That’s why if you’re committed and passionate and draw or practice every single day (or at least try to) just in a short year improvements can be quite substantial.
Hey guys, please go to Marshall's website and email him a thank you note. Tell him what you learned. I'm honored to have him on the show and I learn something new every time I speak to him. He's brilliant.
I was practicing my gesture drawings whilst watching this video and it looks like I've been focusing too much on contour as opposed to fluidity so that's something I need to work on. This was such a great and funny video, I learned a lot ("we're all on varying degrees of suckiness" - wonderfully put lmao). You two are great!
I had that problem to. What I realized is gesture is all about feeling. Not so much copying the exact pose but feeling the movements in it and applying that to paper. Contour and form comes after.
12:10 Proko: good job... just do more. Marshall: ye good yob, just do an few thousand more... enjoy them... Don Le is probably still crying today 7 years later from this video...
i am in a figure drawing class and we actually posed in the same pose as our model for just 30 seconds and it really does help a lot to realize the tension of the body in the certain angles.
+Zoroku Zoroark first. we start by just how we think it should be then we go in depth with landmarks on the body and muscle structure that layout the body to get the atomically correct sketch
@@nightslasher9384 it’s a figure drawing class, the main focus is on posing, anatomy and volume probably do play a role in deciding how the pose looks but they probably do that all at once and focus on the pose instead of doing one first and the other second
Woooo! Marshall! I was very blessed to have him as an instructor at Cal State Fullerton. Amazing and inspiring guy. He's got such a love of art and teaching. Great to see both of you (Stan and Marshall) teamed up on this!
I had learned to draw with those "itchy scratchy" lines, and now it's insanely difficult to stop. I recently got a drawing tablet and it's a lot more obvious because it's a lot harder for me to go over lines with cleaner strokes, and it makes my drawings look super messy
@@clydedejesus8087 It's totally possible. I used to have chicken scratch lines for years. I was convinced I couldn't draw a good, straight, and fast line because I had shaky hands. Then, when trying to prove it to my friend, it turned out that yes, I could. Really, the vast majority of people can, it's genuinely just about trying out. Have the courage to try it out a couple times. It's a matter of breaking a habit. It took a while, it wasnt a night and day difference, but once I proved to myself I could do it once, I started applying it as much as I could.
Woah! Coming from their podcast seeing Stan so young and smooth still felt like a whiplash. Meanwhile Marshall doesn't seem to age, he might be a vampire.
Man I really can apply those advices to my gestures. For example I always do to much of an anatomy details in it instead of observing the gesture and action lines. I hink 30 second gestures will be a must to do. Thank you guys for helping us out! :)
When you discuss slow and fast drawing [ 18:47 ] I remembered something I learned studying the violine: To learn new techniques, you would listen to the music and trying to understand whats happening. You would imagine the feel of it. Then you would look at how it's done by your teacher or some great artist. Then you would break it down to its elements and start really really slowly practicing it. Or sometimes it's the other way around, you start with adagio and start improving towards largo. Might be the same, when you slowly try to draw circles or strait lines? Anyways, as soon as you got the first step correctly for at least 7 times in a row without interruption or struggle, you would speed up a little and do exactly the same: Practice until you calmly master it until you can repeat it fluently for at least 7 times without any mistakes. I always enjoyed that moment, when you say: One more, for certainty. Its the moment, practice starts to make fun. You take a little break (lay down your instrument, take a deep breath, strech, move around a little...). Then you take it into your hands again. You speed up again, same process. If you get stressed by the next tempo, you would go back to the previous setting until you have mastered this tempo without any anxiety. Take a little break and try the next level. As soon as you have found the tempo you want to achieve (thats the advantage of the pencil artist above the violinist, we've got instructions by the composer for the tempo, we need to achieve), you put all the elements together. If musicians read this: I start with the last bit and put the next bit before. Thats the best way to learn a piece until you can play the whole composition from start to finish. Maybe there are some parallels to drawing as well when I will longer think about it. This might sound devastatingly boring and slow. When I grew acustomed to this practice I realized, that this is way faster than overstrain you with too fast and furious and never reaching this honey spot, when you have mastered the techniques and enjoy the artistry. We musicians call it the difference between learning, playing and creating music ;-) Enjoy and good success everyone!
