the difference immediately. Having said that, I just ordered a ToneX. You just can't beat the price, weight, and convenience for gigging! This is where this unit shines!
Very very slight change in the lows but nothing that's not tweakable. Great work by ikmm.
I use the Duncan Powerstage with Tonex, and i use the EQ in it, just a tiny bit of Bass and Presence up and i think i got it
ToneX is AMAZING! I loved Amplitude but once ToneX was released it blew Amplitude out of the water.
Wow that's crazy man, if you tweak the highs a little bit , I mean very little you would have a real hard time noticing,
Great video. I think that looking for so small differences without flat studio headphones is a bit pointless. Studio monitors cannot show you that specific level of detail you are looking for. But you have a new happy subscriber! Thank you for the great content.
How close did it get with the real amp in your opinion? Let me know in the comments!
I am really blown away, i will try this tomorrow aswell with my Engl Retro. If this comes anywhere near to this i wouldnt mind tracking with this plugin in the future. How convinient
ToneX is such a game changer. My only complaint is when I load custom IR's they are too quiet. I feel like the interface is a bit thin. need some post gain or something.
First thing I thought in the first A/B was that in a mix, it would be impossible for me to notice any difference. Even in solo, it sounds very, very close... I can hear some slight differences, but nothing that jumps out and reveals which is which. That is unreal. Looking forward for the next video and see how the Kemper/QC do!
interesting how they are so close and really the feel and 👌👌
I feel like the ToneX captures tend to be a tad darker than the original but that's a very small difference.
Could be due to the issue at 10:56, but I didn’t notice it while playing.
@@Mendelian Without A/B-ing them I probably wouldn't be able to tell.
YIp I noticed that as well...But I'm just thinking a little bit more EQ on the toneX amp and it would be super super close.
does the software sound good without the pedal thanks great demo
What are you listening to them on in the room? 1x12? 4x12? 8x12? Gonna be hard to hear that over drums in the room or on stage live at a gig.
Just Wow!!... yeah Man... i can ear that very little difference in the low/low end, but:
FIRST: nothing that anyone can notice in a live or recording situation in a mix
SECOND: nothing that can't be fixed with a small grain of eq (IF one want to fix it!)
THIRD: i like more the TONEX clarity. I think that low/low is someting coming from the signal chain (maybe the CaptorX).
Anyway... if the result is this... again WOW!
Hope that most of the captured amps in the community are done with the advanced method!
Hi, congratulations on the video, I'm also doing some tests to profile my amp (Laney VC30 combo), but I would like to ask you a question, at minute 3.14 of your video you can see a yellow line but I didn't understand what It's that accessory where it says "amp recording box", can you explain to me what it refers to? It appears when I want to capture stomp and amp together but I don't go ahead because I don't have that accessory which I don't know what it is. Thank you
Okay... okay... shit just got real
Nice video Mendel. Very interesting comparison, i don't hear any difference. How are you use ToneX without Noise Gate and we can't hear hiss? And what your level input gain on Apollo for Tonex in percent?
I added a noise gate while editing this video in Davinci Resolve, but the noise gate was set very, very low so each squeak would get through. Input lvl was lowest as possible on my interface but I did up the gain on Cubase by 3 db or so to match the real amp.
That extra High end on the real amp could be causing aliasing which can manifest itself in low end noise.
The amp sounds better, deeper, it's close though. A better Reactive Load would probably make a difference, the Captor X is not that good.
Captor X isnt that good? Really?
Both were using the Captor x, so it had no influence on the discrepancy
Great video, thank you! I have Tonex from 2 weeks and I use it as plug in of Cubase. Do you know how to send program change messages from cubase to Tonex? Many thanks!
Really close - I’m curious to hear the shootout vs the rest. Especially considering the price difference. I’d be curious to compare a micd source as opposed to the torpedo, or perhaps using a different load box. Used to be a torpedo user before I switched to st rock and the difference is night and day.
Is to possible to clone a DAW signal chain? Also, can I clone a hybrid signal chain (pedals through an interface plus the DAW signal chain)? Thanks!
Yes you can! Except for time based pedals like reverb, delay or Chorus and Flanger. But let's say you got your favorite studio tone with eq you can capture that.
@@Mendelian Nice!
Towards the end…. I actually preferred tonex? That’s insane.
The only thing I really hear is that the ToneX sounds darker than the real amp. There are times when it sounds completely identical to my ears, granted I'm not in the room to hear it, but on the youtube video there are times where it sounds scary close.