Okay, disregard previous comment. Took a while to realize why there can be no B legs in gesture. This pertains to schematic conceptions or shorthand notes of contour/silhouette, not rhythm. Lucky I watched ALL your videos and paid attention when you clarified this point. You guys are smart!
Thank you for your answer, but i think i explained it wrong. Now i don't mean gesture drawing, i can make gesture on few lines. But when i actually do anatomy drawing and i put the body down, i make numerous lines, usually outlining lines I did before. Like making them more accurate. For example i do "egg" as head, then i go through it, make there basic 3 dimmenssional shapes, make a skull like head with nose, then i put there eyes... and so on, but overcovering makes all look messy and scratchy
Proko, these tutorials have been fantastic. Having this critique session is also invaluable as the talented folks who submitted their drawings have clarified for me the gesture drawing technique. I still have a ways to go. Keep it up!
Th comment Vandruff gave at 15:50 about ghosting in the lines was a really good point. I’ve been trying to figure out how to solve this when I draw. Problem solved, now I still got to get a handle on CSI lines 😬
The images that came up and said 'he did it' look like cave paintings. It is strangely beautiful. Did he accidentally suggest a way to create some 'raw' art... (as in something without refinement)
By the way, I had no idea who Marshall was before this video, but he has a beautiful voice, and a nice demeanor; that's all I need to know I like him :D.
Hey Ahmed, If you want critiques you can email your work to submit@proko.com. I would also recommend joining the figure facebook group and getting critiques there: facebook.com/groups/figuredrawingproko/
Marshall looks like count Dooku. Makes me feel like he's about to cut the paper with a red light saber and say deeply "your art is no match for mine" XD And such talks make me realize it must take years and years to only learn to draw human, and then there are animals, architecture, plants, vehicles etc. So I still don't understand how do 14 years old shrimps draw everything perfect like professionals. Must start at the age of 3 from what Proko teaches and go on til very 14-18-22, and as I understand right, Glen Keane did professional Rescuers animation at 23. Sold his soul to the devil? I just don't see how some people skip all these gestures and even anatomy lessons and just DO stuff...
AS YOU DRAW AND DRAW AND DRAW, YOU LL AKNOWLEDGE (sorry caps on) that drawing is made by principles and certain rules, and when that happen, things tend to get easier and easir with time, so if you spend 10 year learning to draw human, you certainly leraned valuable thing that will make you learn to draw animal in a year, plants in 6 month and so on, the grow is not a direct line, is exponential. as an example, pros, tend to pick on different styles faster than an amateur, because they already have strong fundamental, so a pro manga artist can more easily make a really cool photorealist drawing, than maybe an amateur whos been learning from the begginer in photorealism, is all about knowing the true rules of reality ( anatomy, how stuff works, perpective, basic shapes to complex one, observation, values color...)
Paulo Sousa But how does that account for what RedGallardo said about youngsters (among other people) who have never seen a single tutorial on gesture and anatomy (or in certain cases, skipping it all together) managing to draw pictures with great efficiency?
They certainly are more observers of reality. And lot of experimentation happened. So they may not have seen a tutorial or someone teaching. But ended up picking it on their own.
You know, I should try that. I've more or less seen enough Proko vids to at least have the confidence to do so. That, and attempt a little something called "on demand learning".
Derek Bouthiller yeahh sometimes one of the big mistakes we make, is watch tutorials all day, and never truely experimenting, i am a newbie myself to drawing, but i tend to see that, when i have a period where i draw, draw draw, altough i may begin sloppy, over time i manage to get things i want done, i remenber i struggled a lot about painting metal, and seen thousand of tuts, on it, when i began painting, the metal looked horrible, despite all the knowledge i had, but then as i continued, trying and trying, i suddenly came out, and i didnt even know how, the knowledge i had was aplyed, and it came out great, so it shows, the more you do it, the better you become, even if you error a thousand times, you learn from it,
Really useful to see these critiques, what an amazing resource your channel is. I have a question though about the use of a time limit for this gesture practice; is it more to prevent over thinking, or to prevent over drawing? What I mean is could you spend a minute or so just analyzing the pose and then take 30 seconds to draw it? How about unlimited time and just limit the number of strokes allowed? Would this be useful or is it important to force yourself to think and analyze quickly as well?
Hmm actually animators usually learn to be very fluid when doing gestures, maybe in the final stuff not as much because of the precision needed but yeah
I think most people who draw just grow out of it as they become more confident in what they are drawing but a tip that helped me is just to draw those scratchy lines very, very lightly and then use them as a guide to go over with more neat, darker lines. :)
I have also heard that trying to draw with your elbow while keeping the wrist stiff helps, but that's what I've heard and I have yet to successfully accomplish it myself. You are correct, old habits do die hard, so that is my next thing to work on:)
i have the same issue. I learned from this video to try 'ghosting' your lines before you put them down. Sort of like how a golfer does practice swings before he hits the ball, do practice lines and visualize where that line will be and then make the line. I'm going to be doing life drawing tonight and I'll be trying out this technique tonight :D oh and try to use your entire arm+shoulder to draw lines, not just moving your wrist.
Quarm Yup, even then it's hard to break a habit. But, drawing with my elbow and shoulder is slowly becoming a lot more natural. I find I go back to old habits when I'm not feeling confident about what I'm drawing. But, my confidence is getting better and I am combatting my bad habits.
The way I am working on it, is by forcing myself into a limit of lines I can use in every sketch. If the line that turns out isn't perfect, I'm just gonna deal with it and try to build off it the best way I can, hoping the next drawing turns out better. This is especially important if you're drawing digitally (on a tablet) more than with traditional media, I believe. At least I'm struggling with this a lot.
I think doing it in 5 lines is fine. Some poses can't be done, but by going through that you'll get a sense for how much you can get out of 5 lines and what really is impossible.
I always feel like it's a bit silly when nude models are censored when talking about gesture drawing and art in general. But if it's because of some youtube policy, then I get why I guess.
Hi I could not draw proper till I watched your video thanks so much, It has made me a happy person A big hug from a pore person when I have money I will by your vid even though Im drawing now you helped me so much
very good, +Proko but hehheeh I have to say... I do not agree with your comment on line economy while doing the gesture because, take Steve Huston for example, he uses several lines while sketching and in the process of putting down the faint multiple lines he is thinking about the volumes and next game plan to complete the gesture. That being said, I must say you inspire me so much.. Ive been trying to keep my lines clean like you do. Thanks for the inspiration!
as an artist i can say that ciritcs like that are totally ok, but this is not the way to improve. i know, that, that is the way to destroy your joy, and yeah that is the most important thing in working as an artist. when trying to get better you should be free like a child,and you know that every eye (even that of an non artist!!!) can see wrong proportions immediately. there are no "experts" needed, cause you are your very best critic.. and your way to critic your work is bringing you to rome..
really good video. Over the past few years I've gotten so wrapped up into portraits, but after watching a few of your videos, i think I'm going to get back into gesture drawing
I wish the people on the Facebook group could critique like this. Everyone who criticizes my drawings have none of their own posted. It’s like they joined just to bash others. 🤡’s
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Its so funny watching a video that precedes the podcast by 6 years and how different the dynamic between Stan and Marshall is now.
Exactly what I was thinking! I was like, gosh they're stiff and awkward I comparison to today... especially Marshall.
That's the first thing I noticed😅
Even now it's still fun watching these videos
"Good job. Just a FEW THOUSAND more."
"Enjoy them". Said the drawing wizard level 9000
yup, thats what practice is all about :)
If you do only 10 a day, then a year of practice is 3560
That’s why if you’re committed and passionate and draw or practice every single day (or at least try to) just in a short year improvements can be quite substantial.
Enjoy them lol like evil hahaha
Hey guys, please go to Marshall's website and email him a thank you note. Tell him what you learned. I'm honored to have him on the show and I learn something new every time I speak to him. He's brilliant.
Yeah
Done
I was practicing my gesture drawings whilst watching this video and it looks like I've been focusing too much on contour as opposed to fluidity so that's something I need to work on. This was such a great and funny video, I learned a lot ("we're all on varying degrees of suckiness" - wonderfully put lmao). You two are great!
I had that problem to. What I realized is gesture is all about feeling. Not so much copying the exact pose but feeling the movements in it and applying that to paper. Contour and form comes after.
12:10 Proko: good job... just do more.
Marshall: ye good yob, just do an few thousand more... enjoy them...