Very close, to me it sounds like tone x has a little bit more content in the upper mids maybe? just a tinny bit fatter in those frequencies. Not that it really matters for its intended purpose.
There's a pretty clear low mid tightness that's not in the ToneX version. But this is one of the best tests I've seen of the ToneX
Has anyone captured Eric Johnsons rig to see how it does? :-)
Hey. Great video thanks! Why you didnt capture the amp with cabinet as well? I always found that real cabinet with the real amp is more difficult to capture than only amp. Cabinet adds movement, sustain and all the nice things.
2 reason:
1. In my experience it’s the opposite, making a capture with cab is easier for an device/plugin. That’s also the reason advanced mode is actually meant for Direct Amp captures. Adding a cab sort of “masks” the in-depth nuances of an real amp.
2. As an mixing mastering engineer flexibility is important to me, I rather have the advanced capture of a direct amp and having the possibility to add an cab later then to have it “baked in”.
Having that said there’s nothing wrong with captures + cab, I just prefer only the amp.
@@Mendelian Opposite experience here. Even in Ola Eglund video where he did Tonex capture of the real amp/cab/mic - it is easier to hear the difference because cabinet and the mic also add something special thats not 100% simulatable, so the difference gets bigger imho. When comparing capture and the real amp through the identical IR, it is more difficult to hear the difference. (Of course it is nice to have an option to use different IRs at the mixing stage)
I actually really appreciate the no cab approach for flexibility and tbh that was what made me so excited for ToneX. Although I'm kinda bummed to see great captures like this drowned out by presets with cabs shitty cans on ToneNet...
13:03 i can hear difference on my lap top speakers ....EQ without subs or eliminate certain low or upper frequencys to hear better ....or swipe with boosted region across frequency spectrum to listen in only certain elevetaed spectrum if u want to detect it ...but its real nice imitation, average listener cant notice difference at all
The first one is insanely close I can't tell them apart
Just like all the others. Can't quite capture that openness of the amp but very good
I hear a very slight difference but it's less than you get playing the same rig on a different day.
You can hear the difference in the highs very quick
its really really close..if it was a little more rich in harmonics (like adding more gain or a plugin like saturn fabfilter)...and then its perfect in capturing! ...and...some updates with some other things of Tonex!!! My other complain is that Tonex can't sound good when I load in it IRs or use an IR plugin!! what do you use for IR and how?? wow...wait ...I just tested your capture with some IRs loaded in Tonex and its the first capture that doesn't sound thin, it sounds enough properly....I don't get it!!!
hello, where can i download your preset?
www.drumsandtones.com/product/the-stealth-tonex-pack/
The free preset is on ToneNET
Whan Amplitube first announced ToneX i was highly sceptical it would be any good, but it's proving to be a bit of a game changer.
I'd never be able to tell the difference in a mix or not A/B'd solo.
I did hear a difference, but very minor.
To my ears, ToneX was darker and less sparkly. Held notes sounded just the same, but initial attack, particularly on chugs had more bite to it on the real deal.
Have you considered recording a dry track, then doing a phase invert on one of them to reveal where they differ?
Phase inverting has been done on the next video, all is shot; just need to edit everything. Coming soon, results blew me away.
Why is my tonex1 so mediocre i am very dissapointed with the sound .....the thing is playing with a speaker is so much better than via microphone on headphones, that last one is what tonex is emulating......can never be the same experience ❤
ToneX is clearly slighthly carved in the 5K area, but nothing that could be distinguishable in the context of a mix. Impressive.
In a blind test, absolutely not possible to hear a difference, but if you concentrate on the low end / low mids (maybe between 120 and 280 Hz) there is something that feels more like an amp, because it is "rounder / fuller". This is the only real difference you could hear, if you know it.
a tiny bit more upper mid bite on the real thing but they do sound incredibly close, holy shit
for $400 thats amazing.
wauw
Cool. But I'd like to hear Tonex vs an amp with a REAL CAB properly recorded.
Nothing beats Overloud THU imo I’ve tried them all and it’s not close.
Using digital systems to sound just like a real amp? It is illogical to me.
Efficiency
I look at it this way.... This thing isnt too expensive, and would be a nice addition to a home studio even just for reamping purposes. But what is really attractive is this..... I can capture all of my Tube Amps, and get an accurate representation..... Then, when writing/recording I will use the plugin to do the majority of the labor on a scratch track. Once the song is complete and ready for the final recording I will then use the real Amp..... Less use on Tubes being that the cost is up! Can also capture Amps that friends have as well.