Don Le is probably still crying today 7 years later from this video...
It´s so great to see the beggining of their patnership. Look how shy they are with each other!
You guys are the very best. The combination of invaluable information, charismatic teachers and funny dialog gives my heart joy.
brilliant. Who's the teacher?
i am in a figure drawing class and we actually posed in the same pose as our model for just 30 seconds and it really does help a lot to realize the tension of the body in the certain angles.
Do you guys do Human Anatomy first or second?
+Zoroku Zoroark first. we start by just how we think it should be then we go in depth with landmarks on the body and muscle structure that layout the body to get the atomically correct sketch
+sneakc92 Wait... what?
@@nightslasher9384 they dissect the model I think.
@@nightslasher9384 it’s a figure drawing class, the main focus is on posing, anatomy and volume probably do play a role in deciding how the pose looks but they probably do that all at once and focus on the pose instead of doing one first and the other second
Woooo! Marshall! I was very blessed to have him as an instructor at Cal State Fullerton. Amazing and inspiring guy. He's got such a love of art and teaching. Great to see both of you (Stan and Marshall) teamed up on this!
28:00 OMG!! i will draw more~~Thx! OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!OMG!
You guys are great together, very cool chemistry and very funny. Also I loved the analogies.
3:24 The outtakes were sooo hilarious, too.
Marshall Mathers is such a fantastic instructor. Thank you, Stan, that was an amazing critigue session.
During this figure drawing series, I will accept critiques for each lesson. Some lesson critiques will be combined into one video.
Thank you so much . Your teaching is so clear and crisp . Loadsofblivd n blessings
these two should have a podcast together
Lol they have been on a pod cast together multiple times it’s on TH-cam somewhere I think
@@taraishot100 that's the joke bruh
I had learned to draw with those "itchy scratchy" lines, and now it's insanely difficult to stop. I recently got a drawing tablet and it's a lot more obvious because it's a lot harder for me to go over lines with cleaner strokes, and it makes my drawings look super messy
Yeah, that's one of the main issues I had to overcome to get into digital art and animation. I'm still working on it but it's coming along well.
did you fix your chicken scratch yet?
Same fam
It has been 5 years, I'm curious if you have fixed it so I know if I stand a chance LOL
@@clydedejesus8087
It's totally possible. I used to have chicken scratch lines for years. I was convinced I couldn't draw a good, straight, and fast line because I had shaky hands. Then, when trying to prove it to my friend, it turned out that yes, I could. Really, the vast majority of people can, it's genuinely just about trying out. Have the courage to try it out a couple times.
It's a matter of breaking a habit. It took a while, it wasnt a night and day difference,
but once I proved to myself I could do it once, I started applying it as much as I could.
Marshall is such an old man. kinda refreshing tho. i dont have any old man mentors in art. What a legend
Woah! Coming from their podcast seeing Stan so young and smooth still felt like a whiplash. Meanwhile Marshall doesn't seem to age, he might be a vampire.
So where's the broom drawing video Stan? ;)
Im still waiting
@@FinalStand7 We all are.
He did it
@@derp4317 where
I love this guys voice.
+Aj Art sounds like an AI voice google would make
Lol this person has been damaged
Man I really can apply those advices to my gestures. For example I always do to much of an anatomy details in it instead of observing the gesture and action lines. I hink 30 second gestures will be a must to do. Thank you guys for helping us out! :)
Thanks for putting up all these great videos. Love all your tutorials, wish I can afford them all soon!
Hi Stan! So much fun to watch your videos. Loved this one. Please do more of this critic type with diferent topics, it is very helpful. Thanks!
When you discuss slow and fast drawing [ 18:47 ] I remembered something I learned studying the violine:
To learn new techniques, you would listen to the music and trying to understand whats happening. You would imagine the feel of it. Then you would look at how it's done by your teacher or some great artist. Then you would break it down to its elements and start really really slowly practicing it. Or sometimes it's the other way around, you start with adagio and start improving towards largo. Might be the same, when you slowly try to draw circles or strait lines?
Anyways, as soon as you got the first step correctly for at least 7 times in a row without interruption or struggle, you would speed up a little and do exactly the same: Practice until you calmly master it until you can repeat it fluently for at least 7 times without any mistakes. I always enjoyed that moment, when you say: One more, for certainty. Its the moment, practice starts to make fun.
You take a little break (lay down your instrument, take a deep breath, strech, move around a little...). Then you take it into your hands again. You speed up again, same process. If you get stressed by the next tempo, you would go back to the previous setting until you have mastered this tempo without any anxiety. Take a little break and try the next level.
As soon as you have found the tempo you want to achieve (thats the advantage of the pencil artist above the violinist, we've got instructions by the composer for the tempo, we need to achieve), you put all the elements together. If musicians read this: I start with the last bit and put the next bit before. Thats the best way to learn a piece until you can play the whole composition from start to finish. Maybe there are some parallels to drawing as well when I will longer think about it.
This might sound devastatingly boring and slow. When I grew acustomed to this practice I realized, that this is way faster than overstrain you with too fast and furious and never reaching this honey spot, when you have mastered the techniques and enjoy the artistry. We musicians call it the difference between learning, playing and creating music ;-)
Enjoy and good success everyone!
This is amazing! Thanks for writing it all! I’m going to try this in my next practice session!
@@ayeshamo_ 💙
Okay, disregard previous comment. Took a while to realize why there can be no B legs in gesture. This pertains to schematic conceptions or shorthand notes of contour/silhouette, not rhythm. Lucky I watched ALL your videos and paid attention when you clarified this point. You guys are smart!
Thank you for your answer, but i think i explained it wrong. Now i don't mean gesture drawing, i can make gesture on few lines. But when i actually do anatomy drawing and i put the body down, i make numerous lines, usually outlining lines I did before. Like making them more accurate. For example i do "egg" as head, then i go through it, make there basic 3 dimmenssional shapes, make a skull like head with nose, then i put there eyes... and so on, but overcovering makes all look messy and scratchy
Proko, these tutorials have been fantastic. Having this critique session is also invaluable as the talented folks who submitted their drawings have clarified for me the gesture drawing technique. I still have a ways to go. Keep it up!
Th comment Vandruff gave at 15:50 about ghosting in the lines was a really good point. I’ve been trying to figure out how to solve this when I draw. Problem solved, now I still got to get a handle on CSI lines 😬
Marshall looks like Steve Jobs's body double
Every time you mess up a drawing, just remember that big-shoulder Ron is watching you
The images that came up and said 'he did it' look like cave paintings. It is strangely beautiful.
Did he accidentally suggest a way to create some 'raw' art... (as in something without refinement)
You should invite more renowned artists.
Why did Don not draw the black squares on the model ? LOL
because he probably bought the figure drawing fundementals course and those videos are un cencored.
By the way, I had no idea who Marshall was before this video, but he has a beautiful voice, and a nice demeanor; that's all I need to know I like him :D.
even if Ron's gesture drawings arent to your liking you gotta respect his gains.
Yup! Hides charcoal stains... And it's the Proko dress code.
I'm just finished watching series about perspective, and after that it's realy funny to hear his voice with changed face )
Guys this Video Was GREAT And i have learned alot really thanks ..
but i need to know how to send proko my Gesture drawings ?? anyone can help me ?
You can just identify him on facebook with @stanprokopenko, or send him a message
+John Doe (Androphobe) thanks alot john much appreciated mate..
Hey Ahmed, If you want critiques you can email your work to submit@proko.com. I would also recommend joining the figure facebook group and getting critiques there: facebook.com/groups/figuredrawingproko/
Thanks stan :-)
Marshall looks like count Dooku. Makes me feel like he's about to cut the paper with a red light saber and say deeply "your art is no match for mine" XD
And such talks make me realize it must take years and years to only learn to draw human, and then there are animals, architecture, plants, vehicles etc. So I still don't understand how do 14 years old shrimps draw everything perfect like professionals. Must start at the age of 3 from what Proko teaches and go on til very 14-18-22, and as I understand right, Glen Keane did professional Rescuers animation at 23. Sold his soul to the devil? I just don't see how some people skip all these gestures and even anatomy lessons and just DO stuff...
AS YOU DRAW AND DRAW AND DRAW, YOU LL AKNOWLEDGE (sorry caps on) that drawing is made by principles and certain rules, and when that happen, things tend to get easier and easir with time, so if you spend 10 year learning to draw human, you certainly leraned valuable thing that will make you learn to draw animal in a year, plants in 6 month and so on, the grow is not a direct line, is exponential.
as an example, pros, tend to pick on different styles faster than an amateur, because they already have strong fundamental, so a pro manga artist can more easily make a really cool photorealist drawing, than maybe an amateur whos been learning from the begginer in photorealism, is all about knowing the true rules of reality ( anatomy, how stuff works, perpective, basic shapes to complex one, observation, values color...)
Paulo Sousa But how does that account for what RedGallardo said about youngsters (among other people) who have never seen a single tutorial on gesture and anatomy (or in certain cases, skipping it all together) managing to draw pictures with great efficiency?
They certainly are more observers of reality. And lot of experimentation happened. So they may not have seen a tutorial or someone teaching. But ended up picking it on their own.
You know, I should try that. I've more or less seen enough Proko vids to at least have the confidence to do so. That, and attempt a little something called "on demand learning".
Derek Bouthiller yeahh sometimes one of the big mistakes we make, is watch tutorials all day, and never truely experimenting, i am a newbie myself to drawing, but i tend to see that, when i have a period where i draw, draw draw, altough i may begin sloppy, over time i manage to get things i want done, i remenber i struggled a lot about painting metal, and seen thousand of tuts, on it, when i began painting, the metal looked horrible, despite all the knowledge i had, but then as i continued, trying and trying, i suddenly came out, and i didnt even know how, the knowledge i had was aplyed, and it came out great, so it shows, the more you do it, the better you become, even if you error a thousand times, you learn from it,
Ronald Schwarzenegger, the not so famous twin brother.
C...S...I thing going! **puts glasses on** YEaahhhhhhhh!
10:30 That tone gave me flashbacks of my school teachers being disappointed in me.
nice video, I've learned a lot, and..
33:54 omg I'm dying, this is the best laugh ever
André Alessi hahahahahahahahahhagagagagaga
Heeewheeeeheeeeheeeehe
Ron will be back. He will have a bunch of questions. And he will want to have them answered immediately!
Yeah never throw shade on James Baxter lol. He knows what he’s doing 😌
Just tossing these out there, conceptart(.)org and Crimson Daggers are both incredibly helpful art communities.
Woah was anyone else watching this with headphones and notice the weird audio channel switch around 21 minutes?
Really useful to see these critiques, what an amazing resource your channel is. I have a question though about the use of a time limit for this gesture practice; is it more to prevent over thinking, or to prevent over drawing? What I mean is could you spend a minute or so just analyzing the pose and then take 30 seconds to draw it? How about unlimited time and just limit the number of strokes allowed? Would this be useful or is it important to force yourself to think and analyze quickly as well?
Because it looks bad. When you look at the best draftsmen their lines are clean and confident. Scratchy lines are not confident.
You're great. Thank you once again!
Hmm actually animators usually learn to be very fluid when doing gestures, maybe in the final stuff not as much because of the precision needed but yeah
Awesome vid any one notice how he seemed to be teaching us as well as proko
this was so much fun and instructive to watch :D
Thank you to those who shared your drawings. I saw so many of the things that I do as mistakes and felt I learned from the great words of advice
MAKE THE BROOM PAINTING ALREADY!!! DO IT DO IT DO IT!!
I love the comments about "stuttering" and using too many lines (and "ghosting" it in); really helpful stuff, thanks.
I loved this video, and it was very insightful. But why wasn't there any girl's artwork critiqued?
I guess they picked the most convenient to critique
10k gestures coming up but no idea what the hell to actually learn from it, just doing it. Should get better cause it's 'just drawing' right.
slowing down best advice
This is the first I've ever heard of Marshall Vandruff, but I love his use of analogies to illustrate his points
another great one stan
thank you. this was great
I laughed so hard when they were talking about the deliberate stiffness of the stickman
Still waiting for the broom painting! ;D
Algun heroe sin capa que tradusca el vídeo en español?
Marshall Vandruff is so calm and articulate. He can properly site other artist and is so laid back that he dose not have any shoes on.
Any tips on how to quit doing "itchy scratchy" lines? It's how I learned to draw and old habits die hard
I think most people who draw just grow out of it as they become more confident in what they are drawing but a tip that helped me is just to draw those scratchy lines very, very lightly and then use them as a guide to go over with more neat, darker lines. :)
I have also heard that trying to draw with your elbow while keeping the wrist stiff helps, but that's what I've heard and I have yet to successfully accomplish it myself. You are correct, old habits do die hard, so that is my next thing to work on:)
i have the same issue. I learned from this video to try 'ghosting' your lines before you put them down. Sort of like how a golfer does practice swings before he hits the ball, do practice lines and visualize where that line will be and then make the line. I'm going to be doing life drawing tonight and I'll be trying out this technique tonight :D
oh and try to use your entire arm+shoulder to draw lines, not just moving your wrist.
Quarm Yup, even then it's hard to break a habit. But, drawing with my elbow and shoulder is slowly becoming a lot more natural. I find I go back to old habits when I'm not feeling confident about what I'm drawing. But, my confidence is getting better and I am combatting my bad habits.
The way I am working on it, is by forcing myself into a limit of lines I can use in every sketch. If the line that turns out isn't perfect, I'm just gonna deal with it and try to build off it the best way I can, hoping the next drawing turns out better. This is especially important if you're drawing digitally (on a tablet) more than with traditional media, I believe. At least I'm struggling with this a lot.
I think doing it in 5 lines is fine. Some poses can't be done, but by going through that you'll get a sense for how much you can get out of 5 lines and what really is impossible.
Gh
17:30 I feel personally attacked
I always feel like it's a bit silly when nude models are censored when talking about gesture drawing and art in general. But if it's because of some youtube policy, then I get why I guess.
Do you take the action/gesture lines from the back or front of the body? Example: front/ thigh of a leg or the back or hamstring of the leg
....I draw scratchily...I love it...sheet
Interesantisimooooo.....Como hariamos los dibujantes de habla hispana obtener tus videos en Eapañol?
Hi I could not draw proper till I watched your video thanks so much, It has made me a happy person A big hug from a pore person when I have money I will by your vid even though Im drawing now you helped me so much
Thank you both so much. The quality of your program is phenomenal. I am looking forward to watching all of them.
Love Marshall!! Amazing teacher! :)
very good, +Proko but hehheeh I have to say... I do not agree with your comment on line economy while doing the gesture because, take Steve Huston for example, he uses several lines while sketching and in the process of putting down the faint multiple lines he is thinking about the volumes and next game plan to complete the gesture. That being said, I must say you inspire me so much.. Ive been trying to keep my lines clean like you do. Thanks for the inspiration!
Love Marshall!! Amazing teacher! :)
Thanks for the vid3o guys you both are awesome!!!
32:18 Marshall, your foot is out of proportion, its too small
This is a great help... But where can I send some of my work.
as an artist i can say that ciritcs like that are totally ok, but this is not the way to improve. i know, that, that is the way to destroy your joy, and yeah that is the most important thing in working as an artist. when trying to get better you should be free like a child,and you know that every eye (even that of an non artist!!!) can see wrong proportions immediately. there are no "experts" needed, cause you are your very best critic.. and your way to critic your work is bringing you to rome..
i wanna become an illustrator 😮
DO IT BRUH
How was your progress? :)
Is Marshall and Stan an Eminem reference?
All these are better than mine 😂
You understand my pain...
I wonder how they will critique yoji shinkawas drawing style. I wanna see their reaction.
inspirations, answers and critiques...that's all i need to keep moving forward...
thanks Stan and Marshall...
Nooo, no tiene subtítulos :'c Vale que tome mi curso de ingles xdd
really good video. Over the past few years I've gotten so wrapped up into portraits, but after watching a few of your videos, i think I'm going to get back into gesture drawing
Awesome, especially the end
how far you two have come
I'm a HUGE Marshal Vandruf fan! He's an amazing dude!!
Marshal is a BOSS!! I just saw him a couple days ago at a presentation with Vance Kovacs and Justin Sweet and he is awesome.
Stan still have the same laugh from 7 years ago 😂
HOLY SHIT ITS FUCKING EMIN... nvm.
I wish the people on the Facebook group could critique like this. Everyone who criticizes my drawings have none of their own posted. It’s like they joined just to bash others. 🤡’s
Marshall looks like the perfect combination of Patrick Stewart and Steve Jobs.
That would be Frank Frazetta.
i love you both! so wish i could have a chat with you! you seem like a real giggle!